District Attorney in Wisconsin will not prosecute certain state gun laws after Supreme Court decision
posted at 7:00 am on July 7, 2010 by MadisonConservative
Gerald A. Fox, district attorney for Jackson County, says a lot of things that make me want to move there.
Yesterday, in a resounding victory for all freedom-loving Americans, the United States Supreme Court confirmed that the Second Amendment’s protection of our right to keep and bear arms applies everywhere in America, and serves as a rampart against state infringement of this fundamental individual liberty. In its ruling, the Court declared that the right to keep and bear arms is a fundamental right, and that self-defense is at the core of the freedoms protected by the amendment.
This Supreme Court ruling is binding on all states and local governments, and immediately renders some of Wisconsin’s current laws unconstitutional. Therefore, in keeping with my oath to uphold and defend the Constitution, I hereby declare that this office will no longer accept law enforcement referrals for violations of the following statutes:
Section 167.31, prohibiting uncased or loaded firearms in vehicles;
Section 941.23, prohibiting the carrying of concealed weapons, including firearms;
Section 941.235, prohibiting the possession of firearms in public buildings;
Section 941.237, prohibiting the possession of firearms in establishments where alcohol may be sold or served; and,
Section 941.24, prohibiting the possession of knives that open with a button, or by gravity, or thrust, or movement.All of these statutes constitute unjustifiable infringements on the fundamental right of every law-abiding American to arm themselves for self-defense and the defense of their loved ones, co-workers, homes and communities. This change also invalidates Jackson County Ordinance Sections 9.01 (firearms in public buildings) and 9.29 (CCW).
Emphases mine, to note in particular the laws that have irked gun owners in Wisconsin for quite some time. Notably absent is one further law, prohibiting the possession of a firearm within 1000ft of a school. My guess is that Fox thought the law on public buildings actually may have redundantly applied. Wisconsin Carry, Inc. is also willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but notes that if this law isn’t also included in the new paradigm on gun laws, then there’s still a problem.
Overall, for those of us who legally carry in Wisconsin by open carrying, many of these statues have been a major thorn in our side. Most eating establishments serve alcohol, even fast food places like Qdoba, which makes it easy to unwittingly break the law. There’s also long been a lot of confusion as to how far the vehicle law stretches. In order to carry, one will have to take their weapon out of its case, load it, and holster it. However, is opening the case and laying it on the seat while the car is parked a violation? Is it legal to lay it on the hood or trunk? It has long seemed like the laws are purposely entangling so as to dissuade people from practicing their firearms rights, something shown with far more frankness by Chicago’s new bevy of laws.
The idea is sound, but who it’s coming from makes it dicey. I’m glad to see an attorney is thinking in terms of the rights of citizens rather than the rights of bureaucrats to boss them around, but it’s still a disturbing precedent when law enforcement openly says they won’t enforce laws. Imagine if this were an Arizona attorney saying they wouldn’t enforce laws to get illegal aliens reported to the authorities. An argument could be made that all of these idiotic gun laws will be rendered unconstitutional soon because of the SC ruling, but how long will that take? Will lawmakers lock up the cases until doomsday? Will activist judges just flat-out refuse to strike them down?
Personally, I applaud the DA’s stance. It takes a lot of guts, and may cost him his job. However, if he gets re-elected after taking such a position, that could potentially be a signal to the rest of Wisconsin. Possibly, combined with a governor like Scott Walker, who would most likely sign the concealed carry legislation that Doyle vetoed, this could mean a bright future for gun owners in Wisconsin.
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Hey, MC, I didn’t know you had a time machine! Cool! ;)
-Aslan’s Girl
Aslans Girl on July 7, 2010 at 4:53 AM
Frightening thought to be “In Violation” just to be “in Compliance”…
nationspatriotcom on July 7, 2010 at 4:56 AM
That is truly glorious. Go Gerald A. Fox!
I live in CA. So concealed carry is one of those things that I gaze at wistfully from afar.
jlibson on July 7, 2010 at 5:02 AM
8:48 AM? In which time zone?
flipflop on July 7, 2010 at 6:13 AM
TARDIS!
Bee on July 7, 2010 at 6:31 AM
London? No Bermuda…MC are you out sailing the Gulf Stream?
Thanks for letting us know…Gutsy guy that Fox.
jerrytbg on July 7, 2010 at 6:34 AM
Is this how we find out that Mad Con really lives in Europe?
No wonder he’s upset about not being able to carry guns!
He obviously doesn’t live in Switzerland.
BTW, the day that someone has to have “guts” to stand up for the 2nd Amendment is the day of America’s (virtual) death.
Which part of “shall not be infringed” do people not understand?
Jenfidel on July 7, 2010 at 6:51 AM
It’s been over 25 years now, but I remember when Kennesaw, Georgia, passed a law actually requiring each “head of household” to own a firearm for protection for the household. There were dire predictions, of course, of a Wild West atmosphere in the town, and many more predictions that there would be accidental shootings and such.
But crime plummeted, especially murders, and IIRC they went over 20 years without a single murder or accidental shooting or killing. Neighboring towns complained loudly, though, since the criminals went where there were no guns to deal with. Naturally! Criminals always look for the vulnerable and easy victims, and a well-armed population is not fertile hunting grounds for them, for sure.
One of the things that the anti-gun crowd always ignores is that criminals will always have access to guns via the black market. So denying law-abiding citizens the right to bear arms to defend themselves never ever reduced crime. Restrictive firearms laws, in my opinion, were only meant to give all levels of government greater control over the population, nothing more, no matter how altruistic their claims were.
KendraWilder on July 7, 2010 at 7:03 AM
inb4 trolls taking issue with the “where alcohol may be sold or served” part.
Ryan Anthony on July 7, 2010 at 7:09 AM
The anti-gun crowd is the crowd of tyranny.
Everything they say, everything they do, everything they believe is predicated on depriving their fellow citizens of the fundamental rights that are the foundation of a free society. You can either live in freedom, or you can live in tyranny. There is no middle ground.
They want to do away with our right to keep and bear arms because they want to do away with ALL our rights. In their dreams they see themselves as our masters and we as their subjects.
Evil is not merely the absence of good. These people are evil and should be treated with as much contempt as any other criminal.
leereyno on July 7, 2010 at 7:21 AM
Agreed…however, what MC is talking about are the uninformed voters…
You don’t have a lock on the outrage…not by any stretch.
jerrytbg on July 7, 2010 at 7:22 AM
What’s so pathetic is that the folks out your way that prevent this don’t understand that there is already a group of people that already do carry concealed, everywhere they go. I believe they are called criminals.
TugboatPhil on July 7, 2010 at 7:29 AM
Nice post MadCon
Yeah, but that would be a bridge too far; SCOTUS hasn’t ruled and a DA making that call would be doing so on his sole opinion that the law is onconstitutional.
I wouldn’t hold your breath. As with all of the rights under the BoA, it has been ‘understood’ over time that they can be limited by rational restrictions so long as they do not place an ‘undue burden’ on your right to exercise. My guess is that states like Massachusetts (very strict gun laws) will have some of their laws struck down, but will be allowed to keep many.
Firefly_76 on July 7, 2010 at 7:35 AM
Mancrush.
Yeah.
fossten on July 7, 2010 at 7:38 AM
There has been bipartisan support for CC in Wisconsin for some time, but it never made it to the governor’s desk until Doyle rode a pile of tribal cash into Madison, and he displayed his contempt for the will of the people by vetoing it with obvious pleasure.
He can’t be gone fast enough.
VelvetElvis on July 7, 2010 at 7:54 AM
Yeah, well, we still have the Democrats in charge so this means nothing until November when we can vote them out of office. Of course, Chicago’s Mayor Daley makes it clear that when the left doesn’t like a SCOTUS ruling, they just simply ignore it.
englishqueen01 on July 7, 2010 at 7:54 AM
Good point re: Kennesaw, Georgia.
Most actually do believe those “altruistic claims.” It’s a misunderstanding of human nature coupled with a lifetime of imbibing state-venerating propaganda. The individual is a product of it’s environment, the individual isn’t responsible, the individual needs structure, the individual can’t be left to itself to _____ whatever. The gun is the problem. No gun, no shootings.
Reminding them of UK stabbing incidences is also futile. I’m surprised they haven’t banned cutlery over there yet.
Bee on July 7, 2010 at 8:09 AM
Had. To. Fix.
Bee on July 7, 2010 at 8:11 AM
I think the Democrat party is about to be struck with the lightening of truth in Novemberm, on a lot of subjects. Obowma is spewing propaganda at a rate that would make Hugo Chavez blush.
And now we have this Eugenics guy in charge of Medicare.
Seems to me we need a 75% reduction in federla budgetm stat!!
Congrats WI for leading the way back to sanity.
tarpon on July 7, 2010 at 8:15 AM
Democrats never respect the constitution or the SCOTUS unless its it perverted against morale , law abiding citizens. Or a law that helps once race or group of people over another. Plus DemoRATS are used to the courts ruling in their favor for the last 60 years , plus judges make laws faster than legislators.
Donut on July 7, 2010 at 8:24 AM
It’s only one county in Wisconsin. You’re not going to see anything like this coming out of Dane county or from the State Capitol.
Oldnuke on July 7, 2010 at 8:38 AM
I disagree strenuously. The day we take our rights for granted and do not have the guts to stand up to those who infringe upon is the day we die. Freedom is a constant struggle and we will always have to stand up for what is right.
NotCoach on July 7, 2010 at 8:41 AM
A man can dream that Jackson County will swallow up all of Wisconsin, can’t he?
Ryan Anthony on July 7, 2010 at 8:44 AM
Oldnuke on July 7, 2010 at 8:54 AM
It will be very interesting to see how this stance holds against the inevitable legal challenges. And you know that it will be challenged soon.
I think we’re about to re-litigate a lot of the old firearm restrictions. We’ll have to re-argue all of them. If you stop and think, the Constitution does not say that the people’s right to keep and bear shall not be infringed. except for Felons. That is one restriction that most people agree with, but….
NavyspyII on July 7, 2010 at 8:54 AM
The real questions here have to be
A. Was this a ploy by the D.A. for gun grabbers like Sarah Brady to file lawsuits against Wisconsin ?
B.When is the D.A. up for re election ?
ELMO Q on July 7, 2010 at 9:32 AM
Just to be clear, I carry a sidearm everyday, usually open-carried, sometimes concealed, and am active in the open-carry movement.
That said, wouldn’t it be better to continue enforcing the law, forcing a court case to determine constitutionality? While I appreciate his stance and intent, unless the laws are in the process of being rescinded by the legislature, don’t they need a court challenge to go away? This seems to be legislating from the DA’s office, which he has no power to do. Can a DA request through an opinion that a law be removed from the books?
riverrat10k on July 7, 2010 at 9:44 AM
Dude! Legal Stilettos!
Rocks on July 7, 2010 at 9:51 AM
Awesome! A bureaucrat who wants to limit his ability to mete out draconian penalties on the untermenchen, who’d have thought?
abobo on July 7, 2010 at 10:00 AM
Good point. What happens when the next DA isn’t so enlightened?
barnone on July 7, 2010 at 10:12 AM
Just like Eric Holder not prosecuting the New Black Panthers, the Sestak bribery, the Romanoff bribery and the President’s involment in the Blogo mess.
barnone on July 7, 2010 at 10:14 AM
I had the same thought, but I’m not sure. This is the DA for just one county in WI, not the whole state. This DA is saying that in his county they won’t enforce these laws on a county level. In other words he’s throwing in the towel as not worth the taxpayers money to prosecute since he’s likely to lose anyway. IIRC you live in Virginia, what part?
Oldnuke on July 7, 2010 at 10:17 AM
No not legal. Still illegal but this DA isn’t going to pursue charges in his county. Sort of like a police decision not to go after a guy driving 57 in a 55. The guy is still doing something illegal it’s just that the officer is not going to waste his time going after him.
Oldnuke on July 7, 2010 at 10:21 AM
I can see where you could draw that comparison but I wouldn’t. This DA has the backing of the constitution and a couple of SCOTUS precedents for justification. The cases you mention have no such legal backing. They’re just acts that the justice department has chosen to ignore.
Oldnuke on July 7, 2010 at 10:24 AM
Internet spy! Good recall. Greater Richmond area. On-topic, on July 1, Virginia’s law changed, now allowing concealed carry in restaraunts serving alcohol, as long as you don’t drink. If truly concealed, how will they know? Interesting is the fact that open-carry in these establishments has always been legal, with the owners consent. Some will even serve you alcohol while open-carrying. Drinking while carrying is obviously frowned upon by the gun rights advocacy groups.
Still, considered an incremental win, in that we no longer have to change carry methods in order to grab lunch where alcohol is served, or leave our guns unattended in a vehicle. Legally, we have no “bars” in Virginia. Only “restaraunts that serve alcohol.”
Sic Semper Tyrannus!
riverrat10k on July 7, 2010 at 10:52 AM
The is a clear, line-in-the-sand moment for those of us who value our liberty.
southsideironworks on July 7, 2010 at 11:01 AM
Disturbing to whom?
Disturbing yes to bad guys.
Not disturbing to law abiding citizens.
ColdWarrior57 on July 7, 2010 at 11:10 AM
This guy’s county is sparsely populated and has only one federal judge. That probably explains why he can spend his time writing lengthy, self-indulgent press releases about crimes he’s probably rarely charged people with anyway.
crr6 on July 7, 2010 at 11:15 AM
What a surprise that you’ve managed to drop in and insult a guy’s valiant stand because of the population in his area, but you haven’t the balls to touch this thread.
And perhaps you should hold your tongue about self-indulgent pontificating until you relinquish your crown to that title of commenter.
MadisonConservative on July 7, 2010 at 11:26 AM
…wearing their worn out Obama tees like required uniforms.
Last time I was there (a few weeks ago), I saw a glimmer of light. There was a Students of Objectivism booth on Capital Square handing out free Ayn Rand books and writings (right next to some old hippies handing out unicorn pamphlets about supporting the United Nations, oh well). I asked the students if they were sponsored by the University and they laughed and said, “No! We are a self sustaining club. We don’t take any money from the University.” LOL and Yay!
Fallon on July 7, 2010 at 11:26 AM
Heh, I saw the same booth a few weeks ago. At the Farmer’s Market?
MadisonConservative on July 7, 2010 at 11:48 AM
Isn’t this the same fellow who refused to join the lawsuit against Obamacare? I read a lot of sarcasm in this memo – I think he’s just trying to make a point. Poorly. But still..
AbaddonsReign on July 7, 2010 at 12:28 PM
Um…our Attorney General, JB Van Hollen, did in fact try to join the lawsuit against ObamaCare. It was Governor Doyle who blocked him from doing so.
MadisonConservative on July 7, 2010 at 12:32 PM
What chu talkin’ ’bout, jlibson?
I live in CA and have had a CCW for more then 15 years. What county are you in? Just guessing but I bet you live in southern Cali.
opusrex on July 7, 2010 at 12:48 PM
Ahh, my mistake.
AbaddonsReign on July 7, 2010 at 1:04 PM
IMHO, that should mean that students can’t bring handguns to school and if they have a hunting rifle it stays in their truck and the bolt with them during the day (to dissuade theft).
Teachers, administrators and other adult employees at schools should be packing if they so desire. I know, I know, there’d be a few idiot teachers that would just have to take out their Glock and do show and tell with the kiddies, but it comes down to the idea that the majority shouldn’t be punished because of the actions of a few.
Also, school staff/bus drivers have a responsibility to protect the students in their charge-rather hard if you’re up against someone with a gun and you’re unarmed. Another things is that adults’ Second Amendment rights shouldn’t be infringed upon-if you’re a school board employee you have to leave your weapon at home and are therefore unarmed not only at the school but to and from work.
Might also make some of the punks that are in virtually every middle and high school think twice about mouthing off, not that they would have any realistic expectation of being shot by a pi$$ed off teacher, but knowing someone is armed generally instills a higher level of politeness.
As for public buildings, I feel that if you have a reasonable expectation of being protected by law enforcement then locking up your weapon would be OK (including rallies with political candidates). Perhaps being required to wear a red badge so that security knows you’re armed. However, in a courtroom-dunno, that’s a sticky one. Tempers can run pretty high and instead of families jumping on some creep who murdered a family member you could easily have lead flying instead.
Dr. ZhivBlago on July 7, 2010 at 1:15 PM
Do you think Van Hollen will support Fox’s stand on the second amendment? I know it would be difficult to fly in the face of the Governor and your legislature but what about the man himself. Will he be sympathetic?
Oldnuke on July 7, 2010 at 1:19 PM
In theory, he’s with him. Whether he would support the stand against state law…my guess would be no. Van Hollen’s a strong Second supporter, but he’s also savvy enough to know that Fox’s attitude won’t fly in Milwaukee and Madison. If he goes with him, I’d be pleasantly surprised. My guess is he’ll avoid the statement altogether.
MadisonConservative on July 7, 2010 at 1:34 PM
I think all of these laws would be considered constitutional under McDonald. Reasonable restrictions are still allowable and most of these would probably pass muster, depending on the exact wording of the law. Probhitions on concealed carry were explicitly allowed in Heller, which forms part of the basis of McDonald. In order for these restrictions to be declared unconstitutional, each of them will have to move through the courts.
I salute Mr. Fox’s principled stand, but the short term effect may very well be the loss of a pro-2A advocate from public office. That can’t be good.
JackOfClubs on July 7, 2010 at 4:44 PM
so the DA will not prosecute today, what about tomorrow?? it is much better to prosecute to get the unconstitutional laws thrown out than to let an unconstitutional law sit there waiting for the Socialists to put Socialist Kagan and others on the SCOTUS then start prosecuting again.
mathewsjw on July 7, 2010 at 5:38 PM