How did four Supreme Court justices wind up arguing against the Constitution?
posted at 3:35 pm on July 1, 2010 by Ed Morrissey
Maybe we should avoid revisiting the McDonald decision too often, in order to avoid looking a gift horse in the mouth. The Supreme Court has made an individual right to gun ownership settled law, more than 220 years after the founders mistakenly believed they had settled the issue. Reason’s Jacob Sullum isn’t satisfied with the conclusion, however, after watching four Supreme Court justices argue against the Constitution and individual rights in general:
In their dissenting opinions, Justices John Paul Stevens and Stephen Breyer (joined by Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Sonia Sotomayor) worry that overturning gun control laws undermines democracy. If “the people” want to ban handguns, they say, “the people” should be allowed to implement that desire through their elected representatives.
What if the people want to ban books that offend them, establish an official church, or authorize police to conduct warrantless searches at will? Those options are also foreclosed by constitutional provisions that apply to the states by way of the 14th Amendment. The crucial difference between a pure democracy and a constitutional democracy like ours is that sometimes the majority does not decide. …
Another reason to doubt the dissenters’ sincerity: They would never accept federalism as a rationale for letting states “experiment” with freedom of speech, freedom of religion, or due process protections. Much of their job, as they themselves see it, involves overriding “local preferences” that give short shrift to constitutional rights.
Second Amendment rights are different, Breyer says, because “determining the constitutionality of a particular state gun law requires finding answers to complex empirically based questions.” So does weighing the claims in favor of banning child pornography or depictions of animal cruelty, relaxing the Miranda rule, admitting illegally obtained evidence, or allowing warrantless pat-downs, dog sniffs, or infrared surveillance.
When they decide whether a law or practice violates a constitutional right, courts cannot avoid empirical questions. In cases involving racial discrimination or content-based speech restrictions, for example, they ask whether the challenged law is “narrowly tailored to serve a compelling state interest” and is the “least restrictive means” of doing so.
Sullum notes that Stevens argued that firearms have a “fundamentally ambivalent relationship to liberty,” which is amazing from a jurist supposedly working within the Constitution. The document itself recognizes that a free people have the right to self-defense by owning firearms, an explicit rejection of any such ambivalence. In fact, they found the connection between gun ownership and liberty so unproblematic that they guaranteed the right of the people to keep and bear arms in the second explicit statement of uninfringeable individual liberties in the Constitution.
If the issue is that the right to gun ownership can be abused, well, so can all of the other rights. Part of the reason why gun owners need to keep their own weapons is precisely because gun ownership can be abused. While the Left side of the Court extols the ability of states to act as laboratories for social and legal innovation, they ignore the fact that the “experiments” in gun bans have proven without exception to be failures. Banning handguns and other firearms in Chicago didn’t keep guns out of the city; the laws just ensured that law-abiding citizens would be disarmed and at the mercy of those who would abuse gun ownership for criminal enterprises. Those hardest hit are citizens in urban areas, who are more likely to be poor and members of minorities, as well, who cannot rely on police to act as personal bodyguards at all times.
The decision reveals a fundamental antipathy on the part of liberal jurists to the clear language of the Constitution. While we celebrate the fact that five Justices got it right, we should be very worried that the other four still would rather search for penumbras and emanations for their own idea of social engineering than in actually reading the clear text of the document they swore to uphold.










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Hopefully this won’t be a shock to you, but you cannot carry a weapon into a bank, or a federal building, even if you have a CCW permit. I can’t say all, but a whole bunch of school systems also ban “arms” on school property.
Keep in mind the 2nd amendment use of the term “arms” does not limit itself to firearms only. It includes pikes, swords, knives, and so forth. A “firearm” is an “arm” that “fires”.
BobMbx on July 1, 2010 at 5:06 PM
Well, arms not used by law enforcement. But your First Amendment rights are limited in those places as well. If those in charge don’t want you speaking, they can force you to be removed.
Esthier on July 1, 2010 at 5:10 PM
Can I assume that they’ll adhere to this same logic when the California anti-Prop 8 case makes it to SCOTUS?
malclave on July 1, 2010 at 5:11 PM
Then we killed several hundred thousands of ourselves in an effort preserve the union. For the next hundred years, the battle was fought in the courtroom and on the streets in Alabama and Mississippi against the local governments.
Who wants to use the 4 dipshits theory as an argument on states determining their own interpretation of the BOR when it comes to “Whites Only” or “Back of the Bus” legislation?
You think any of those 4 would dare say that states can ignore the BOR in that case?
BobMbx on July 1, 2010 at 5:11 PM
I have a TN state issued Handgun Carry Permit. By Public I mean outside of your own home. I can understand on Government property, I can even understand on schools (except the parents) and in bars and a few other places.
But can a State or the Federal Government enact a rule that states No Free Speech or Protest outside of your home? If not, how could they then restrict the 2nd Amendment outside your home?
Holger on July 1, 2010 at 5:12 PM
Stunning but true. Wikipedia is shaky, I know, but this is pretty good: Incorporation.
It was the 14th Amendment that started the incorporation of the Bill of Rights to the states.
A number of scholars have argued that the “privileges and immunities” clause of the Constitution was designed to protect the people from states violating their rights. But in a famous set of decisions called the Slaughterhouse Cases (1873), the Court ruled that the “privileges and immunities” clause only protects the rights of people going from state to state and not within a state. E.g., a person travelling from Ohio to Pennsylvania cannot have his rights taken away by the state of Pennsylvania just because he’s not a citizen of that state.
So, since then the Courts have used the 14th Amendment to strike down state laws that violate the US Constitution. But not all of the Bill of Rights have been applied to the states.
Of course the question is, what is meant by “privileges and immunities”?
SteveMG on July 1, 2010 at 5:13 PM
Certainly depends upon what “speech” you are making. Are you making threats or flashing your balls? You’re out. Are you asking for signatures on a petition? Don’t let the ACLU hear about it if they toss you out.
BobMbx on July 1, 2010 at 5:14 PM
The answer is flatly “no”. As long as your activity is an exercise of free speech by definition of myriad court cases.
BobMbx on July 1, 2010 at 5:17 PM
This statement is quite revealing.
Following the logic of this statement, if the people want to ban anything protected by the Constitution, not only could they do it, these justices say the people should be allowed to implement that desire through their elected representatives.
Apparently, the words in the Constitution such as shall make no law and shall not be infringed, do not mean what I thought they mean.
rukiddingme on July 1, 2010 at 5:19 PM
Let me get this straight. You have three of the four who voted against the Second Amendment were all supported by Harry Reid. You have Kennedy, Roberts, and Alito who supported the Second Amendment were opposed by Reid and the NRA is going to support Reid? As God as my witness they will never live that down.
Jdripper on July 1, 2010 at 5:24 PM
If it’s a content neutral ban and then can prove a compelling state interest to do so, yes they can.
An absolute ban? No. But a limited one? Yes.
SteveMG on July 1, 2010 at 5:24 PM
Given this ideology, if Georgia sued the US Government for damages incurred during the Civil War (didn’t the people of Georgia decide to keep slavery and secede from the Union?)
It would be glorious to hear Sotamayor argue in favor of a state creating segregation laws based on race. In effect, isn’t that what she has done here?
BobMbx on July 1, 2010 at 5:25 PM
Kagan evidenced the same rotten tranzi attitude in her testimony today, stating that our rights didn’t exist before the Constitution. The totalitarian argument that government is the grantor of our rights and thus entitled to limit them however THEY see fit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gCPhlxoLxw
The rotten marxist apparently never read or pretends that the preamble in the Declaration doesn’t exist.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,
It is time for a mass campaign to educate Americans of our REAL heritage and to purge marxists from our government and education/indoctrination facilities.
rayra on July 1, 2010 at 5:27 PM
The second amendment is not about plinking, hunting, or self defense.
It is about, NEX UT TYRANNUS.
Slowburn on July 1, 2010 at 5:29 PM
Would that also apply to the 2nd Amendment? Or could the States and Local governments have an absolute ban on the 2nd Amendment outside of your home or off of your property?
Holger on July 1, 2010 at 5:38 PM
They cannot outlaw Free Speech in public, could they outlaw exercising the Right to Keep and Bear Arms in public?
Holger on July 1, 2010 at 4:54 PM
try to have your free speech on a college campaus. see how far you get with that free speech if your speech goes against what they want you to preach.
unseen on July 1, 2010 at 5:43 PM
I wonder if the justices would feel differently if they didn’t have multiple armed bodyguards. Maybe everyone should get the same police protection as the least of us in the USA gun grabbers like Ginsburg and Breyer would feel differently.
iconoclast on July 1, 2010 at 5:46 PM
The Court ruled that individuals have a Constitutionally-protected individual right to own a gun. States and municipalities may not enact absolute bans on the ownership of guns.
But all of our rights can be limited depending on the circumstances. None are absolute. Free speech doesn’t mean we can libel someone or commit perjury, et cetera.
So, courts will now work out the limits that states/cities can enact. This is what Justice Breyer was complaining about.
My guess is that convicted felons will still not be able to have a gun. And people under 21 or 18 can be prevented from having guns. And they can require locks, et cetera.
After that, I guess it’s all up in the air.
SteveMG on July 1, 2010 at 5:48 PM
So, all rights except the 2nd cannot be absolute banned outside of your home.
Holger on July 1, 2010 at 5:51 PM
BobMbx, you have proved my point. You say that for many years the Bill of Rights was interpreted to apply to the states, which is known as the incorporation doctrine. There is nothing, however, that is conservative about this if being conservative means being faithful to either the federalist traditions of our country and her founders or the original intent of the constitution. This is basically conservative judicial activism; the use of an already abusive and tyrannical court in order to implement what conservatives want. My argument is that this, in itself, is absolutely not conservative if the word still has substantial content.
Innocent Smith on July 1, 2010 at 5:53 PM
BTW: who is Obama going to nominate to replace Ginsburg?
I don’t see her lasting another year. She looked like a zombie at the SOU speech. At a minimum, she’s retiring well before the 2012 so that Obama gets the appointment. The GOP should then go all in to filibuster whoever he puts forward.
BuckeyeSam on July 1, 2010 at 6:02 PM
No, the 2nd cannot be absolutely banned for every citizen either. Not after this ruling.
Absolute bans for everyone are not allowed.
However partial bans for certain classes of citizens (convicted felons, children, et cetera) can still be allowed. The Courts will now work out what those limits are.
SteveMG on July 1, 2010 at 6:03 PM
Practically speaking, this might be a good ruling for the actual people of Illinois. As a general principle, though, this was a further assumption of state sovereignty and authority into the jurisdiction of the federal government. The fact that it was so called conservative justices who ruled this way should provide little comfort to Americans who desire an actual limited or constitutional government.
Innocent Smith on July 1, 2010 at 6:04 PM
The 14th Amendment is part of the Constitution.
And lets be serious for a few minutes. The Powers currently held by the Federal Government have arisen through Interpretation, very little Amendment. If anything, Sotomayor et al are not Judicial Activists, they are following the Precedent of Expanding Federal Power through Judicial Interpretation, it would be activist for a Judge to limit the Fed to its current size or shrink it.
Holger on July 1, 2010 at 6:07 PM
Holger, you have made a very good point. I think that conservatives should think seriously about what you have said. When the powers that be are marxist revolutionaries who have slowly eroded the authority of individual states in favor of a monolithic federal government (with very little resistance by the modern conservative movement), then the true conservative will not seek to actually conserve any of this. He will be, if anything, a counterrevolutionary. This, I think, is what is now needed. We should not be happy about this ruling as it pertains to the general trend of the courts. As you have said, this is simply a continuation of expanding federal power through judicial interpretation.
Innocent Smith on July 1, 2010 at 6:22 PM
whew. i was beginning to wonder if anyone on the right would see this 5-4 decision as the problem that it is. when 4 supremes can argue against gun ownership like this, it really is just a huge red flag for the future of the court and our country. this decision should have been 9-0.
Shawn92101 on July 1, 2010 at 6:27 PM
It is as if four “jurists” adopted George Carlin as the sportscaster, “I call ‘em like I see ‘em, and if I don’t see ‘em, I make ‘em up.”
Innocent Smith, I suggest you read the Thomas opinion for a little history lesson about “States Rights.” Usually when the Klan went on a lynching spree, the sheriff was leading the mob with the anonymity of the big white sheet and pointy hat. We can thank those long dead statesmen for the 14th Amendment.
Pelayo on July 1, 2010 at 6:29 PM
BuckeyeSam, hell, they need to filibuster Kagan. Draw the line in the sand now, next time will be too late.
Pelayo on July 1, 2010 at 6:33 PM
While I personally don’t like guns, I’m sympathetic to the right’s position from a Constitutional perspective. That said…
Come on. Are you really trying to claim that firearms have never played a role in curtailing liberty? That’s silly. You know perfectly well that Stevens has a point. I’m not saying it’s a point that should necessarily sway a case based on the Constitution, but what he’s saying is very clearly grounded in reality.
For that matter, the text of the 2nd Amendment refers to arms being needed for security, not for liberty. In this day and age, it’s especially clear that security and liberty (while both desirable, of course) are sometimes at odds. It’s a mistake for you to conflate them.
orange on July 1, 2010 at 6:37 PM
Orange, the ability to defend oneself and one’s kin and countrymen with violence is one of the most essential components of a free peoples. If you are arguing that guns have been used to curtail liberty then that only strengthens the conservative argument. After all, how can we defend ourselves from weapon wielding men who seek to conquer us when we do not have any means of defense?
Liberty can only flourish in a land well-secured. We do not have to conflate liberty with security to recognize that we simply cannot have one without the other. In fact, this recognition directly depends upon this distinction.
Innocent Smith on July 1, 2010 at 6:57 PM
Guns are tools. That is all. They have been used by hero and villain alike. They have been used by tyrants and freedom fighters.
Abuse of a Right is not reason to confiscate said Right.
Holger on July 1, 2010 at 7:00 PM
Just like Speech. And the Press.
malclave on July 1, 2010 at 8:13 PM
Sorry Bob, in Ohio you CAN carry into a bank both openly and conceal unless that bank has posted the required no weapons sign.
As for the others, I’ll just ask this question; Would you prefer a lawfully licensed person carrying a handgun (where the obtaining of the license requires training and certification) or someone with no training, no license, and probably less than honorable intentions?
jackal40 on July 1, 2010 at 8:14 PM
I do not believe there is a single example of a government maintaining power over an armed and resistant populace….no matter how well that government has been armed.
Fighton03 on July 1, 2010 at 8:41 PM
What if the citizens of a state want to ban abortion? Oh, right, the Supreme Court already said that we can’t. Never mind.
29Victor on July 1, 2010 at 8:43 PM
The issue s the criminal dems on the supreme court. All evil people.
proconstitution on July 1, 2010 at 9:02 PM
Boy wait till KegChin gets in there. She’s to the left of Stalin for goodness sakes.
johnnyU on July 1, 2010 at 9:18 PM
And of course the right to abortion is specifically noted in the constitution unlike gun rights. /
CWforFreedom on July 1, 2010 at 9:49 PM
Mayor Daley, you deserve neither security or liberty, you debase, reprobate usurper.
The 2nd amendment is to ensure the security of liberty for the people.
Inanemergencydial on July 1, 2010 at 10:14 PM
Actually it is all about liberty.
CWforFreedom on July 1, 2010 at 10:43 PM
I disagree with the above. The fact is that the federal Constitution always applied strictly to actions of the federal government and not to states until the Fourteenth Amendment. This decision would never have come down without the post-Civil War Fourteenth Amendment. The Second Amendment by itself does not bar state legislatures from enacting legislation banning individual gun ownership. You need the Fourteenth Amendment to get there, and that is what happened.
gocatholic on July 2, 2010 at 12:48 AM
There is a problem there. The Militia Acts of 1792 required gun ownership of all free white able bodied males (the only citizens of the time). The States could not reject the law as the Federal Government had the power under article 1 section 8, specifically their power over the militia which to this day is classified as the entire body of male citizens 17-45 as well as a segment of women serving in the Nat’l Guard (10USC311).
Holger on July 2, 2010 at 1:04 AM
So, all the Federal Government had to do if they wanted to prevent the slave States from preventing white abolitionists and freed blacks from owning firearms is expand the Militia Act of 1792 to incorporate all able bodied males. The Law should stand under Article 1 Section 8. That is unless Democrat Slave Owners didn’t defeat it in Congress.
The 2nd was the only right required by law to be exercised and the only Federal Right that could be extended to the state level prior to the 14th Amendment.
Holger on July 2, 2010 at 1:55 AM
There is a really well defined means of dealing with gun control and elimination of guns. Amend the Constitution. Do not change it by judicial activism. Do it the legal way. That we have four judges who fail to recognize this fact with a fifth on the way to replace one of those four is a travesty.
Impeachment sounds too good for them.
{^_^}
herself on July 2, 2010 at 2:03 AM
They did show pure intellectual dishonesty by pretending they suddenly favor the will of the people.
Liberalism allows you to lie if you perceive it’s for the greater good, so here they are lying. This and many other reasons make Liberalism a cancer that will destroy humanity if we don’t stop it.
scotash on July 2, 2010 at 3:48 AM
“A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”
How can anybody who can read English ever take this to mean that any gun control laws are illegal and unconstitutional? States can not make laws that go against the constitution, US constitution supersedes state constitutions. 10th amendment says all powers not delegated to the federal government (us con.) are left to the states or the people. So states can not ban guns, Cities can not ban guns – hell I would go as far as say they can not require licenses.
Do I have to have a license to speak freely and openly on a public street? then why should I have one for a gun? I dont need one for a knife but that is an “arm”.
Just because something is a good idea, seems right and feels good it does not give you/the government the power to do it. Requiring a permit to carry a gun is a good idea, BUT IT IS NOT LEGAL AND YOU CAN NOT DO IT. Well, you can not do it and call yourselves a real American who respects the constitution. If we can require permits and $50 every 3 years for a C&C license, then I say you have to pay $50 to vote…. o wait that is against the constitution also? My point exactly.
Donut on July 2, 2010 at 7:23 AM
If “the people” want to ban handguns, they say, “the people” should be allowed to implement that desire through their elected representatives”.
How about the desire to retire a specific Supreme Court Justice ?
Sasnak on July 2, 2010 at 8:29 AM
Agreed.
Do you need to register in order to exercise your right to vote? Do you need to be of a certain age and a (in most states) non-felon? Yes? So your whole little rant is sort of stupid then, right? Ok then.
crr6 on July 2, 2010 at 9:55 AM
Thank you SCOTUS. Your have provided U.S. a means to reinforce our 1st Amendment rights to protect U.S. from the P.C. crowd.
Please do not let U.S. down.
MSGTAS on July 2, 2010 at 9:57 AM
So you agree with substantive due process then?
crr6 on July 2, 2010 at 10:00 AM
Sasnak @ 8:29
Agreed.
Amendment: Term limits on Congress and the SCOTUS.
maverick muse on July 2, 2010 at 10:24 AM
How did four Supreme Court justices wind up arguing against the Constitution?
How now brown cow.
Four SCOTUS Justices wind up arguing against the Constitution–WIND UP? These four have been arguing ALL ALONG against the Constitution as it was written as well as how it currently stands.
Hope that American independent and Republican progressives finally coming to notice how RADICALLY LEFT these four justices are may be an epiphany amounting to too little, too late UNLESS our current Republican senators unite NOW to block Kagan’s up/down vote UNTIL AFTER THE NEWLY ELECTED REPUBLICAN MAJORITY TAKES OFFICE.
Regardless, whenever Kagan’s vote comes up, any Republican who votes for her is an Obama endorser.
Damn Orrin Hatch. What threats has Obama made to Utah for Hatch’s weeny to shrink on command? Utah has a lot of nerve not standing up for Arizona considering that the same pioneers who helped to build Utah were SENT by Utah authorities to build Arizona AS WELL AS Mexican communities where the Mexican drug cartels persistently kidnap and murder Mormons in Chihuahua with dual citizenship for standing their ground WITHOUT ANY FIREARMS. Token losses?! As with Hatch, so with Romney on their thread to “save the Constitution” by burying it alive. Whatever endorsement and accommodation is needed, two-faced flag waving neoconservatives will cede to maintain their bitter hold on political clout for personal profit with the anti-constitutionalists in power.
Closing national and state parks in Arizona is what our government is doing in order to accommodate the drug cartel and human trade organized criminals illegal and violent aggression. The feds and the Mexican government are working hand in hand to procreate organized crime in America, taking Arizona hostage. Sen. Hatch wouldn’t stand for his own property to be absconded by the feds. You might think that closing Lake Havasu would send Hatch shrieking. Then again, he simply developed it; so now that the property is sold to private interests, Hatch has already gone shrieking in laughter all the way to the bank, scoffing at the ignorant private property “owners” with no legal representation recognized by this illegitimate administration.
maverick muse on July 2, 2010 at 10:25 AM
This is a start. Unfortunately, a tiny voice.
DrMagnolias on July 2, 2010 at 10:47 AM
Not exactly. Citizens at that time included all free white males and all free white females of all ages. The citizens that comprised the fighting force at that time were the free able bodied white males between the ages of 18 and 45.
We were not in disagreement when this was pointed out to you the other night. The argument you were attempting to make that the right to bear arms was an individual right is correct. I was merely pointing out a few flaws in your original tact.
rukiddingme on July 2, 2010 at 11:02 AM
Respectfully disagree. Your premise here is the Federal Government had BOR limitations, but the State had no such limitations, when interacting with the individual.
The first intent of the BOR was to restrict the Federal Government when interacting with the individual. The second intent was to restrict the Federal Government when interacting with the State.
Upon entering the Union, the State bound itself to the same BOR restrictions, when interacting with the individual, that were placed upon the Federal Government.
The State chose to ignore said BOR when interacting with certain individuals and did as it pleased.
Hence the Civil War and the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments.
rukiddingme on July 2, 2010 at 11:23 AM
Wrong wrong wrong. Banks are not off-limits by statute in any state that I’m aware of. A CHL holder in Texas can walk right into the state capital building with their gun, as well as their local bank providing they are not specifically denied entry by a specific sign thats required on private business property.
tx2654 on July 2, 2010 at 11:34 AM
Does it cost money to register to vote? Can it cost so much money as to price the poor out of their right to vote? Then neither can you do that with the 2nd Amendment.
Holger on July 2, 2010 at 11:37 AM
Not so. It may be implicit in the Ninth Amendment (I believe it is), but “self-defense” appears nowhere in the Constitution. The question about the Second Amendment, whether there’s a right to keep and bear arms unconditioned by any utilitarian justification, remains unsettled.
Heller effectively writes the Second Amendment out of the Constitution by replacing it with a penumbral right of self-defense that allows some people to possess some guns (with police permission).
PersonFromPorlock on July 2, 2010 at 12:10 PM
I had these same concerns with the Heller decision.
Amendment X on July 2, 2010 at 12:20 PM
Oh so now you’re arguing that all guns must be free?
Are you aware of how stupid you sound?
crr6 on July 2, 2010 at 2:51 PM
Do you support substantive due process? Do you believe substantive due process is consistent with an originalist understanding of the Constitution?
If not, then how could you possibly support McDonald?
crr6 on July 2, 2010 at 2:54 PM
And yet you support ‘free’ healthcare.
But as usual, you misrepresent what I said like a typical lefty. I said, can the Government impose a fee to exercise your right? And can that fee be used to price a segment of society out of exercise of that right? Can it be so exorbitant so as to discourage you from exercising your right?
Is a Poll Tax constitutional?
Holger on July 2, 2010 at 3:06 PM
In many states you do not even have to show ID to vote. Also the 24th amendment bans Poll taxes and says it violates the 14th amendment under the equal protection clause. So how is a “gun” tax any different? Or “sin” taxes they put on ammunition? Yes, it is free to register a gun, but to process the gun you have to pay a license fee in some states, or pay for extra classes or pay more for your drivers licenses (which has your CCP printed on it).
More list of things that are in the constitution that you do not have to pay a fee for to the government.
1. Privacy –
2. Free speech
3. Freedom of religion – do not have to pay my state or Washington to go to church or pray. Lol Praying licenses …
4.unreasonable searches and seizures – they can not search me without probable cause just because i did no pay for a “4th amendment license” its Free and its mine.
5.8th amendment – i do not have to pay money to the government so they don’t burn me alive…. they are not allowed to do so in the constitution.
Anyways i guess i could go on and on but no need. Owning and carrying a gun should not cost anything more than the cost of the gun and ammo. Higher taxes on guns and or Ammo other than sales tax should be illegal, cause that is a way of regulating guns. Which as we see, congress is not allowed to do for that would be infringing on poor peoples right to carry arms.
Even thought i would love to see it so only those who own property could vote on property tax…. It is kinda BS those those who will never pay a tax and vote it on somebody else. Fun fact, in my state, Louisiana, a property tax has never been voted down ever!! and it increases every year…. seems odd… seem like… o wait Ive heard it before…. #1 of the 10 pillars of communism – Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
Donut on July 2, 2010 at 3:50 PM
lol process and possess are mixed up there
Donut on July 2, 2010 at 3:52 PM
These are the same people who decided that “only Treaty Tribes have Rights guaranteed by the Constitution, and that all others have mere privileges which can be revoked at any given time”. Why are you surprised?
Friendly21 on July 3, 2010 at 6:46 AM
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