Good news: No-doc “liar loans” making a comeback
posted at 2:55 pm on July 8, 2010 by Ed Morrissey
Remember how angry America got in the wake of the housing market collapse about the no-document mortgages bought by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac? The so-called “liar loans,” also known as “NINJAs” (no income, no job or assets) frequently allowed people who shouldn’t have qualified for mortgages to get loans by simply not disclosing their financial position, and then speculate that the equity would increase fast enough to either flip the house on a resale or refinance under better terms. ABC News and Forbes reports that just two years after the collapse, “liar loans” are making a comeback:
Did you think the housing collapse killed off “liar loans”–those infamous bubble-era mortgages for which people were allowed to get creative in portraying their ability to make the payments? Well, they’re back, and that may be a good thing.
All the rage during the peak of the housing boom, these mortgages went by names like “no-doc” (meaning no documentation of income required), “low-doc” or “stated-income” mortgages. In all cases, banks set aside their underwriting standards based on what borrowers could prove they were earning with pay stubs, tax returns and the like. Instead, lenders started trusting borrowers to “forecast” future income and underwrote loans based on those projections (using as a fallback the house itself as collateral).
In the height of the housing boom in 2006 and 2007, low-doc loans accounted for roughly 40% of newly issued mortgages in the U.S., according to mortgage-data firm FirstAmerican CoreLogic. University of Chicago assistant professor Amit Seru says that for subprime loans, the portion exceeded 50%.
Then came the housing collapse, with subprime loan defaults playing a leading role, particularly the low-doc “liar” variety. The delinquency rate for subprime loans reached 39% in early 2009, seven times the rate in 2005, according to LPS Applied Analytics.
So how exactly is a comeback in these loans good news? The loans go primarily to self-employed people of means, such as successful artists, writers, and even Wall Street tycoons without regular paychecks but with plenty of assets. The loan-to-value of the house is usually rather low; one lender requires it to go no higher than 60%, for instance, and the borrower has to demonstrate at least six months of payments in liquid reserve. Instead of doing half of their business in low- or no-doc loans, the percentage is much smaller, perhaps 5%, with higher interest rates on the loans.
Analysts quoted in the article claim that getting these kinds of borrowers into the risk pool makes lenders more financially secure. They get higher interest rates and more equity in the collateral. Besides, as they note, it’s a little hard to complain about this limited and narrow re-entry into “liar loans” when the federal government has jumped feet first back into risky lending, this time through FHA, as the report mentions at the very end, emphasis mine:
“This guy made $5 million in 2007 and 2008. He’s liquid for $10 million, and he’s borrowing 20% LTV (loan-to-value),” says Dessner. A no-doc loan to that kind of borrower shouldn’t be political dynamite, especially at a time when the Federal Housing Administration is making 95% LTV loans to low-income borrowers with poor credit and little savings, he argues.
Say what? Well, the fact that the federal government has shifted its social engineering to FHA after all but destroying Freddie and Fannie should come as no surprise. Nor should it come as a surprise that they’re using the same mortgage-backed securities mechanism that created the global financial collapse to shed the cost of guaranteeing those loans. But one might have thought that the collapse of the housing bubble from overspeculation and irrational supply of credit would have taught Washington a lesson about interfering with the lending markets.
If FHA is guaranteeing loans for 5% down to people with bad credit and no liquidity, then be prepared for the next collapse and bailout, this time at FHA. And that really should have been the lead of the story for ABC and Forbes, but in their defense, no one paid much attention to the other hare-brained hair of the dog programs coming out of Washington before now, either.









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WOO HOO! Now we can ALL have our Chickens and Houses TOO!/s
upinak on July 8, 2010 at 2:59 PM
OMG. Will we even make it to 2012 before utter destruction?
ramrants on July 8, 2010 at 2:59 PM
Ed, these people don’t learn lessons. The same people who collapsed the market before are still in charge. Their goal is total collapse. Why are you surprised?
fossten on July 8, 2010 at 3:00 PM
I thought that was a given. Didn’t they become basically insolvent recently?
WitchDoctor on July 8, 2010 at 3:01 PM
Can’t discriminate against women, minorities or liars.
seven on July 8, 2010 at 3:01 PM
Obama lies to China and borrows trillions.
Green jobs? You don’t need no job. You got welfare.
seven on July 8, 2010 at 3:02 PM
The same people are still in power from two years ago. No surprise is there? When there are no consequences, why bother to do things different.
Hening on July 8, 2010 at 3:04 PM
FHA is 3.5% min down payment not 5% right now.
Also, after doing loans for 18 years for very large banks I can tell you that the subprime “no docs” were the problem not the no docs for A paper. They make sense to do as they are usually self employed borrowers that reinvest money into their businesses, they usually take income as a dividend at the end of the year and that makes tracking paystubs impossible, thus no doc. These type of loans require large downpayments and great credit. This is also crippling people that own businesses right now and are not taking income to keep paying their people and now can’t get lower rates due to that. I have several clients like that and they are being penalized for it. Never been late on anything, great equity in the house and good reserves but are taking huge pay cuts to stay in business…
By the way, FHA is trying to bump up the mortgage insurance premiums on these low docs substantially to make them less risky.
momof2 on July 8, 2010 at 3:06 PM
Sorry meant to say FHA bumping up mortgage insurance premuims to low downpayment loans not low docs:)
momof2 on July 8, 2010 at 3:07 PM
Does it seem like Obama is accelerating his agenda?
Skandia Recluse on July 8, 2010 at 3:07 PM
Great…wasn’t there a time when people actually saved money to make a down payment and bought a house within their means? Why can’t we go back to those days?
Vera on July 8, 2010 at 3:07 PM
Being a doctor I am of course completely financially ignorant, but do remember a CBS News sob story about evil Republicans and a single mother bus diver with four kids who couldn’t make her payments in a house that costs four (4) times what mine does. More of the same?
Marcus on July 8, 2010 at 3:07 PM
Reparations.
rickyricardo on July 8, 2010 at 3:08 PM
We got to make the sales of homes look good now don’t we? It doesn’t matter if you can afford it, but the sales are really up for the month!
L
letget on July 8, 2010 at 3:08 PM
cmsinaz on July 8, 2010 at 3:11 PM
Yes.
Disturb the Universe on July 8, 2010 at 3:13 PM
won’t happen for a long time….folks’ hands have been out and no one has been saying no to them…
cmsinaz on July 8, 2010 at 3:14 PM
does he feel the ‘one term’ creeping up on him? hillary in the wings or joe bite me? hmmmmm
cmsinaz on July 8, 2010 at 3:15 PM
Yes, Obama squared.
faraway on July 8, 2010 at 3:16 PM
Why would anyone with assets of $10 million take out a mortgage?
If he wants to borrow money for a home (either a first, second or third home) he would be far better off margining some of his assets. Mortgages beyond $1M are not deductable. Margin interest is (just so it doesn’t exceed the proceeds of the assets.
Corky Boyd on July 8, 2010 at 3:16 PM
President Prius?
Recall!
Electrongod on July 8, 2010 at 3:18 PM
The Mayans KNEW about Fannie & Freddie!
TugboatPhil on July 8, 2010 at 3:20 PM
Our liberal government keeps doing the same things and expecting different results.
jukin on July 8, 2010 at 3:21 PM
Trying to re inflate the housing bubble. The smartest people in the room…..
Dr Evil on July 8, 2010 at 3:21 PM
MrMagooCenomics
faraway on July 8, 2010 at 3:24 PM
Can’t wait for November this year. Can’t wait.
MassVictim on July 8, 2010 at 3:25 PM
Sounds like a good idea has come back…
- Buy a house for nothing with nothing
- Don’t pay the mortgage
- Live in it for free for about 2 years
- Repeat…
PatriotRider on July 8, 2010 at 3:25 PM
Isn’t it interesting that it’s coming just in time to sustain that cycle? That is, the time it takes for personal financial failure (and the supposed repercussions of that), is exactly the time it takes for the programs to reset and start all over again.
Huh!
MassVictim on July 8, 2010 at 3:28 PM
How about this- introduce stronger banking regulation. Companies in a position to destroy the entire economy must be regulated. The recent banking collapse nearly brought our system of capitalism to a blazing end (read Too Big Too Fail to understand how). Further, we should consider breaking up any bank that can threaten our economy as a result of its failure.
I know that some people will get hot and heavy ands start crying ‘OBAMA IS A SOCIALIST’. To you, I say you have zero understanding of what socialism is all about. Bank regulation is not socialism. Obama and Congress haven’t done enough. The big bank lobbyists are winning.
bayam on July 8, 2010 at 3:39 PM
Time is short …
tarpon on July 8, 2010 at 3:39 PM
I copied this comment from an alias on another board. The reason I’ve saved it is because, IMO, it’s the best analysis yet on how we got where we are today.
SoldiersMom on July 8, 2010 at 3:41 PM
Neighbors kitty-corner across the street refinanced their home so many times to withdraw cash that, when they walked away, they owed 3 times what the house was originally worth just ten years before. Oh, and on top of it, they didn’t pay their property taxes for 3 years.
He was a fire control engineer at a refinery and made fairly decent money.
Neighbors next door bought their house at the peak of the market with a NINJA loan. Within 24 months they walked away and the bank is now renting it out.
They were 3 generations of a new American family who pooled their money to meet expenses.
The long and the short of it is, that the poor sap who lives in between paid (and pays) his mortgage like clockwork. And, he (me) watched his home value drop like a stone and his neighborhood become a checkerboard of abandoned properties.
Our local vicinity is just now showing the small, initial signs of coming out of this. Please, let’s not go through it again.
nico on July 8, 2010 at 3:41 PM
I originate FHA and VA loans. The only “no doc’ loan is a streamline refinance. This is a loan approved only if the borrower is receving a tangible benefit..lower rate / payment or converting a high rate ARM to a much lower rate Fixed loan. Even if there is a tangible benefit, the borrower must have made past 12 payments on time, and a light appraisal is done to make sure the house isn’t under water, at least in terms of the 1st mtg. Also, employment is verified, though no income is stated on the loan app.
These loans are good for our economy, not ticking time bombs as this post suggests. They reward on time borrowers with a mortgage payment that is easier to keep current. This isn’t a bad thing.
DrW on July 8, 2010 at 3:45 PM
What is about this government that keeps doing the same thing over and over again and then expecting a different outcome? Can anyone say insanity?
Wills on July 8, 2010 at 3:46 PM
bayam – WTF! Are you incapable of research and understanding, or do you just enjoy propogating a known lie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs
or this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM&feature=related
SoldiersMom on July 8, 2010 at 3:49 PM
Hurry, November’s coming.
Little Boomer on July 8, 2010 at 3:50 PM
The definition of insanity, and the head loon is sitting is POTUS.
GrannyDee on July 8, 2010 at 3:58 PM
I almost threw up when I read this story.
Folks, TARP was an illegal tax to keep our financial system from totally collapsing.
It was collapsing because too many banks owned poorly performing bonds and their derivatives backed by low quality home loans. When the SHTF and the banks could no longer find a market for their supposedly A rated bonds that were more likely B or C rated bonds, and the bonds started defaulting, the financial pyramid using these bonds as assets collapsed, rendering most large banks insolvent due to their leverage ratios.
Billions of dollars of taxpayer money was given and lent to financial institutions to allow them to continue operations. Almost no one on the banking or regulatory side has been proseccuted for this theft. The same people who were running the institutions then are running them now. (Think Goldman alumni and Ivy League educated types).
So, to get to my point, the bad paper (loans) had to have some place to go; they needed to be bundled into bonds and a seller found. When the big banks were caught having too much exposure to the market, they were crushed, and then bailed out. I can’t see the market for sub-prime mortgage bonds rebounding since sunlight has shown the corruption in the process. That means FHA will be holding all the paper. I can’t fathom anyone buying this crap.
If FHA becomes another financial black hole and is declared “to big to fail” and another “bailout” (theft) occurs, the American public has every right to revolt against these types of policies. If you are not already revolted.
riverrat10k on July 8, 2010 at 4:06 PM
I don’t see why the “no doc” ever has to come into play. If you say you make $100K, show an IRS return that says you made $100K. Doesn’t matter if you’re self employed, a business owner or someone living off an inheritance. Your income is reported to the IRS (or should be) just the same. Line 22 of Form 1040 is the “This is your income” number. That’s after business expenses for self employed and business owners.
And if you are in the situation where you’re getting little to no income because you’re re-investing it in your business….well too bad. Then your income is little to nothing. You can’t pay the mortgage with money that is re-invested.
angryed on July 8, 2010 at 4:16 PM
Your right Obama isn’t a Socialist He’s a Corporatist.
Dr Evil on July 8, 2010 at 4:26 PM
Oh, crap. Now I’ll never be able to buy a house. The damn flippers (with all due respect to any HAers who are house flippers) will grab up all the affordable houses, and it’ll be 2005-2006 all over again.
/somebody prove me wrong here!
Mary in LA on July 8, 2010 at 4:29 PM
When the collapse comes, the ads won’t be asking “got milk?”.
GarandFan on July 8, 2010 at 4:29 PM
Really? Didn’t mortgages to the low-income have something to do with the financial collapse? The banks danced the tune the feds piped. The Community Reinvestment Act and all the changes made to further it (like more easily securitizing mortgages) destroyed the economy. No liberal wants to regulate or change the CRA or Fannie or Freddie, as we’ve seen. They demand that we keep ladeling out free homes to those who can’t afford them.
theCork on July 8, 2010 at 4:36 PM
Oops.
GrannyDee on July 8, 2010 at 4:36 PM
If I underwrote commercial – business insurance – the way these clowns underwrote (and I use that term loosely) residential mortgages, I would have been run out of town years ago!
jbh45 on July 8, 2010 at 4:40 PM
How about a down payment 0%?
BobMbx on July 8, 2010 at 4:41 PM
When nations fall it happens pretty quick…like under five years.
Inanemergencydial on July 8, 2010 at 4:44 PM
Racist.
Illegal aliens don’t have tax returns to show. How would they get access to NINJA loans and whatnot?
BobMbx on July 8, 2010 at 4:44 PM
Their example of someone with 5 mill in income, and 10 mill in cash, is so far from reality it is absurd.
This fictitious buyer is EXACTLY the guy that would buy a property or 2 for cash, establish himself as a property manager by renting them or remodeling and selling them, then use that income to leverage forward.
NINJA’s, in any form, are total BS! These loans were NEVER intended for serious investors, they were instead designed to allow sales people to make money on the margins while letting the underlying deal go strait to hell!
And this is not even mentioning the absurd concept of loans for deadbeats!
Freddy on July 8, 2010 at 4:45 PM
Cockroaches swim harder as they get closer to the drain……
BobMbx on July 8, 2010 at 4:48 PM
The REAL flippers increase home values. The wanna be flippers get wiped out! All you need to do is find some flippers mistake and grab it up cheap! Ever notice how that Arnando guy wound up holding property till the show went off the air? Lots of nice deals available there. heh heh
Not actual proof, but hopefully an idea for you to follow up on.
Freddy on July 8, 2010 at 4:53 PM
Thanks, Freddy! Now, how do I tell a real flipper from a faux flipper? And who is “that Armando guy”? (I’m really very naive about this stuff…)
Mary in LA on July 8, 2010 at 5:31 PM
Bad mortgages to insolvent people led to a massive collapse in the banking system?
Hey, let’s do it again!
Fool us once, shame on you! Fool us twice…
Steve Z on July 8, 2010 at 5:47 PM
I don’t know what the big deal is. In the last 6 months, I’ve gotten THREE letters from my mortgage company offering to refinance with:
No employment verification
No income verification
No asset verification
No appraisal
Oh, one more small thing. They are offering 125% loan-to-value and when I got my loan with them, it was in 2007 at a very inflated value when I did a re-fi to go from an adjustable rate to a fixed rate. The routine then was a VERY DETAILED look into my finances, employment, etc. BUT the appraised value was still WAY HIGH.
I wrote to my congressman and senators when I got the FIRST letter months ago.
Maybe I should just take out a 125% loan and take the excess cash and pay cash for a house across the street and down a couple. Then, simply let them foreclose on this one but OWN the new one free and clear.
CC
CapedConservative on July 8, 2010 at 5:57 PM
Check out the forclosure lists – look for ‘repeat offenders’ – then drive by and look for a nice lawn.
Then make low ball offer – something you would not ever think they would take.
It will take a few tries, but it is a BUYERS market!
Freddy on July 8, 2010 at 6:50 PM
Ed,
I’m a loan officer at one of the biggest brokerages out there. we do business with just about every regulated lender still in business. My last venue for a stated income loan was a portfolio lender that stopped taking applications in June 2009. I just did a search – not one of our regulated lenders is offering such a program – including the last folks to give it up.
(This isn’t to say that the so-called “hard money” or “private money” lenders aren’t offering loans – but they aren’t subject to most of the regulation that the public lenders such as all the banks are subject to, and their documentation requirements have always been minimal. They’re loaning money at 60% of a depressed, conservative loan to value. Their plan for default is simple: Foreclose immediately – they’ll get their money. And the lowest interest rate I’ve ever heard of one of them charging was 11%.)
Stated Income loans had a real and viable niche originally – a niche that is expanding in the modern economy. But until such time as someone smarter than me figures out a way to prevent it being abused, I do not expect to see them return. The reward for figuring it out will be immense – but the hard part will be to convince investors to put their money to the deal, for tolerably obvious reasons.
I’ve written extensively on my own website about these and many other related issues for the last five years
SearchlightCrusade on July 8, 2010 at 7:32 PM
I used to underwrite a variation of the loan being discussed here. There are plenty of ways to verify income without verifying income using paycheck stubs. What is insane is the kind of loans that were made with no real underwriting standards whatsoever–with some lenders—there are plenty of solid lenders that did everything right, but their borrowers got caught up in the piz-poor economy.
What really pizzed me off was the news shows about how evil bankers lent to an 85 year old woman and how could the lender be so heartless. The government. That’s how. Lenders can’t take age into consideration as long as the person is of the age of majority (18 years). As usual, the government is in the middle of this mess.
john1schn on July 8, 2010 at 8:12 PM
There is nothing wrong with liar loans if, as in Canada, the liar has to have a minimum of 35% down in cash. That way the bank is covered. The lending laws need to be changed so that everybody must have a significant down payment in order to get a mortgage, and liar loans need to be 35%.
keep the change on July 8, 2010 at 10:00 PM
….and while democrats brag about the “financial reform bill”,
….they leave Fannie/Freddie free to soak up billions of tax dollars with their uncapped gift from Obama.
Now the democrats have furthered their corrupt policies:
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/07/08/is-reid-campaign-hiding-its-activities-to-evade-campaign-finance-laws/
….more corrupt failure that all the regulations in the world can’t stop because the people in charge of the regulating are part of the problem.
…..which is why the corrupt Tim Geithner was put in charge by the Obama administration, he was a main player.
…The corruption combined with the destructive spend and tax policies of democrats guarantees major unemployment, and a stagnate economy headed for collapse.
Baxter Greene on July 10, 2010 at 12:47 PM