Quotes of the day

posted at 10:30 pm on July 12, 2010 by Allahpundit

In a world where the economy was in turmoil and populist anger was percolating, Obama’s suggestion [to introduce a bill on comprehensive immigration reform] looked to McCain more like an invitation to political self-immolation, especially in Arizona, where McCain faced a reelection campaign in 2010 with a volatile electorate sliding toward tea-party politics. The exchange stoked lingering feelings over all that had happened in 2008: the economic collapse that stole his thunder, the bickering in his campaign, the press’s abandoning him, how the choice of Sarah Palin threw his judgment into question. He sees Obama less as the leader of all the people than a man who beat him, with a few lucky breaks. “He’s angry at Obama, at former staff, at his family life, at his fellow Americans,” says a veteran Republican strategist who has worked closely with McCain. “He’s angry.”…

Ironically, both McCain’s opponent and his own supporters agree on one thing: If he wins, he’ll probably morph yet again, a lame-duck senator with nothing to lose, tacking left to reclaim his old mantle as a thorn in his party’s side. It’s what friends like Graham envision for him.

“What I hope will happen is that he’ll be the force against excess and the person who can find that common ground we need to have as a nation. That’s what I hope will happen, and that’s what I expect will happen.”

“Here’s the question for John,” Graham adds. “If he’s asked to support comprehensive immigration reform, does he support it?”

***
I observed that if this conversation about how to resolve tough issues were taking place in 2006, I would likely be having it not with Graham but with his friend and legislative mentor, John McCain. “Totally agree,” he responded. “I mean, I was the wingman, O.K.?” But, he acknowledged, things are different now: “John’s got a primary. He’s got to focus on getting re-elected. I don’t want my friend to get beat.”

I asked whether he was giving McCain a pass on anything risky this year.

“Yeah,” he said.

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Suckers!

TimeTraveler on July 12, 2010 at 10:32 PM

Allahpundit, you are well rested. Welcome back.

portlandon on July 12, 2010 at 10:34 PM

And the voters are falling for it. Graham is telling them the joke’s on them BEFOREHAND, and they’re still going to fall for it.

Jesus.

rightwingyahooo on July 12, 2010 at 10:34 PM

Lindsey Graham, This Year’s Maverick

Lindsey Graham, 2014′s #1 Primary Target

Doughboy on July 12, 2010 at 10:35 PM

Allahpundit, you are well rested. Welcome back.

portlandon on July 12, 2010 at 10:34 PM

Lol, so true. I guess it comes down to if he’s angrier at Obama or the voters?

lizzie beth on July 12, 2010 at 10:37 PM

Rino’s must be feared, just like the liberal Democrats.

mobydutch on July 12, 2010 at 10:38 PM

My friends.

Inanemergencydial on July 12, 2010 at 10:39 PM

A nice tri-fecta here would have been Bill Richardson’s recent interview (? with MSNBC I believe – it was on Newsbusters) where he said twice that (wink wink) you can count on McCain after this re-election nonsense.

Marcus on July 12, 2010 at 10:39 PM

“He’s angry at Obama, at former staff, at his family life, at his fellow Americans,” says a veteran Republican strategist who has worked closely with McCain. “He’s angry.”…

McCain has no one to be angry at but himself. If he was a true leader and had some decent management skills, he would have never lost to a guy with NO experience, NO accomplishments, and NOT ONE significant achievement to his name. Seriously, how do you lose to a guy like that?

Based on the way McCain ran his campaign and how tone deaf he was to what was going on with his staff right in front of his face, does anyone really think he would have been any better than Obama?

We might not have a nightmare Health Care reform under McCain, but it would be close. We might not have over $1T deficit, but it would be close. And does anyone think his immigration reform, cap and tax, etc would look much different from Obama’s? I can’t even say his vengeful activities would be any different, as McCain has 30 years worth of scores to settle.

McCain is Obama, just older and grumpier.

ramrants on July 12, 2010 at 10:40 PM

Where is McCain’s daughter anyway? I guess she’ll be back after the election because she is such a liability.

mobydutch on July 12, 2010 at 10:41 PM

Just spend more money Johnny Mac. We’re made of it.

Mojave Mark on July 12, 2010 at 10:44 PM

If you had a choice today for McCain or Obama as President who is the choice?

McCain/Palin

Obama/Biden

portlandon on July 12, 2010 at 10:45 PM

I have this recurring nightmare that we win the house and possibly the senate and when we finally have the reins the rinos like McCain ,Grahmn, Snowe, Collins and Brown feel all warm and fuzzy and want to just”get along” with the people across the aisle.Trouble is it’s really not a fantasy. You can see as evidenced by the cave on the financial “reform ?” bill today by some of the above. Sickening.

sandee on July 12, 2010 at 10:47 PM

And the voters are falling for it. Graham is telling them the joke’s on them BEFOREHAND, and they’re still going to fall for it.

Jesus.

rightwingyahooo on July 12, 2010 at 10:34 PM

With few exceptions, everyone on this site has fallen for it. Even Sarah Palin. And I don’t mean fallen for McCain’s conservative schtick, but fallen for the GOP as savior. Not happening.

As the old saying goes,

The GOP will betray you.

True_King on July 12, 2010 at 10:48 PM

He sees Obama less as the leader of all the people than a man who beat him, with a few lucky breaks.

A few lucky breaks? Like what? That Obama was lucky enough to have an uninspiring, clueless, old fart who campaigned like a chicken with it’s head cut off for his opponent? Well, I suppose so.

Tav on July 12, 2010 at 10:48 PM

sandee on July 12, 2010 at 10:47 PM
I agree!!!!

mobydutch on July 12, 2010 at 10:49 PM

No more mavericks!!!

cubachi on July 12, 2010 at 10:50 PM

I swear, God is repaying McCain for his time of heroism:
JD Haywire???
The Senator will likely win re-election and it will likely be as you say. Still he may want to be relevant in this new political day, and he’s a better man than that southern fried chicken patooty who thinks he’s a wing.

Randy

williars on July 12, 2010 at 10:50 PM

If you had a choice today for McCain or Obama as President who is the choice?

McCain/Palin

Obama/Biden

portlandon on July 12, 2010 at 10:45 PM
Don’t forget, McCain said that Obama would make a good president. Was that an endorsement or what?

mobydutch on July 12, 2010 at 10:51 PM

McCain is Obama, just older and grumpier and slower.

ramrants on July 12, 2010 at 10:40 PM

Tav on July 12, 2010 at 10:51 PM

If you had a choice today for McCain or Obama as President who is the choice?

McCain/Palin

Obama/Biden

portlandon on July 12, 2010 at 10:45 PM

Obama/Biden, as I rather like how things seem to be shaping up for November, 2010 and maybe November, 2012. If McCain had won the Republican party might well be on it’s McMerry way to irretrievable McRuin.

Tav on July 12, 2010 at 10:55 PM

McCain could do everyone a favor AND RETIRE!

GarandFan on July 12, 2010 at 10:57 PM

Crist-eriffic!

MT on July 12, 2010 at 10:59 PM

Please, America, no more McCain. With “friends” like this …

OldEnglish on July 12, 2010 at 11:00 PM

Where is McCain’s daughter anyway?

Standing in a buffet line somewhere holding a plate.

Cicero43 on July 12, 2010 at 11:01 PM

Where is McCain’s daughter anyway?
mobydutch on July 12, 2010 at 10:41 PM

Allah’s been gone for a week. Meghan is MIA. 1 + 1 = ?

joejm65 on July 12, 2010 at 11:02 PM

“What I hope will happen is that he’ll be the force against excess and the person who can find that common ground we need to have as a nation.

Please tell me how you find common ground with a party that is hell bent on destroying your country Lindsey!!??

katy on July 12, 2010 at 11:02 PM

McCain could do everyone a favor AND RETIRE!

GarandFan on July 12, 2010 at 10:57 PM
I could go for that if he took Lindsey Graham with him.

mobydutch on July 12, 2010 at 11:03 PM

portlandon on July 12, 2010 at 10:45 PM

Mac/Palin…and two weeks after the inauguration Mac suddenly dotters off in a permanent, mumbling haze and the big seat quietly passes to Sarah.

Bishop on July 12, 2010 at 11:03 PM

Where is McCain’s daughter anyway?
mobydutch on July 12, 2010 at 10:41 PM

Allah’s been gone for a week. Meghan is MIA. 1 + 1 = ?

joejm65 on July 12, 2010 at 11:02 PM

She was here earlier. She’s hangin’ with the Jersey Shore crowd. Skoozie or whatever her name is. Meghan had an exclusive.

Marcus on July 12, 2010 at 11:06 PM

Amazing how sympathetic that NYT article was toward Graham. They’ll stab him in the back as soon as he’s presumably re-elected just like he’ll do to us.

shooten on July 12, 2010 at 11:07 PM

“He’s angry at Obama, at former staff, at his family life…

Uh, oh. You think he’s going to throw megmeg under the bus?

Blake on July 12, 2010 at 11:09 PM

it must be nice to be a “progressive” and actually believe your own PR hype that you know how to micromanage a country of 300M people….that you really understand the mechanics of such a system. And the You, Lindsey, can leave your mark.

And have puff pieces written…..the stuff of megalomania

r keller on July 12, 2010 at 11:10 PM

Uh, oh. You think he’s going to throw megmeg under the bus?
Blake on July 12, 2010 at 11:09 PM

No. She can’t fit under a bus.

joejm65 on July 12, 2010 at 11:12 PM

“What I hope will happen is that he’ll be the force against excess and the person who can find that common ground we need to have as a nation. That’s what I hope will happen, and that’s what I expect will happen.”

G.T.F.O.of.H!!!!!!

I’m so over this late 1990′s mealy Republican RINO crap.

Bring on the ideologues!!!!

rickyricardo on July 12, 2010 at 11:12 PM

Allah’s been gone for a week. Meghan is MIA. 1 + 1 = ?

joejm65 on July 12, 2010 at 11:02 PM

Come on, even Allah wouldn’t tap that, would he?

Say it ain’t so!

Laura in Maryland on July 12, 2010 at 11:12 PM

She was here earlier. She’s hangin’ with the Jersey Shore crowd. Skoozie or whatever her name is. Meghan had an exclusive.

Marcus on July 12, 2010 at 11:06 PM

That is a whole lot of stoopit.

Laura in Maryland on July 12, 2010 at 11:16 PM

McCain is a nasty, vengeful little squirt. He spent eight years sticking it to Bush for beating him in 2000.

That McCain would turn around and be “bipartisan” with Obama would be very out of character. He really needs an enemy he can hate, and the Senate GOP caucus just doesn’t give rise to those feelings.

Now that time has passed and Obama has screwed up, McCain can oppose without looking like it is sour grapes But he’s so sour himself it will no doubt come across that way.

Wethal on July 12, 2010 at 11:16 PM

If you had a choice today for McCain or Obama as President who is the choice?

In retrospect, it’s better that Obama and his minions won. If McCain had won, we’d have a half baked “conservative” who’d constantly be selling his supporters out to appeal to the Democrats and the progressive kettle would be boiling over, building on the insane hatred for Bush.

At least now, the deceitful progressive game plan is in view and their access to power has released much of that Bush related steam and momentum(read:fundraising).

rickyricardo on July 12, 2010 at 11:17 PM

One thing about it, Michelle Obama and Lindsey Graham have something against the tea party patriots.

mobydutch on July 12, 2010 at 11:17 PM

No. She can’t fit under a bus.

joejm65 on July 12, 2010 at 11:12 PM

Speaking of that human road bump, what happened to that crappy book she was writing and would never shutup about?

Blake on July 12, 2010 at 11:18 PM

I’ve been saying all along what Graham admitted… as soon as McCain gets re-elected he will become the Republicans biggest nightmare…all of us Republicans and Conservatives…Please AZ spare us!

CCRWM on July 12, 2010 at 11:22 PM

rickyricardo on July 12, 2010 at 11:17 PM

Glenn Beck was right – and I agree with you and Glenn. Remember the grief he took (from Mark Levin for example) when he said it didn’t make a lick of difference who won that election? The country needed a liberal agenda enema.

Marcus on July 12, 2010 at 11:22 PM

Speaking of that human road bump, what happened to that crappy book she was writing and would never shutup about?

Blake on July 12, 2010 at 11:18 PM
I like the human road bump comparison.

mobydutch on July 12, 2010 at 11:24 PM

Face it, Johnny Mac is the master of screwing the Unscrewable Pooch.

Bruno Strozek on July 12, 2010 at 11:27 PM

how the choice of Sarah Palin threw his judgment into question.

What are you? Nuts? That’s one of the few things he did right.

Guardian on July 12, 2010 at 11:28 PM

Glenn Beck was right – and I agree with you and Glenn. Remember the grief he took (from Mark Levin for example) when he said it didn’t make a lick of difference who won that election? The country needed a liberal agenda enema.

Marcus on July 12, 2010 at 11:22 PM
Yes, I remember Levin’s vitriol, and now, Levin is constantly squeeling about how the Republicans may not be prepared for taking the House in November. Why, Levin, why?? If there was so much difference, we would not be concerned.

mobydutch on July 12, 2010 at 11:29 PM

If you had a choice today for McCain or Obama as President who is the choice?

McCain/Palin

Obama/Biden

portlandon on July 12, 2010 at 10:45 PM

I would have preferred Hillary Clinton (yeah, I can’t believe I said it either). But hear me out. Hillary would have been better than Obama and no worse than McCain. If you look at her Senate record, it’s pretty moderate. And if you are being objective, her husband’s record as President was pretty moderate, with some lib stuff thrown in. But he did do some republican-ish stuff. He did balance the budget, reformed welfare, and passed the Defense of Marriage Act. Those are all conservative ideals, not liberal. So I think Hillary would have been Bill Clinton’s 3rd term. And we know he would really be running the show behind the scenes…she’d have to keep him busy so he wouldn’t be chasing skirts. And I think with the way the world is going right now, having a former president on the scene who has been there, done that, made all the mistakes would be a good thing.

I also think by electing Hillary over McCain, it forces Dems to take the war on terror seriously. Since Obama has been elected, we haven’t heard about the horrors of Gitmo, haven’t had any anti-war protest, and Code Pink has all but disappeared. It’s as if the war against terror has been won!! WE WON!!!

We already know all the slime, smut, and shady deals of the Clintons and I think the second time around, they are both older and wiser and we would have less of the scandals than we did the first time around. What can you say about the Clinton’s that hasn’t already been said?

That’s why I would have voted for Hillary had she been the nominee.

ramrants on July 12, 2010 at 11:33 PM

““What I hope will happen is that he’ll be the force against excess and the person who can find that common ground we need to have as a nation.”

No problem Lindsey…

… just name one person from ‘the other side’ that will stand up for the Constitution and the Rule of Law against Obowma.

Take your time…

… I am sure you have plenty to choose from.

(oil covered crickets trying to chirp)

Seven Percent Solution on July 12, 2010 at 11:34 PM

“He’s angry at Obama, at former staff, at his family life, at his fellow Americans,” says a veteran Republican strategist who has worked closely with McCain. “He’s angry.”…

Hey, guess what McLame; we’ve been pretty f-ing angry with you for several years now. Welcome to the party, pal.

Midas on July 12, 2010 at 11:38 PM

There’s an opportunity on 11/2/10 to chop the head off of the Big Tent Moderate Rino wing of the GOP. Change the entire dynamic of the party back rightward again. One who says they can’t support JD Hayworth just doesn’t understand what is at stake here. Total divorcement from reality. DD

Darvin Dowdy on July 12, 2010 at 11:39 PM

“He’s angry at Obama, at former staff, at his family life, at his fellow Americans,” says a veteran Republican strategist who has worked closely with McCain. “He’s angry.”

.

Maverick!!!!

Who is the tall, dark stranger there?
Maverick is the name.
Ridin’ the trail to who knows where,
Luck is his companion,
Gamblin’ is his game.
Smooth as the handle on a gun.
Maverick is the name.
Wild as the wind in Oregon,
Blowin’ up a canyon,
Easier to tame.

Riverboat, ring your bell,
Fare thee well, Annabel.
Luck is the lady that he loves the best.
Natchez to New Orleans
Livin on jacks and queens
Maverick is a legend of the west.

Riverboat, ring your bell,
Fare thee well, Annabel.
Luck is the lady that he loves the best.
Natchez to New Orleans
Livin on jacks and queens
Maverick is a legend of the west.
Maverick is a legend of the west.

mrt721 on July 12, 2010 at 11:40 PM

Hey, guess what McLame; we’ve been pretty f-ing angry with you for several years now. Welcome to the party, pal.

Midas on July 12, 2010 at 11:38 PM
Exactly!!!!

mobydutch on July 12, 2010 at 11:40 PM

(oil covered crickets trying to chirp)

Seven Percent Solution on July 12, 2010 at 11:34 PM

Now that is funny, I may steal that at some point!

bluemarlin on July 12, 2010 at 11:40 PM

We already know all the slime, smut, and shady deals of the Clintons …

ramrants on July 12, 2010 at 11:33 PM

LOL, I don’t think for a second that we know *all* the slime, smut and shady deals of the Clintons. I suspect what we know of is a relatively small percentage.

Midas on July 12, 2010 at 11:40 PM

Think about these angry Rino’s: Bob Bennett, Arlen, Inglis, Crist,……..This is what we have been up against.

mobydutch on July 12, 2010 at 11:44 PM

LOL, I don’t think for a second that we know *all* the slime, smut and shady deals of the Clintons. I suspect what we know of is a relatively small percentage.

Midas on July 12, 2010 at 11:40 PM

Yeah, you’re right. What I should have said was, “we know how slimy, slutty, and shady the Clinton’s are, so there’s no surprise there. We know what we are getting”. That’s probably more accurate.

ramrants on July 12, 2010 at 11:48 PM

Two annoying narcissists, from the ‘right’…

Send the incontinent McCain home, with the little decency left. Good people of AZ, please do the right thing.

Schadenfreude on July 12, 2010 at 11:51 PM

If you had a choice today for McCain or Obama as President who is the choice?

McCain/Palin

Obama/Biden

portlandon on July 12, 2010 at 10:45 PM

I voted for McCain/Palin in Nov 2008 and I would vote for them again. Those that say they would vote for Obama/Biden have some real reality problems.

docdave on July 12, 2010 at 11:53 PM

If he wins, he’ll probably morph yet again, a lame-duck senator with nothing to lose, tacking left to reclaim his old mantle as a thorn in his party’s side.

Why would he do this if he doesn’t have to worry about re-election prospects anymore? I’m not entirely convinced that Mav is all that invested in the left. His presidential prospects are over, he doesn’t have to pander for votes after this election. Maybe, just maybe, the true McCain is a better conservative than some expect. Not saying I would bet money on it, just saying it seems plausible to me.

Besides, I like the idea of having McCain’s authority and fire aimed directly at the President who he holds a personal grudge against.

Caiwyn on July 12, 2010 at 11:58 PM

Oh, I voted for McCain, but he was a disaster. And I don’t have a real reality problem to know that was a fact.

mobydutch on July 12, 2010 at 11:59 PM

The most complicated decision McCain had to face involved his own political Frankenstein monster. Until the fall, McCain wasn’t sure Sarah Palin, his political creation and now a catalyst for the tea party, was going to be politically advantageous for him. When asked by an adviser to reach out to her last summer, McCain growled that �it’s not the right time.� And as her book, Going Rogue, was about to launch in November, it looked like it might be too late. When asked by advisers to recruit her in the fight against Hayworth, McCain complained, �She won’t even return my calls.�

CCRWM on July 13, 2010 at 12:01 AM

That’s because a feud was boiling between Palin and McCain’s former advisers from his presidential campaign. In a conference call the week before the book hit stores, McCain urged former advisers like Steve Schmidt and Nicolle Wallace not to fight Palin in public, fearing a media spectacle would taint his chances. Davis said it would only help her sell more books. Salter, a close friend to Schmidt, urged McCain to show support for his former colleagues in the face of Palin’s allegations. McCain, convinced he needed Palin, was trying to avoid Salter’s calls four days before the book hit stores. �He’s going to yell at me,� he complained to aides.

If I could say one thing to Palin I would say, if the two quotes I’ve used here are true then you’ve done enough…let him go his way… you don’t owe him anything anymore…

CCRWM on July 13, 2010 at 12:05 AM

There’s an opportunity on 11/2/10 to chop the head off of the Big Tent Moderate Rino wing of the GOP. Change the entire dynamic of the party back rightward again. One who says they can’t support JD Hayworth just doesn’t understand what is at stake here. Total divorcement from reality. DD

Darvin Dowdy on July 12, 2010 at 11:39 PM

I’m sorry, but you’re wrong. Hayworth is the same as McCain, they are just bad on different issues. McCain wants to give amnesty to the illegals, but he’s good on spending. Hayworth won’t give amnesty, but he’s a massive pork barrel spender. You replace one rotten apple with another.

The tragedy here is that Arizonans don’t have a good choice here. The state that has Jeff Flake & John Shadegg, and gave the nation Barry Goldwater has a grumpy maverick that will stab anyone in the back to get ahead & a buffoon that spends money like a drunk sailor to choose from. That’s the tragedy here. Hell, Jim Kolbe would be a better choice for the voters of Arizona.

lizzie beth on July 13, 2010 at 12:06 AM

You know, McCain surrounded himself with a terrible staff, and Obama has surrounded himself with a terrible staff.

mobydutch on July 13, 2010 at 12:07 AM

“He’s angry.”…tacking left to reclaim his old mantle as a thorn in his party’s side. It’s what friends like Graham envision for him.

But of course. You always hurt the ones who support you. Right, Rinos?

lorien1973 on July 13, 2010 at 12:10 AM

McCain tried to mess with the Constitution with the McCain-Feingold mess. Then, he constantly used the gang activitiy to undermine Pres. Bush. Finally, he said that Obama would make a good president. When is enough, enough?

mobydutch on July 13, 2010 at 12:11 AM

has a grumpy maverick that will stab anyone in the back to get ahead & a buffoon that spends money like a drunk sailor to choose from

What it comes down to is who’s likely to go to the Senate and continue their past bad behavior. Hayworth could admit he’s an “alcoholic” spender and the people of Az could put him on a short leash.

Marcus on July 13, 2010 at 12:13 AM

“What I hope will happen is that he’ll be the force against excess and the person who can find that common ground we need to have as a nation. That’s what I hope will happen, and that’s what I expect will happen.”

I just…can’t…wait! to see the look on this idiots face when he realizes he’s going to get primaried…it’s just going to be priceless. And he will lose. He’s just way too stupid to realize any of this yet. And that makes it that much sweeter.

AUINSC on July 13, 2010 at 12:13 AM

Oh, I almost forgot, McCain considered switching to the Democrat Party so he could run as the vice president with Kerry.

mobydutch on July 13, 2010 at 12:15 AM

Plus, why wouldn’t McCain be angry at all of us Hispanics that didn’t vote for him even though he went to the mat for them?

lizzie beth on July 13, 2010 at 12:17 AM

Second look at Ron Paul?/skittering away.

OldEnglish on July 13, 2010 at 12:19 AM

how the choice of Sarah Palin threw his judgment into question.

By whom? His friends in the media?

SouthernGent on July 13, 2010 at 12:21 AM

The tragedy here is that Arizonans don’t have a good choice here. The state that has Jeff Flake & John Shadegg, and gave the nation Barry Goldwater has a grumpy maverick that will stab anyone in the back to get ahead & a buffoon that spends money like a drunk sailor to choose from. That’s the tragedy here. Hell, Jim Kolbe would be a better choice for the voters of Arizona.

lizzie beth on July 13, 2010 at 12:06 AM

+1 You nailed it. God, I hope this doesn’t happen to us in 2012.

AUINSC on July 13, 2010 at 12:22 AM

Totally agree,” he responded. “I mean, I was the wingman, O.K.?”
No I think you would be known more as the ass wipe sugar pants Lindsey.
As negative as I can be, I’m not willing to give up yet. I think the era of Mac,Graham,Snowe, trifecta might be coming to an end. One can only hope. Of course now we have little Scott “look at me” Brown from the famous fifth column.

arnold ziffel on July 13, 2010 at 12:32 AM

ramrants on July 12, 2010 at 11:33 PM

I never envisioned the day where I wished HRC was President. She’d have been much less destructive to the country.

Lanceman on July 13, 2010 at 12:45 AM

Of course now we have little Scott “look at me” Brown from the famous fifth column.

arnold ziffel on July 13, 2010 at 12:32 AM
Remember he is just a good ole boy who drives a pick-up.

mobydutch on July 13, 2010 at 12:53 AM

In the past few weeks we have heard from Joe Lieberman, John McCain, Glenn Beck, Bill O’Reilly and others as they bandy ROE about like some badge of sophistication but like the empty suits in the halls of Academia, know nothing about them or their reasons for existence. The politicians take occasion to mention ROE in an effort to assuage the slowly growing conscience of America and to dare suggest to the Parents of deployed troops and the Parents of those who have been sacrificed on the altar of arrogance that they are ‘looking into it’. Make no mistake about it; all of the new flurry of interest in the acronym has been carefully scrutinized for it’s value at the voting booth and media ratings.

It’s Not The Rules of Engagement Stupid; It’s The Counter-Insurgency Strategy!!!

Why is it that lesser men always grab a hold of the least important element of an argument? While we all know that the ROE is getting our Warriors killed, the fact is it is the COIN strategy resurrected by David Petraeus that has demanded the current ROE. They-are-inextricably-linked! You cannot have a conversation that includes discussion about easing the ROE without questioning the validity of the Strategy that bore it.

Every time a congressman or senator asks about the ROE they get the same answer; ‘it is necessary for the successful prosecution of the strategy’.
So why are they not questioning the validity of the Strategy? because they don’t have a clue about the strategy, the military, combat, Afghan culture, Islamic doctrine, COIN or it’s origin, history or purpose. All they know is that the CIC has dictated his Commanders Intent and that men in uniform have been tasked with carrying out whatever it takes to meet that goal. The fact that his intent may be detrimental to the security of our nation or the welfare of our Warriors be damned!

While we continue to watch events degrade even further in Afghanistan, day by day, we now get to watch the newest phase in Washingtonian dance; the introduction of ROE (used to murder our own Warriors) to the lexicon, as a tool to get re-elected. If there is a more evil act a man can be guilty of than using the lives of our Warriors for his own selfish interest please let me know.

Luka on July 13, 2010 at 12:55 AM

I voted for McCain/Palin in Nov 2008 and I would vote for them again. Those that say they would vote for Obama/Biden have some real reality problems.

ditto. No way they would have been as bad. Neither of them are leftists who were brought up thinking America was a force for oppression. They would both support Israel. They would have had strong words for the mullahs the minute Iranians began to pour into the streets and the Norks sank that ship. They wouldn’t have tried to bully Honduras or kissed up to Chavez. McCain is a big government guy who would let the Dem Congress push him around (like it did Bush) but I can’t see him just taking over industries like it’s his perogative. Palin is a capitalist. And they are both honest as politicians go. They would not have brought anything like the Chicago Mafia with them. McCain would actually hold press conferences. Neither of them would badmouth Bush every chance they get or try to undermine our intelligence agencies. Neither would bow to foreign leaders or embarrass themselves on the world stage in general.

No way they would have been half as bad.

YehuditTX on July 13, 2010 at 12:55 AM

Let me edit that a bit. “They would have had strong words for the mullahs the minute Iranians began to pour into the streets and [for the Norks when they] the Norks sank that ship.”

PIMF

YehuditTX on July 13, 2010 at 12:57 AM

This thread reminds me of a bar full of drunk bikers. All it would take to set it off is one smartass.

I’ll be going now.

platypus on July 13, 2010 at 1:01 AM

“I didn’t want to do this,” he says. “But I could tell from the desperate looks of my staff that we had an enormous problem. And that it could come down to lying or losing. I chose lying.”

Really interesting article, Allah, thank you/

Eren on July 13, 2010 at 1:01 AM

platypus on July 13, 2010 at 1:01 AM
Always above the fray, and so intelligent and mature.

mobydutch on July 13, 2010 at 1:04 AM

how the choice of Sarah Palin threw his judgment into question

No, no, no, no, no, no.

His support of shamnesty threw his judgment into question.

His “abandoning” his presidential campaign to rush back to D.C. to vote for TARP threw his judgment into question.

His refusal to attack Teh One on his association with Reverend Wright and Bill Ayers threw his judgment into question.

John the Libertarian on July 13, 2010 at 1:16 AM

I think that McLame chose Palin as his running mate for the same reason that ObaMao chose Biden: to be impeachment proof.

Slowburn on July 13, 2010 at 1:24 AM

What it comes down to is who’s likely to go to the Senate and continue their past bad behavior. Hayworth could admit he’s an “alcoholic” spender and the people of Az could put him on a short leash.

Marcus on July 13, 2010 at 12:13 AM

He gets 6 years, no matter what. McCain claims to have found religion on the border & immigration, how is that different from Hayworth finding it on spending? It’s the same. All I see is a choice between hemlock & cyanide. Both are bad.

Another thing that chaps me about this race, is 8 – I believe – are battling it out for John Shadegg’s seat, he’s retiring. Why could not ONE of them have challenged McCain. Most are unknowns, but this is the year for that type of candidate.

lizzie beth on July 13, 2010 at 1:28 AM

Graham, McCain, Snowe, Collins and Scott Brown all need to go.

Ricohoc on July 13, 2010 at 1:46 AM

I think that McLame chose Palin as his running mate for the same reason that ObaMao chose Biden: to be impeachment proof.

Slowburn on July 13, 2010 at 1:24 AM

That is a very interesting and compelling theory. I think you have something there!

RightXBrigade on July 13, 2010 at 2:24 AM

J.D. Hayworth is not qualified to hold office. He’s a big pork-barrel spender, one of the biggest earmarkers on the GOP side when he was in the House. He was tainted by Abramoff money, which eventually cost him his safe Republican seat, never apologized or returned any of the money, and failed to comply with election laws by not reimbursing Abram for the cost of using Jack’s stadium box for fundraising events. Not to mention he’s nuttier than a fruitcake and prone to say stupid things. Nominating Hayworth would give the Democrats their ONLY chance at a pickup of a seat.
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Now, those planning to unseat Graham in the 2014 primaries had better start saving their pennies now. It will take at least $1-2 million to mount a serious challenge. We have a problem in finding a challenger with a chance of winning, too – probably none of the establishment wing could do it (nor would we want them), and there just aren’t very many “names” in the reform wing. Haley will be finishing her first term as Governor; if she performs reasonably well her reelection would be fairly easy, but if she has a rough time it would make it difficult to switch to the Senate, so either way you can count her out.
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Don’t worry about that, though: raise the money, and if it’s available, we’ll find a worthy challenger to spend it.

Adjoran on July 13, 2010 at 2:32 AM

Majority of Americans lack faith in Obama. Nearly 60 percent of American voters say they lack faith in President Barack Obama, according to a public opinion poll published on Tuesday.

BDU-33 on July 13, 2010 at 2:42 AM

Now, those planning to unseat Graham in the 2014 primaries had better start saving their pennies now. It will take at least $1-2 million to mount a serious challenge. We have a problem in finding a challenger with a chance of winning, too – probably none of the establishment wing could do it (nor would we want them), and there just aren’t very many “names” in the reform wing.
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Don’t worry about that, though: raise the money, and if it’s available, we’ll find a worthy challenger to spend it.

Adjoran on July 13, 2010 at 2:32 AM

What about Tim Scott? He seems like a solid DeMint style conservative. He’d have 4 years under his belt with which to launch a campaign, and if he can win in Charleston, I would think he could win statewide.

lizzie beth on July 13, 2010 at 3:12 AM

I think that McLame chose Palin as his running mate for the same reason that ObaMao chose Biden: to be impeachment proof.

Slowburn on July 13, 2010 at 1:24 AM

That is a very interesting and compelling theory. I think you have something there!

RightXBrigade on July 13, 2010 at 2:24 AM

I should have also said, It was also the best thing he has done for our country, since he got out of the navy.

Slowburn on July 13, 2010 at 3:30 AM

He did balance the budget, reformed welfare, and passed the Defense of Marriage Act. Those are all conservative ideals

And who was running the House at the time?

Ah yes, Newt.

Clinton is a lib, Newt pulled him to the center. He had to go kicking and screaming.

People have short memories, I clearly remember Hillary holding up an insurance card claiming everyone would have one soon.

Clinton would have been better than Obama, but only by a small amount.

gdonovan on July 13, 2010 at 4:19 AM

Here’s the question for John,” Graham adds. “If he’s asked to support comprehensive immigration reform, does he support it?”

The kind of plan that Obama is talking about would make the 2006 plan look downright draconian. Even Krauthammer who calls Obama’s treatment of the border a dereliction of duty, has said that if and when the border is secured there can be some effort made to legalize some of the people here. And Palin herself has said the same sort of thing. So I think there is some difference of opinion here as to what immigration reform entails.

As for McCain morphing once again if he is a lameduck…why would he? For one thing there is little chance of Hayworth beating him, and for another I think he might well be concerned about his own political fortunes.

Terrye on July 13, 2010 at 5:06 AM

this is why i’ll be voting for hayworth come 24Aug

cmsinaz on July 13, 2010 at 6:07 AM

McCain, convinced he needed Palin, was trying to avoid Salter’s calls four days before the book hit stores. �He’s going to yell at me,� he complained to aides.

What a sad end to the man who used to basically tell the North Vietnamese to F U, and took the consequences.

Wethal on July 13, 2010 at 6:11 AM

OT: apparently the new drilling will prevail in court? via morning joe….

ugh

cmsinaz on July 13, 2010 at 6:11 AM

Terrye on July 13, 2010 at 5:06 AM

I think he will revert back to his old ways because this maybe his last hurrah and he’s going to do it his way…

cmsinaz on July 13, 2010 at 6:13 AM

Why is John McCain still a senator from Arizona? Because these are the same people who voted for Crappy Nappy as a two-term governor.

John McCain is the worst sort of RINO. I wish there were some way JD Hayworth could retire John to Sun City.

BTW: I’m still confused. In the summer of 2007, John McCain’s campaign for president was declared DEAD. Then, in 2008, he became the nominee for the GOP. How did that happen?

Timothy S. Carlson on July 13, 2010 at 6:20 AM

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