NRA e-mail: You know who’s pretty great on guns? Harry Reid

posted at 5:47 pm on July 2, 2010 by Allahpundit

Two readers saw our post yesterday and independently e-mailed the NRA in a panic. Surely, surely, the organization isn’t about to endorse … Harry Reid, is it?

Here’s what each of them got in reply. One simple question as you read: Why didn’t this e-mail end after the first two paragraphs?

Thank you for contacting NRA-ILA regarding the recent rumor that NRA-PVF has indicated they will endorse Harry Reid.

Regarding any potential endorsement of Sen. Reid in the upcoming elections, NRA-PVF has not yet announced any ratings or endorsements in this race. Ratings and endorsements will be determined closer to the election. It is important to note, however, that the NRA is a single issue organization and that when our ratings and endorsements are announced, they are based solely on a candidate’s support for, or opposition to, our Second Amendment rights. Other issues, as important as they may be to many people, do not and cannot play any role in those decisions. NRA represents a broad coalition of American gun owners, who are bound together by their support for the right to keep and bear arms.

In 2004, Senator Reid was rated “B” in his reelection by the NRA Political Victory Fund. Since then, as U.S. Senate Majority Leader, Senator Reid has proven himself to be a supporter of our Second Amendment rights. It would be accurate to say that few, if any, of NRA’s legislative victories in Congress during the last six years would have occurred without his active support.

As an example, he was instrumental in Senate passage (and eventual enactment into law) of the “Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act” (PLCAA)”, which shut down reckless lawsuits against gun manufacturers and dealers that attempted to hold them liable for the misuse of firearms by criminals. Sen. Reid also cosponsored S. 659 (PLCCA) in the 108th Congress and voted against “poison pill” amendments to it, including the Feinstein Amendment to renew the federal ban on so-called “assault weapons”, and the Kennedy Amendment that would have banned most hunting ammunition.

Following Hurricane Katrina, he voted for legislation, that is now federal law, to prohibit gun confiscation during states of emergency. He also voted for legislation to allow commercial airline pilots to be armed in the cockpit to protect their passengers and crew. In this congressional session, Sen. Reid voted for the Ensign Amendment to repeal Washington D.C.’s gun ban and restore self-defense rights in our nation’s capital. He cosponsored similar legislation–S. 1414–in the 108th Congress. He also voted for an amendment to allow law-abiding citizens to carry firearms for self-defense in national parks and wildlife refuges. This federal policy change just took effect on February 22.

Early last year, Sen. Reid emphatically stated that he would oppose any effort to reinstate an “assault weapons” ban if the Senate were to vote on it in the future. In addition, he voted last year for the Thune-Vitter Amendment to provide national reciprocity for state Right-to-Carry permits. He also voted twice for the Wicker Amendment allowing Amtrak passengers to include firearms in their checked luggage. These votes were possible only because of Senator Reid’s actions in his capacity as Senate Majority Leader. Finally, he was among the 58 Senators who signed the pro-gun congressional amicus brief in the McDonald v. Chicago case, argued before the U.S. Supreme Court on March 2nd, which will decide whether the Second Amendment applies to all states and localities.

Most recently, the NRA worked with Sen. Reid to include in his manager’s amendment to the health care reform bill a provision that prohibits the disclosure or collection of information relating to the lawful ownership, use or storage of firearms or ammunition and also prohibits lawful gun ownership, possession and use from being used as a factor to determine eligibility or premium rates for health insurance. This provision was adopted on December 22, 2009 and was included in this legislation when it was signed into law on March 23.

Finally, Senator Reid is opposed to any anti-gun treaties that might come before the U.S. Senate for ratification.

These are a few examples of Senator Reid’s support and leadership on Second Amendment issues. Given the Senate could vote on gun-related issues in the coming months, rest assured any votes will be considered in future candidate evaluations. Regarding NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre and NRA-ILA Executive Director Chris Cox recently attending the grand opening of the Clark County Shooting Park (CCSP) with U.S. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) and other Nevada elected officials.

The CCSP is the largest shooting park in the world. This 2,900-acre state-of-the-art facility is devoted entirely to the shooting sports and is the nation’s premier shooting park. As the nation’s largest shooting sports organization, the NRA’s presence at the ribbon-cutting ceremony should come as no surprise. NRA actively worked with several Members of the Nevada congressional delegation, including Senator Reid, to ensure that this range was built. The development and construction of the CCSP has the full bipartisan support of the Nevada congressional delegation, and Nevada’s Republican Governor.

Senator Reid was instrumental in arranging not only the transfer of the then-federal lands to Clark County where the Park is located, but also in securing $61 million in funding to develop and build the Park. The Clark County Shooting Park would not have been built without his active efforts and support.

Once again, thank you for your inquiry.

If you didn’t read Erick Erickson’s post raising the alarm about the NRA and Reid, scroll through it and note how many anti-gun votes he’s taken over the years. Granted, few of them are recent — only one since 2005 — but surely his record, Angle’s record, and the prospect of thousands of angry Republican NRA donors tearing up their checkbooks point towards endorsing Angle. Right? Exit question: They’re going to end up endorsing no one in this race, aren’t they?


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First to say it: A whore for a whore (not surprising in Nevada).

Jimbo3 on July 2, 2010 at 5:50 PM

LaPierre’s been in the Culture of Corruption for too long.

portlandon on July 2, 2010 at 5:51 PM

Most recently, the NRA worked with Sen. Reid to include in his manager’s amendment to the health care reform bill a provision that prohibits the disclosure or collection of information relating to the lawful ownership, use or storage of firearms or ammunition and also prohibits lawful gun ownership, possession and use from being used as a factor to determine eligibility or premium rates for health insurance. This provision was adopted on December 22, 2009 and was included in this legislation when it was signed into law on March 23.

WTF is the NRA asking to include in bills that have nothing to do with guns?

Anyone who is part of the NRA, you better start asking questions…. it is your money remember!

upinak on July 2, 2010 at 5:51 PM

They’re going to end up endorsing no one in this race, aren’t they?

That’s right.

Mark1971 on July 2, 2010 at 5:53 PM

Exit question: They’re going to end up endorsing no one in this race, aren’t they?

we could wager, since it IS Nevada. But I think you already know the answer Allah.

upinak on July 2, 2010 at 5:53 PM

securing $61 million in funding

Well, in fairness the NRA is a one issue organization, but when it supports non-conservative candidates to press that issue, then I part ways. No renew for me.

WitchDoctor on July 2, 2010 at 5:53 PM

First the NRA cuts themselves a deal to grant themselves a waiver on free speech restrictions.

Now they’re endorsing Democrats…

Well they’re not getting my money ever again. But they’re allying themselves with a party they think is stronger politically… What do they know?

Skywise on July 2, 2010 at 5:54 PM

Angle, neutral or I won’t renew membership.

chemman on July 2, 2010 at 5:55 PM

The NRA also contributed to Democrat Gene Taylor’s reelection even though Taylor voted for Nancy Pelosi for Speaker of the House. When I asked one of the NRA’s legislative affairs officers what kind of record Nancy Pelosi had on guns she replied …

“Uhm, it’s not very good”

NRA doesn’t understand that by supporting any Democrat – they also support the anti-gun policies of the Democratic Party. It’s REID and PELOSI who control the legislative agenda and the NRA doesn’t seem to understand this.

I’m tearing up my NRA membership card.

HondaV65 on July 2, 2010 at 5:55 PM

The NRA’s policy is pretty clear. If there are two pro-gun candidates in the general election they endorse the incumbent. Unfortunately, in this race that is Harry Reid. Then they’ll all pray like crazy that Sharron Angle wins and somehow Schumer and Durbin strangle one another trying to take over Reid’s leadership post in the Senate.

Jill1066 on July 2, 2010 at 5:56 PM

the prospect of thousands of angry Republican NRA donors tearing up their checkbooks

Actually, that is not just a ‘prospect’…for me, it’s a guarantee.

If this happens, Wayne LaPierre will preside over the largest mass exodus of members the NRA has seen.

AUINSC on July 2, 2010 at 5:57 PM

check! no one.

ted c on July 2, 2010 at 5:57 PM

upinak on July 2, 2010 at 5:51 PM

It’s not like the government panels wouldn’t considered gun ownership a health hazard.

chemman on July 2, 2010 at 5:58 PM

What’s the NRA going to do once Reid votes for Kagan? This was a stupid move.

Jorge Bonilla on July 2, 2010 at 5:59 PM

Like I said… I knew a man once who sold his soul for thirty peices of silver.

CynicalOptimist on July 2, 2010 at 5:59 PM

It’s not like the government panels wouldn’t considered gun ownership a health hazard.

chemman on July 2, 2010 at 5:58 PM

Guns and Health Care have nothing to do with each other.

upinak on July 2, 2010 at 6:00 PM

First the NRA cuts themselves a deal to grant themselves a waiver on free speech restrictions.

Now they’re endorsing Democrats…

Well they’re not getting my money ever again. But they’re allying themselves with a party they think is stronger politically… What do they know?

Skywise on July 2, 2010 at 5:54 PM

I don’t know why they’re selling out to the Dems like this. First of all, Wall Street already did this in 2008. How’d that work out for them? When push comes to shove, Democrats will throw ANYBODY under the bus. Granted, they’ve shown an unwavering loyalty to the unions and minority voters, but trust me, even that would go by the wayside if it was politically advantageous.

And secondly, the Dems might not be in power for much longer. Why align yourselves with a sinking ship? Obviously the GOP and conservatives will remain pro-2nd amendment whether in control of Congress or not, but that doesn’t mean they’ll be beholden to the NRA. Another organization with their head not shoved up their behind could easily take its place if they keep this up.

Doughboy on July 2, 2010 at 6:00 PM

If the NRA thinks they can finesse their way into supporting Harry Reid and not lose a significant number of members, they are as out of touch as the rest of the Beltway pukes!

tomshup on July 2, 2010 at 6:00 PM

The NRA defending Mr. “The War is Lost”…

Bye-Bye moneypoo…!

Seven Percent Solution on July 2, 2010 at 6:01 PM

An endorsement of Reid will effectively be the end of the NRA as a viable political player … as well it should be.

thirteen28 on July 2, 2010 at 6:03 PM

I belong to an excellent, very private gun range here in SoCal (350 members, max). Unfortunately, one must be an NRA member to join. I guess I’ll approach the board about allowing GOA members.

pugwriter on July 2, 2010 at 6:04 PM

When I was putting in my private range the NRA was very helpful guiding me about building a bullet trap, that was early 80′s since Wayne LaPierre took over the only thing the NRA ever got from me was in their Round-Up program with Midway USA wich I no longer give my consent to.

fourdeucer on July 2, 2010 at 6:04 PM

What a bunch of sellouts. All NRA members need to cancel their membership.

ramrants on July 2, 2010 at 6:06 PM

There are indications that the NRA will go the way of the AARP and begin selling out their members for political favors without regards for the end result of where their members desire to be. The NRA supported free speech restrictions because they were excluded from having to be held accountable. Just the possibilty of LaPierre supporting Reid is enough for me to discontinue membership. LaPierre is the next Lindsey Grahamnesty. Liberalism is definitely a mental disorder and can effect either side of the aisle.

volsense on July 2, 2010 at 6:07 PM

Come to think of it, the NRA needs Dems in order to stay in business. It’s kind of like a Redevelopment Agency trying to remove blight. What would the bureaucrats in the RDA do without their blighted project areas? They need “blight” like the NRA needs liberals.

pugwriter on July 2, 2010 at 6:07 PM

The NRA is becoming a single issue head up arse group.

tarpon on July 2, 2010 at 6:09 PM

They need “blight” like the NRA needs liberals.

pugwriter on July 2, 2010 at 6:07 PM

liberals are a blight… to bad you can’t usually spray them down with a fungicide.

upinak on July 2, 2010 at 6:10 PM

liberals are a blight… to bad you can’t usually spray them down with a fungicide.

upinak on July 2, 2010 at 6:10 PM

Truth spoken here.

pugwriter on July 2, 2010 at 6:11 PM

While I’m not a fan of Reid in any way – if he loses and the Dems retain control of the Senate then Schumer or Durbin takes over as majority leader and the anti-gun bills will start flowing. If the D’s also retain the House then the 94 AW ban will seem like the good old days.

alilianstrom on July 2, 2010 at 6:12 PM

It’s not like the government panels wouldn’t considered gun ownership a health hazard.

chemman on July 2, 2010 at 5:58 PM

Guns and Health Care have nothing to do with each other.

upinak on July 2, 2010 at 6:00 PM

You and I don’t think so but you can bet that crowd that thinks they should be able to control what you and I eat think so.

CWforFreedom on July 2, 2010 at 6:13 PM

what was the biggest gift to the NRA in terms of membership in the past 20 years… Barry Obamalaise. I guess they hope their are enough ignorant voters out there that they can hope that if the senate stays in the Dem’s hands, the big cash will come flowing in…

phreshone on July 2, 2010 at 6:13 PM

Just guessing but of the many handguns I have bought over the last 40 years the NRA has had membership cards in about 90% of those new guns. Never been much for being a member of any organization and never joined the NRA but I do applaud their consistent dedication to the second amendment.

fourdeucer on July 2, 2010 at 6:14 PM

I read somewhere last night the NRA disputed the “rumor” that they restricted their board members from commenting on Kagan…the statement said the Ted Nugent is on the NRA board and who can keep Ted from speaking his mind….

d1carter on July 2, 2010 at 6:14 PM

While I’m not a fan of Reid in any way – if he loses and the Dems retain control of the Senate then Schumer or Durbin takes over as majority leader and the anti-gun bills will start flowing. If the D’s also retain the House then the 94 AW ban will seem like the good old days.

alilianstrom on July 2, 2010 at 6:12 PM

They’ll start flowing but they’ll never get through the House if November is the electoral firestorm I think it’s going to be.

pugwriter on July 2, 2010 at 6:15 PM

Ya’ll can burn up the phone lines on Monday or Tuesday.

NRA You may also contact us by phone at (800) 392-VOTE (8683), Monday-Friday, between the hours of 8:30 a.m. – 5:00 p.m., EST.

Share your thought for a free phone call,if you are a member tell them to save the mail cost.

Col.John Wm. Reed on July 2, 2010 at 6:15 PM

Nevadans aren’t going to fall for it. Anyone who owns a gun is going to be concerned about the issues Dingy is terrible on. AND the park isn’t going anywhere when Harry is sent packing back to Searchlight.

csdeven on July 2, 2010 at 6:15 PM

You and I don’t think so but you can bet that crowd that thinks they should be able to control what you and I eat think so.

CWforFreedom on July 2, 2010 at 6:13 PM

Give me Bacon, or give me WAR!

upinak on July 2, 2010 at 6:16 PM

WTF is the NRA asking to include in bills that have nothing to do with guns?

Anyone who is part of the NRA, you better start asking questions…. it is your money remember!

upinak on July 2, 2010 at 5:51 PM

If I recall, weren’t there actually provisions in Health Control for medical people to include things like firearms ownership in questioning patients? I know the AMA, or someone, was pushing for having pediatritians ask that of children.

JamesLee on July 2, 2010 at 6:16 PM

I AM the NRA…

This is silliness…

NRAILA tends to support a) people who it thinks can win and b) people with track records for supporting 2A issues.

I don’t think that Reid qualifies in A, but unfortunately he has helped with b.

For the record, the great god Ronald Reagan screwed gun owners in California when he was governor. We got the AW ban from another “conservative” Republican that went on to ripple across the country. I’m scared to death about Whitman’s “defense of the 2A”.

So let me tell you the same thing I tell the newbies who wake up every election cycle. “Don’t get your panties in a knot.” You’re buying trouble prematurely and causing dissension unnecessarily. (Hmm, who enjoys this sort of problem?)

The point about the “health insurance” has to do with gun ownership. If your kid’s pediatrician asks him if daddy or mommy have guns, and use that to either mess with your family or cancel your health insurance, isn’t that a problem. How about if you actually read your homeowners policy and the fine print mentions that if you have guns, you won’t be covered.

There’s a bunch of stuff going on with gun owners. Paying attention to it is almost a full time job. The other “pro-gun” organizations, love to whine about NRA. (Some of them even whine about NRA while testifying that they have no problem with gun-control. I’ve heard the recordings.)

NRA is going to do the best they can for the Second Amendment. NRA is NOT the “National Republican Association”. I’m personally unhappy that spineless Republicans have screwed Americans on gun rights.

But the thing to remember is that the NRA is about the 2nd Amendment, not the “Republican Party” or “conservative values”. There is a great cross over. I’ll take off my NRA hat and help Republicans or conservatives. But when “conservatives” expect to have the NRA help them because they are “conservative” its a bad deal.

Like all politics, this is full of snakes. Just because someone says they are conservative doesn’t mean they are. Just because they say they are for “gun rights” doesn’t mean that they are.

Now I’ve only been doing this a close range since 1989, so maybe I don’t understand all of what is going on. But I’ve got friends in appropriate places to ask when I want to know the truth.

This whole deal is a silly digression. Lets see what NRA does when it gets down it.

CrazyGene on July 2, 2010 at 6:19 PM

They will lose membership…wait and see

ladyingray on July 2, 2010 at 6:19 PM

This is outragous. The NRA might try excuse themselves with the “we’re a single issue organization” bullsh!t, but other organizations like Gunownsers of America would never do that.

Besides, NRA-members are not single-issue voters. I’ve been to many NRA conventions, and I have yet to meet a single regular member who was a open liberal.

Regardless of what the NRA now does, it has lost. Many people will not renew their membership.

Norwegian on July 2, 2010 at 6:20 PM

Unforgivable they’re even considering this. I’m not a member, but if I were I’d cancel immediately.

therightwinger on July 2, 2010 at 6:23 PM

If I recall, weren’t there actually provisions in Health Control for medical people to include things like firearms ownership in questioning patients? I know the AMA, or someone, was pushing for having pediatritians ask that of children.

JamesLee on July 2, 2010 at 6:16 PM

Yet it still has nothing to do with health care. And if I had a child, and my doc asked my child about my guns… we would have a round of words.

upinak on July 2, 2010 at 6:24 PM

Have you ever met Ted Nugent? Talked to him about gun rights?

How many people do you think there are on the NRA Board of Directors?

Herding cats is simple compared to “gun rights”.

The McDonald decision doesn’t end the gun rights fight, it just moves it into a better direction. There is a lot of work to do.

CrazyGene on July 2, 2010 at 6:26 PM

upinak on July 2, 2010 at 6:24 PM

Oh, believe me, I agree with you 110%! That didn’t stop the nannybsartists from trying to get what they wanted anyway.

JamesLee on July 2, 2010 at 6:29 PM

What’s the NRA going to do once Reid votes for Kagan? This was a stupid move.

Jorge Bonilla on July 2, 2010 at 5:59 PM

And didn’t he vote to confirm Sotomayor, who was one of the four anti-2nd Amendment justices in the recent MacDonald decision?

AZCoyote on July 2, 2010 at 6:30 PM

Yet it still has nothing to do with health care. And if I had a child, and my doc asked my child about my guns… we would have a round of words.

upinak on July 2, 2010 at 6:24 PM

You’ve never seen Democrats attack from outside the little lines.

If they can’t ban “guns” then the will try to ban “bullets”.

They expel school children for drawing pictures of guns. Have you been asleep for the last 20 years?

“Gun Violence” was a “public health problem” until NRA got the CDC’s funding adjusted to eliminate that sort of stupidity.

Our problem is removing the bureaucrats and limiting their power. NRA and gun rights, are just the canary in the coal mine.

The current attack on the NRA is another jedi mind trick (Remember, they only work on the weak minded.)

CrazyGene on July 2, 2010 at 6:31 PM

CrazyGene on July 2, 2010 at 6:19 PM

LaPierre and Cox need to be fired. They have been playing the game so long that they have forgotten the goal isn’t to keep the game going, but to win it.
Look at their behavior RE Heller and Mcdonald. They only signed amicus briefs once they realized that they could not stop it from going to the SCOTUS.
Won’t even go into their firearm training programs.
They have gotten their last dime from me until Lapierre and Cox are gone.

Nathan_OH on July 2, 2010 at 6:34 PM

Exit question: They’re going to end up endorsing no one in this race, aren’t they?

Correct.

ButterflyDragon on July 2, 2010 at 6:34 PM

Even if he is the guardian of the 2nd (and he’s not) it’s not enough…. HE’S AN IDIOT!!

PaCadle on July 2, 2010 at 6:35 PM

Here’s a little thought experiment.

Your left wing gay pediatrician says something you disagree with and you have “words”.

You sufficiently irritate the good doctor, so he calls the local child protective services bureaucracy.

Guess what happens to you and your kids?
You have one of those insurance policies that covers legal action don’t you?

You have $100,000′s in the bank to cover legal costs?

Get a grip.

CrazyGene on July 2, 2010 at 6:35 PM

Get a grip.

CrazyGene on July 2, 2010 at 6:35 PM

That wasn’t the best analogy I’ve ever heard.

AUINSC on July 2, 2010 at 6:39 PM

Exit question: They’re going to end up endorsing no one in this race, aren’t they?

Yeap… DISCLOSE Act + Reid endorsement = End of the NRA…

ninjapirate on July 2, 2010 at 6:44 PM

Don’t see what the imbroglio over this is all about. First, it’s still a long shot that we get 51 votes in November. Given those odds, if Dingy goes down, and BTW I’m supporting Angle to the hilt, we’re likely to see a completely anti-gun Dem. Majority leader, like Chuck-you or Turban. If my only issue were gun rights, I’d probably have to do what the NRA is doing here.

That said, I’m lobbying them to stay out of itor endorse both.

TXUS on July 2, 2010 at 6:44 PM

I’ll miss getting my American Rifleman in the mail…

Dork B. on July 2, 2010 at 6:46 PM

CrazyGene on July 2, 2010 at 6:35 PM

Eh, OK?

Now I see where you got your handle-name from…

I kid, I kid

Norwegian on July 2, 2010 at 6:46 PM

Senator Reid was instrumental in arranging not only the transfer of the then-federal lands to Clark County where the Park is located, but also in securing $61 million in funding to develop and build the Park. The Clark County Shooting Park would not have been built without his active efforts and support.

Great the NRA is stealing money from my children to benefit folks in Nevada. I hear Gun Owners of America actually cares about liberty in Amerika!

david kumbera on July 2, 2010 at 6:51 PM

Eh, OK?

Now I see where you got your handle-name from…

I kid, I kid

Norwegian on July 2, 2010 at 6:46 PM

Others have felt the same way….

Usually they have Obama stickers on their Yugo’s, though.

CrazyGene on July 2, 2010 at 6:53 PM

Have already sent them an email telling ‘em to stay out of it. They endorse Reid, I’m outta there.

GarandFan on July 2, 2010 at 6:54 PM

Since then, as U.S. Senate Majority Leader

I guess they see him as useful as MAJORITY leader (as they made sure to note that in their response… and he’ll probably maintain that position after November (should he manage to win)… but with the House in serious doubt, the Dems are gonna move left in EVERYTHING to try and excite the base for 2012.

An endorsement of Reid would gain them little and cost them a chunk of change.

mankai on July 2, 2010 at 7:00 PM

Great the NRA is stealing money from my children to benefit folks in Nevada. I hear Gun Owners of America actually cares about liberty in Amerika!

david kumbera on July 2, 2010 at 6:51 PM

Usually when one of these silly brouhahas appears, we find Larry Pratt behind it.

(The goal here is $$$$ … If Pratt can convince people to send the money they’d send to NRA to Gun Owners of America, he’s happy. Unfortunately, a lot of the advocate stuff is really just some guy’s scam to make money. )

CrazyGene on July 2, 2010 at 7:01 PM

It would appear the nra is in bed with this bho as is aarp. Our home will not renew with nra. You get in bed with the devil nra, you will get those who do not want to deal with the devil! The 2nd still has the slim SC we have the right. We vote and we are mad.
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letget on July 2, 2010 at 7:03 PM

Instead of mental masturbation here, contact the NRA and tell them. I just did.

Dingbat63 on July 2, 2010 at 7:04 PM

My Dad was right, Don’t Ever join the NRA, DISCLOSE anyone? They are no different than the NEA,AMA or AARP, hell any politician would fit the description, Self serving Swine.
Screw You Taxpayers!

Bobnormal on July 2, 2010 at 7:20 PM

Gee, I guess I’ll never need to join the NRA.

Any “single issue” advocacy organization that would support Harry Reid AND the Disclose Act, (which would limit the ability of other 2nd Amendment organizations to advocate FOR the 2nd Amendment), is far too lacking in spine to support.

mizzoujgrad on July 2, 2010 at 7:24 PM

One of my clients is an own of a major gun distributorship in NJ. I told him about the NRA’s waffling and he was outraged. He’s going to call them to get to the bottom of this. Needless to say, he’s a valued member of the NRA and would quit over this.

njrob on July 2, 2010 at 7:27 PM

The NRA is certainly capable of making recommendations based on political realities rather than strictly on pro-/anti-gun performance. They endorsed Dan Lungren for California Governor not because of his stance on gun issues (he was a tireless opponent of gun owner’s rights as Attorney General), but because redistricting was approaching, and, with a Democrat legislature, the only possible counter was a Republican in the Governor’s mansion. The NRA thought that was more important than his stand on gun issues and endorsed him even though Tanya Metaksa, then the Executive Director of the ILA (NRA’s political wing) swore to members that the NRA would do no such thing.

I’m not prepared to say they were wrong (though Lungren lost and the NRA came out of it with nothing but angry members and lost credibility.) But please, NRA, spare us your assurances that endorsements are “based solely on a candidate’s support for, or opposition to, our Second Amendment rights.” Because we know they aren’t.

Socratease on July 2, 2010 at 7:28 PM

Note to the NRA, if you endorse Harry Reid, you may as well stop printing copies of The American Rifleman and save a few trees, because there won’t be any members left to send them to.

Try lobbying without our dues while you’re at it.

Money talks, BS walks and without any dues paying members, you may as well change your name to The SOL.

SuperCool on July 2, 2010 at 7:33 PM

NRA endorsed Dr. Coburn’s Dem opponent in 2004 who pretended to be conservative. Carson only used his old pickup truck with the gun rack during election years. There was such an uproar against the NRA endorsement they decided to endorse both.

Gun Owners of America picked up a lot of new members from Oklahoma after that debacle by the NRA. Anyone who thinks the NRA is a conservative organization needs to think again.

PhiKapMom on July 2, 2010 at 7:35 PM

The Federal Machine at work: Reid taxes you and me, builds a “2,900-acre state-of-the-art facility” with our money for the NRA leadership, and that leadership helps Reid get elected, either by endorsement or neutrality. Exactly the same as the Chicago Machine: local tax money for union jobs for campaign workers and donations.

motionview on July 2, 2010 at 7:55 PM

I’m with CrazyGene. Allowing the perfect to become the enemy of the good when you’re a single- issue advocacy group is the quickest way to be sure that you and your constituency get nothing. The NRA is not an arm of the GOP. They are about doing what needs to be done in order to protect the 2nd Amendment as best they can. In doing that, they make a deal with every politician who accepts their endorsement: Vote the correct way on our issue and we will support you no matter how you vote on other issues unrelated to our cause.

If a political hack gets your endorsement and then reliably votes the way you want him to on your single issue, then when he comes up for re- election, you owe him your endorsement again. After all he kept his end of the deal.

At the very least you owe him the favor of not doing his campaign any harm. If you don’t endorse him, then at least you don’t endorse his opponent. Every one of the politicians who have accepted the NRA’s endorsement over the years will be watching how the NRA threads this needle. Many of them, especially on the Dem side, who have bucked their party leadership on this issue and fought off primary challenges from their left will watching to see if the NRA is as good as their word. After all, why buck your leadership and the anti- gun loons if the NRA is just going to sell you out anyway?

Devil’s bargain? Sometimes. That’s life in the real world and expecting that throwing a tantrum and abandoning an organization that has done more to protect the RKBA over the last 130+ years than any of the next 10 gun rights organizations combined will change that reality is foolish.

Dukeboy01 on July 2, 2010 at 8:00 PM

Anyone who thinks the NRA is a conservative organization needs to think again.

It doesn’t claim to be. It’s a pro-gun-rights organization. They’re not necessarily the same thing.

Socratease on July 2, 2010 at 8:08 PM

You reap what you sow, you crazy TP’ers. I would rather vote for Reid than that scientologist nutcase. Bloody usurper! When has it become conservative value to steal the fruits of someone else’s labor?

year_of_the_dingo on July 2, 2010 at 8:18 PM

You know, the NRA pisses me off LOTS AND LOTS, but I have to admit that this is a bit of a tempest in a teapot.

Face it, how many conservatives will choose Reid over Angle based on an NRA press release?

It’s not the NRA’s job to get Republicans (or conservatives)elected any more than it’s Ford’s job.

Merovign on July 2, 2010 at 8:18 PM

It’s not the NRA’s job to get Republicans (or conservatives)elected any more than it’s Ford’s job.

Merovign on July 2, 2010 at 8:18 PM

It’s their job to support candidates that aren’t anti-gun. Since gun control is part and parcel of being a Democrat, this kind of nonsense makes them worse than useless.

Asher on July 2, 2010 at 9:08 PM

I dropped my membership to the NRA quite awhile back just because of this kind of crap…and the fact that they are continuously calling me begging for money that they seem to be spending to get people like Dingy Harry re-elected.

BadMojo on July 2, 2010 at 9:11 PM

I sincerely hope the nra membership goes down to nothing,we are doing our part to see that it does.

ohiobabe on July 2, 2010 at 9:26 PM

Most recently, the NRA worked with Sen. Reid to include in his manager’s amendment to the health care reform bill a provision that prohibits the disclosure or collection of information relating to the lawful ownership, use or storage of firearms or ammunition and also prohibits lawful gun ownership, possession and use from being used as a factor to determine eligibility or premium rates for health insurance. This provision was adopted on December 22, 2009 and was included in this legislation when it was signed into law on March 23.

WTF is the NRA asking to include in bills that have nothing to do with guns?

Anyone who is part of the NRA, you better start asking questions…. it is your money remember!

upinak on July 2, 2010 at 5:51 PM

This has a huge amount to do with guns. Do you want a government busybody collecting and using information on gun-ownership to decide you are ineligible for insurance?

I hate the healthcare bill, but as a pro-second amendment organization, the NRA’s primary interest has to be in making sure that the government cannot use it as a covert way to bully people out of gun ownership.

RINO in Name Only on July 2, 2010 at 9:27 PM

I resigned from the NRA tonight. They are dead to me. It’s just another lobbying organization on the take.

simkeith on July 2, 2010 at 9:29 PM

They endorsed Ted Strickland over Republican opponent John Kasich in Ohio. This wouldn’t surprise me. Though Stricklands got a pretty good firearm record, so I understand their reason. But I personally know three or four folks who have canceled their memberships as a result. I’m sure there are plenty of others as well.

NoStoppingUs on July 2, 2010 at 9:54 PM

It’s a pro-gun-rights organization.

Socratease on July 2, 2010 at 8:08 PM

Absolute nonsense. They are the lobbyists for the gun manufacturers. They don’t care about your right to own guns… only the industry’s right to sell you guns.

Fortunately, there is a pro-gun-rights organization you can give your money, time, and efforts to. They are the Gun Owners of America, and they will defend your right as an individual to own firearms, without compromise.

Without compromise.

JohnGalt23 on July 2, 2010 at 10:14 PM

Absolute nonsense. They are the lobbyists for the gun manufacturers. They don’t care about your right to own guns… only the industry’s right to sell you guns.

Fortunately, there is a pro-gun-rights organization you can give your money, time, and efforts to. They are the Gun Owners of America, and they will defend your right as an individual to own firearms, without compromise.

Without compromise.

JohnGalt23 on July 2, 2010 at 10:14 PM

Since I’m as close to an insider as you’re ever going to get on this list, I want to point out to every one of you what total garbage this is.

This guy just told you what was going on, this is a “Gun Owners of America” fundraising scam.

Sure NRA sent out a letter telling people to pat Dingy Harry for his good deeds. You would have done the same, in NRA’s shoes.

The Disclose Act is pure manure. NRA wasn’t buying it, and this “carve out” is just the Dem’s cover story.

And all of the rest of this “hard core” bull, is GOA’s consistent line.

NRA cares about gun owners, gun shop owners, manufacturers, distributors, hunters and target shooters. Over the last 21 years I’ve watched Wayne and his staff, the attorneys, the Civil Rights Defense fund and every other part of the organization try with all their might to do right by their members and the American people.

And for the last years there has always been some moron who thinks that if you’re just a little more “hard core, like GOA” that everything would be better. GOA does nothing except fund raise. (And cause little tantrums like this.)

None of this is easy, and a lot of it isn’t simple and straight forward, politics never is. But this idiocy reminds me of the California Republican Party, when there was one. It excelled at circular firing squads.

CrazyGene on July 2, 2010 at 10:41 PM

Make it three, Allah. Make it three.

I gave them my membership number and told them not even to bother emailing me again if they endorse that effing cun*. They can just cancel my 10 year membership on the spot and know that they’ll never get another cent from me, nor any other form of association.

They will deeply regret this decision in the long run, as the alienation of a majority of their membership is the inevitable result.

Jaibones on July 2, 2010 at 11:10 PM

The Federal Machine at work: Reid taxes you and me, builds a “2,900-acre state-of-the-art facility” with our money for the NRA leadership, and that leadership helps Reid get elected, either by endorsement or neutrality. Exactly the same as the Chicago Machine: local tax money for union jobs for campaign workers and donations.

motionview on July 2, 2010 at 7:55 PM

Exactly…Reid steals $61 million from the taxpayers and buys re-election with it by handing it over to these scumbags.

Adios, NRA scum.

Jaibones on July 2, 2010 at 11:40 PM

I’m sorry, but I can’t get upset with the NRA for this.

The NRA is a single issue, special interest organization whose primary goal is to maintain and promote the firearms rights of its members. Nothing more, nothing less. The NRA does and always has endorsed Democrats in races all over the country who display a strong record of pro-Second Amendment voting. Nothing wrong with that. The candidates’ history on taxes or abortion or budget items or whatever else are totally irrelevant. This is what single issue advocacy organizations do.

The NRA is not a GOP operation. That’s not a bad thing. How many Dems these days are in a big hurry to vote for ANY anti-gun legislation? Well, outside of Chi/NY/LA anyway.

I won’t be cancelling my lifetime NRA membership or tearing up my card or sending any snarky messages to them over this. They are doing exactly what I pay them to do……seeking out the best potential candidates that understand and back personal firearm rights. I’m not paying them to look for the most conservative or biggest foreign policy hawk in the race. I do that myself.

JoeinTX on July 3, 2010 at 4:33 AM

This is unbelievable and again if true totally unacceptable. Members like myself will not stand for this b/s. Think twice before you do something so stupid Judas, for that 30 pieces of silver you WILL pay the Price!!

try again later on July 3, 2010 at 7:25 AM

NRAARP

angryed on July 3, 2010 at 8:08 AM

You might expect something like this from AARP, but from the NRA? NO WAY!

petefrt on July 3, 2010 at 8:31 AM

I always thought the NRA was “Country First”! If they support Reid after all the crap he has foisted on the people of this country just because he was a Democrat first and American second. Well let Reid take their guns away when Obama wants it because he’ll do it in a New York minute.

Herb on July 3, 2010 at 9:11 AM

He’s “great on guns” for the moment. If he perceives it’s to his political advantage to not be “great on guns,” look out. He is a Democrat after all.

ncborn on July 3, 2010 at 9:47 AM

Guns and Health Care have nothing to do with each other.

upinak on July 2, 2010 at 6:00 PM

Uh, most of the so called solutions the government comes up with have nothing do do with the problems they were meant to “fix.”

JellyToast on July 3, 2010 at 10:08 AM

The NRA is in the business of keeping the NRA in business.

southsideironworks on July 3, 2010 at 10:12 AM

I smell a deal of some kind here. Not renewing my membership, either.

Kissmygrits on July 3, 2010 at 11:00 AM

The HR 5175 fiasco and now this? I’m not sticking around to see what they do in Nevada. I’m outta here now. I just e-mailed them that I threw my NRA hats in the garbage and I want no more e-mails or magazines sent to me. I understand that they are a single issue advocacy group, but their myopia is dangerous. The events of the past weeks have shown how corruption creeps into organizations. Mr. Lapierre has had his big, red donkey d*ck sucked too many times in the Capitol. Not one more dime from this boy.

PD Quig on July 3, 2010 at 11:53 AM

An endorsement of Reid will effectively be the end of the NRA as a viable political player … as well it should be.

thirteen28 on July 2, 2010 at 6:03 PM

I concur.

MCGIRV on July 3, 2010 at 12:54 PM

This argument that the NRA is a “single issue” organization is bunk! Who gives a rip what Senator Reid supported as far as gun legislation! The NRA can’t find a Conservative who would do the same?! B.S. I’ll be revoking my membership if this goes any further in support of Reid.

jeffersonschild on July 3, 2010 at 1:16 PM

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