Feds to claim pre-emption in fight against AZ immigration-enforcement law; Update: Suit makes no claim of discrimination

posted at 1:36 pm on July 6, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

The Department of Justice will file a lawsuit this week, perhaps as early as today, against Arizona to block its new immigration-enforcement law.  They plan to use the weakest argument possible, that of pre-emption, which amounts to a surrender on the grounds that the Obama administration has claimed in the previous three months of debate:

The Justice Department has decided to file suit against Arizona on the grounds that the state’s new immigration law illegally intrudes on federal prerogatives, law enforcement sources said Monday.

The lawsuit, which three sources said could be filed as early as Tuesday, will invoke for its main argument the legal doctrine of “preemption,” which is based on the Constitution’s supremacy clause and says that federal law trumps state statutes. Justice Department officials believe that enforcing immigration laws is a federal responsibility, the sources said. …

The preemption doctrine has been established in Supreme Court decisions, and some legal experts have said such a federal argument likely would persuade a judge to declare the law unconstitutional.

But lawyers who helped draft the Arizona legislation have expressed doubt that a preemption argument would prevail.

Why might they be skeptical of this approach?  The argument relies on a position that claims that the federal government is the only sovereign with jurisdiction to enforce immigration laws.  They may need to explain, then, the DoJ effort to train state and local law enforcement on immigration law and enforcement.  The program, called Basic Immigration Enforcement Training (BIET), offers the following training:

A rising immigrant population in the U.S. has led to a dramatic increase in local, state, and tribal law enforcement encounters with both legal and illegal immigrants during routine police duties. As immigration continues to affect interior communities, there is an increasing demand for law enforcement officers to have a working knowledge of immigration law and policy.

BIET is a highly interactive, self-paced multimedia training program that addresses the immigration knowledge requirements of local, state, and tribal law enforcement officers. BIET addresses a wide range of topics including:

  • False identification
  • Identifying valid identification documents
  • Consular notification
  • Diplomatic immunity
  • Nonimmigrant visas
  • Immigrant and nonimmigrant status
  • Law Enforcement Support Center resources

BIET was developed by Cameron University and Advanced Systems Technology, Inc. with funding received from the U.S. Department of Justice COPS Office. The pilot program was available for free to the first 500 officers from law enforcement departments.

It seems rather clear that the DoJ intended to get state and local law enforcement involved in immigration efforts.  Arizona’s law doesn’t set up the state as an adjudicator of the complaints, but merely requires police to check status and refer suspects to ICE when circumstances warrant.  It doesn’t violate federal prerogative at all, but instead forces the federal government to act responsibly to enforce the law.

Besides, this issue of pre-emption works the other direction.  Does this mean that state and local police have no jurisdiction to enforce federal drug laws if they don’t violate state or local law?  Terrorism?  Wire fraud?  If a court rules that referrals to federal agencies from state and local law enforcement are unconstitutional on the basis of pre-emption, it will make the Gorelick Wall look like a curb.

Furthermore, this is weak tea compared to the Obama administration’s rhetoric on the subject.  They have spent the last three months declaring this unconstitutional on the basis of discrimination.  If that were true, the government would have made that its primary argument.  The fact that they’re going with pre-emption means that they’re conceding that the discrimination argument never held water — and that their accusations of bigotry against Arizonans were nothing more than demagoguery.

Update: Legal Insurrection has the complaint, which was filed today.

Update II: Jake Tapper delivers my told-you-so:

The court filing states that Arizona law is pre-empted by federal law and therefore violates the supremacy clause of the U.S. Constitution.

The filing makes no assertion that the law is discriminatory or risks being applied in a discriminatory fashion, as the president and other officials said they feared would be the case. Interestingly, this suit makes no civil rights charges against the Arizona law.

If there is no civil-rights violation, then why is Obama suing over it?  I got this earlier by e-mail from HA reader Mark W:

I’ve always thought that the Justice Department might take the preemption route to try and get the law declared unconstitutional, however I’m not talk about conflict preemption, but field preemption. This sub-species of the Supremacy Clause states that even without a conflict between state and federal law, or without an express declaration by Congress that the federal law will be supreme, the state law may be overwritten if the federal regulatory scheme is so pervasive as to “occupy the field” of the area of law in question, in this case, immigration law. Basically the court looks at the federal law and tries to determine if Congress’ intent was to not have the federal law supplemented by state law. There is a whole range of tests that determine whether Congress has invoked field preemption. I’d be happy to get out my Con. Law notes and give a more comprehensive analysis if you like, but the moral of the story is: don’t discount this suit too quickly, Ed. It could still have teeth, even with the BIET argument.

But in this case, the state isn’t setting itself up as a higher jurisdiction, or any jurisdiction; it doesn’t supplant anything.  The state will not try these cases.  All cases of suspected illegal immigration will get referred to the feds.  It would be akin to saying that it’s unconstitutional for local police to respond to a bank robbery in progress because robbing an FDIC-insured bank is a federal crime.  Mark isn’t defending the lawsuit, I should emphasize, but merely providing the administration’s argument for it — and thereby demonstrating how weak it is.

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Odie1941 on July 6, 2010 at 2:38 PM

The Court Of Public Opinion Is On Arizona’s Side. I was reading the comments to that yahoo article above, and they were all siding with Arizona. Yahoo isn’t necessarily a Conservative or Liberal. The MSNBC poll had over 2 million votes so that’s a good sampling and they came out 95% in favor of Arizona’s Law. I would describe MSNBC as very Liberal.

Dr Evil on July 6, 2010 at 2:43 PM

Remember when Obama arrived at the White House and ran into a window thinking it was a door?

I think it was kind of a trend-setting action, myself.

Merovign on July 6, 2010 at 2:44 PM

Time to Qoute Rush

“One must put up barriers to keep oneself in tact.”

So simple yet so true.

Tony737 on July 6, 2010 at 2:45 PM

I wonder which “Constitutional genius lawyer” threw this together… it has the funny PC speak vibe, with zero substance mixed with a 12 year olds verbage as to Constitutional matters.

Odie1941 on July 6, 2010 at 2:43 PM

Valerie Jarrett maybe?

Dr Evil on July 6, 2010 at 2:46 PM

Furthermore, this is weak tea compared to the Obama administration’s rhetoric on the subject. They have spent the last three months declaring this unconstitutional on the basis of discrimination. If that were true, the government would have made that its primary argument. The fact that they’re going with pre-emption means that they’re conceding that the discrimination argument never held water — and that their accusations of bigotry against Arizonans were nothing more than demagoguery.

They’re throwing up a weak defense that’ll get tossed on its hindquarters to that they can demagogue the courts while claiming that “they tried.”

CDeb on July 6, 2010 at 2:46 PM

Dr Evil on July 6, 2010 at 2:43 PM

Agreed – its no brainer as to the legal precedance they claim – and the sentiments of Americans – even at liberal cess holes like MSNBC.

Dems and libs seem to be confusing “good economy ignorance” with “bad economy ignorance”

The former defines their existance, the latter the reality of how people actual think concerning the Arizona immigration law.

I have always believed – people elect Reps to get results, people elect Dems to spend results…

Odie1941 on July 6, 2010 at 2:47 PM

zero substance mixed with a 12 year olds verbage as to Constitutional matters.

Odie1941 on July 6, 2010 at 2:43 PM

Sounds like Obama himself, to me.

Daggett on July 6, 2010 at 2:48 PM

This is AWESOME!

Obama has ensured a Republican landslide with this idiotic move.

scarchin on July 6, 2010 at 2:49 PM

So let me get this straight. The federal government is going to sue the state of Arizona for doing the job that the federal government won’t do? Wonderful. What’s next? Really….what’s next?

milwife88 on July 6, 2010 at 1:42 PM

Well, what did you expect from the same people who believe the commerce clause allows them to criminalize not purchasing a product or service?

psrch on July 6, 2010 at 2:51 PM

I’m tempted to take down my US flag & put up an AZ flag instead.

itsnotaboutme on July 6, 2010 at 1:42 PM

That’s a great Idea. I am going to fly the Arizona State flag until we are no longer under siege from The United Communist states of Obama.

Badbrucskie on July 6, 2010 at 2:52 PM

Valerie Jarrett maybe?

Dr Evil on July 6, 2010 at 2:46 PM

I am thinking her, Holden and Bauer have been locked up in a room for the past 2 weeks, since Hill’s declaration; filled with crayons, photo copies of their law degrees and Caulderon’s speech.

Odie1941 on July 6, 2010 at 2:52 PM

Whoever threw this together was probably involved in the over reaching of passing Obamacare too…because that’s what this is Progressive over reaching. They seem unable to control themselves as if they were on some kind of mind altering substance ;)

Dr Evil on July 6, 2010 at 2:53 PM

Putting on my tinfoil:

Could the DOJ put forward such a flimsy argument hoping to lose so as to wash their hands of this election killer? I’m thinknig how the recently rendered MacDonald decision allowed dems to claim writing gun control laws was now out of their hands but more importantly it took an election year cudgel out of the GOP’s hands.

Mr Snuggle Bunny on July 6, 2010 at 1:47 PM

I’d call that far-fetched, but I seriously don’t see how they expect to win this case on such a weak basis. Which implies that either they don’t want to win the case, or they just don’t care whether they win the case.

If they don’t want to win, then it looks like you’re right. If they just don’t care, then they’re probably just after the political statement of filing the lawsuit in the first place.

tom on July 6, 2010 at 2:53 PM

Demagoguery is indignant. These are Masters of Deceit.

Schadenfreude on July 6, 2010 at 2:56 PM

Illegal Immigrants, er, Undocumented Workers Arizona – - – Doing the jobs job Americans the Federal Government won’t do

olesparkie on July 6, 2010 at 2:56 PM

I hope AZ calls Janet Napolitano as a defense witness. I remember when she sent a bill to the Feds for the costs incurred by illegals.
I want her to testify as to how the AZ law interferes with Federal efforts. Not.

redshirt on July 6, 2010 at 2:57 PM

I am thinking her, Holden and Bauer have been locked up in a room for the past 2 weeks, since Hill’s declaration; filled with crayons, photo copies of their law degrees and Caulderon’s speech.

Odie1941 on July 6, 2010 at 2:52 PM

GRIN, I just can’t figure out why no one in this Administration gets the public mood in this country. It always goes back to the ECONOMY. They are insistent that they are going to force that square block into that round hole. They can’t make it fit even when they try to force it.

Dr Evil on July 6, 2010 at 2:57 PM

If they don’t want to win, then it looks like you’re right. If they just don’t care, then they’re probably just after the political statement of filing the lawsuit in the first place.

tom on July 6, 2010 at 2:53 PM

Maybe Hussain just wants judges to stop AZ from implementing the law until Nov 2010. After that , Hussain will have another crisis lined up to issue an EO and get the illegals to vote for him.

macncheez on July 6, 2010 at 2:58 PM

AZ needs to turn around an sue the federal government for not upholding the laws of the land.

Fallon on July 6, 2010 at 3:01 PM

Let your friends know that Obama is suing Americans for helping him peform his duties. Handing aliens to ICE should be every Americans right.

PrezHussein on July 6, 2010 at 3:04 PM

So everywhere there is overlap then there is pre-emption? Who decides? Sounds flaky to me, no substance, playing to the illegals, and haven’t we had enough of that?

Obowma needs to take a chill pill and figure out his ADMINISTRATIVE tyranny will not work in America.

Did Justice Kennedy already take sides? Did the Second Amendment warn the feds about controlling everything not going to work? And why haven’t they sued the States who have so far passed State Gun Law Nullification of federal override cases?

And you wonder why it was so important that the 17th Amendment be repealed, so we could no longer have the Schumer Seat, instead of it reverts to New York’s Senate seat. Ever heard of unfunded mandates? Consider how mush more freedom we as CITIZENS would have if it were still New York’s STATE Senate seat.

tarpon on July 6, 2010 at 3:06 PM

It’s been filed. Time for the popcorn to start

ConservativePartyNow on July 6, 2010 at 2:30 PM

The ACLU filed the suit. That’s not the same as AG Holder filing the suit.

Dr Evil on July 6, 2010 at 2:32 PM

Either way, buy stock…in….Janet Brewer.

Schadenfreude on July 6, 2010 at 3:14 PM

Odie1941 on July 6, 2010 at 2:43 PM

crr6

chemman on July 6, 2010 at 3:18 PM

I’m thunderstruck at the arrogance of these federal dopes. Are they really attempting to argue that they have the right to ignore their own laws, and that state governments just have to suck it up and resign themselves to this dereliction and buggary?

I cannot WAIT for Scalia to get his hands on this. This is destined for SCOTUS.

CantCureStupid on July 6, 2010 at 3:19 PM

Valerie Jarrett maybe?

Dr Evil on July 6, 2010 at 2:46 PM

I am thinking her, Holden and Bauer have been locked up in a room for the past 2 weeks, since Hill’s declaration; filled with crayons, photo copies of their law degrees and Caulderon’s speech.

Odie1941 on July 6, 2010 at 2:52 PM

I would be afraid to go in that room. It would be like a freak show or carnival. You’d open the door and there’d be Holder and Jarrett with crayon all over the walls and on their faces..some kind of freaky German industrial rock and a midget would walk past you, speaking backwards.

Maybe just lob a grenade in there and shut the door?

GTR640 on July 6, 2010 at 3:26 PM

It means there is something worse going on that we don’t know about. This is really a diversion temper tantrum. – tomas on July 6, 2010 at 2:13 PM
Fixed it for ya….

TeresainFortWorth on July 6, 2010 at 3:33 PM

The fact that they’re going with pre-emption means that they’re conceding that the discrimination argument never held water — and that their accusations of bigotry against Arizonans were nothing more than demagoguery slander.

FIFY

dominigan on July 6, 2010 at 3:35 PM

the law hasn’t taken effect yet.

crr6 on July 6, 2010 at 2:06 PM

Which is exactly why O’Kickass said to file the lawsuit NOW.

You must be very proud of him.

Del Dolemonte on July 6, 2010 at 3:46 PM

MSNBC vote: (http://tinyurl.com/3az2ovw)

95.8% Yes
2,122,414 votes

4.2% No
93,261 votes

pambi on July 6, 2010 at 3:48 PM

Pre-emption indicates taking over a program already in progress. How has AZ done this? The feds aren’t doing anything to enforce the law in AZ.

MochaLite on July 6, 2010 at 3:55 PM

S.B. 1070 also interferes with U.S. foreign affairs priorities and rejects any
concern for humanitarian interests or broader security objectives, and will thus harm a range
of U.S. interests.

This theme seems to be the heart of their preemption argument. That SB1070 puts a constraint on the feds ability to waive or otherwise choose what and when they will enforce existing federal law.

In administering these laws, the federal
agencies balance the complex – and often competing – objectives that animate federal
immigration law and policy.

‘competing objectives’ eh….now that I can believe. But it should be fun to hear the federal argue that it can ignore law if they have a different ‘objective’.

Fighton03 on July 6, 2010 at 3:59 PM

Would the States be able to sue the EPA if the EPA refused to enforce environmental protection laws?

Would the States be able to enforce environmental protection laws if the EPA refused to enforce them?

jaime on July 6, 2010 at 4:09 PM

And more to the point – would the federal government prevail in a suit against a State if that State, on its own and at its own expense, took environmental measurements and sent the measurements to the EPA for enforcement?

jaime on July 6, 2010 at 4:17 PM

Valerie Jarret? you must kidding they brought in the big guns, this was written by the smartest law school administrator ever nominated to the Supreme Court Elena Kagan!!

odannyboy on July 6, 2010 at 4:23 PM

The real question left unasked is … “Where’s the Beef ?”

Where is the argument against “possible profiling” yada yada etc. ??

J_Crater on July 6, 2010 at 4:26 PM

I’m furious that the feds are going ahead with this lawsuit. Tying this up in court is not going to protect AZ residents. Neither will the big danger/warning signs the federal govt plastered throughout AZ south of Interstate-8.

AZ news stations are now reporting that the Mexican Mafia and drug cartel have put out a “green light” contract on Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu. The green light contract means the hitman is paid to murder Babeu. If the hitman doesn’t carry it out, then he and his family may be murdered.
http://www.kpho.com/video/24152005/index.html

GrannySunni on July 6, 2010 at 4:29 PM

I just read the complaint: it seems like this admission

“The United States understands the State of Arizona’s legitimate concerns about illegal immigration, and has undertaken significant efforts to secure our nation’s borders. The federal government, moreover, welcomes cooperative efforts by states and localities to aid in the enforcement of the nation’s immigration laws. But the United States Constitution forbids Arizona from supplanting the federal government’s immigration regime with its own state-specific immigration policy…”

Because the Arizona law doesn’t supplant the federal law, it just assists in the enforcement, I guess the feds should be welcoming the law. After reading this, I think it was brought only to passify the liberal base. I don’t think it has any chance of winning.

LASue on July 6, 2010 at 4:38 PM

The case is assigned to Judge Neil V. Wake. Nominated by President Bush on Oct. 22, 2003, Mr. Wake had his hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Jan. 22, 2004, and was favorably reported out of committee on March 4, 2004.
A Phoenix native, Mr. Wake, 61, had been in private practice, specializing in commercial, administrative and constitutional litigation, appellate practice and Indian law. He served as a judge pro tempore on the Arizona Court of Appeals in 1985, 1992 and 1996-98, and is co-author of the Arizona Appellate Handbook.

J_Crater on July 6, 2010 at 4:38 PM

J_Carter — Thanks for the information. I don’t know the judge, but he sounds like a good get.

LASue on July 6, 2010 at 4:41 PM

How many lawyer jobs will this create or save?

GRRRR! Mr. President, do your effing job. Secure our border.

Laura in Maryland on July 6, 2010 at 4:44 PM

GrannySunni on July 6, 2010 at 4:29 PM

This sounds weird but I’ve been thinking lately that someone needs to put out PSA’s targeting recreational drug users. Something along the lines of their drug use is causing violence. The hardcore addicts won’t give a crap but maybe the recreational users would stop or cut back if it was shown that their demand is causing real problems.

mrsmwp on July 6, 2010 at 4:45 PM

The fact that they’re going with pre-emption means that they’re conceding that the discrimination argument never held water — and that their accusations of bigotry against Arizonans were nothing more than demagoguery.

Nice way to put it — they called us bigots, racists, un-American, etc. The prior commenter was right; it was beyond demagoguery, it was outright slander. Against the citizens of an entire state; a state under seige from vicious foreign drug cartels; an economically struggling state whose taxpayers are forced to expend billions of extra tax dollars every year paying for schooling, health care, law enforcement, and other costs directly attributable to the hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens who live here in flagrant violation of our laws.

And this lawsuit, beyond being a ludicrous waste of U.S. (and AZ) taxpayer dollars, is nothing but a blatant attempt by the shameless Obama administration to pander to its hispanic constituency. Barry had the 60 votes in the Senate, and could have rammed through amnesty if he really wanted it, but he didn’t. Now he’s hoping he can distract disgruntled hispanic voters with this sham of a lawsuit. The administration knows it will ultimately lose the suit, but they’ll trumpet their efforts as proof that they’re really on hispanics’ side against all us “un-American bigots” in AZ.

AZCoyote on July 6, 2010 at 5:00 PM

Does this mean that state and local police have no jurisdiction to enforce federal drug laws if they don’t violate state or local law? Terrorism? Wire fraud?

Federal election law?

BobMbx on July 6, 2010 at 5:01 PM

Cut Obama some slack. This is his first real job.

Django on July 6, 2010 at 5:02 PM

Living in California, home of Cal-OSHA and Cal-EPA, I’m intrigued by this pre-emption concept. Can we get California’s expensive and redundant government bureaucracies eliminated?

Bueller? Bueller?

cthulhu on July 6, 2010 at 5:07 PM

The feds are saying We have complete discretion in enforcing immigration law. We choose not to enforce most of the law. Arizona is interfering with our diplomatic wizardry and should just STFU and keep cleaning up the bodies.

motionview on July 6, 2010 at 5:07 PM

This pre-emption argument can not apply just to immigration, just in Arizonia. If the DOJ is going to make that argument it has to apply in everything. Sanctuary Cities, Medical Marijuana, labor law, the environment, every where that the Federal government has legislated.

They have to be making the case that Federal Law pre-empts state law *everywhere*.

Skandia Recluse on July 6, 2010 at 5:08 PM

Those gun control immigration laws were enacted by democratically elected representatives. if there really was some sort of consensus within the community that the laws weren’t necessary or desirable, you never would have had to resort to trying to the judicial branch to overturn them.

crr6 on July 5, 2010 at 4:15 PM

lorien1973 on July 6, 2010 at 5:10 PM

Maybe I’m mistaken, but I think we’re observing the meltdown of a bully. Jan Brewer got in Obama’s grill and called Obama’s bluff. And now we see that all Obama has is d**k in his hand. But Obama has no one to blame but himself. He walked himself out on this plank. Now, Jan Brewer, right-thinking AZers, and right-thinking Americans are going to saw it off behind him.

BuckeyeSam on July 6, 2010 at 5:12 PM

Maybe I missed it, but have they read the law yet?

txmomof6 on July 6, 2010 at 5:18 PM

And more to the point – would the federal government prevail in a suit against a State if that State, on its own and at its own expense, took environmental measurements and sent the measurements to the EPA for enforcement?

jaime on July 6, 2010 at 4:17 PM

Uh, states do have their own environmental agencies. These are in addition to the EPA regional offices.

Unfortunately, I do not know how they interact on overlapping issues, but the Indiana agency (IDEM) recently had a big flap over allowing BP (yes, that BP) to dump more into Lake Michigan. They met the standard according to law and so were allowed to increase. Never heard a word about the feds getting involved.

IrishEyes on July 6, 2010 at 5:18 PM

Cut Obama some slack. This is his first real job.

Django on July 6, 2010 at 5:02 PM

I’d laugh, if this weren’t so woefully true.

IrishEyes on July 6, 2010 at 5:20 PM

I think the situation with illegal immigrants would be clarified if we started calling them undocumented Democrats. I didn’t invent that phrase, but I like it.

Hermeticus on July 6, 2010 at 5:20 PM

And more to the point – would the federal government prevail in a suit against a State if that State, on its own and at its own expense, took environmental measurements and sent the measurements to the EPA for enforcement?

jaime on July 6, 2010 at 4:17 PM

LOL, my State (NH) has been doing that since the early 1970s.

Del Dolemonte on July 6, 2010 at 5:21 PM

ummm… on a similar vein check out stuff over at http://www.pajamasmedia.com by J. Christian Adams and the NBPP issue going on….

try to contain yourself and check out this video…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x0dM7fR1WQ&feature=player_embedded

and ask yourself, from which side is the hate coming from. This is chilling.

ted c on July 6, 2010 at 5:25 PM

Now that suit has been filed, Arizona needs to file a counterclaim against the Federal government for the costs it has borne of illegal immigration attributable to the failure of the government to enforce the border.

txmomof6 on July 6, 2010 at 5:26 PM

Many states would have a 0 budget deficit (or a surplus) without the burden that illegal immigrants put on tax payers.

lorien1973 on July 6, 2010 at 5:27 PM

Would the States be able to sue the EPA if the EPA refused to enforce environmental protection laws?

jaime on July 6, 2010 at 4:09 PM

Some states (mine included) did sue the EPA during the evil Bush years, as a matter of fact.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121971128686071337.html

New York and 11 other states sued the Environmental Protection Agency, claiming it failed to regulate global-warming gas emissions from refineries.

In a lawsuit filed in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia, the states said the EPA’s air-pollution-control regulations for refineries violate the Clean Air Act because they don’t include standards to control greenhouse-gas emissions from new or updated equipment.

“The EPA’s refusal to control pollution from oil refineries is the latest example of the Bush administration’s do-nothing policy on global warming,” Andrew M. Cuomo, New York’s attorney general, said in a statement.

Timothy Lyons, a spokesman for the EPA, said that the attorneys general could better spend their time and taxpayers’ dollars by encouraging Congress to “take sound environmental action on legislation.” The agency is now taking public comments that it will consider for potential regulations on greenhouse gases under the Clean Air act that would address emissions from vehicles as well as manufacturing plants such as refineries, he added.

Del Dolemonte on July 6, 2010 at 5:28 PM

95.8% Yes
2,122,414 votes

4.2% No
93,261 votes

pambi on July 6, 2010 at 3:48 PM

Pant Load continues to raise the standard of Tone Deaf.

BigWyo on July 6, 2010 at 5:28 PM

You’d think liberals would happy that Arizona found a way to fix 100% of its budget deficit without cutting a single teacher or government employee or cutting a single salary.

lorien1973 on July 6, 2010 at 5:29 PM

Is this what the Democrats used to call a wedge issue?

txmomof6 on July 6, 2010 at 5:30 PM

On page 24 of the Justice department request to set aside the AZ law – they list the COMMERCE CLAUSE as a reason – the feds are claiming that Az has NO RIGHT to RESTRICT in any way the TRANSFER of ILLEGAL labor ACROSS their state!

Freddy on July 6, 2010 at 5:32 PM

Freddy on July 6, 2010 at 5:32 PM
So those human trafficers kill or maime somebody in AZ and they can’t be prosecuted by the local law enforcement?

txmomof6 on July 6, 2010 at 5:37 PM

This may be a good legal tactic (I don’t know), but it’s death for them politically. The only point of pursuing a case in court was to motivate the base for turnout in an off year election. I don’t see huge demonstrations against AZ’s law when the issue becomes the supremacy clause. “No pre-emption, No peace!” is not going to get the long hairs off the couch.

Ted Torgerson on July 6, 2010 at 5:45 PM

“Justice Department officials believe that enforcing immigration laws is a federal responsibility, the sources said. …”

Then fulfill your “responsibility,” Feds, or get out of the way.

cs89 on July 6, 2010 at 5:52 PM

Ted Torgerson on July 6, 2010 at 5:45 PM

I think this will produce a Reaganesque landslide this fall

ConservativePartyNow on July 6, 2010 at 5:53 PM

Assuming that the Feds were to prevail on this basis, wouldn’t that mean that all the sanctuary city laws would be shot down at the same time?

TexasDan on July 6, 2010 at 5:55 PM

So law enforcement in the state and the cities should turn down training from the Fed regarding illegal immigration? Should our local police turn a blind eye to bank robberies?

CWforFreedom on July 6, 2010 at 5:56 PM

MO: “Barack, I just looked out on the front lawn and there’s an a$$ out there. And somebody dug a hole, too. What’s going on?”

BHO: “Don’t ask me. I looked out there and I couldn’t tell one from the other.”

Yoop on July 6, 2010 at 5:57 PM

MO: “Barack, I just looked out on the front lawn and there’s an a$$ out there. And somebody dug a hole, too. What’s going on?”

BHO: “Don’t ask me. I looked out there and I couldn’t tell one from the other.”

Yoop on July 6, 2010 at 5:57 PM

lmfao–so you’re saying he can’t tell his burro from a hole in the ground

ElectricPhase on July 6, 2010 at 6:11 PM

So, when we mainstream the ILLEGALS into legal citizens, they are supposed to have been here for a certain number of years and pay back taxes. Therefore when they are asked, “how long have you been here and what was your means of support?” How will they answer that one? How many employers will be on the hook for all of their back taxes? Will this be the unintended consequence? Those that have ignored our laws will be ensnared in the net. What a fight this will set up! Meanwhile I think the ILLEGALS should jump in the truck and go home!

holymoly on July 6, 2010 at 6:22 PM

So let me pose this question. Does the government even WANT to win this suit? Or is this perhaps just so they can play some lip service to the mexicans to try and keep their votes.

I’m thinking that the WH is glad (in private) that Arizona is trying to do something that they are apparently too inept to do, but happily denigrate it in public for the mexican vote.

KSgop on July 6, 2010 at 6:29 PM

On page 24 of the Justice department request to set aside the AZ law – they list the COMMERCE CLAUSE as a reason – the feds are claiming that Az has NO RIGHT to RESTRICT in any way the TRANSFER of ILLEGAL labor ACROSS their state!

Freddy on July 6, 2010 at 5:32 PM

Gee, I guess crr6 did get a summer internship at DOJ. Way to go, kid!

Del Dolemonte on July 6, 2010 at 6:30 PM

Many states would have a 0 budget deficit (or a surplus) without the burden that illegal immigrants put on tax payers.

lorien1973 on July 6, 2010 at 5:27 PM

Illegal Immigration Costs U.S. $113 Billion a Year, Study Finds”

Schadenfreude on July 6, 2010 at 6:34 PM

The DOJ is actually seeking costs from Arizona!!!!

LASue on July 6, 2010 at 6:35 PM

Gee, what a shock-this steaming heap was “written” by O’bama Assistant “Attorney General” Tony West. Oakland lawyer.

And guess what? There’s more:

Tony West was nominated by President Barack Obama to be the Assistant Attorney General for the Justice Department’s Civil Division on January 22, 2009. He was confirmed by the U.S. Senate on April 20, 2009.

From 1993 through 1994, he served as a Special Assistant in the Department under the direction of U.S. Deputy Attorneys General Philip Heymann and Jamie Gorelick, as well as Attorney General Janet Reno. Mr. West worked on the development of national crime policy, including the 1994 Omnibus Crime Bill. From 1994 to 1999, Mr. West served as an Assistant U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of California.

Mr. West later served as state Special Assistant Attorney General, an appointee of California Attorney General Bill Lockyer. In that capacity, he advised the California Attorney General on various matters including high-tech crime, identity theft, the Microsoft antitrust litigation, police officer training, civil rights, and police misconduct.

Prior to his return to the Justice Department, Mr. West was a litigation partner at Morrison & Foerster in San Francisco. His trial practice there included representing individuals and companies in civil and criminal matters.

Mr. West graduated with honors from Harvard College, where he served as publisher of the Harvard Political Review, and received his law degree from Stanford Law School, where he was elected President of the Stanford Law Review.

Del Dolemonte on July 6, 2010 at 6:38 PM

Obama’s argument might make some sense if the JDept were also suing “sanctuary cities” citing pre-emption for the cities’ actual and quite obvious overruling of Federal immigration law.

whatcat on July 6, 2010 at 6:42 PM

I’m just a paralegal but…

It seems to me that the Eleventh Amendment could be stretched to cover this suit. If the 11th isn’t enough, then sovereign immunity surely could be. And the case seems to be one that should have been filed in the Supreme Court under its original jurisdiction.

Nonetheless, it is my considered opinion that this case should fall on a 12(b)(6) motion. To me, it is a sloppy piece of work that lacks merit and borders on frivolous. If I had a Bar card, there would be no way I’d sign this pile.

I’ve seen much better quality complaints written by pro se litigants. These attorneys should be ashamed but good libtards never forget that old saying: Being a libtard means never having to say you’re sorry.

platypus on July 6, 2010 at 6:47 PM

Therefore when they are asked, “how long have you been here and what was your means of support?” How will they answer that one? How many employers will be on the hook for all of their back taxes? Will this be the unintended consequence?
- holymoly

Not to mention the millions of Americans who have had their Social Security numbers and other IDs stolen by illegals.

whatcat on July 6, 2010 at 6:47 PM

Regarding field preemption:

This sub-species of the Supremacy Clause states that even without a conflict between state and federal law, or without an express declaration by Congress that the federal law will be supreme, the state law may be overwritten if the federal regulatory scheme is so pervasive as to “occupy the field” of the area of law in question, in this case, immigration law.

This would be a tenable argument *if* the federales had shown any intention of enforcing the law. Since they’re not doing their job, it ought to be extremely difficult for them to turn around and tell the states, “You can’t do that. It’s our job.”

I say it ought to be extremely difficult, but in this day and age, who knows?

gryphon202 on July 6, 2010 at 6:47 PM

I say it ought to be extremely difficult, but in this day and age, who knows?

gryphon202 on July 6, 2010 at 6:47 PM

Jug Ears (aka Duh Won) knows. And he knows the Chicago way.

platypus on July 6, 2010 at 6:50 PM

This is, without any question, the biggest travesty of justice and the greatest misuse of federal power I have ever seen!

The Obama Administration has not done one damned thing about the current illegal immigration situation except make B.S. speeches on the matter.

Arizona and Governor Jan Brewer finally did something about the situation themselves, and now they are being sued for it?!!!

I hope the DOJ ends up with egg all over its face over this one! And that Eric Holder be held accountable for this flagrant misuse of his own power as AG!

And I thought Janet Reno was a joke, until Holder showed up!

pilamaye on July 6, 2010 at 7:05 PM

So they could not claim discrimination and the best they could come up with was that Arizona did the Federal Government’s job for them? Brilliant.

kingsjester on July 6, 2010 at 7:08 PM

lmfao–so you’re saying he can’t tell his burro from a hole in the ground

ElectricPhase on July 6, 2010 at 6:11 PM

Can’t tell a burro from a burrow, eh?

:-)

Mary in LA on July 6, 2010 at 7:09 PM

The Progressives HAD to challenge this in the hopes a sympathetic Judge would overturn the “States Rights”!

The key to stopping the whole socialist/marxist agenda is States Rights!

Imagine the States demanding all Federal Taxes be paid to the States and then forwarded to the Feds by the States. Forward those Taxes less unfunded mandates, less funds taken illegally as bribes to act as the Feds want, ie. Highway funds for speed limit and seat belt laws.

Imagine Governors and Attny generals tellin Pinnochio to pound sand on his healthcare mandates and passing laws exempting their entire state from that crap sandwhich!
Imagine the doctors and patients flocking to those states allowing the free flow of healthcare services sans the Feds strangle hold!

If the Fed gets away with institutionalizing its’ incompetence in this case for purely political purposes (comprehesive immigration reform) whats next a law preventing the stoppage of the LEAK until Pinnochio gets his Crap and Tax Bill?

dhunter on July 6, 2010 at 7:10 PM

So what is the DOJ’s take on sanctuary cities?

CWforFreedom on July 6, 2010 at 7:20 PM

I don’t think it matters to Obama if he wins or loses.I think he is trying to get the Hispanic vote. “See I tried to protect you,but the evil Republicans got in the way. Vote for the Democrats, especially me.”

sandee on July 6, 2010 at 7:27 PM

don’t think it matters to Obama if he wins or loses.I think he is trying to get the Hispanic vote. “See I tried to protect you,but the evil Republicans got in the way. Vote for the Democrats, especially me.”

sandee on July 6, 2010 at 7:27 PM

+100. I’m sure that was part of the equation.

But when the DOJ loses, I hope the floodgates open and the other 49 (56?) states pass identical laws. That would be some “comprehensive reform” I could support!

LASue on July 6, 2010 at 7:36 PM

S.B. 1070 also interferes with U.S. foreign affairs priorities and rejects any
concern for humanitarian interests or broader security objectives, and will thus harm a range
of U.S. interests.

This theme seems to be the heart of their preemption argument. That SB1070 puts a constraint on the feds ability to waive or otherwise choose what and when they will enforce existing federal law.

How exactly are our “US foreign affairs priorities” or “broader security objectives” harmed by this law? Are our US foreign affairs priorities a message to any and all that we do not respect or value our own borders? Our national security would be enhanced through this tandem law, it seems to me.

Are our federal laws not concerned with murder, kidnapping, human trafficking, and drug smuggling? Local and state law enforcement is a plus in eliminating the threats to our civil society.

It is the lawless human traffickers who disdain “humanitarian interests,” not the state and local LEs.

The federal government’s objections sound awfully squishy and nebulous.

ICE appears to be reluctant to discharge its duties. Why?

onlineanalyst on July 6, 2010 at 7:44 PM

Arizona,

Texas says punch em’ in the gut.

Limerick on July 6, 2010 at 7:44 PM

Holder was trained by Reno. Holder is Reno.

Limerick on July 6, 2010 at 7:45 PM

This sub-species of the Supremacy Clause states that even without a conflict between state and federal law, or without an express declaration by Congress that the federal law will be supreme,

Okay, so that means as an employer I can pay my employees Federal minimum wage despite what the State minimum wage is?

How bout smog laws?

Currently With minimum wage a State can have a higher than Federal minimum wage but not a lower minimum wage.

With smog laws, a State can have MORE restrictive smog laws but not LESS restrictive than Federal laws.

It seems both of these trump Fed laws.

Why would this be different?

DSchoen on July 6, 2010 at 7:50 PM

I don’t see how this will fly since the Arizona law still leaves enforcement up to the federal government. Doesn’t the Arizona law simply say that people found in violation will be turned over to the federal government? It would then be up to the feds to either prosecute the case or not.

Also, would such a ruling potentially void similar laws in states like California that have been on the books for years?

crosspatch on July 6, 2010 at 2:20 PM

First question, not as I read it. What it does is make being in the state of Arizona illegally basically a criminal trespassing charge. Yes, they will forward the information to the federal authorities, but in the meantime they will be prosecuting the illegal alien on the state level.

At least, that’s how I understood the law to be.

ButterflyDragon on July 6, 2010 at 7:56 PM

I’m told the system is fixable. We just have to vote them out and our folks in. Really? Works fine until another carpetbagger from Timbuctoo pulls out the smoke and mirrors and gets voted back in. Dogs chasing tails.

Limerick on July 6, 2010 at 8:00 PM

try to contain yourself and check out this video…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0×0dM7fR1WQ&feature=player_embedded

and ask yourself, from which side is the hate coming from. This is chilling.

ted c on July 6, 2010 at 5:25 PM

You would think that Janet Napolitano would have her sights on this obvious hate group that promotes “killing crackers.” Isn’t this an incitement to chaos and lawlessness?

onlineanalyst on July 6, 2010 at 8:11 PM

Isn’t this an incitement to chaos and lawlessness?

onlineanalyst on July 6, 2010 at 8:11 PM

ummmm….yep! looks that way to me.

ted c on July 6, 2010 at 8:23 PM

The filing makes no assertion that the law is discriminatory or risks being applied in a discriminatory fashion, as the president and other officials said they feared would be the case. Interestingly, this suit makes no civil rights charges against the Arizona law.

did you hear that opponents of the law?

I didn’t think so….they will continue with their smear campaign…

cmsinaz on July 6, 2010 at 8:30 PM

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