Daily Kos to sue Research 2000 over polling fraud

posted at 2:42 pm on June 29, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Many people have commented on the lack of accuracy coming from the Research 2000 polls commissioned by the Daily Kos, an effort to elevate the Kos community site from a blog to a news site.  Most of the blame for the outliers was placed on the site’s activist owner, but in an announcement today, Markos Moulitsas said that the polling firm had “defrauded” him, and that a lawsuit will follow in a couple of days:

I have just published a report by three statistics wizards showing, quite convincingly, that the weekly Research 2000 State of the Nation poll we ran the past year and a half was likely bunk. …

We contracted with Research 2000 to conduct polling and to provide us with the results of their surveys. Based on the report of the statisticians, it’s clear that we did not get what we paid for. We were defrauded by Research 2000, and while we don’t know if some or all of the data was fabricated or manipulated beyond recognition, we know we can’t trust it. Meanwhile, Research 2000 has refused to offer any explanation. Early in this process, I asked for and they offered to provide us with their raw data for independent analysis — which could potentially exculpate them. That was two weeks ago, and despite repeated promises to provide us that data, Research 2000 ultimately refused to do so. At one point, they claimed they couldn’t deliver them because their computers were down and they had to work out of a Kinkos office. Research 2000 was delivered a copy of the report early Monday morning, and though they quickly responded and promised a full response, once again the authors of the report heard nothing more. …

I want to feel stupid for being defrauded, but fact is Research 2000 had a good reputation in political circles. Among its clients the last two years have been KCCI-TV in Iowa, WCAX-TV in Vermont, WISC-TV in Wisconsin, WKYT-TV in Kentucky, Lee Enterprises, the Concord Monitor, The Florida Times-Union, WSBT-TV/WISH-TV/WANE-TV in Indiana, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the Bergen Record, and the Reno Gazette-Journal. In fact, just last week, in an email debate about robo-pollsters, I had a senior editor at a top DC-based political publication tell me that he’d “obviously” trust Research 2000 more than any automated pollsters, such as SurveyUSA. I didn’t trust Research 2000 more than I trusted SUSA (given their solid track record), but I did trust them. I got burned, and got burned bad.

Give Markos Moulitsas some credit for full disclosure, at least.  It would have been very easy for dKos to quietly drop Research 2000 as their pollster and put their resources into a more worthy vendor without ever explaining why.  That would have certainly cost them less than hiring attorneys to sue the pollster.  Given the fact that the firm claims to be operating “out of a Kinko’s office,” it seems less than certain that Markos will ever see much of his money returned to him, assuming he can prove fraud, which is not an easy task.

I’m also not inclined to crow over the failure of dKos polling.  That ship had sailed long ago anyway, and Markos knew it, which is why he launched an independent study of the data.  Political campaigns commission their own polls and so do traditional media outlets.  If Markos had the resources to do the same, why not?  It allowed him to play with the bigger outlets, although in the end the task proved beyond his ability to manage it.  Still, one never knows until one tries.

He also makes another good point:

Sure, our friends on the Right will get to take some cheap shots, and they should take advantage of the opportunity. But ultimately, this episode validates the reason why we released the internal numbers from Research 2000 — and why every media outlet should do the same from their pollster; without full transparency of results, this fraud would not have been uncovered. As difficult as it has been to learn that we were victims of that fraud, our commitment to accuracy and the truth is far more important than shielding ourselves from cheap shots from the Right.

Again, I’m disinclined to take cheap shots, mainly because Research 200o did have an existing clientele that lent respectability to their product.  It’s also important to note that this is Markos’ take, and that the firm itself will probably have a very different position on the end of their relationship.  But Markos is right when he warns that pollsters should provide full transparency for their surveys so that people can assess performance properly, such as sample size, question formulation, demographics, and so on.  Without that information, polls can easily manipulate both respondents and readers alike.

The only criticism that comes to mind is the lawsuit itself.  Why bother?  Markos would be better advised to cut his losses.

Update: Research 2000 denies all of the allegations:

R2K president Del Ali tells TPMmuckraker in an email, “I have much to say, however, I am following my attorney Richard Beckler’ ESQ’s counsel and referring all questions to him. I will tell you unequivocally that we conducted EVERY poll properly for the Daily Kos.”

Update (AP): I’ve linked Kos’s R2000 polls on HA before so I owe our readers a mea culpa for having passed along (possibly) bad info. Mea culpa!

That book of his is going to be rather highly nuanced indeed, huh?


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Laughable…

PatriotRider on June 29, 2010 at 2:43 PM

I have just published a report by three statistics wizards showing, quite convincingly, that the weekly Research 2000 State of the Nation poll we ran the past year and a half was likely bunk. …

We told you that years ago.

What do we win?

portlandon on June 29, 2010 at 2:45 PM

But then, EVERYTHING printed by Kossacks is bunk, so…

Ragspierre on June 29, 2010 at 2:47 PM

broken clock

The Race Card on June 29, 2010 at 2:47 PM

Update (AP): I’ve linked Kos’s R2000 polls on HA before so I owe our readers a mea culpa for having passed along (possibly) bad info. Mea culpa!

Allah it isn’t like we told you the info wan’t false. But hey… this is just entertainment. Right?!

upinak on June 29, 2010 at 2:48 PM

Give Markos Moulitsas some credit for full disclosure, at least.

Yeah, he and Weigel- both just victims I tell ya- VICTIMS!

Monica on June 29, 2010 at 2:48 PM

So if Kos really hates manipulated data so much I guess he doesn’t put much stock in Global Warming?

Mr. Bingley on June 29, 2010 at 2:48 PM

Daily Kos to sue Research 2000 over polling fraud

Why? Research 2000 told Kos and his cultist minions exactly what they wanted to hear. Too bad the reality based community can’t stand reality.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Lance Murdock on June 29, 2010 at 2:48 PM

Research 2000 needs to be litigated for the simple fact of having 2000 in its name.

eforhan on June 29, 2010 at 2:50 PM

Two questions (neither of which I intend to be a swipe at Kos):

(1) Assuming R2000 did skew its data, did it do so intentionally to suit DKos’ liberal leanings? (i.e. did they pump the results to make the liberal look more likely to win)

-and-

(2) What does this mean about other polling shops used by the MSM? Are their pollsters fudging data to push a MSM-driven ideological message? We all know that MSM types love to crow about every new poll number, no matter how funky the sampling, to push a message or engage in some “epistemic closure.”

Outlander on June 29, 2010 at 2:50 PM

What do we win?

portlandon on June 29, 2010 at 2:45 PM

another polling pop.

upinak on June 29, 2010 at 2:51 PM

It is not a cheap shot when it is a proven sham…Bwahahahaha

d1carter on June 29, 2010 at 2:51 PM

Calling Ben Smith…Ben Smith? Are you going to retract this?

TPM, I’m looking in your direction as well.

And you, Mr. Klein.

Slublog on June 29, 2010 at 2:51 PM

I think if you were to open the most recent edition of Webster’s Dictionary and look up the expression “raving lunatic”, you would most likely find a picture of Markos Moulitsas next to the definition.

pilamaye on June 29, 2010 at 2:52 PM

Update (AP): I’ve linked Kos’s R2000 polls on HA before so I owe our readers a mea culpa for having passed along (possibly) bad info. Mea culpa!
============================================
I’m in StunnedsVille,how…..how….cound you!!!!!!!
(kidding).

canopfor on June 29, 2010 at 2:52 PM

Yes, I will remain above all and not get in the muck to ridicule Markos.

Because, y’know, he would never do such a thing.

No, not him. He and Olbermann using this if it was on the right? Never.

Be beneath them.

I’ll stop at two sarcasms.

SteveMG on June 29, 2010 at 2:52 PM

On other criticism that comes to mind is that Kos is a shitty excuse for a human being.

RINO in Name Only on June 29, 2010 at 2:53 PM

Now, what about polling from CBS/NYT, WAPO/ABC?

NExt.

artist on June 29, 2010 at 2:54 PM

Slublog on June 29, 2010 at 2:51 PM

Keep those. Why? Because it will be like Kos, erasing Betray-Us and pretending it never happened.

upinak on June 29, 2010 at 2:54 PM

“raving lunatic”,

pilamaye on June 29, 2010 at 2:52 PM

pilamaye: “Unhinged Loony”!!:)

canopfor on June 29, 2010 at 2:54 PM

That Journolist was a feverish swamp…

d1carter on June 29, 2010 at 2:54 PM

I would have just assumed Markos used these polls because they gave fraudulent results.

JavelinaBomb on June 29, 2010 at 2:55 PM

Is this just another ‘no honor amoung thieves’ kind of scenerio?

docdave on June 29, 2010 at 2:55 PM

Gosh Markos is so would up. sounds like he needs his Chokra taken car of.

portlandon on June 29, 2010 at 2:55 PM

would= wound

portlandon on June 29, 2010 at 2:56 PM

Among its clients the last two years have been KCCI-TV in Iowa, WCAX-TV in Vermont, WISC-TV in Wisconsin, WKYT-TV in Kentucky, Lee Enterprises, the Concord Monitor, The Florida Times-Union, WSBT-TV/WISH-TV/WANE-TV in Indiana,

All of which are See BS affiliates..coincidence ? I think not.
( Dan Rather is a See BS alimnus ,remember?)

macncheez on June 29, 2010 at 2:56 PM

“What’s it got in its pocketses….my precious?”

Asher on June 29, 2010 at 2:57 PM

Gosh Markos is so would up. sounds like he needs his Chokra taken car of.

portlandon on June 29, 2010 at 2:55 PM

He’s so creepy he couldn’t get laid at a real nerd prom.

Monica on June 29, 2010 at 2:59 PM

You mean the 57% Obama approval number shown on Kos in January wasn’t real?

Shocked, I tells ya, shocked I be.

angryed on June 29, 2010 at 3:00 PM

Update (AP): I’ve linked Kos’s R2000 polls on HA before so I owe our readers a mea culpa for having passed along (possibly) bad info. Mea culpa!

I think the appropriate punishment for Allah would be the showing of his face at CPAC next year! Plus, Tar and Feathers, Tea Party style! ;)

Lance Murdock on June 29, 2010 at 3:00 PM

Allah it isn’t like we told you the info wan’t false. But hey… this is just entertainment. Right?!

upinak on June 29, 2010 at 2:48 PM

Elevating Ed to God status, are we?

Patrick S on June 29, 2010 at 3:01 PM

What exactly will constitute a “cheap shot” from the right? Saying we knew their polls were inaccurate, but they chose to ignore it because it suited their purpose?

DrMagnolias on June 29, 2010 at 3:01 PM

after what happened with Trig Palin why would you give Kos credit for anything?

rob verdi on June 29, 2010 at 3:01 PM

Why is Ed assuming that the company is guilty? There is nothing that convinces me that they are to blame for anything.

Blake on June 29, 2010 at 3:02 PM

Little Marky KNEW they were bunk. He’s such a putz.

Jarhead68 on June 29, 2010 at 3:02 PM

Elevating Ed to God status, are we?

Patrick S on June 29, 2010 at 3:01 PM

who are you and why are you talking to me?

upinak on June 29, 2010 at 3:02 PM

He’s so creepy he couldn’t get laid at a real nerd prom.

Monica on June 29, 2010 at 2:59 PM

I’m thinking lots of other creepy guys would have tried to nail him at the prom, Monica.

Patrick S on June 29, 2010 at 3:02 PM

Kos is such a retard.

He knows all liberals are liars and cheats. (Current example: Kagan and the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG).) Why would he expect anything different from Research 2000?

Kos is a typical liberal – brain dead going in, screaming victimhood coming out.

jaime on June 29, 2010 at 3:03 PM

Look at the trolls popping out of the woodwork.

Ed, my man, you have done well.

upinak on June 29, 2010 at 3:03 PM

who are you and why are you talking to me?

upinak on June 29, 2010 at 3:02 PM

Why I am me of course, Alaska Lady….and why are you talking to Allah on Ed’s post?

Patrick S on June 29, 2010 at 3:04 PM

by three statistics wizards showing, quite convincingly, that the weekly Research 2000 State of the Nation poll we ran the past year and a half was likely bunk. …
===================================================

Well,theres his problem,hes using WIZARDS,and anybody
knows that if your using WITCHES or WIZARDS in polling,
its goona have a supernatural elements to it!!

Good grief,Malitos is going from Research Polling 2000
to Statistic Wizards!

Ya know,Statistical Troll Polling,won’t be too far behind!
(snark).

canopfor on June 29, 2010 at 3:05 PM

I’m thinking lots of other creepy guys would have tried to nail him at the prom, Monica.

Patrick S on June 29, 2010 at 3:02 PM

I wasn’t even thinking about guys. Duh. Epic facepalm on my part!

Monica on June 29, 2010 at 3:05 PM

Maybe the fact Kos was dead last on Time mag’s list of best blogs has something to do with this announcement. Trying to make himself relevant again?

scalleywag on June 29, 2010 at 3:06 PM

Running a poll shouldn’t be that hard. Pick 1000 phone numbers randomly. Call. Ask question. Publish result.

Hey Markos, I’m available if you need a new pollster, and I’m cheap too.

angryed on June 29, 2010 at 3:07 PM

Research 2000 to Daily Kos: Screw them

phreshone on June 29, 2010 at 3:07 PM

Elevating Ed to God status, are we?

Patrick S on June 29, 2010 at 3:01 PM

Patrick S: Thats Pure Loony Crazy Talk!

Linky please!!

canopfor on June 29, 2010 at 3:09 PM

hmmm. trust but verify. Lesson learned once again.

ted c on June 29, 2010 at 3:09 PM

Why I am me of course, Alaska Lady….and why are you talking to Allah on Ed’s post?

Patrick S on June 29, 2010 at 3:04 PM

Obviously a newbie… here let me repost it.

Update (AP): I’ve linked Kos’s R2000 polls on HA before so I owe our readers a mea culpa for having passed along (possibly) bad info. Mea culpa!

Who did the update… genius?

upinak on June 29, 2010 at 3:09 PM

Of course we will crow about it…just like he crowed about Cheney’s heart attack…
We celebrate the fact that he has been using false data…he celebrates that someone has a heart attack.
Liberals won’t see the difference…

right2bright on June 29, 2010 at 3:09 PM

Time has ‘perfect’ timing.

The Daily Kos: There was a time when Daily Kos used to be the source of cutting-edge and, well, cutting political commentary online. Not so much anymore. Markos Moulitsas and crew were called out on our Overrated list from the 25 Best Blogs of 2009 but nothing, not even the oil spill or the faltering war in Afghanistan, has really catapulted anything on the Daily Kos into the national consciousness. We’re putting them on notice again for another year, in the hopes this once-great blog can find its voice anew.

Schadenfreude on June 29, 2010 at 3:09 PM

hmmm. trust but verify. Lesson learned once again.

ted c on June 29, 2010 at 3:09 PM

ted c: True Dat!!:)

canopfor on June 29, 2010 at 3:09 PM

Any money wasted by Markos”F___ the troops” Moulitsas and the Daily KKK, is good for the country.

paratisi on June 29, 2010 at 3:10 PM

(1) Assuming R2000 did skew its data, did it do so intentionally to suit DKos’ liberal leanings? (i.e. did they pump the results to make the liberal look more likely to win)

Well, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch used them and I could never figure out if the Post thought it’s readers were stupid or that the results of their polls were because they always have been a liberal rag.

Vince on June 29, 2010 at 3:11 PM

Kos got cheated? Perhaps he should use Rasmussen next time?

Mr. Joe on June 29, 2010 at 3:12 PM

Schadenfreude on June 29, 2010 at 3:09 PM

Yep. That pretty much sums up why Kos did this.

Lance Murdock on June 29, 2010 at 3:14 PM

Never let a good target go to waste! “Sure, our friends on the Right will get to take some cheap shots, and they should take advantage of the opportunity.”

Pile on!

cartooner on June 29, 2010 at 3:14 PM

Weasles got weasled….shazam!!!

Hening on June 29, 2010 at 3:14 PM

That book of his is going to be rather highly nuanced indeed, huh?

Yep, he sent it off back in February.

This is positively delectable.

RINO in Name Only on June 29, 2010 at 3:15 PM

Who did the update… genius?

upinak on June 29, 2010 at 3:09 PM

Nice, smooth and clean…you hunters know the importance of a sharp knife.
Patrick S., how’s it feel to be filleted, salted, and laid out to dry? Welcome to “Posting 101″…

right2bright on June 29, 2010 at 3:15 PM

We’re putting them on notice again for another year, in the hopes this once-great blog can find its voice anew.

Schadenfreude on June 29, 2010 at 3:09 PM

That’s the poll I was talking about! He’s just not relevant anymore.

scalleywag on June 29, 2010 at 3:15 PM

They are working out of Kinkos, and he is suing them…suing them for what, their Kinkos copy card?

right2bright on June 29, 2010 at 3:16 PM

Slublog on June 29, 2010 at 2:51 PM

Good on you for supplying the links.

His book and all this…how to get the reputation of those harmed back, ever?

1% respect for the tiny man

99% screw him

Schadenfreude on June 29, 2010 at 3:16 PM

Obviously a newbie… here let me repost it.

Update (AP): I’ve linked Kos’s R2000 polls on HA before so I owe our readers a mea culpa for having passed along (possibly) bad info. Mea culpa!

Who did the update… genius?

upinak on June 29, 2010 at 3:09 PM

Not quite a newbie here, dear….been here since 2007….obviously not real attentive either (didn’t see the AP), so my apologies….and NEVER take me so serious.

Patrick S on June 29, 2010 at 3:16 PM

It’s a real bitch when your hired liars don’t get their work done.

LarryG on June 29, 2010 at 3:18 PM

Why I am me of course, Alaska Lady….and why are you talking to Allah on Ed’s post?

Patrick S on June 29, 2010 at 3:04 PM

LOL GTFO NOOOB!


Ahem.

Sorry, it’s just I’ve always wanted to say that, and I figured this was the best time to get it out of my system.

RINO in Name Only on June 29, 2010 at 3:18 PM

Patrick S, we don’t, be we love ya :)

Moulitsas is pining for attention, not for money or a win.

Being in the news, even for bad, is better than to be ignored…something to this effect from Donald Trump.

Schadenfreude on June 29, 2010 at 3:19 PM

Like I give a tinker’s damn about the Daily Kos, their psycho founder, the people that post there, or their stupid polls. Back to therightscoop.com.

Virus-X on June 29, 2010 at 3:19 PM

You never have to lie when you can pay other people to lie for you.

Emperor Norton on June 29, 2010 at 3:20 PM

I want to feel stupid for being defrauded, but fact is Research 2000 had a…

No,no,no. No buts, go ahead, feel stupid. If you want to, then by golly you deserve to!

cartooner on June 29, 2010 at 3:20 PM

LOL GTFO NOOOB!

RINO in Name Only on June 29, 2010 at 3:18 PM

Come to think of it, this applies to Kos even better.

RINO in Name Only on June 29, 2010 at 3:21 PM

KOS can always repost their screeds about the Palin-Baby dustup, that was good for ratings.

That site is about as cutting edge as a cardboard tube.

Bishop on June 29, 2010 at 3:21 PM

We were defrauded by Research 2000, and while we don’t know if some or all of the data was fabricated or manipulated beyond recognition, we know we can’t trust it. Meanwhile, Research 2000 has refused to offer any explanation
========================================================

Gee Wiz,your kill’n me,poor widdo ole’ Socialist Liberals
got done screwed over done good,and they are hav’n their
ego’s a runned over by da fraud train,

ooooooooooooooooooooooh my heart is bleed’d,bleed’n I tells
ya!!!!!

Ya know,the Left have Besmirched,B*sterdized,Debaucherized
the RIGHT,LIED,MANIPULATED,FABRICATED,STACKED,PLANTED,SEEDED
and every other word from the THESAUROUS book I can think of,

KARMA BABY,PAYBACKS A B*TCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

canopfor on June 29, 2010 at 3:21 PM

and NEVER take me so serious.

Patrick S on June 29, 2010 at 3:16 PM

*SMACK* take that… beware of the ULU!

upinak on June 29, 2010 at 3:21 PM

“…the weekly Research 2000 State of the Nation poll we ran the past year and a half was likely bunk.”

Isn’t this the poll the left pointed to as proof America wanted a public option? And Kos is admitting it was “likely bunk.” That should be the headline.

Heywood U. Reedmore on June 29, 2010 at 3:22 PM

Never, ever, forget this, NEVER!

Schadenfreude on June 29, 2010 at 3:22 PM

*SMACK* take that… beware of the ULU!

upinak on June 29, 2010 at 3:21 PM

Meh…..Been married 27 years, dear….I’m already 95% scar tissue. :)

Patrick S on June 29, 2010 at 3:22 PM

OT: Don’t download the torrent claiming to be the JournaList archive. It’s gay porn.

year_of_the_dingo on June 29, 2010 at 3:23 PM

Meh…..Been married 27 years, dear….I’m already 95% scar tissue. :)

Patrick S on June 29, 2010 at 3:22 PM

get your wife one of those. She will love me and you *VEG*

upinak on June 29, 2010 at 3:24 PM

If only Kos had gotten decent polling, the world would be so much different and better.

Akzed on June 29, 2010 at 3:24 PM

….and NEVER take me so serious.

Patrick S on June 29, 2010 at 3:16 PM

Patrick S: Oh,I didn’t see yout sarc tag,sorry about the Loony crazy talk comment!!!:)

canopfor on June 29, 2010 at 3:26 PM

get your wife one of those. She will love me and you *VEG*

upinak on June 29, 2010 at 3:24 PM

Hell I’ve got her all up to speed on my Remington 1100 20ga. and the Winchester 30-30….why not one more toy?

Patrick S on June 29, 2010 at 3:26 PM

Was meant to be:

Patrick S, we don’t (take you too seriously), but we love ya :)

Schadenfreude on June 29, 2010 at 3:26 PM

Markos wanted to believe, the opening for any con.

motionview on June 29, 2010 at 3:27 PM

Was meant to be: Patrick S, we don’t (take you too seriously), but we love ya :)

Schadenfreude on June 29, 2010 at 3:26 PM

I knew what you meant there, friend….I apparently think like you type. And thx for da love.

Patrick S on June 29, 2010 at 3:29 PM

So,ummmm,I bet, there are a few Democrats that are probably upset with KAOS!!!!

canopfor on June 29, 2010 at 3:29 PM

Am I the only one who feels dirty after he called us his friends?

James on June 29, 2010 at 3:30 PM

Ed just got mentioned by Hannity on radio
for
Captain kickass and Sgt smartass

macncheez on June 29, 2010 at 3:30 PM

an effort to elevate the Kos community site from a blog to a news site.

Free advice to Kos:

Scrap the entire dKos website, change your name, and rethink your childish ideology.

Until that happens, you’re stuck on stupid, bro.

VibrioCocci on June 29, 2010 at 3:31 PM

macncheez on June 29, 2010 at 3:30 PM

uh oh…. Capt KickAss was Allah. OOPS!

upinak on June 29, 2010 at 3:31 PM

Markos continued by saying,”Now if you’ll excuse me, I must get back to bashing Palin, calling Tea Partiers Nazis and praising ObamaCare. I hope this whole erronious polling incident hasn’t damaged my credibility too much.”

DrAllecon on June 29, 2010 at 3:31 PM

Markos wanted to believe, the opening for any con.

motionview on June 29, 2010 at 3:27 PM

Ain’t that the truth…global warming…health care is non-existent…

right2bright on June 29, 2010 at 3:32 PM

Why should I care what Jon Cryer thinks again?

Otis B on June 29, 2010 at 3:33 PM

Markos is just the leg that the sex crazed poodle is humping…

right2bright on June 29, 2010 at 3:34 PM

uh oh…. Capt KickAss was Allah. OOPS!

upinak on June 29, 2010 at 3:31 PM

Boy, Ed’s just getting WAY too much credit today.

Ahem.

::walking away whistling::

Patrick S on June 29, 2010 at 3:38 PM

uh oh…. Capt KickAss was Allah. OOPS!

upinak on June 29, 2010 at 3:31 PM

I know and thats why I went ….HUH ?????? when I heard it
But its nice to know Hannity lurks here too

macncheez on June 29, 2010 at 3:38 PM

broken clock
The Race Card on June 29, 2010 at 2:47 PM

As in Bogus 22 out of 24 times?

DSchoen on June 29, 2010 at 3:47 PM

the task proved beyond his ability to manage it

Much like what happened to dKos’ preferred presidential candidate.

Kafir on June 29, 2010 at 3:48 PM

::walking away whistling::

Patrick S on June 29, 2010 at 3:38 PM

Could Ed be Allah? The conspiracy goes on.

macncheez on June 29, 2010 at 3:38 PM

Ever since the Capt KickAss from Allah, I have to this day used it well… conversations turn out pretty good when I use that. Gotta love the Allah-Phonics!

upinak on June 29, 2010 at 3:49 PM

Wasn’t this the polling group that came up with the results that a good 40% of Republicans / conservatives are Birthers?

Vyce on June 29, 2010 at 3:51 PM

OT: Don’t download the torrent claiming to be the JournaList archive. It’s gay porn.

year_of_the_dingo on June 29, 2010 at 3:23 PM

But I was looking for gay porn.

Oh. Wait. Forget I said that.

lorien1973 on June 29, 2010 at 3:51 PM

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