Pelosi: Jobless benefits biggest stimulus for economy evah

posted at 9:30 am on July 2, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Honestly, the big takeaway is not the laughable notion from Nancy Pelosi that jobless benefits provide the biggest possible stimulus to the economy that Congress can create, although that’s both ridiculous and provably incorrect.  We’ve been extending stimulus benefits for almost two years; has the economy been stimulated by it, and has it led to an explosion of new jobs?  Not according to today’s unemployment report, or really any of the previous reports from the past two years.  The Right Scoop’s clip actually shows what it does stimulate — straw men:

Let’s count the straw men:

  • “This is one of the biggest stimuluses to our economy” — No, it’s a net drain on the economy, although for understandable purposes.  It reroutes capital from production to non-production.  We are paying people who aren’t working by using capital that could otherwise go to creating jobs.  It’s a policy tradeoff and understandable, although not for 99 weeks, which is what Pelosi is attempting to extend further.
  • “It injects demand into the economy” — Not at the rate in which the capital gets destroyed.  Remember, the money for this program gets confiscated from producers and passed through the government bureaucracy to non-producers.  What winds up back in the hands of producers is much less than what left their hands in the first place.
  • “It creates jobs faster than almost any other initiative” — No, it doesn’t.  In fact, it depresses job creation, which is part of the policy tradeoff.  If this was right, we’d be at zero unemployment by now.  Tax cuts, especially on capital gains, creates jobs by getting capital into the hands of job creators.
  • “It’s impossible to think of a situation where we would have a country without unemployment benefits” — That’s not actually the debate.  No one is suggesting that we eliminate all unemployment benefits.  The debate is whether we will keep extending them further.

Maybe we should just start calling it the Straw-Man Stimulus, because that’s the only production it seems to incentivize.


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It’s time to end jobless benefits period… all money doled out to the unemployed should go for job training… and that should have a limit to it too…

ninjapirate on July 2, 2010 at 9:34 AM

Aren’t most of these representatives also getting Jobless Benefits? They don’t do anything but get paid for it.

Electrongod on July 2, 2010 at 9:35 AM

Maybe we should just start calling it the Straw-Man Stimulus, because that’s the only production it seems to incentivize.

It’s all they’ve got Ed. The “Blame Bush” card is tired and they know it. So we’re getting a preview of what their midterm strategery is. First, keep offering up unemployment benefit extension bills that are doomed to fail because of deficit spending or unnecessary pork being attached. Then, keep harping on Arizona SB1070 and how it’s unconstitutional and racially motivated. And for good measure, start a smear campaign about John Boehner since he’s the potential Speaker if the GOP retakes the House.

Their hope is that this galvanizes their left-wing base, placates Latino voters who are PO’d that amnesty hasn’t been rammed through, and suckers enough independents into thinking that Boehner would be a worse Speaker than Pelosi. Odds of all that working out? The words “long shot” come to mind.

Doughboy on July 2, 2010 at 9:37 AM

1. Borrowing funds with interest to hand out for grocery money is a fundamentally bad idea.
2. Keynesian stimulus never works.
3. Can someone point out the relevant section of the constitution that authorizes unemployment compensation?

Vashta.Nerada on July 2, 2010 at 9:37 AM

I can’t wait until she’s flying commercial again…

mjbrooks3 on July 2, 2010 at 9:38 AM

These people cannot possibly be this stupid.

The only other possible explanation is that they are acting with malice aforethought.

These people need to be removed from office. I’m all for using the ballot box at the moment. If that doesn’t work, the founders gave us other options. That they could have foreseen the likes of Obama, Pelosi; Reid, Waxman, Frank, Obama (did I say Obama twice? Why yes, I did) 240 years ago is impressive.

turfmann on July 2, 2010 at 9:40 AM

Hey, if job losses can make the unemployment rate go down, why can’t jobless benefits being paid to people who aren’t doing work be good for the economy?

You guys just need to start thinking outside the reality box.

forest on July 2, 2010 at 9:41 AM

“This is one of the biggest stimuluses to our economy”

Shouldn’t it be “stimuli?”

Mark1971 on July 2, 2010 at 9:43 AM

“How about a little fire, Scarecrow!!!” –Wicked Witch of the West (Coast)

She sure knows how to destroy those strawmen.

Abby Adams on July 2, 2010 at 9:44 AM

This woman is insane.

Key West Reader on July 2, 2010 at 9:44 AM

Abby Adams on July 2, 2010 at 9:44 AM

Apologies to Margaret Hamilton.

Abby Adams on July 2, 2010 at 9:45 AM

Nancy is addled.

John the Libertarian on July 2, 2010 at 9:45 AM

I can’t wait until she’s flying commercial again…

mjbrooks3 on July 2, 2010 at 9:38 AM

Hey, she’s creating jobs and stimulating the economy everytime she wastes our tax dollars firing up the jets.

Disturb the Universe on July 2, 2010 at 9:48 AM

The problem is, a lot of average joe’s believe this. It makes sense to them that if people get unemployment to pay their bills, it helps the economy. To some extent (and blame this on our education system etc.) it is counter-intuitive to people to think that not paying these unemployment benefits is better for the economy in the long run.

I know that it is the right policy, but, unfortunately, it is probably not good politics to be against this – unless the GOP does a better job than it has ever done of educating people on the economics.

Monkeytoe on July 2, 2010 at 9:48 AM

turfmann on July 2, 2010 at 9:40 AM

That’s what’s got me thinking.
1) Are they, in fact, that ignorant about basic economics? Given that education has been hijacked by, essentially, marixts, I could believe that these folks have been miseducated. But then, don’t they have their own brains to think with?

2) It’s deliberate malevolence, in wanting to take the US down a notch or two. But then, these Fascist-Democrats (and there is no other more apt label than that) want power. Are they so wedded to a left-wing, top down, neo-feudalist ideology that they would seek to diminish the US’s power and thus their own power? Mussolini (as the least worst of that whole lot) at least wanted to expand Italy’s, and by extension his own, power.

Who wants to get to be the big fish only to shrink the pond and introduce other big fish?

rbj on July 2, 2010 at 9:49 AM

It’s this kind of economic illiteracy that is destroying the country. Pelosi and Joe “We have to spend more money to keep from going bankrupt” Biden should both be booted from office just for their sheer stupidity.

AZCoyote on July 2, 2010 at 9:51 AM

Nancy is addled.

John the Libertarian on July 2, 2010 at 9:45 AM

You are WAY too KIND! Nancy P. would need a million dollar UPgrade to achieve being merely ‘addled’

Katfish on July 2, 2010 at 9:51 AM

Keep talking, Nancy. You will always be the face of crazy for the democrat party. I like having her front and center to emphasize the insanity of this administration.

sherry on July 2, 2010 at 9:52 AM

Is it humanly possible to get to the position she is in, and actually be SO STUPID as to think anyone would actually believe this load of felgercarb?

I understand the need to put a happy face and positive spin on something you want passed, but please, you can do that without being a lying, blithering imbicile. Appeal to the heartstrings, oh those poor unemployed, yadda yadda.

JamesLee on July 2, 2010 at 9:52 AM

Obama, Pelosi and Reid. Keeping Strawmen employed is their highest priority.

rightwingcollegeprof on July 2, 2010 at 9:52 AM

Does Pelosi really think we’re that stupid? Does Pelosi really believe what she is saying?

Uh….uh….wait… I think I just answered my own question.

Skandia Recluse on July 2, 2010 at 9:53 AM

Now she’s just being stupid.
In full.
Be gone,wench.

bbz123 on July 2, 2010 at 9:55 AM

San Fran Nan is going to be jobless in November. Thanks for creating another job in the near future, Nannie.

volsense on July 2, 2010 at 9:56 AM

I know that it is the right policy, but, unfortunately, it is probably not good politics to be against this – unless the GOP does a better job than it has ever done of educating people on the economics.

Monkeytoe on July 2, 2010 at 9:48 AM

I don’t know. I think the entitlement crisis(and unemployment benefits are essentially an entitlement) is reaching a breaking point in this country and the people doing the heavy lifting and taxpaying have had enough.

Nobody wants to see families get cut off and have no money coming in, but we also want to see people find work again and return to the labor force. And whether the Dems or GOP want to admit it or not, there are at least some folks out there on unemployment who could be working right now(even if it’s at a crappy, lower-paying gig) but are choosing not to because the government keeps handing them checks.

The biggest stimulus for the economy is jobs. And the only way to create those is for the federal government to lessen the burden on businesses and corporations and then get the hell out of the way.

Doughboy on July 2, 2010 at 9:56 AM

My apologies to wenches.They don’t need to be lumped in with this one.

bbz123 on July 2, 2010 at 9:57 AM

First of all, if she is that stupid, then she should not be where she is today. Secondly, if she thinks we are that gullible, then she should not be where she is today.

If I understand this correctly, someone who is eligible for unemployment benefits can now get them for 99 weeks? Is this true or are there other stipulations besides you have to be looking for work?

Vince on July 2, 2010 at 9:57 AM

Where are the Republican leaders on this? Can they not get in front of
a camera immediately and speak plain English? This Pelosi statement was yesterday and I’ve watched a little news and have seen nothing.

Marcus on July 2, 2010 at 9:58 AM

All of the arguments refuting Pelosi are cogent, well thought out. However, given the American voter’s IQ level, they will not have much of an impact.

The average American voter thinks, money to me, good. Republican don’t give me money, he bad. Me vote Democrat.

angryed on July 2, 2010 at 9:59 AM

I am fairly convinced that the KKK guy, the one that just died, i need coffee. I can’t think of his name,
Robert Byrd was a fricking shell in the senate propped up like a puppet or marianet to vote Dem for at least a couple years.
Seems to me that Nancy is already starting her brain dead shell act.

ORconservative on July 2, 2010 at 10:00 AM

The problem with elimating jobless benefits is that people will starve.

Honestly — there are no jobs. Even if you cut all of us off, we will not be able to find work in this economy. We will have depend on our neighbors to feed us.

We need to cut taxes and eliminate this horrible Obamacare mandate on business — the only way to get jobs back. Eliminating jobless benefits does nothing.

Those of us who can’t find work do not want to live off the government. We are not lazy. We are going out of our minds because there is NOT ENOUGH WORK and we have children to feed.

CambellBrown on July 2, 2010 at 10:00 AM

Who could even add to your critique of Pelosi’s “reasoning,” Ed? The woman is an economic moron, intent mainly on putting as many formerly productive workers on a permanent government-dependency voting bloc.

Every strawman argument that the Dems put forth on any policy is intended to build a one-party statist government. The aim is to create a two-tiered system of dependents and their “benevolet” masters of the universe.

onlineanalyst on July 2, 2010 at 10:04 AM

Those of us who can’t find work do not want to live off the government. We are not lazy. We are going out of our minds because there is NOT ENOUGH WORK and we have children to feed.

CambellBrown on July 2, 2010 at 10:00 AM

Hang in there. We will neuter Obama in November and turn this ship around.

Key West Reader on July 2, 2010 at 10:05 AM

The problem with elimating jobless benefits is that people will starve.

Honestly — there are no jobs.

CambellBrown on July 2, 2010 at 10:00 AM

Nonsense. McDonald’s is always hiring. Domino’s is always hiring. There are always lawns to be cut.

angryed on July 2, 2010 at 10:06 AM

I agree, CB that people will go hungry or worse without the unemployment benefits, I know that is true BUT the Democrats are only interested in handouts and increased taxes to pay for it. Employers are hamstrung, they can not hire, there is no money.
The government has to stop spending. Has to or we are toast and we are very very close to toast right now.

ORconservative on July 2, 2010 at 10:06 AM

One more thing extending jobless benefits stimulates – those who are dependent on continued Rat rule.

steveegg on July 2, 2010 at 10:07 AM

If you look into Nanzi’s eyes you can see no one is home. It seems like they never heard of an equation; they can see or discuss the spending side only, and never the costs side.

I recently read an interview with a US soldier in Afghanistan who was discussing the Taliban. He objected to calling them ‘smart’, saying that they only read one book, think indoor plumbing is an abomination, and so on. He said they are cunning.

This applies to Nanzi as well.

GnuBreed on July 2, 2010 at 10:07 AM

By the very act of me posting to this thread, I have saved or created 163 jobs. And being that I’m unemployed, my aforementioned contribution is even more valued than you employed people.

Who’d of thunk that the day would come in our nation that the unemployed would be more valuable to the economy than those who have jobs?

madmonkphotog on July 2, 2010 at 10:08 AM

I can’t wait until she’s flying commercial again…

mjbrooks3 on July 2, 2010 at 9:38 AM

Heh, maybe that is how Boehner could suggest that flying commercial is the way that Pelosi can stimulate the economy.

onlineanalyst on July 2, 2010 at 10:08 AM

Like I said when I saw this at Smalldeadanimals last night, no wonder liberals are nuts, it hurts too much to try and think like them.

Jim708 on July 2, 2010 at 10:10 AM

If this is not undeniably positive proof that Pelosi is out of her mind, I don’t know what is!

Unemployment benefits are benefits that are financed by the taxes of WORKING people, essentially giving money to people who are NOT WORKING! It IS NOT NOR WAS IT EVER designed to create jobs! It was designed to give financial assistance to people who are TRYING TO FIND JOBS!

Where is the hell is this idiotic woman getting her information from, a defective Magic 8-Ball?

pilamaye on July 2, 2010 at 10:10 AM

Nancy this is for you at 4:05.

Mr. Joe on July 2, 2010 at 10:11 AM

You gotta wonder…is she knowingly lying, or does she really believe the words spewing from her mouth?

JetBoy on July 2, 2010 at 10:11 AM

She is such an embarrassment.

Go back to school and take Econ 110 Nancy.

DuctTapeMyBrain on July 2, 2010 at 10:11 AM

I was out of work a few years ago and it took me four months to find work. I can only imagine how many months/years it would take me to find work nowadays. Those four months were the most stressful and depressing time of my entire life. I wouldn’t wish unemployment on anyone…except for the current commander in chief and his speaker of the house.

scalleywag on July 2, 2010 at 10:12 AM

Like I said in the other thread…

Fastest way to create jobs would be to start giving unemployment benefits to Nancy Pelosi, Obama, and Congress.

Daggett on July 2, 2010 at 10:12 AM

Nonsense. McDonald’s is always hiring. Domino’s is always hiring. There are always lawns to be cut.

Yeah, and I am competing with a hundred teenagers for lawn cutting and McDonald’s jobs. I had 12 year olds ringing my doorbell asking to cut MY lawn.

I get what you’re saying. But the reality is very dire and McDonald’s doesn’t support a household. I am not sitting around — I can’t find engineering work so I’m going to get my certificate to teach math. That sucks though, because I’m about to be added to the already over-bloated education payroll. And I’m wondering if McDonald’s might actually be the same pay as a teacher….

any way you slice it, we are in horrible times.

CambellBrown on July 2, 2010 at 10:12 AM

This is a great point by point take down…but then again it is Nanzi Pelosi…undoubtedly the dumbest Speaker in recent memory.

d1carter on July 2, 2010 at 10:13 AM

Doughboy on July 2, 2010 at 9:56 AM

Wasn’t one of ObaMao’s first items of “bidness” to rescind the tying in of unemployment/welfare benefits to efforts to gain some type of employment? This was the legislation that the Republicans pushed Clinton to accept back in the ’90′s.

onlineanalyst on July 2, 2010 at 10:15 AM

We’re in the very best of hands.

Mike Honcho on July 2, 2010 at 10:17 AM

3. Can someone point out the relevant section of the constitution that authorizes unemployment compensation?

Vashta.Nerada on July 2, 2010 at 9:37 AM

You’ve got it backwards – you have to point out the relevant section of the constitution that prohibits unemployment compensation.

ss396 on July 2, 2010 at 10:17 AM

In opposite land, hot snow falls up.

Akzed on July 2, 2010 at 10:19 AM

I’m transferring my comment to this thread.

It’s the reverse of China.

There they have gulags filled with people who create goods for pennies that they sell to the world for dollars.

The ‘rats plan: give [your] dollars to people in the Unemployment Gulag so they can inject pennies into the economy.

Both plans are hideous.

Except China cut a better deal with the Devil than the ‘rats did.

CPT. Charles on July 2, 2010 at 9:55 AM

These people need to go.

Soon.

CPT. Charles on July 2, 2010 at 10:19 AM

She is stupid.
If what she says is true, since we have 3 times as many on unemployment, we are generating jobs 3 times as rapidly. No evidence of that.

seven on July 2, 2010 at 10:19 AM

Madame Speaker sounds about as intelligent as Pamela Anderson or Paris Hilton.

scalleywag on July 2, 2010 at 10:20 AM

CambellBrown on July 2, 2010 at 10:12 AM

What region of the country are you in? I fear it is going to get worse before it gets better. Businesses are not going to be expanding as long as the future is so uncertain, and the future will be uncertain as long as we have BHO in the White House. The next best thing is to take as much power from him as possible. That begins in November. Hang in there, do what you have to do to feed your children. This isn’t going away soon.

d1carter on July 2, 2010 at 10:20 AM

My three sons have obtained six jobs so far this spring/summer.

Akzed on July 2, 2010 at 10:21 AM

Key West Reader on July 2, 2010 at 9:44 AM

Imagine. She’s only two lives away from the presidency. Shudder.

Also this is proof positive that injecting a toxin at low levels over a long period of time will eventually catch up with you. She’s suffering Botox brain rot on top of her terminal stupidity.

chemman on July 2, 2010 at 10:21 AM

All I can say is excuse me while I go and throw up.

Speaker Fullofshit has finally insured the freeloaders can feel proud of their state and continue their way of life, on our dime,

MSGTAS on July 2, 2010 at 10:21 AM

Honestly — there are no jobs. Even if you cut all of us off, we will not be able to find work in this economy. We will have depend on our neighbors to feed us.

* * *

CambellBrown on July 2, 2010 at 10:00 AM

What’s wrong with that? I hate to sound heartless, but it used to be that people relied upon their family, church and community to help them get through the rough times. And, that was much, much more efficient then gov’t entitlements. B/c families, churches, etc., knew when people really needed help, and what they needed, and there was not even remotely as much overhead to the “charity” as gov’t has. It is the very idea that this is the gov’t’s job that is at the heart of what is wrong with our country.

Monkeytoe on July 2, 2010 at 10:23 AM

CRIMINALLY STUUUUUPID!

Aggie85 on July 2, 2010 at 10:23 AM

Vashta.Nerada on July 2, 2010 at 9:37 AM

The “Good and Plenty” welfare clause.

chemman on July 2, 2010 at 10:23 AM

“We see it as an entrepreneurial bill, a bill that says to someone, if you want to be creative and be a musician or whatever, you can leave your work, focus on your talent, your skill, your passion, your aspirations because you will have health care. You won’t have to be job locked,” -Nancy Pelosi, economist extraordinaire.

Akzed on July 2, 2010 at 10:23 AM

“It’s impossible to think of a situation where we would have a country without unemployment benefits” — That’s not actually the debate. No one is suggesting that we eliminate all unemployment benefits. The debate is whether we will keep extending them further.

I can think of a lot of situations where we would have a country without unemployment benefits. There was the case i n the 1780s, when our nation was being formed. Then there was the 1790s. And there were no unemployment beneficts in the 1800s and 1810s. In fact, our nation and economy survived quite well without unemployment benefits until the 1930s.

hawksruleva on July 2, 2010 at 10:24 AM

link to vid

Akzed on July 2, 2010 at 10:24 AM

any way you slice it, we are in horrible times.

CambellBrown on July 2, 2010 at 10:12 AM

People here understand and sympathize with your plight. Perhaps you will have to look at moving to a different area of the country. During the Great Depression, millions of people moved to find work. Some areas in the US may NEVER recover, such as Detroit.

Good luck to you. Surviving this administration is going to be tough for nearly all of us.

GnuBreed on July 2, 2010 at 10:26 AM

These people are brain dead and seem to think we are too.

Oldnuke on July 2, 2010 at 10:27 AM

Honestly — there are no jobs. Even if you cut all of us off, we will not be able to find work in this economy. We will have depend on our neighbors to feed us.

* * *

CambellBrown on July 2, 2010 at 10:00 AM

No jobs? A Walmart in Lynchburg just opened, it’s hiring 350 people. If you need a job, move down here and apply.

Maybe you mean there’s no job you’re willing to relocate for, or no job that suffciently matches your education or expectations. I’m sure if you weren’t getting checks from the government, your opinion on those jobs would rapidly change.

Unemployment checks create situations in which people analyze their options and decide that they “can’t afford to work”.

hawksruleva on July 2, 2010 at 10:28 AM

And I’m wondering if McDonald’s might actually be the same pay as a teacher….

any way you slice it, we are in horrible times.

CambellBrown on July 2, 2010 at 10:12 AM

Depends on what state you are in. The starting salary for a teacher varies by state. It can further vary by whether you teach in the city or a rural area.

chemman on July 2, 2010 at 10:29 AM

What region of the country are you in? I fear it is going to get worse before it gets better.

I am in the southeast. Current rate of unemployment in my state is over 12%, and there is very little industry. More is moving in, but not enough to stem the problem. Engineering jobs want lots of experience and expertise, and I have little more than a degree right now. That’s why it’s horrible for new graduates. There are so many out of work engineers, architects, finance & accounting ppl, and simply no work. I have applied for everything I can find. Still nothing.

Half the people I know have been laid off and are scrambling to do ANYTHING to keep themselves alive. One guy is washing boats for cash. Another is doing carpentry work but there isn’t enough ppl willing to pay money for carpentry projects now. These are all people with degrees and lots of experience. My dad just got forced into early retirement so my parents have to come up with $800 a month for health insurance. My dad is working on boats now, doing any little job he can find.

If you have a job and can feed your family, don’t sit on here and tell others that they would be fine if they would just go cut somebody’s lawn.

CambellBrown on July 2, 2010 at 10:29 AM

Which means the economy won’t be full functioning until we are all out of work…

PatriotRider on July 2, 2010 at 10:29 AM

Why all this pussy-footing around by Pelosi? Let’s just cut to the chase and enact lifetime unemployment insurance. That way, you just have to work once and then get laid off and never have to worry about another job again. Just imagine all the stimulus that will create. Just think about all the robust new job hire numbers every month as all new work forces are hired. Problem solved.

parke on July 2, 2010 at 10:31 AM

PatriotRider: “Which means the economy won’t be full functioning until we are all out of work…”

Precisely!! I’d say “Good Job!”, but “jobs” are baaaad things!

Justrand on July 2, 2010 at 10:36 AM

I’m in central Virginia and I don’t know what the unemployment rate is here but I do know there aren’t many jobs in this town. The jobs that are here no one with a family could support themselves on.

scalleywag on July 2, 2010 at 10:36 AM

CambellBrown on July 2, 2010 at 10:29 AM

I understand your plight, but don’t give up on finding anything that helps pay the bills. Toyota is opening a new plant in MS later this year. They will be hiring thousands very soon. You many need to move but don’t wait until the big job comes that fits your education.

d1carter on July 2, 2010 at 10:37 AM

My God… if this is one of the side-effects of Botox, it should be pulled of the market immediately!

prince of dorkness on July 2, 2010 at 10:37 AM

pulled off

prince of dorkness on July 2, 2010 at 10:37 AM

CambellBrown on July 2, 2010 at 10:12 AM

Invent something.

Skandia Recluse on July 2, 2010 at 10:40 AM

Pay the unemployed for one year, not two, and double the payment but with one catch. They have to work. Send all of them down to the Mexican border and put them to work on building a border fence. They get paid, they learn a new trade, we keep the illegals out.

Win, win, win.

fogw on July 2, 2010 at 10:40 AM

Yeah, and I am competing with a hundred teenagers for lawn cutting and McDonald’s jobs. I had 12 year olds ringing my doorbell asking to cut MY lawn.

Wow. I haven’t seen a kid mow a lawn in years, at least in SoCal. The market here has been completely taken over by illegal aliens. (Fast food jobs, too.)

LASue on July 2, 2010 at 10:46 AM

Invent something.

Skandia Recluse on July 2, 2010 at 10:40 AM

Nice idea, but the patent system is so horribly abused you’re more likely to win the lottery than make any real money from a useful invention.

Dark-Star on July 2, 2010 at 10:47 AM

The eyebrow botox needle may have penetrated too closely to the tiny brain.

AnthonyK on July 2, 2010 at 10:47 AM

Invent something else. The remarks from the guy who first inventing something like this were hilarious. One of those typical redneck “hey guys, watch this.” moments. So one of his friends said, hey, put some water in it! More specific impulse, you see.

Skandia Recluse on July 2, 2010 at 10:50 AM

Here’s the long-term issue I’m seeing with the current rate of unemployment. Sure, when I reach the point where I can’t survive on the little child support I’m getting, i will go work at WalMart. no problem. (except that i won’t be able to afford daycare, but that’s another issue)

When there are so many people out of work, we are depending almost entirely on “selling each other crap” in order to survive. We’re trying to find anybody with expendable income who can hire us to cut lawns, wash cars, or buy our knitted sweaters.

This isn’t a long-range solution. The backbone of the economy needs to be industry that people actually NEED. Waste management and water supply and power — those are things we NEED. Do we need people to cut our lawn? Not when money is tight, that’s for sure.

Being a cupcake seller works when there are lots of other employed people who can afford to buy your frivolous services.

But we need actual industry… things that we can export…energy jobs, etc.

CambellBrown on July 2, 2010 at 10:50 AM

Paying people for nothing with money stolen from people who work so that they can buy goods made in China will never create wealth or jobs in America.

That my friends is just a fact.

Wealth is only created from harvesting materials and making stuff from them. That is the only way to create wealth.

If every person in the us was a teacher, layer, doctor or accountant etc there would be no money to pay them.

Wealth starts with the Lumber Jack, rancher, farmer, miner and driller.

TheSitRep on July 2, 2010 at 10:55 AM

If every person in the us was a teacher, layer, doctor or accountant etc there would be no money to pay them.

Wealth starts with the Lumber Jack, rancher, farmer, miner and driller.

Exactly my point. I am toying with the idea of growing stuff in my backyard that I could sell (cheaper than the grocery store)
lol

CambellBrown on July 2, 2010 at 10:57 AM

I saw the ravages of stagflation and the Rust Belt, combined in the ’70s. It de-industrialized the Rust Belt and no amount of ‘job training’ made up for the lack of jobs. In fact ‘job training’ for jobs that were not going to be coming back became just another federal hack program for someone to get unemployment benefits under the name ‘job training’, mostly in CETA.

When you put your name in with five temp agencies to, maybe, get a position for a day or two a week, it can be defined as a ‘rough economy’. A bachelor’s degree meant that I could either go in hock for 30-50K getting an advanced degree or be gainfully unemployed… in the end gainful unemployment out of town caused me to pull up stakes and move… thus the Rust Belt de-populated as it de-industrialized.

What that taught me is that unemployment insurance is a temporary cushion during a slight downturn, and a negative anchor during a long one in which seeking a job elsewhere is better than being on the dole where you are. ‘Job training’ is useless unless done in private industry as an apprenticeship, which my sister did for tool and die making thus getting her a ticket to a decent job after her time as an apprentice. Make-work training doesn’t do it, real training does. The lessons of the Rust Belt and stagflation are stark, real and should not be ignored by anyone of any political stripe, and it teaches the limited extent of federal ‘help’ to do ‘good’, and the massive need for encouraging private sector training and expansion.

ajacksonian on July 2, 2010 at 11:01 AM

When there are so many people out of work, we are depending almost entirely on “selling each other crap” in order to survive. We’re trying to find anybody with expendable income who can hire us to cut lawns, wash cars, or buy our knitted sweaters.

Being a cupcake seller works when there are lots of other employed people who can afford to buy your frivolous services.

But we needer actual industry… things that we can export…energy jobs, etc.

CambellBrown on July 2, 2010 at 10:50 AM

Excellently said.

That same idea also applies to the myriad manifestations of creativity that many so enjoy today. Things like open-source software of every stripe, works of literature and art made just for enjoyment, indie music writers and so many more. They are (generally) freely shared for all…but they have a hidden price: they require a prosperous society to exist in any real amount.

When people are reduced to survival level existance, there’s no time for anything creative. Just imagine places like deviantart and fanfiction.net being reduced to ‘ghost sites’, or nearly all of the Linux community having to abandon their work simple because nobody has the time for them.

Dark-Star on July 2, 2010 at 11:03 AM

It is incredibly inhumane to pay people for not working. We are born to labor thru life. There is nothing compassionate about robbing Peter to pay Paul. Pelosi has everything 180 degrees out of phase.

Inanemergencydial on July 2, 2010 at 11:07 AM

Honestly — there are no jobs. Even if you cut all of us off, we will not be able to find work in this economy. We will have depend on our neighbors to feed us.

CambellBrown on July 2, 2010 at 10:00 AM

That’s the whole point. Neighbors will do it voluntarily, as opposed to the feds making it mandatory, and skimming 30% off the top.

Vashta.Nerada on July 2, 2010 at 11:11 AM

Hey can I be a Democratic leader, please, please, huh! Just listen listen to my great idea. Since jobless benefits are the greatest stimulus to our economy, evah, offer incentives to employers to fire millions more, doubling our current jobless benefits to stimulate the economy even further. Who thought up this brilliant plan? Ah! The same geniuses who managed the Gulf oil spill.

MaiDee on July 2, 2010 at 11:11 AM

Unemployment benefits are cr@p. Just 2 of many examples I could name. I know two 26 year old able guys who haven’t looked for a job for a year and a half, living on unemployment. They go to the bar every night and shoot darts and just took a trip to Las Vegas (while I am working and can’t afford such a trip – they gov’t takes my money and gives it to these lazy dolts). I also know a couple in their 50s and he is collecting unemployment which is about to run out and the wife was complaining (even though they have a $30,000 motorcylce and she has run up their charge cards buying jewelry on QVC). I suggested he could look at Home Depot because they actually have pretty good benefits, and she replied, “He doesn’t know if he wants to work any more”.

These are 2 sets of people, living better that I am who are getting money that the gov’t steals from me. I think we need to have personal unemployment accounts that we can add to tax free – if you don’t use it, you get it back at retirement. If these schleps were using their own money, instead of stealing mine, perhaps they’d be a little more serious about finding jobs and taking care of themselves like they should be.

miConsevative on July 2, 2010 at 11:12 AM

Mrs. Pelosi, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. May God have mercy on your soul.

rollthedice on July 2, 2010 at 11:14 AM

College degrees are a hindrance for getting a menial job. The employer wants someone who will not leave when economy picks up. They would rather have a teenager or a uneducated latino.

PrezHussein on July 2, 2010 at 11:37 AM

Breathtakingly stupid … ’nuff said.

ya2daup on July 2, 2010 at 11:41 AM

You know, she’s actually right. Since she and Reid took over Congress in 2007, the business community has been in a holding pattern. The anti-business attitude and policies of the Obama administration are keeping a boot on the neck of the private sector, so no new jobs are being created.

This is by design, just so you all know.

Since no new jobs are being created, unemployment benefits are the only source of income for people like me. After 40 years in the manufacturing sector, I’m entering my third year of unemployment. Surely you don’t think I enjoy trying to live on one-quarter of my former wages, do you? My UE check is the only thing between me and a homeless shelter. I’ve had to sell everything I can get my hands on, including family heirlooms, just to eat. And for all of you who think that you can snap your fingers and have a job magically appear, I have news for you: THERE ARE NO JOBS OUT THERE! So many of my friends have lost their jobs and their houses since Obama took office and began his reign of terror, I’ve lost count.

I’d love nothing better than to return to a decent paying job. But unless and until this country wakes up and starts voting out the corrupt progressives who want nothing better than to bring us to our knees, we’ll continue our downward slide into third world status.

And it will be our own fault.

BackwardsBoy on July 2, 2010 at 11:48 AM

Wow. I haven’t seen a kid mow a lawn in years, at least in SoCal. The market here has been completely taken over by illegal aliens. (Fast food jobs, too.)

LASue on July 2, 2010 at 10:46 AM

No kidding. When my brothers and I grew up we did all kinds of things to make money, paper routes, babysitting, yard work, snow shoveling. Kids aren’t interesting in that kind of thing anymore. I live in a neighborhood full of college kids and elderly people and it was heartbreaking to see the elderly out there shoveling 2 feet of snow while kids would just walk by without even offering to help.

scalleywag on July 2, 2010 at 11:54 AM

Allah’s moniker for Pelosi — Crazy Aunt Nancy — is both humorous and horrifying when you think about it. Humorous obviously, because here is this old hag with three facelifts, saying some of the craziest and stupidest things you can even imagine about government and legislation and making Emily Litella come to life, only with bigger tits.

Horrifying because this effing nitwit is second in the succession line to the Presidency. Let this sink in: we have an idiot President of whom the only remaining debate is whether he is a brilliant Manchurian socialist or Chauncey Gardner, the blithering idiot; a Vice President that is a running gag of buffoonery, and Crazy Aunt Nancy third.

The three top members of the government of the United States of America are not fit to run an elementary school board…together.

Jaibones on July 2, 2010 at 11:55 AM

This woman is insane.

Key West Reader on July 2, 2010 at 9:44 AM

No, but I think stupid applies.

greasywrench on July 2, 2010 at 12:05 PM

I heard this on the Beck show a bit ago… Kept waithing for the laugh track… What a dumb a** this woman is. Add a laugh track! When you’re not sure the audience will get the joke, add a laugh track.

RalphyBoy on July 2, 2010 at 12:08 PM

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