Sharron Angle: I am not a Birther

posted at 2:42 pm on July 2, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Earlier today, I spoke exclusively to Sharron Angle, the Republican nominee to challenge Harry Reid for the Senate seat in Nevada.  In the past few days, rumors have swirled that Angle is a crypto-Birther. I asked her “flat out” whether she believed Barack Obama was born somewhere other than Hawaii, and she replied, “No.  Is that flat-out enough for you?”  Angle says she “wasn’t dodging” the caller on the radio show now being parsed by the media, in which she replied that the Supreme Court had already ruled on that issue, but instead wanted to talk about Obama’s political qualifications and wanted to politely redirect the conversation.  Angle believes that Obama was born in Hawaii and is an American citizen, and also believes that those subjects are nothing more than a distraction that Democrats use to keep attention from their track record.

On joblessness, Angle apologized for a statement that “was too strongly worded,” regarding people who are currently drawing unemployment.  Angle also challenged Reid to apologize for his remarks as well — to the troops in the field when he declared the Iraq War lost, and referred to the smell from tourists at the Capitol Hill, among others.  “The real issue here is deficit spending,” Angle says, and argues that the US cannot continue to borrow money to spend on expanding these benefits.  Passing an expansion of benefits for which there are no actual funds will make the situation worse.

When I asked what Nevada voters will be most on their mind when they vote in November, Angle replied, “Their jobs and their homes,” because Nevada is “bleeding jobs at about 1100 a month.”  There are thousands of empty commercial buildings in the state, especially in Las Vegas.  The campaign has begun calling Reid “Ghost Town Harry,” because business and jobs are leaving the state.  They just went to the highest position for unemployment in the nation.  “That’s why Harry Reid wants to talk about Birthers,” Angle said.  “He’d rather talk about anything else.  Harry is dodging the issues by pounding me with anything flying through the air.”  Angle says that Reid needs to be pressed to defend his own record, presiding over a Senate that took unemployment from 4% to 14% during his tenure.

Angle and her campaign challenged Reid to do a one-to-one debate on national television, not on personal attacks but on “the real issues — the economy, the economy, the economy.”  Angle said she’d also debate Reid in the blogosphere and even suggested Hot Air as the venue.  I’d be happy to moderate that debate, but something tells me that Reid wouldn’t be terribly enthusiastic about that arrangement.


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Angle said she’d also debate Reid in the blogosphere and even suggested Hot Air as the venue.

The debate on HotAir will be mostly one-sided.
Most of what Reid would say would be deleted by the “Word Zcar”.

Electrongod on July 2, 2010 at 2:46 PM

It would give us a chance to find out which troll he is by seeing who doesn’t show up!

ajacksonian on July 2, 2010 at 2:49 PM

Nobody but guilty white liberals cares about Birtherism anymore. If anything sinks her, it will be her “Alcohol is teh Devil” and “Abortion in the case of rape is wrong” stances.

Speedwagon82 on July 2, 2010 at 2:49 PM

Reid couldn’t debate his way out of an AlGore Bear hug.

portlandon on July 2, 2010 at 2:52 PM

The evil of what Ms Angle is about to endure is going to be unnerving. She will be branded a racist, a whore and then things will get worse. King of the demonrats will waste nothing to destroy her. The exercise tapes of Reid and Michelle the with children shows how utterly desperate they are.

volsense on July 2, 2010 at 2:53 PM

I know that Reid has a huge campaign war chest, but I have to believe that the people of Nevada will see through his load of lying crap, no matter how well produced and edited. I accept that nobody ever lost money underestimating the intelligence of the American electorate, but I have to remain hopeful. Reid can buy great PR, but can he hide the effects of the economy on Nevada?

Extrafishy on July 2, 2010 at 2:59 PM

Harry Reid.

Akzed on July 2, 2010 at 3:00 PM

Shades of McCarthyism… “I am not a Communist.” It appears an oath pledging loyalty to Obama’s birth certificate is required these days.

Drained Brain on July 2, 2010 at 3:04 PM

If anything sinks her, it will be her “Alcohol is teh Devil” and “Abortion in the case of rape is wrong” stances.
Speedwagon82 on July 2, 2010 at 2:49 PM

So I take it then that you approve of both alcoholism and punishing the child for the “sins of the father”?

Obviously I’m being intentionally hyperbolic there, but I really don’t see what is so “radical” about being concerned about excessive alcohol use (and abuse) and wanting to save the unborn.

I’ve never understood that whole “except in the case of rape” argument anyway. Why is it OK to kill a child just because her father was a rapist? It would be like killing the second cousin of Ted Bundy because Ted Bundy was a killer. Nonsensical and barbaric. It’s an argument we need to drop. We need to stop trying to find ways to murder babies because they are inconvenient or were conceived in bad circumstances.

wearyman on July 2, 2010 at 3:04 PM

wearyman on July 2, 2010 at 3:04 PM

Oh c’mon, you’re being reasonable.

Akzed on July 2, 2010 at 3:06 PM

Reid couldn’t debate his way out of an AlGore Bear hug.

portlandon on July 2, 2010 at 2:52 PM

Chakra!

upinak on July 2, 2010 at 3:10 PM

Akzed on July 2, 2010 at 3:06 PM

I know, I know…

I just can’t help myself!

wearyman on July 2, 2010 at 3:11 PM

I admire someone who is a fighter.She definitely is.That’s more than I can say about some in Congress(rinos).It seems Men in the Republican/Conservative party with the biggest balls are the Women.

sandee on July 2, 2010 at 3:11 PM

reid: throw anything out there and see what might stick…

will he have a town hall meeting during the recess??? hmmmmmm

cmsinaz on July 2, 2010 at 3:12 PM

Chakra!

upinak on July 2, 2010 at 3:10 PM

LOL. Man, that Chakra! stuff is never going to get old.

portlandon on July 2, 2010 at 3:13 PM

LOL. Man, that Chakra! stuff is never going to get old.

portlandon on July 2, 2010 at 3:13 PM

Nope ….

Chakra Gore will try to give men and hug and a “lift”.

upinak on July 2, 2010 at 3:16 PM

Sharron does a great job of trying to focus on issues and ignore the BS that is being said about her.

I am not confident that she can defeat Reid, but I am confident that she is a strong and dedicated conservative.

She is a little unguarded when she speaks and gives the opposition ample ammunition to use out of context. Believe me, Reid will exploit every little thought and parse every word. I can hardly wait for all the political ads we will be subjected to from now until November.

She needs to continuously hammer home the piss poor job Harry has done, ridicule his attacks on her personally and point out that he is indeed afraid to speak of reality, just as is his cohort, Obama.

Jvette on July 2, 2010 at 3:18 PM

I asked her “flat out” whether she believed Barack Obama was born somewhere other than Hawaii, and she replied, “No. Is that flat-out enough for you?”

So oft in political wars
The disputants, I ween
Rail on in utter ignorance
Of what such a thing as evidence doth mean
And make such firm claims about a mysterious Birth Certificate
Not one of them has ever been allowed to have seen!

Cheshire Cat on July 2, 2010 at 3:18 PM

Ed, do you think Obama is a natural born citizen?

Buddahpundit on July 2, 2010 at 3:21 PM

It appears an oath pledging loyalty to Obama’s birth certificate is required these days.

Drained Brain on July 2, 2010 at 3:04 PM

Yes it does and the most abject cowards the world has ever known have been falling all over themselves to do so.

Luka on July 2, 2010 at 3:22 PM

If anything sinks her, it will be her “Alcohol is teh Devil” and “Abortion in the case of rape is wrong” stances.

I don’t believe so. While those might be her personal opinions, I don’t believe anyone is afraid of the federal government banning alcohol. That has been tried before. As for the abortion stand, again, that is a personal opinion and I see no evidence that she would desire to impose her values on anyone else but her.

The people who are most afraid of this are the ones I worry about. Those who WOULD attempt to force their values on others are probably the most afraid of her if they don’t share her views. This is because people like to think they are “normal” and they believe that if they would like to impose their values on other people, that everyone else would want to do the same thing. Those who would like to see THEIR values imposed on others worry most about someone with different values being elected because they expect that person to attempt the same thing.

Her personal opinions on such issues mean less to me than do fundamental “role of government” issues.

crosspatch on July 2, 2010 at 3:29 PM

So, are you a “birther” if you believe Obama was probably born in Hawaii, but may still be ineligible due to the fact that at the time of his birth he was a dual citizen (both a US citizen and a British Subject) and thus not a “natural born Citizen” as that term is used in Article II of the Constitution?

Just asking questions…

tommylotto on July 2, 2010 at 3:30 PM

Ed, do you think Obama is a natural born citizen?

Buddahpundit on July 2, 2010 at 3:21 PM

Ronald Reagan said, “Trust, but verify”. Some reject that and say, “I dare not even question”.

Luka on July 2, 2010 at 3:33 PM

At this point the question of whether Obama is a natural born citizen is moot. He is the President. We can not undo the damage that he has done so far and is likely to do in the future by continuing to debate a point that no longer matters. Concentrating on that issue is a distraction. We need to look beyond it and figure out how we are going to get the Democrats out of the House this election and out of the Senate this year and 2012 and the White House in 2012.

The birfer discussion is over.

crosspatch on July 2, 2010 at 3:36 PM

Birtherism is becoming Godwinesque in its ability to distract. I think it’s obvious that some GOP-hardheads use the issue to drum up support from the not-so-fringey-fringe. But it’s also kind of like a tar-baby with nice t*ts in that anybody who notices the obvious interesting details becomes mired in a sticky mess.
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Anyhooters, I love it when I get to read hard news reported here at HA. That rocks. It sure would be nice to for HA on record asking Angle to clarify these remarks.

You know, our Founding Fathers, they put that Second Amendment in there for a good reason and that was for the people to protect themselves against a tyrannical government. And in fact Thomas Jefferson said it’s good for a country to have a rev0lution every 20 years.

I hope that’s not where we’re going, but, you know, if this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies and saying my goodness what can we do to turn this country around? I’ll tell you the first thing we need to do is take Harry Reid out.

The Race Card on July 2, 2010 at 3:38 PM

So I take it then that you approve of both alcoholism and punishing the child for the “sins of the father”?

Obviously I’m being intentionally hyperbolic there, but I really don’t see what is so “radical” about being concerned about excessive alcohol use (and abuse) and wanting to save the unborn.

I’ve never understood that whole “except in the case of rape” argument anyway. Why is it OK to kill a child just because her father was a rapist? It would be like killing the second cousin of Ted Bundy because Ted Bundy was a killer. Nonsensical and barbaric. It’s an argument we need to drop. We need to stop trying to find ways to murder babies because they are inconvenient or were conceived in bad circumstances.

wearyman on July 2, 2010 at 3:04 PM

Conservatives are supposed to be about freedom. Adults should have the freedom to drink “excessively” (however you define it). There are already laws against minors drinking. If she was campaigning from the Bible Belt, it wouldn’t be that big a deal, but she is trying to get votes from LAS VEGAS, a city that wouldn’t exist without alcohol fueling it.

Speedwagon82 on July 2, 2010 at 3:39 PM

tommylotto on July 2, 2010 at 3:30 PM

Birther-lover

The Race Card on July 2, 2010 at 3:40 PM

Nobody but guilty white liberals cares about Birtherism anymore. If anything sinks her, it will be her “Alcohol is teh Devil” and “Abortion in the case of rape is wrong” stances.
Speedwagon82 on July 2, 2010 at 2:49 PM

Since those positions are both held by Reid’s church I don’t think that it’s that big a deal.

oddjob1138 on July 2, 2010 at 3:40 PM

Shades of McCarthyism. . .“I am not a Communist.” It appears an oath pledging loyalty to Obama’s birth certificate is required these days.

Loyalty oaths were introduced by President Harry Truman, a Democrat, not Senator Joe McCarthy (R-WI).

Emperor Norton on July 2, 2010 at 3:41 PM

Birther-lover

The Race Card on July 2, 2010 at 3:40 PM

Sheeple.

Luka on July 2, 2010 at 3:43 PM

For all of the remaining “birthers” out there, pack it up and go home – you’ve already lost. Truthers too. If it’s gotten to a point where you’re using the very name they created to insult you, it’s over.

Narutoboy on July 2, 2010 at 3:44 PM

Just asking questions…

tommylotto on July 2, 2010 at 3:30 PM

That is strictly VERBOTEN! You will be assimilated.

DasObamaReich on July 2, 2010 at 3:46 PM

Loyalty oaths were introduced by President Harry Truman, a Democrat, not Senator Joe McCarthy (R-WI).

Good point. Thanks for the reminder.

Drained Brain on July 2, 2010 at 3:48 PM

Narutoboy on July 2, 2010 at 3:44 PM

The blathering idiot returns. We are so blessed.

Tav on July 2, 2010 at 3:48 PM

Her candidacy worries me, because I really, REALLY want to see Dingy lose, but this is encouraging.

changer1701 on July 2, 2010 at 3:51 PM

Birther-lover

The Race Card on July 2, 2010 at 3:40 PM

grow up.

upinak on July 2, 2010 at 3:54 PM

upinak on July 2, 2010 at 3:54 PM

You mean like ignoring every comment I’ve ever made directly to you and so that you may snipe from afar? You’re all grown-up and married now. Enough with the love-taps.

Sheeple.

Luka on July 2, 2010 at 3:43 PM

original

The Race Card on July 2, 2010 at 4:01 PM

Conservatives are supposed to be about freedom.

So “conservatives” are pro-choice, right?

crosspatch on July 2, 2010 at 4:02 PM

Since those positions are both held by Reid’s church I don’t think that it’s that big a deal.

oddjob1138 on July 2, 2010 at 3:40 PM

You would think so, but Democrats have trouble with that being consistent thing.

Speedwagon82 on July 2, 2010 at 4:12 PM

The Race Card on July 2, 2010 at 4:01 PM

either be an adult or be a child … like our new little racist like Animeboy. But either way, you are the one sniping and picking at people like you would pick at a zit. It is obviously something that you have in your persona that is a personality glitch. Too bad you can’t grow out of it.

upinak on July 2, 2010 at 4:54 PM

The blathering idiot returns. We are so blessed.

Tav on July 2, 2010 at 3:48 PM

Careful, Tav. Pride is one of the seven deadly sins.

Dark-Star on July 2, 2010 at 4:57 PM

Careful, Tav. Pride is one of the seven deadly sins.

Dark-Star on July 2, 2010 at 4:57 PM

How about you watch yourself.

upinak on July 2, 2010 at 4:58 PM

That is strictly VERBOTEN! You will be assimilated.

DasObamaReich on July 2, 2010 at 3:46 PM

And sent to Room Vun Oh Vun. You Vill love Big Brother!

Steve Z on July 2, 2010 at 5:01 PM

How about you watch yourself.

upinak on July 2, 2010 at 4:58 PM

Or what? You’ll snarl and spit like a chained chihuahua? Threaten to get your drinking buddies and exact some vigilante justice?

Get a clue and a life! The birther flap is over . There is nobody with the clout to even remotely threaten the removal of 0blahma over his citizenship, the general population is sick of the endless nitpicking, and even if he was removed the chain of succession is spine-chillingly horrid.

It’s as pointless as asking for another look into 9/11. Painful as it is, the deed is DONE.

The American people elected this goofball and he’s staying there until he finishes his term. Get the hell over it and get ready to oust him in 2012 or we are all hosed with a capital H.

Dark-Star on July 2, 2010 at 5:07 PM

Dark-Star on July 2, 2010 at 5:07 PM

No.. but I can make quite a few look at you like they do your buddy N-Boy and have a watchful eye put on you as well. :)

upinak on July 2, 2010 at 5:09 PM

Slightly OT: Regarding the NRA possibly endorsing Reid, I shot of an email to them to find out what the deal was. Apparently deals are exactly what it’s about.

Dear Mr. Scherer,

Thank you for contacting NRA-ILA regarding the recent rumor that NRA-PVF has indicated they will endorse Harry Reid.

Regarding any potential endorsement of Sen. Reid in the upcoming elections, NRA-PVF has not yet announced any ratings or endorsements in this race. Ratings and endorsements will be determined closer to the election. It is important to note, however, that the NRA is a single issue organization and that when our ratings and endorsements are announced, they are based solely on a candidate’s support for, or opposition to, our Second Amendment rights. Other issues, as important as they may be to many people, do not and cannot play any role in those decisions. NRA represents a broad coalition of American gun owners, who are bound together by their support for the right to keep and bear arms.

In 2004, Senator Reid was rated “B” in his reelection by the NRA Political Victory Fund. Since then, as U.S. Senate Majority Leader, Senator Reid has proven himself to be a supporter of our Second Amendment rights. It would be accurate to say that few, if any, of NRA’s legislative victories in Congress during the last six years would have occurred without his active support.

As an example, he was instrumental in Senate passage (and eventual enactment into law) of the “Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act” (PLCAA)”, which shut down reckless lawsuits against gun manufacturers and dealers that attempted to hold them liable for the misuse of firearms by criminals. Sen. Reid also cosponsored S. 659 (PLCCA) in the 108th Congress and voted against “poison pill” amendments to it, including the Feinstein Amendment to renew the federal ban on so-called “assault weapons”, and the Kennedy Amendment that would have banned most hunting ammunition.

Following Hurricane Katrina, he voted for legislation, that is now federal law, to prohibit gun confiscation during states of emergency. He also voted for legislation to allow commercial airline pilots to be armed in the cockpit to protect their passengers and crew. In this congressional session, Sen. Reid voted for the Ensign Amendment to repeal Washington D.C.’s gun ban and restore self-defense rights in our nation’s capital. He cosponsored similar legislation–S. 1414–in the 108th Congress. He also voted for an amendment to allow law-abiding citizens to carry firearms for self-defense in national parks and wildlife refuges. This federal policy change just took effect on February 22.

Early last year, Sen. Reid emphatically stated that he would oppose any effort to reinstate an “assault weapons” ban if the Senate were to vote on it in the future. In addition, he voted last year for the Thune-Vitter Amendment to provide national reciprocity for state Right-to-Carry permits. He also voted twice for the Wicker Amendment allowing Amtrak passengers to include firearms in their checked luggage. These votes were possible only because of Senator Reid’s actions in his capacity as Senate Majority Leader. Finally, he was among the 58 Senators who signed the pro-gun congressional amicus brief in the McDonald v. Chicago case, argued before the U.S. Supreme Court on March 2nd, which will decide whether the Second Amendment applies to all states and localities.

Most recently, the NRA worked with Sen. Reid to include in his manager’s amendment to the health care reform bill a provision that prohibits the disclosure or collection of information relating to the lawful ownership, use or storage of firearms or ammunition and also prohibits lawful gun ownership, possession and use from being used as a factor to determine eligibility or premium rates for health insurance. This provision was adopted on December 22, 2009 and was included in this legislation when it was signed into law on March 23.

Finally, Senator Reid is opposed to any anti-gun treaties that might come before the U.S. Senate for ratification.

These are a few examples of Senator Reid’s support and leadership on Second Amendment issues. Given the Senate could vote on gun-related issues in the coming months, rest assured any votes will be considered in future candidate evaluations.Regarding NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre and NRA-ILA Executive Director Chris Cox recently attending the grand opening of the Clark County Shooting Park (CCSP) with U.S. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) and other Nevada elected officials.

The CCSP is the largest shooting park in the world. This 2,900-acre state-of-the-art facility is devoted entirely to the shooting sports and is the nation’s premier shooting park. As the nation’s largest shooting sports organization, the NRA’s presence at the ribbon-cutting ceremony should come as no surprise. NRA actively worked with several Members of the Nevada congressional delegation, including Senator Reid, to ensure that this range was built. The development and construction of the CCSP has the full bipartisan support of the Nevada congressional delegation, and Nevada’s Republican Governor.

Senator Reid was instrumental in arranging not only the transfer of the then-federal lands to Clark County where the Park is located, but also in securing $61 million in funding to develop and build the Park. The Clark County Shooting Park would not have been built without his active efforts and support.

Once again, thank you for your inquiry.

Yours in Freedom,
Susan Christman
NRA-ILA Grassroots Division

I’d rather have someone in office who respected the entire Constitution, not just a single Amendment.

pugwriter on July 2, 2010 at 5:55 PM

Looks like AP beat me to it.

pugwriter on July 2, 2010 at 5:58 PM

Angle believes that Obama was born in Hawaii and is an American citizen, and also believes that those subjects are nothing more than a distraction that Democrats use to keep attention from their track record.

So she’s a conspiracy theorist. It’s a vast left wing conspiracy.

Uh-huh.

Now why would ANYONE pay over $2 million in legal fees to hide a $10 document that would supposedly PROVE their eligiblity?

Mr Purple on July 3, 2010 at 5:45 AM

So “conservatives” are pro-choice, right?

crosspatch on July 2, 2010 at 4:02 PM

When did ‘freedom’ come to include the brutal killing of the most helpless and innocent of all?

Only sick minds believe that it does, even now.

Siddhartha Vicious on July 3, 2010 at 9:15 AM

So “conservatives” are pro-choice, right?

crosspatch

And liberals are brain-dead idiots, right? You’d have to be to equate freedom and choice with murder.

xblade on July 4, 2010 at 4:50 AM

Dark-Star, let’s take your comment point by point:

Get a clue and a life! The birther flap is over. There is nobody with the clout to even remotely threaten the removal of 0blahma over his citizenship,

Ding!

I agree that the results of the 2008 election will not be successfully challenged.

the general population is sick of the endless nitpicking,

BUZZ! Questions raised about whether existing election laws are consistent with Constitutional standards are NOT “nitpicking.”

and even if he was removed the chain of succession is spine-chillingly horrid.

Ding!

President Biden is a horrifying thought, but…

BUZZ!

I no longer believe he could possibly be worse for the nation long-term than Obama will be. We know Biden likes the job because it has even greater perks than being a veteran Senator, but he doesn’t have to do squat. Required to do squat, I think he would be more responsible than to let something like the spill in the gulf get out of control for three months while partying hearty with the cute Beatle. At worst, I think President Biden would be a train derailment that the nation could recover from intact, a la Jimmy Carter. BHO is a head-on train wreck.

It’s as pointless as asking for another look into 9/11.

BUZZ! The first “look into 9/11″ wasn’t open and honest. Remember Sandy Berger?


Painful as it is, the deed is DONE.

Ding!

The American people elected this goofball and he’s staying there until he finishes his term.

BUZZ!

Here’s why the “birther” issue still matters: The issue will extend into the 2012 election if teeth are not put into the Constitutional eligibility requirement. Orly Taitz and her entertaining accent ought to be cast into Tartarus in favor of fearless, focused efforts to find the answers to honest, relevant questions, such as: Why it is that Democrats fear a Congressional bill requiring what the Constitution said ought to be enforced? Why is it that the President’s previously-documented Social Security number is inconsistent with birth in Hawaii in 1963 and is actually for a Connecticut resident? And since we know what EXACTLY the 1961 birth certificate Hawaii supposedly has in its files looks like, what reason could there be for refusing to allow it to be seen?

These are NOT trivial issues, like whether or not the Clintons corruptly made some extra thousands in a sham land investment or whether George W. Bush went AWOL from the Texas National Guard. Those are political issues dealt with at the ballot box; neither involved spitting on the founding document of the nation in order to convince the electorate who should be entrusted to defend it. If you disagree, I am interested in reading an answer from you or anyone else that focuses on Constitutional issues rather than the difficulty in trying to cast the debate into terms that don’t seem kooky.

Get the hell over it and get ready to oust him in 2012 or we are all hosed with a capital H.

Dark-Star on July 2, 2010 at 5:07 PM

If the GOP’s devotion to enforcing the Constitution is indicated by some SJC members’ timidity in questioning Elena Kagan, we may be hosed well before 2012.

L.N. Smithee on July 4, 2010 at 11:51 AM