Time to nuke the Gulf leak?
posted at 8:50 pm on July 5, 2010 by Ed Morrissey
Call it the Option That Will Not Die. As long as oil continues to spew into the Gulf at a rate that equals the Exxon Valdex every three days, the crisis will look desperate enough for the most desperate measures. And one measure is about as desperate as it gets:
A nuclear fix to the leaking well has been touted online and in the occasional newspaper op-ed for weeks now. Washington has repeatedly dismissed the idea and BP execs say they are not considering an explosion — nuclear or otherwise. But as a series of efforts to plug the 60,000 barrels of oil a day gushing from the sea floor have failed, talk of an extreme solution refuses to die.
For some, blasting the problem seems the most logical answer in the world. Mikhailov has had a distinguished career in the nuclear field, helping to close a Soviet Union program that used nuclear explosions to seal gas leaks. Ordinarily he’s an opponent of nuclear blasts, but he says an underwater explosion in the Gulf of Mexico would not be harmful and could cost no more than $10 million. That compares with the $3 billion BP has paid out in cleanup and compensation costs so far. “This option is worth the money,” he says.
And it’s not just Soviet boffins. Milo Nordyke, one of the masterminds behind U.S. research into peaceful nuclear energy in the 1960s and ’70s says a nuclear explosion is a logical last-resort solution for BP and the government. Matthew Simmons, a former energy adviser to U.S. President George W. Bush and the founder of energy investment-banking firm Simmons & Company International, is another calling for the nuclear option.
Even former U.S. President Bill Clinton has voiced support for the idea of an explosion to stem the flow of oil, albeit one using conventional materials rather than nukes. “Unless we send the Navy down deep to blow up the well and cover the leak with piles and piles and piles of rock and debris, which may become necessary … unless we are going to do that, we are dependent on the technical expertise of these people from BP,” Clinton told the Fortune/Time/CNN Global Forum in South Africa on June 29.
The conventional blast doesn’t sound like it would work. The reasoning goes that the force and the heat of a nuke would effectively seal the hole and cracks in the field, as well as give it that healthy glow all young seabeds desire. Blasting it with conventional weapons might just make the situation worse, which is why Clinton added the ‘rocks and debris’ proviso. Unfortunately, that sounds like a replay of “top kill,” which turned out to be impractical at that depth.
Furthermore, the Russians (then Soviets) had practical experience at this kind of intervention, as the article mentions. At least one of those blasts were apparently above the surface, though, and not all of them were entirely successful. Getting it half done with a nuke would make it almost impossible to fix it any further, it would seem, except with another top-kill operation, and a nuclear blast in the immediate area just might complicate those efforts.
We still have other options on the table. BP is in the process of drilling relief wells that, if successful, will greatly reduce the pressure at the damaged wellhead and perhaps give BP a chance to cap it completely. That won’t take place until August, though, so the best idea is probably to sit tight and wait it out, or try other methods of capping it short of a cataclysmic explosion. The nuclear option is in this case a literal nuclear option and should be used only in the final extremity, it at all.
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With this administration it would be: ‘Ooopsie! Now where did that nuke disappear to….’
Plus no data that there will not be any fractures from a nuke that might actually make matters worse. Is there any real support on the competence of this administration to do anything?
And the moment this administration thinks nukes are the answer, then what sort of questions will get it? I shudder to think that anyone thinks this is a good idea.
ajacksonian on July 6, 2010 at 12:16 PM
Yeah, but will nuking the oil well reach out to the Islamic world and make them feel better about themselves for their contribution to science and civilization?
Narniaman on July 6, 2010 at 12:33 PM
The use of the term “significant” here is interesting. Just how much radioactive oil on the Gulf beach does it take to qualify as significant? I guess that if there was a report of ANY radioactive oil on those beaches after such a stunt, the tourism industry there will be dead for the next 100 years. And I for one would never, ever eat shrimp again that I was not certain came from someplace other than the Gulf region.
MikeA on July 6, 2010 at 12:40 PM
I read some comments. Some things to consider:
1-The Russians did try this and succeeded mostly, but it was not underwater. The repercussions worry me.
2-There are faults on the Caribbean Sea area, next to Puerto Rico, which you can imagine how I feel if that island has “The Big One” (they’ve been waiting for that like CA).
3-What puzzles me, is if this is the GULF OF MEXICO, what has the country of MEXICO to help/speak about it/alter any of their Constitution to intervene-help? I mean, do they effin’ care? They can’t use their military unless they are attacked; that’s one example I want to bring up. *snicker*
4-I’d throw in our NASA engineers to help out, but…well, they have other more important, significant priorities. In the meantime, we have tons of scrap metal in Houston and Cape Cañaveral. Maybe use all that scrap metal and dunk it in. When I write “scrap metal”, I mean the shuttles, the new rockets that we will not use again, launching pads, transportation to/from the astronauts, the 747 shuttle top attachment, etc. etc. Heh might as well toss in there Mission Control…I expect a new MC half English, half Arabic. Just sayin’.
ProudPalinFan on July 6, 2010 at 12:41 PM
I forgot to add that I voted for the “No Way!” for the first two reasons I posted above. What would Mexico and Mexicans think about being nuked nearby?
I know is underwater and all that jazz, I also don’t want Louisianans to eat nor sell a Simpsons-type 3-eyed fish (LOL!)
ProudPalinFan on July 6, 2010 at 12:44 PM
We need to build a gigantic levee from the southern tip of Texas to the southern tip of Florida. Then pump the water out and let the oil flow. Goodbye Arab oil. Goodbye windmills. Hello energy independence.
RedWinged Blackbird on July 6, 2010 at 12:45 PM
Well, I am gonna die, I want it to be a blast and a hell of a trip. I’m in.
ProudPalinFan on July 6, 2010 at 12:50 PM
Hey, Hey, My, My
The oil spill will never die
It’s better to nuke it
Then let it spill away
Hey, Hey, My, My
BDU-33 on July 6, 2010 at 1:17 PM
“The use of the term “significant” here is interesting. Just how much radioactive oil on the Gulf beach does it take to qualify as significant? I guess that if there was a report of ANY radioactive oil on those beaches after such a stunt, the tourism industry there will be dead for the next 100 years. And I for one would never, ever eat shrimp again that I was not certain came from someplace other than the Gulf region.
MikeA on July 6, 2010 at 12:40 PM”
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Mike – how about buying my handy-dandy Cajun seafood Geiger counter?
I sense an entrepreneurial opportunity here. Who’s in?
;-)
cane_loader on July 6, 2010 at 1:24 PM
I forgot to add that I voted for the “No Way!” for the first two reasons I posted above. What would Mexico and Mexicans think about being nuked nearby?….
ProudPalinFan on July 6, 2010 at 12:44 PM
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I have to tell you in all seriousness that after Calderon’s stunt at the White House, having my home state be invaded by Mexico, and then the invasion follow me east a few years later to the land of my fathers, I don’t give a flying F* what Mexico thinks about a nuclear explosion. Seriously, I view Mexico as an enemy country on our border.
Not pushing the nuke option unreservedly, as I too have a bad feeling about disturbing a fractured seafloor. But again, I do not care one whit what Mexico thinks, and if it hurt Mexico, I wouldn’t care, either.
cane_loader on July 6, 2010 at 1:29 PM
I’ve been incommunicado, running the river. So here’s a belated 4th of July post.
I’m wondering how much of Bobby Jindal’s interviews are being aired in the rest of the USA. I was watching the New Orleans TV station (WWL-TV) on the 4th, and they had a 10-minute one-on-one with Bobby, down at the Gulf.
He detailed from memory, bang, bang, bang, bang, exactly how the Obama administration is handcuffing him, and how stupid it is.
I tell you, having been in the middle of Hurricane Gustav in 2008, and watching him on my generator-powered, rabbit-ears TV, in the aftermath, rattle off every single detail of the government response from memory, and being so impressed with him (and glad I voted for him), that I wish Bobby Jindal were president.
I would sleep much better.
I know he’s young, but I’m starting to think that he’s my man for 2012 – even better than Palin, due to the successful character assassination the media pulled on her.
Jindal/Daniels? (or fill in the blank) 2012.
cane_loader on July 6, 2010 at 1:36 PM
Repeat, as politically aware Louisiana resident who has watched his career for 8 years, I an telling America that Bobby Jindal is ready to be president RIGHT NOW :-)
cane_loader on July 6, 2010 at 1:38 PM
How about Jindal/Giuliani?
(Knocks out the “inexperience” factor)
cane_loader on July 6, 2010 at 1:40 PM
I’m not knowledgeable on any of this, but I’ve been reading that this well was problematic from the beginning because of the high methane content, there is a large bubble of methane gas under the seabed in the area of the well, the well bore is fractured, and oil is leaking out from those fractures, through fissures in the sea floor. Also, as the leaks continue, they erode the well bore further, and it will eventually completely collapse. I’d like to just know the impact on all of this on the nuclear scenario before any bombs are set off.
mbs on July 6, 2010 at 2:08 PM
FTW!
steveegg on July 6, 2010 at 2:20 PM
I’m all for a small, controlled nuke but since the best and the brightest of our government still can’t do basic volume measure to figure out how much oil is spilling into the Gulf I wouldn’t trust them with a pack of matches!
PatriotPete on July 6, 2010 at 2:31 PM
solution: make a large beer bong 20 ft at base and 40 ft at top. put small flotation collar at top and weights at bottom to keep up right. attach to 5000 ft of oil pipe lower over well head and just let the lighter oil rise to the surface for the next 20 years.
joe price
jpcpt03@comcast.net
jpcpt03 on July 6, 2010 at 2:38 PM
joe-
that would be too simple, and cost union jobs, you lunkhead!
cane_loader on July 6, 2010 at 2:56 PM
Are the “scientists” promoting such nuclear explosions the same that promoted global warming gone climate change?
That Bill Clinton is advising Obama to nuclear bomb our Gulf is NOT reassuring. What scientific credentials does Clinton have other than NONE?
Poisoning the Gulf with nuclear explosions would be the cherry on Obama’s oil gusher to infinity and beyond. There are so many fissures from the well’s initial explosion, they’ll only open further, multiply and compound the catastrophe.
maverick muse on July 6, 2010 at 3:07 PM
Pretty good ticket there.
maverick muse on July 6, 2010 at 3:10 PM
No doubt, our Gulf well’s reserve would end up being far greater that the Russian bombed reserve, and our larger gusher coming from a much greater hole than the Russians’.
maverick muse on July 6, 2010 at 3:15 PM
Three out of four tries were said to be successful and under completely different situations not even counting the sea.
Operation Gasbuggy has great data to show why this may work but with some very serious consequences.
I’ll take the oil.
Kermit on July 6, 2010 at 7:35 PM
The fissures (fault lines) were there for eons, if not there would be no pools of deep underground.
Notice that the “Peak Oil” doom and gloom website, oil drum, has hyped a lot of the nonsense.
Kermit on July 6, 2010 at 7:37 PM
QuitE probably so…
However, without the mud logs we’ll never know the true status of the surrounding strata…
AND…How about the air quality samples from the area…
You have to admit they haven’t been at all forthcoming with the relevant info…
jerrytbg on July 6, 2010 at 9:13 PM
I think I heard that the pressure down there is 150 times what it is at the surface. The pressure in the oil is from 18000 feet below that. I don’t think anybody can really predict how a nuclear explosion would react with the surrounding pressures. One thing we should have learned about nuclear explosions from the tests in the Nevada desert in the 1950s is that they result in radioactive fallout. If they think oil is bad, wait until the birds and shrimp start to need testing with a Geiger counter.
flataffect on July 7, 2010 at 12:42 AM
The damage from the gushing oil can be easily contained by the simple option of using large scale skimming.
I suspect that the Russian attempts at using relief wells failed, because they could not hit the old borehole, with the new borehole.
While I support the use of nuclear explosives in large scale engineering projects, and for propulsion of spacecraft. This in not the time, or place to use a nuke.
Slowburn on July 7, 2010 at 6:05 AM
Never. Its not necessary. Get the right engineers together to come up with a cap that will work and drill as many relief wells as required and pump the oil out.
And get ALL the skimmers working.
dogsoldier on July 7, 2010 at 6:48 AM
yep. Use more of what works. Why nuke and screw up everything even more with the radiation? Plus the nuke could rupture things worse. Go with the working techniques, get some engineers in there with fresh ideas. Fresh meat as we call it.
johnnyU on July 7, 2010 at 11:09 AM
The relief wells were started a few days after the oil leak. All big custom projects take time the drilling depth is 18,000 feet below the sea floor that is a MASSIVE drilling project. Another month to get there, nothing happens over night.
So blast it with a nuke… One needs to drill a 10,000 foot hole for that device to be placed… Also the nuke itself needs to be a one off custom vessel design to handle the extreme pressures of the sea water at 15,000 deep (sea floor 5,000 ft. and at the bottom of the hole at an additional 10,000 ft.) To do that would take longer to build than what is being done now.
The should have done it already.
Is tied with...
Drill the drilling relief wells.
Just goes to show how dim folks are about science/engineering.
upcountrywater on July 7, 2010 at 12:07 PM
I don’t know much about this subject, but it seems like we should wait for the relief wells to work before trying a nuke. This well has already been gushing for 75 days–if they can finish the relief wells in another month and stop it without the risk of further fractures (from a nuke), let’s try them first, and use the nuke only as a last resort.
Steve Z on July 7, 2010 at 5:12 PM
I actually don’t need a lecture on why the guy said what he said about Guam. That’s why I mentioned it.
For humor.
Bcs the ‘real’ discussion you are referring to that you believe is occurring here is nothing but ignorant ranting & raving.
And this type of crap leads to more ignorance & more ranting & raving.
This is what is wrong with the media (besides a few other things).
They sit there & ‘debate’ about $hit they know absolutely NOTHING about & call it news & ‘debate’.
It’s a bunch of bull$hit is what it is.
Knowing when to STFU & admit when you can’t form an educated, worthwhile opinion on something is one of the hardest things people can do.
It’s really obvious here.
Science & engineering (along w/ medical) matters are not for the general populace who know next to $hit about it.
This is precisely how AGW hacks have taken control of science ‘debates’ on that subject.
And people will sit there & believe the ignorant trash coming out of people’s mouths bcs they believe the person, for whatever reason.
Badger40 on July 7, 2010 at 6:52 PM
You have an excellent point here.
The scientific community has not done enough to clean their own houses of the hacks that inhabit it.
ALL research (past & present) on all subjects should be constantly reviewed & tested & scrutinized.
Too often in the scientific world, politics get in the way of real scientific findings.
How much data is really scrutinized that politicians,EPA,ESA,etc use to make their policiy decisions?
Badger40 on July 7, 2010 at 6:56 PM
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