Gallup: Half of Americans oppose DoJ lawsuit against AZ
posted at 9:30 am on July 9, 2010 by Ed Morrissey
Actually, I’m a little surprised that the numbers found by Gallup in its national survey were this close. Fifty percent of Americans oppose the lawsuit brought by the Department of Justice against Arizona over its immigration-enforcement law, while 33% support it. If the Obama administration finds itself encouraged at all to be within 17 on this question, though, the internals should thoroughly depress them, emphasis mine:
Americans’ initial reactions to the U.S. Justice Department lawsuit against Arizona’s new illegal immigration law are more negative than positive, by a 50% to 33% margin. …
Emotions run high on both sides of the issue. The substantial majority of those in favor and those opposed to the lawsuit say they feel strongly about their position.
The margin of opposition to the lawsuit is highest among those who are following news about the law most closely.
Got that? The most politically engaged are the ones opposing the lawsuit. Given the centrality of focus that the Obama administration has given this law over the past three months, this may be the most surprising aspect of the survey. After this much effort to use the Arizona law as a way to beat up Republicans and conservatives, it turns out that those following the issue very closely oppose Obama’s efforts by more than 2-1, 64/31. Those following it only somewhat closely oppose it by a 12-point majority, 52/40. And those not following the issue closely … still oppose it by ten points, 36/26.
The issue certainly plays to Obama’s base, with Democrats solidly in favor of the lawsuit — but not as solidly as one might think. Fifty-six percent of Democrats say they support it, with 27% opposing the lawsuit — a rather healthy chunk of Obama’s shrinking base of support. Only 11% of Republicans favor the lawsuit, with 79% opposing it, as one might imagine. Independents reverse the Democratic numbers and oppose it 2-1, 56/27. That doesn’t bode well for Obama’s coalition of independents and Democrats heading into the midterms, especially after the full-court press Obama has given the issue.
Obama hoped to use this issue to split Republicans and garner support from Hispanic and independent voters. Instead, Obama has helped solidify his opposition and distanced himself even further from independent voters. The immigration gambit has completely backfired on Obama, and he has now inadvertently created an American consensus for enforcement and border security that the media can no longer ignore, thanks to Obama’s high-profile attacks on Arizona.
Update: Fixed an error in the first sentence after the excerpt, which should have read “opposing the lawsuit.” Thanks to the commenters and readers who gave me the heads-up.









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Busy bodys who have no wish to be educated are usually the ones who whine the loudest about things they do not understand.
I have this experience with people over agriculture all the time.
Walk a mile in the shoes of those affected & get your $hit straight, liberals, before you go making judgements.
Badger40 on July 9, 2010 at 9:33 AM
All he needs is one person over his 14% to support it…and it becomes a mandate.
right2bright on July 9, 2010 at 9:35 AM
Actually, I’m a little surprised that the numbers found by Gallup in its national survey were this close
…..
Poll of ADULTS.
And they conducted some interviews in Spanish.
Hmmm
artist on July 9, 2010 at 9:36 AM
half of ameriKKKa is RACIST!!!
right4life on July 9, 2010 at 9:36 AM
How do 11% of republicans support the lawsuit? There are Stupid on both sides.
antisocial on July 9, 2010 at 9:37 AM
If Arizona were a border state like Texas then I could see the reasoning in their law but…….
thomasaur on July 9, 2010 at 9:37 AM
So?/Obama
OldEnglish on July 9, 2010 at 9:37 AM
It doesn’t matter what 50% of Americans think when you can count on 100% of the dead and illegal vote, and you know the DOJ won’t prosecute the voter fraud cases.
Disturb the Universe on July 9, 2010 at 9:38 AM
Set up “half-way” houses for illegal immigrants in Beverly Hills (maybe a tent city in their park), put the immigrants on their corners looking for work and see how fast Hollywood decides that illegal immigrants should be vanquished.
right2bright on July 9, 2010 at 9:38 AM
I picture Obama out in the Arizona desert, wandering around like Wile E. Coyote, waiting for his latest shipment from the Acme Company.
Barack H. Obama, Super Genius.
Mr. D on July 9, 2010 at 9:39 AM
That’s not the desert it’s a sand trap.
thomasaur on July 9, 2010 at 9:41 AM
President Obama’s always at his most energetic when he’s gearing up to fight Americans.
BadgerHawk on July 9, 2010 at 9:42 AM
The margin of opposition to the lawsuit is highest among those who are following news about the law most closely.
But who cares about national security when Lindsey Lohan is going to jail and Lebron James is going to Miami???!!!
Tony737 on July 9, 2010 at 9:42 AM
The most frightening part of this is that Obama doesn’t care a bit what the American people think. He does what he wants anyway. Get ready for more.
sandee on July 9, 2010 at 9:44 AM
President Obama’s always at his most energetic when he’s gearing up to fight Americans. – Badger
Yeah, just imagine if he put that much energy into fighting America’s REAL enemies!
Tony737 on July 9, 2010 at 9:45 AM
The Zero relies upon the stupid uninformed of society for his encouragement and upport…
PatriotRider on July 9, 2010 at 9:47 AM
Typo…support
PatriotRider on July 9, 2010 at 9:47 AM
Fighting himself? I’m reminded of the bathroom scene from ‘Liar,Liar’.
thomasaur on July 9, 2010 at 9:47 AM
Keeping the sheeple misinformed or ignorant helps forward one’s agenda. Tyrannical and communist regimes have been using the tactic for centuries.
shick on July 9, 2010 at 9:48 AM
Also known as people who actually go vote in midterms.
forest on July 9, 2010 at 9:48 AM
If Arizona were a border state like Texas then I could see the reasoning in their law but……. – Thomasaurus Rex
Haha but Tom, if we keep letting all these extra people into the country, it might tip over!
Tony737 on July 9, 2010 at 9:48 AM
This looks like a survey of all adults. It would be interesting to see a survey of likely voters.
DamnCat on July 9, 2010 at 9:49 AM
I think that is suppused to read “those most …opposing the lawSUIT” or ‘supporting the law.’.
lizzie beth on July 9, 2010 at 9:52 AM
I think these things always come down to the exact wording of the question. Some conservatives, like Krauthammer, welcome the lawsuit because they are confident that Arizona will win (as am I), and that will help the rest of the states.
But I could be wrong, and I don’t dispute that there are stupid on both sides.
LASue on July 9, 2010 at 9:52 AM
“Wouldn’t it just be easier to redraw the borders? Just let them have the 80 miles along the border, kind of a reverse eminent domain”…Janet Napolitano
right2bright on July 9, 2010 at 9:54 AM
This looks like a survey of all adults. It would be interesting to see a survey of likely voters.
DamnCat on July 9, 2010 at 9:49 AM
Poll of ADULTS.
And they conducted some interviews in Spanish.
For poll of LV’s, see Rasmussen Reports.
As expected, opposition is higher.
artist on July 9, 2010 at 9:54 AM
Those that oppose it are most likely to be voting GOP already and motivated to vote already. Those that support it need a reason to get out and vote in November.
While I disagree with the lawsuit, it makes sense politically for him.
angryed on July 9, 2010 at 9:54 AM
There are some open border Republicans like Meg Whitman.
Oil Can on July 9, 2010 at 9:55 AM
Obama has helped solidify his opposition and distanced himself even further from independent voters.
Just like our reaction to 9/11 shocked al-qeada … our enemies do not understand America.
Our enemies … foreign and domestic.
Tony737 on July 9, 2010 at 9:55 AM
John McCain
Lindsey Graham
David Frum
David Brooks
The entire editorial staff of the WSJ
Lots of “Republicans” want amnesty and open borders in general.
angryed on July 9, 2010 at 9:56 AM
I want the lawsuit…I think it will show the travesty of Obama, the “constitutional scholar”.
What I want, is for this to be expedited through the legal system. No delays, let’s get this done a quickly as possible. Do whatever to take away the political dog and pony show, and get down to how weak of a case this is…and how strong and right Arizona is.
right2bright on July 9, 2010 at 9:57 AM
Is Obama on the right side of any issue these days when it comes to poll numbers? Even with Afghanistan where a lot of conservatives are backing him, the public is starting to favor withdrawal.
Doughboy on July 9, 2010 at 10:00 AM
0bama is once again counting on Americans’ ignorance (and his brilliant smile) for support. The bad news for him is that the American people are a lot more educated now than they were a year and a half ago when his campaign pulled off one of the biggest scams in world history (him being elected President).
All that aside, he’s a pretty poor lawyer. I thought he was supposed to be some sort of Harvard-educated, nobel peace prize winning super genius. He is a joke.
UltimateBob on July 9, 2010 at 10:01 AM
As of 2:35pm, west coast time -July 6th,
Out of a total of 2,234,619 votes –
95.8% YES (2,140,709 votes)
4.2% NO (93,910 votes)
Dr Evil on July 9, 2010 at 10:04 AM
That’s way more than half responding positive in favor of Arizona’s Law, in response by a Liberal Network’s poll, it’s almost unanimous.
Dr Evil on July 9, 2010 at 10:05 AM
I heard a report on Fox News the other day that there is another distinct voting block that opposes the lawsuit as well as amnesty.
Legal immigrants, who went through the proper channels for their citizenship and don’t take kindly to others who want a free pass.
Obama is such an inexperienced, ignorant little twit.
fogw on July 9, 2010 at 10:07 AM
Much like the HealthCare debate the liberals don’t realize when the conversation gets elevated to real life action or laws in writing the reality of what they are talking about rises above the well-tuned rhetoric they use to inflate support for their positions and their proposals become unpopular suddenly. Obama and the liberals con sound like the second coming when their is no voices pointed out things like the numbers of murders and the cost of illegals picked up by American taxpayers. Only at this point does the average person pay attention to the counter arguments and the numbers start to slide. The liberals will never win the debate when the reality point hits that we are talking about ILLEGAL immigration just like it did with Bush & Co.
Conan on July 9, 2010 at 10:11 AM
The U.S. Chamber of Commerce, wants open borders, and they donate $$$ to Republican’s campaigns. If you Google U.S. Chamber of Commerce during the Health Insurance Reform Debate – you can find articles where the progressives are bashing them for their support of Republican candidates.
The Southern Border is not secured because of “Commerce” U.S. Corporations are addicted to CHEAP Mexican labor. They in turn spend their low wages in this country so they are part of the economy – We are a Consumer Based Economy. Remember when George W Bush told us all after 9/11, if we wanted to help, that we should go shopping? Remember when George W Bush was asked about Border security, and he said I am paraphrasing, Sometimes Commerce trumps Security.
U.S. Corporations are way too cozy with our elected officials. Arizona is undergoing high crime but it’s a trade off the politicians and corporations that contribute to their campaigns are willing to make -after all it doesn’t effect them personally does it? But it does effect countless American Citizens Who VOTE.
Meg Whitman – doesn’t see citizens – she sees “laborers”
FIRE CONGRESS
115 Days, 15 hours and 47 Minutes.
Dr Evil on July 9, 2010 at 10:15 AM
The Democrat/liberal/ignorant base never goes materially below 33% on any question.
burt on July 9, 2010 at 10:17 AM
The first thing that needs to be done is to separate Border Security Issue from Immigration Issue. They are two different things.
Dr Evil on July 9, 2010 at 10:18 AM
Yes, but what do the illegals think of the lawsuit? After all, this lawsuit is about them, so their voices should be paramount. National borders are a right-wing construct, anyway. It’s not right-wing for the Mexicans to keep out the gringo, but it is right-wing for the gringo to keep out the Mexican.
All migration these days, illegal or otherwise, goes from areas of high concentration of poverty to areas of low concentration of poverty. That is the principle of osmosis on a human level. This transfer happens until the relative desirability of the two nations i.e., income, crime, political instability – all the things that make one want to abandon their nation – are equalized between the two. That is to say, once America is not one iota more desirable than Mexico is today, that migration pressure will equalize.
Social justice advocates want to equalize that pressure to pay homage to their idea of redistributing wealth and lifestyle to everyone, worldwide, regardless of merit. From those according to their means, to those according to their needs. It begins with the progressive tax system but ultimately is intended as a universal system. And they do this until the two halves of that osmosis procedure are equal. As Churchill said of socialism, it is the equal sharing of misery. To them that would be justice. A strange, disturbing definition of that word.
keep the change on July 9, 2010 at 10:22 AM
The stupid and/or ignorant can always be counted on to vote Democrat. Politics is always about the other 2/3rds.
Mojave Mark on July 9, 2010 at 10:25 AM
It’s already happened in downtown LA. (And coming soon to a town near you!)
LASue on July 9, 2010 at 10:25 AM
“he has now inadvertently created an American consensus for enforcement and border security that the media can no longer ignore”
Oh, trust me – the MSM can, and will, ignore it.
KS Rex on July 9, 2010 at 10:26 AM
But the favored comrades of the hour always share a little less of that miserable burden. Until the purge.
Disturb the Universe on July 9, 2010 at 10:28 AM
I’ll vote for Meg Whitman. But sometimes I wonder if I’m voting for a slow death under these RINO’s.
Maybe CA needs to default so can just start over.
Another question do you want your kids to grow up in CA?
Oil Can on July 9, 2010 at 10:34 AM
not sure why folks keep looking for Obama to give a flying frak about what the polls say when it is abundantly clear he is an ideologue and could care less what Americans think of what he is doing.
VOTE
ginaswo on July 9, 2010 at 10:36 AM
keep the change
totally agree, US is like a steam valve release for Mexico that lets them not take actions needed to fix their economy.
imagine how pixxed native americans are? I mean just sayin’ all this land the Mexicans claim is theirs was invaded by the Spanish in the 17th Century. they were conquering people like we gringos supposedly still do…
I would start a movement were I in a tribe to pushback against them, lol my libness roots appear@!!
ginaswo on July 9, 2010 at 10:38 AM
Oil Can on July 9, 2010 at 10:34 AM
Better Meg than Moonbeam!
Disturb the Universe on July 9, 2010 at 10:38 AM
Won’t surprise me if Barry starts his 2012 campaign in Mexico.
GarandFan on July 9, 2010 at 10:44 AM
While libs are all into building bike paths and walking trails most of them couldn’t walk a mile if their lives depended upon it.
chemman on July 9, 2010 at 10:45 AM
I am surprised they did not include Mexico as part of the polling population…
albill on July 9, 2010 at 10:47 AM
+100
Slight correction is needed. Osmosis is the movement of water across a membrane based on concentration gradients. Unless you consider the border to act as a membrane then I think you want the term diffusion, the movement of particles from areas of high concentration to areas of lower concentration.
chemman on July 9, 2010 at 10:52 AM
I am personally hoping this idiotic lawsuit leads to the dismissal of Eric Holder.
The man has officially proven that he is an absolute incompetent numbskull!
pilamaye on July 9, 2010 at 10:53 AM
“Gallup: Half of Americans oppose DoJ lawsuit against AZ”
That’s all well and good. The problem is that the Community Organizer doesn’t much care what you think.
GFW on July 9, 2010 at 10:57 AM
What do you want to bet that if you check the details of the poll, more than 50% were liberal democRats. Gallup has loaded polls for the sake of making their arguments before and will continue to do so for the sake of their pro-regressive/communist/marxist/socialist/liberal(or whatever their calling themselves this week) agenda.
paratisi on July 9, 2010 at 11:06 AM
I have this experience with creationists and global warming deniers, but those are topics for other threads.
More to the point, if the lawsuit succeeds, would that establish precedent that states cannot criminalize any activity that is illegal under federal law? Will this nullify all the state drug laws, for instance?
hicsuget on July 9, 2010 at 11:16 AM
It would be interesting to see what the polling results would be if Gallup (or any other pollster) had provided the radical Leftist background on Stedman’s Assistant AG who filed the lawsuit, Tony West.
Tony of course is a radical lawyer from Oakland who learned his “craft” from Jaime Gorelick and Janet Reno in the previous “most ethical Administration evah”, and then went on to defend the American Taliban guy.
Del Dolemonte on July 9, 2010 at 11:19 AM
50% + 1 is a win.
66% is a mandate.
BobMbx on July 9, 2010 at 11:22 AM
Could be the result of this group of people being so uninvolved with reality they don’t know if they’re a liberal or a conservative, or what immigration or a lawsuit is.
BobMbx on July 9, 2010 at 11:25 AM
Nah…he’s got plans to kick it off in Venezuela with his new BFF down there.
BobMbx on July 9, 2010 at 11:26 AM
You need a new headline writer.
This one should say ONLY 33% OF AMERICANS SUPPORT OBAMA’S LAWSUIT AGAINST ARIZONA.
Basilsbest on July 9, 2010 at 11:27 AM
This lawsuit is already lost.
If Obama could resist the urge to jawbone on every subject under the sun we could have saved a pile of money.
J_Crater on July 9, 2010 at 11:27 AM
If the majority of Americans don’t want it it’s full speed ahead for Mr. President.
scalleywag on July 9, 2010 at 11:32 AM
AZ taxpayers have to defend multiple challenges to this anti-illegal immigration law. If you can, please help us defray some of the (enormous) costs by contributing to the legal defense fund set up for this purpose by Gov. Jan Brewer. You can donate at http://www.keepazsafe.com. You can donate as little as $5. Every dollar helps!
Support Arizona and defend the rule of law. And to those of you who have already contributed, thanks, on behalf of all law-abiding Arizonans.
AZCoyote on July 9, 2010 at 11:39 AM
Mr. Robert Krentz was not available for comment…
d1carter on July 9, 2010 at 11:55 AM
LASue on July 9, 2010 at 10:25 AM
Agree about Whitman; I often think bankruptcy (or Chris Christie) is the only thing that will save our state. If we were starting out, we wouldn’t raise our kids in SoCal. But it’s too late- they’re in high school and love it here. Unless things dramatically change in the next 5 years, tho, we’ll be leaving once they’re off to college.
LASue on July 9, 2010 at 12:15 PM
Mexico is teaching kids how to duck and cover! This was on the front page of our Phoenix newspaper yesterday:
Mexico’s drug violence leads schools to teach students to dodge bullets
I still remember the monthly air raid drills we had in the early 1960′s,when I was in elementary school and the US feared attack from Russia. I was terrified each time the siren sounded because we never knew if it was practice or the real thing. I can’t imagine the children in Mexico having to dodge bullets and I sure as heck don’t want that here in AZ.
GrannySunni on July 9, 2010 at 12:45 PM
I oppose this massive waste of taxpayer money spent suing Arizona. I also oppose the DOJ double-standard of choosing to file suit against AZ and not the sanctuary cities.
TN Mom on July 9, 2010 at 12:51 PM
try applying this definition.
Osmosis: A gradual, often unconscious process of assimilation or absorption.
Dr Evil on July 9, 2010 at 1:07 PM
Yet another fudged poll. Look msnbc had a poll up and they ended up takingteh page down. it was 94 /6 in favor of the AZ law.
A real and honest poll of citizens who vote would likely show at least 70% favor the AZ law.
dogsoldier on July 9, 2010 at 2:52 PM
Unfortunately, Obama and the Dems have totally recognized that they’re losing the PR battle, and they really don’t care. This is their one opportunity to start ramming legislation through that they’ve dreamed of for decades to turn this country into a socialists’ paradise.
Polls mean nothing to them at this point, I’m afraid. And Obama is merely going through the motions with his public campaigning for Dems who are up for reelection this November. He knows about the behind the scenes scuttlebutt about Lame Duck sessions and passing legislation at the last moment in December before the Dems lose actual control of Congress after swearing in of the new Republican majority in January as a result of the massive landslide wins expected by the GOP.
All Obama has to do is kill time until then, and look like he’s on top of the world. Lots of time for golf and parties, for sure. After November he’s got two more years, and at this point I frankly don’t think he really is too concerned about reelection for himself. He’ll have a fat pension, a blank check for funding his office space and personnel expenses in retirement, thanks to Bill Clinton’s extravagance in setting the precedent, and will probably command a minimum of $100,000 for speaking engagements.
Granted he won’t be able to jet around on Air Force One, but all he as to do, like Bill, is sign up for some type of government sponsored philanthropic endeavors and the gubmint will foot that bill as well. Obama will simply continue with his globe trotting, although at that point it will probably be world-wide, true globe-trotting that will be justified by the philanthropic endeavors. All he has to do, his last year in office, is to play kissy-face with all the people he p****d off in the prior three years, and he’ll have free golf for life as well.
Obama hates the White House. That’s why he practically lives in Air Force One. So I just can’t see him being too dismayed if he doesn’t get reelected since he’ll have a cushy lifestyle regardless of the outcome of the 2012 elections. If you watch his speeches on behalf of the Dems for whom he’s campaigning now, it’s quite clear that Obama is merely going through the motions, paying the Piper for all their support in Congress to-date.
KendraWilder on July 9, 2010 at 3:30 PM
The AZ law is clearly unconstitutional. It matters little if the whole nation supports it. Polls don’t trump the Constitution.
lexhamfox on July 9, 2010 at 3:58 PM
I bet a lot of those people are libertarian leaning conservatives. Some libertarians oppose the law strictly on grounds of constitutionality, like Judge Nepalitano.
The idea that the feds would sue a state is bizarre, it really is.
Terrye on July 9, 2010 at 4:00 PM
Wrong. Already established appellate case law, including a SCOTUS decision are on Arizona’s side.
byteshredder on July 9, 2010 at 5:26 PM
No. The Supreme Court has ruled on this against the state of PA when the state tried to get aliens to register. The ruling is absolutely clear… Immigration is a exclusively federal issue and States can not make their own immigration laws.
It’s not a left or right issue. It is plain as day. The Feds have no choice but to challenge the AZ law. Just ask Judge Napolitano if you don’t believe me.
lexhamfox on July 9, 2010 at 5:52 PM
1. The Feds have selectively chosen not to challenge a wide variety of transgressions, including voter intimidation suits.
2. They didn’t just bring the going through the motions, pro-forma lawsuit that they might have if they wanted to establish a principal but didn’t really object to the law. This law is something they’ve been against since day one! (To coin a phrase…)
massrighty on July 9, 2010 at 8:57 PM
I’m going to assume good faith here, so bear with me.
The only case law I’ve been able to research regarding field preemption had to do with enforcement of the Volstead Act. In every instance, it was states suing the feds instead of the other way around. To the best of my knowledge, it was in these cases that field preemption was established — and that is a good reason for the courts to go forward with this case instead of throwing it out. Field preemption suits by the federal government against the states truly are unprecedented in the history of our Republic.
As for the merits of the case back then, one need only remember the rampant corruption in the local police force in Chicago during the roaring 20′s. Elliot Ness had his autobiography ghostwritten and became quite well-known, but there was nothing about Ness’ situation that was singularly unique. Irrespective of your opinions regarding the Volstead act, corruption at the state and local level of law enforcement was a real and legitimate concern in many states.
Lastly, aside from the obvious and rampant corruption, the states and feds at least professed toward the same end. The question was never whether the Volstead Act would be enforced; the only legally germaine question was which level of law enforcement would enforce it.
That outlines the most important reasons I believe that this case is different, and that the constitutionality of AZ SB 1070 is in fact not a settled question.
gryphon202 on July 10, 2010 at 3:58 AM