Coburn grills Kagan: Could Congress require people to eat certain foods under the Commerce Clause?
posted at 8:17 pm on June 29, 2010 by Allahpundit
So the rumors were true — something interesting did get said at today’s interminably boring hearing. Don’t blame me for the bizarre editing decision here to end the clip before she had a chance to answer his question — I’m just giving you what I’ve got — but according to TPM, we’re not missing much. Apparently she simply dodged the question.
Coburn says, what if the bill says “we’ve imposed this requirement to reduce health care costs.” Kagan says, I’ve given you the principles I would apply and I don’t feel I can go farther.
Coburn then says that the lack of limits on Congress’s power–the refusal to enforce the Framers’ original intent, in his view–has led to a federal government bigger than anything the Framers could have anticipated. And that has led to the budget deficit that burdens Americans today.
Kagan replies that one of the Court’s earliest decisions adopted a broad view of the Commerce Clause.
Normally this would be a chance to declare her “out of the mainstream,” but let’s face it: The idea that Congress can do anything its black little heart desires so long as there’s some glancing relationship to commerce is perfectly within the Democratic mainstream — and, in certain cases, the Republican mainstream too. In fact, some legal experts expect the inevitable Supreme Court ruling on O-Care’s individual mandate will break 9-0 or 8-1. I’m skeptical of that, but after the Raich decision, would it surprise you?
In other news about today’s boring Kagan dodges, she acknowledged that judges should look at foreign law but hinted that it should only be done in cases touching on international matters. Oh, and she admitted that Miguel Estrada is perfectly qualified to sit on the appellate bench or the Supreme Court. What a treat to find that out years later. Exit question via Newsweek: Seriously, why do we even hold these hearings?









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The Race Card on June 29, 2010 at 8:21 PM
Before the total capture of the media they had a function.
the_nile on June 29, 2010 at 8:22 PM
Elena Kagan is crr6?
splains alot.
Holger on June 29, 2010 at 8:22 PM
I support a federal mandate to make fat chicks get on a treadmill.
year_of_the_dingo on June 29, 2010 at 8:24 PM
Because the Commerce Clause says so? Is that right? I know it gives them the authority to, but I’m not sure if it requires them to hold these hearings.
Weight of Glory on June 29, 2010 at 8:24 PM
Depth-Charge da Kracken!!
canopfor on June 29, 2010 at 8:26 PM
OHHHHHHHH, but her humor was so disarming…I just want to eat some tea and crumpets. If they will let me.
tomas on June 29, 2010 at 8:26 PM
Anybody hear Hatch on Hewitt? He said that the GOP won’t fillibuster the closet queen because… well… it’s just wrong.
Translation? Do not touch those lifeboats because they were made by union labor. We can drown with clear consciences.
And they wonder why there’s tea parties.
platypus on June 29, 2010 at 8:26 PM
Real simple. If your decision is supported by the facts of the case, the legislation itself and existing case law, you don’t need to cite foreign law. If your decision isn’t supported by the facts of the case, the legislation itself and existing case law then it’s the wrong decision.
trubble on June 29, 2010 at 8:28 PM
EVERY one should call congress every day as many times a day as we can and tell them NO ON her.
ColdWarrior57 on June 29, 2010 at 8:29 PM
Aargh!!!
[bangs head on desk]
I was disappointed when I heard there would be no filibuster, but I held out hope that they were keeping their powder dry for the next SCOTUS vacancy, since this one is basically replacing a liberal with another liberal. Guess I was hoping in vain. When, oh, when, will the GOP get a spine???
Mary in LA on June 29, 2010 at 8:30 PM
Can the Commerce Clause force all of us to wear flannel?
SouthernGent on June 29, 2010 at 8:31 PM
To build roads and canals which used to be privately built!
Not healthcare.
journeyintothewhirlwind on June 29, 2010 at 8:31 PM
HEY! Why don’t you just blow our cover (us legal guys)? Who’s going to pay hundreds of dollars an hour unless it’s a mystery?
platypus on June 29, 2010 at 8:31 PM
Bringing up the topic of food is a clever, backhanded way of reminding people subliminally that’s she’s a total lardass.
Emperor Norton on June 29, 2010 at 8:32 PM
Any Republican who votes for this nightmare should become a target of removal from the Tea Party. If the Tea Party won’t do it, then they should move aside for another force that is willing.
Buddahpundit on June 29, 2010 at 8:32 PM
I hope crr6 likes her brussel sprouts…
Firefly_76 on June 29, 2010 at 8:32 PM
Who’s on first?
iceman1960 on June 29, 2010 at 8:33 PM
My question would be:
When government is too small you have anarchy where the people abuse each other.
When government is too large you have tyranny, where the government abuses the people.
Government must be large enough to prevent anarchy and strictly limited in power to prevent tyranny.
The purpose of Article 1 Section 8 is to prevent tyranny.
One of the goals of the founders was to
The Rock on June 29, 2010 at 8:33 PM
Ditto that!
BrianA on June 29, 2010 at 8:33 PM
It’s official, the lunatics are definitely taking over the asylum.
No wonder TRC is crowing.
OldEnglish on June 29, 2010 at 8:33 PM
Under the insanely expanded power of the Commerce Clause, the Federal Government can raid your bank account, order you to buy a GM car, seize your home and sell your daughters.
It quiet literally flies in the face of the actual text of the Clause. It has no limits.
Holger on June 29, 2010 at 8:33 PM
You’re a lawyer, oh estimable Ornithorhynchus anatinus? :-)
Mary in LA on June 29, 2010 at 8:33 PM
When you see this.
platypus on June 29, 2010 at 8:33 PM
Did anyone ever tell Kagan what to eat?
iceman1960 on June 29, 2010 at 8:34 PM
I warned that this is where the HCR ‘mandate was heading 6mo’s ago, citing Kathleen Sebeliuos’ comments on the Daily Show when discussing the then mandate that all mebers of the Armed Forces would have to give up tabbacco. When Jon asked that meant that if a soldier/sailor/airmman could be forced to give up ice cream, her response was in the affirmative. Her exuse was: “if we are responsible for your health care costs, then we have the right to minimize those costs“. John, of course, did not follow up with the obvious question of: “isn’t that the same responsibility you are proposing to assume with passage of ObamaCare?”
If you are not yet aware that the statists’ are angling to CONTROL OF EVERY F**KING ASPECT OF OUR LIVES, then you simply haven’t been paying attention.
We stand at the very edge of the the abyss of oppressive tyranny, yet to my eye the vast bulk of our population is sleepwalking in an illusion that that nothing untoward is afoot. Has our Science Czar Holdren already spiked our water supplies with a willful ignorance serum?
Archimedes on June 29, 2010 at 8:34 PM
Did anyone ever tell Kagan what to eat?
iceman1960 on June 29, 2010 at 8:34 PM
Some needs to tell her what NOT to eat.
txag92 on June 29, 2010 at 8:36 PM
And how would a professional chef grill Kagan? Over charcoal briquets at 450 degrees, sauteed with plenty of A-1 sauce? Or does all the fat have to be trimmed away first?
Emperor Norton on June 29, 2010 at 8:36 PM
Holy cow. She thinks the Constitution allows the government to force us to do anything.
GTR640 on June 29, 2010 at 8:37 PM
Any Republicans who vote to confirm Kagan, thinking they can believe she will follow the Constitution, should be required to eat copious amounts of crow at some time in the near future..
Tav on June 29, 2010 at 8:37 PM
Yes. Everything.
OldEnglish on June 29, 2010 at 8:38 PM
Well, I think I am but the
cartelState Bar says that lawyers are the same as attorneys.I am not an attorney but I am definitely one of the guys (& gals) who does the legal work for attorneys.
platypus on June 29, 2010 at 8:38 PM
Judiciary hearing on Elena Kagan: Dr. Coburn’s Remarks (Day 2)
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http://www.youtube.com/user/SenatorCoburn
canopfor on June 29, 2010 at 8:38 PM
Abandon the ‘Ginsburg Rule’ for Supreme Court Candidates
Rae on June 29, 2010 at 8:39 PM
We hold these hearings so the opposition party can fight like hell to keep a worst-case example of their ideological opposite off the lifetime bench, for God’s sake. But Republicans won’t do it. They are cowards who want to be liked more than they want to save this EXCEPTIONAL country.
And the Kagan hearing is particularly galling because all they have to say — LOUDLY and over and over — is that she’s UNQUALIFIED. My God. Is this really complicated for some folks? She’s an absolutely laughable nomination, only it’s not a joke. Obama’s serious. He wants his best gal pal to be a freaking Supreme Court justice cuz they had awesome talks at TGI Friday’s — and the hapless GOP is just going to go right on along with it, and then act oh so disappointed when the soulless, lying, corrupt, hypocritical dems filibuster every single nomination the Republican president makes after 2012. It’s maddening. Fight, you cowardly bastards!
Rational Thought on June 29, 2010 at 8:39 PM
platypus on June 29, 2010 at 8:38 PM
Ah, I see — you do the work, they get the credit! :-)
Mary in LA on June 29, 2010 at 8:39 PM
So, when will the fat lady crack (err sing)?
Captain America on June 29, 2010 at 8:39 PM
Heh
d1carter on June 29, 2010 at 8:40 PM
FIFY.
Holger on June 29, 2010 at 8:40 PM
Plus, she just looks crazy. And, I hate to mention it, but I do not think she has ever tried a real case, as well as never having been a judge.
Her top qualification is she appears to be a fascist.
GTR640 on June 29, 2010 at 8:40 PM
One might as well expect rivers to run backwards.
Hinmahtooyahlatkek on June 29, 2010 at 8:42 PM
Coburn should have asked her if Congress could pass a law requiring everyone to join a health club and go to it regularly to keep from being overweight.
Wethal on June 29, 2010 at 8:42 PM
True dat. But as I’m fond of telling people: I’m not an attorney so I cannot legally be held responsible for the legal advice I am about to give you. But if you ask an attorney for the legal advice you need, he’s going to call me for the answer and then charge you a lot.
platypus on June 29, 2010 at 8:44 PM
Kagan to the highest court, parley-voo?
Kagan to the highest court, parley-voo?
She can garner a buck, a drink, a deal
But it isn’t because of sex appeal
On the Gay hating Saudi’s millions she can dine
But when it comes to the American military all she can do is whine
She has a form like the back of a hack
When she cries about the treatment of Gays the crocodile tears run down her back
If she would just change her underwear
The RINO frogs in the senate will probably give her the Croix-de-Guerre
The Marxists and Fascists will get the pie and cake
But all the Constitutionalists will get is a bellyache
Hinky, dinky, parley-voo
InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on June 29, 2010 at 8:45 PM
I’m listening to the link I put above,from SenatorCoburn’s
site,its (30 minutes),its juicy!!
http://www.youtube.com/user/SenatorCoburn
canopfor on June 29, 2010 at 8:46 PM
She has little courtroom experience, which was why there was a question about making her Solicitor General. The SG argues for the US in SCOTUS.
You don’t send in a rookie to SCOTUS. They might say something like the government could ban books under McCain -Feingold, but it wouldn’t really enforce the law, so it wouldn’t really be censorship.
Oh, wait, someone did say that…and helped sink the US’ case in Citizens United.
Wethal on June 29, 2010 at 8:46 PM
SNL needs to get material from somewhere. Lord knows their writers can`t make it happen anymore.
And I wonder if Michelle Obama makes her hubby pic unattractive women for the SCOTUS or is it simply `cause they`re liberals, they look that way?
ThePrez on June 29, 2010 at 8:48 PM
I hope the next time the GOP gets control of both branches they pass a law that says everyone must buy Glenn Beck’s next book.
Mark1971 on June 29, 2010 at 8:49 PM
Coburn should have asked her if Congress could pass a law requiring everyone to join a health club and go to it regularly to keep from being overweight.
Wethal on June 29, 2010 at 8:42 PM
Wethal:On the link I provided,Cobourg is giving her the
gears,so to speak on Foreign Law,and original intent
vrs,precedent!!:)
canopfor on June 29, 2010 at 8:51 PM
The only foreign legal decisions that a US court should look at are:
1) Anglo-Saxon and British precedent prior to 4 Jul 1776
2) Specific rulings on property rights by the courts of The Netherlands, Great Britain, Spain, France, Canada, Mexico, Russia, Vermont, Texas, California, and Hawai’i about territory under those nations’ jurisdiction prior to their becoming part of the United States of America.
No other ruling of any court can inform our Constitution and laws. A lawyer might find value in exploring how other courts have ruled, so as to attempt to formulate similar arguments under our Constitution and common law heritage, but a judge or jury should grant no weight to the fact that some other court, working from a different set of fundamentals, should reach that conclusion.
The Monster on June 29, 2010 at 8:54 PM
Crazy Jewish lady: Well, yes, Senator.
GTR640 on June 29, 2010 at 8:56 PM
While we all laugh at the question “Can the government tell people what to eat?” because it’s so absurd, the true absurdity is that to people like Obama and Kagan, OF COURSE the government should be able to tell people what to eat — and where to live, how much to earn, what to read to their children, what to read themselves, what to listen to on the radio, which schools to attend, what cars to buy, who to marry, etc., etc., etc. That is the ideological divide — free versus slave — and there is no crossing it. If the GOP would point this out a bit more aggressively, folks would pay attention. Americans don’t like to be told what to do, but they’ve elected themselves a president who sees that as his main role. Pay attention!
Rational Thought on June 29, 2010 at 8:57 PM
LASue on June 29, 2010 at 8:58 PM
Could Congress require citizens to release their second chakra?
parteagirl on June 29, 2010 at 9:00 PM
Senator Coburn: Could Congress require people to eat certain foods under the Commerce Clause?
Elena Kagan: (pause) Hey, Abbott!
Emperor Norton on June 29, 2010 at 9:01 PM
I think Congress should at the very least give us a reach around.
Holger on June 29, 2010 at 9:01 PM
Mark Levin played this clip over and over on his show and went crazy. Kagan has every intention of making sure the individual mandate is deemed “constitutional.” She’s Zippy’s little groupie.
Never thought I would see the day when someone who looks like a fly eating bass would control so much of my life.
Cody1991 on June 29, 2010 at 9:02 PM
Thanks for the link…
d1carter on June 29, 2010 at 9:02 PM
Finally,
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Coburn grills Kagan: Could Congress require people to eat certain foods under the Commerce Clause?
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Comes in at exactly,———-at the 20:12 mark!
http://www.youtube.com/user/SenatorCoburn
canopfor on June 29, 2010 at 9:04 PM
Dude, some warning, I think I broke my sternum.
Holger on June 29, 2010 at 9:04 PM
When preparing memos for the Clinton administration, Kagan overrode the recommendations of medical experts re partial birth abortions and their non-necessity for the health of the mother. Science and law are inconvenient for the Leftoids when they have an agenda to push.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MjVjNGNkMmJlZmNiYzI2YjM2MzA5ZWE3YjU2MDZlNTA=
This SC nominee is unethical.
onlineanalyst on June 29, 2010 at 9:04 PM
THANK YOU! I`ve been searching for a comparison!
ThePrez on June 29, 2010 at 9:05 PM
canopfor on June 29, 2010 at 8:46 PM
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Thanks for the link…
d1carter on June 29, 2010 at 9:02 PM
d1carter:)
canopfor on June 29, 2010 at 9:06 PM
Allah forgot to post the most important question Kagan was asked today.
Lance Murdock on June 29, 2010 at 9:09 PM
Love your posts; keep them coming!
Khun Joe on June 29, 2010 at 9:12 PM
I would love a Nominee to admit that there are no longer any Constitutional limits to the Federal Government. Precedent has been nothing but expanding Federal Powers.
Holger on June 29, 2010 at 9:15 PM
So…Kagan is supposedly qualified yet Judge Bork wasn’t??!!??
120pages on June 29, 2010 at 9:15 PM
Unfortunately, the GOP will do nothing that resembles leadership. Nothing.
True_King on June 29, 2010 at 9:22 PM
While congress has a lot of authority under the commerce clause it ends when it butts up against an enumerated right in BoR. That is the proper use of SDP described in the 5th and later the 14th amendment. Those amendments would be paired with the 4th to defeat any personal mandate by a state entity. At least in world not ruled by progressive socialists.
Fighton03 on June 29, 2010 at 9:26 PM
Commerce Clause supporting a nutrition write-up, my ass. If Madison were alive now smoke would come out of his ears.
Why can’t they just leave well enough alone?
Ryan Anthony on June 29, 2010 at 9:26 PM
She is a big mistake, and it’s too bad we will have to bury our constitution under these liberals. They have all but killed it and are preperred to accept a government where the people no longer have freedom.
afotia on June 29, 2010 at 9:27 PM
Could Congress require people to wear those little Mao uniforms under the Commerce Clause?
Could Congress require people work in the rice fields under the Commerce Clause?
Could Congress require people to relocate to re-education/internment camps under the Commerce Clause?
Could Congress require people dig their own graves before being lined up and shot under the Commerce Clause?
DeathB4Tyranny on June 29, 2010 at 9:27 PM
Kagan: Yes, chattel can be told what to eat.
lorien1973 on June 29, 2010 at 9:34 PM
“You are too dumb to understand.” /LA Lawyer calling into Wilkow today.
cobrakai99 on June 29, 2010 at 9:35 PM
answer: No, Senator Coburn, there will be no “requirement” to eat—we favor choices. Citizens will have a choice between slop, and rotten slop.
ted c on June 29, 2010 at 9:36 PM
By declining to state, she already said there is no limit.
I think it’s at least important that these sorts of things are finally being asked. Might wake some people up and let them realize elected officials think they are chattel, not people.
lorien1973 on June 29, 2010 at 9:38 PM
Considering the smackdown that Scalia gave Stevens in McDonald the Wise Latina and Kagan will probably never ever write an opinion.
I would love to learn exactly what Scalia and Thomas think about Kagan.
Pelayo on June 29, 2010 at 9:43 PM
Big Brother, err Big Sister, knows best.
Oh all you stupid plebeians, why don’t you listen to those smarter and wiser than you.
The failure to answer this questions proves that Ms. Kagan does not belong on the US Supreme Court.
Perhaps the Venezuelan Court has an opening?
Oxybeles on June 29, 2010 at 9:43 PM
So Democrat senators can smear Republican nominees, naturally.
ddrintn on June 29, 2010 at 9:43 PM
Everybody has to follow Kagan’s dietary instruction on how to swallow baby whales- whole.
MaiDee on June 29, 2010 at 9:46 PM
Miss Kagan if congress passed a law that said the sun must shine every other day and it could never rain on the 4th of July.would that be constitutional under the commerce clause? She answers well un un well un un.What a dangerous dumb ass.
thmcbb on June 29, 2010 at 9:46 PM
FACE TIME!!!!!
PaCadle on June 29, 2010 at 9:47 PM
canopfor,
Thanks for the link! I just finished watching the whole thing.
Her answer began to impress me when she talked about how Art. 1 sec. 8 enumerates the powers of congress and that congress cannot go beyond that limited authority.
But, in the last minute, she made the argument that the Court has deferred to congress when it comes to the extend of the commerce clause. Coburn pointed out that that is exactly the problem — that the Court has shirked it’s responsibility to rein in congressional over-reach.
I wanted to hear more from Kagan on this but Coburn’s time ran out. He said he’d follow up on it in his next go-round.
Tuning Spork on June 29, 2010 at 9:47 PM
I’m not sure any communist regimes around the world reserves the right to tell its citizens what they must eat. Something to consider.
lorien1973 on June 29, 2010 at 9:48 PM
Just think about it though: Sotomayor and Kagan. Good Lord, what sterling picks from Teh One. A joke.
ddrintn on June 29, 2010 at 9:48 PM
They’re so poorly-run that menus aren’t the concern. Just getting food period is the concern.
ddrintn on June 29, 2010 at 9:49 PM
Lorien, follow the link from Canopfor:
There’s a whole lot more to it than the short clip on this post. Kagan addresses it at some length and there’s some red meat there.
Tuning Spork on June 29, 2010 at 9:53 PM
I will tell you this.The only hope this country has is a constitutional convention called by the states run by the states and without any involvement of the congress,president or the federal courts. Not necessary to re wright the Constitution but to put in plain English that these yahoo’s can understand.Maybe put in terms limits for congress and judges just like we have for the Pres.
thmcbb on June 29, 2010 at 9:58 PM
Folks. Justices Kennedy and Scalia are 74. Before the end of Obama’s second term they would be 80. Our liberty currently hangs at best 5-4. Obama CANNOT have a second term.
Firefly_76 on June 29, 2010 at 9:58 PM
Kagen “sounds like a dumb law” make it twinkies and I’m all in!
jpmn on June 29, 2010 at 10:04 PM
Goodbye red meat…hello organic rice cakes!!
tommer74 on June 29, 2010 at 10:08 PM
Funny how the Lamestream Media hacks never ask such things when it’s a Republican’s nominee.
Spiny Norman on June 29, 2010 at 10:08 PM
A more pertinent question seems to be whether the Americans’ “federal” government will be able to tell them what to eat when it’s broke.
Kralizec on June 29, 2010 at 10:12 PM
canopfor on June 29, 2010 at 9:04 PM
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There’s a whole lot more to it than the short clip on this post. Kagan addresses it at some length and there’s some red meat there.
Tuning Spork on June 29, 2010 at 9:53 PM
Tuning Spork: No kidding,Coburn got testy a bit,and right
fully so,shes a Social Justice Activist,that
will carry out Obama’s agenda for decades!!
Btw,I fired that link off to AllahPundit as
soon as I found it!!:)
canopfor on June 29, 2010 at 10:14 PM
Kagan is straight from Mordor.
Inanemergencydial on June 29, 2010 at 10:24 PM
Anybody hear Hatch on Hewitt? He said that the GOP won’t fillibuster the closet queen because… well… it’s just wrong.
Translation? Do not touch those lifeboats because they were made by union labor. We can drown with clear consciences.
And they wonder why there’s tea parties.
platypus on June 29, 2010 at 8:26 PM
WHEN IN DOUBT…….Believe the GOP will collapse and fold like a house of cards. Obama could have nominated Satan himself and he’d get 70 votes for confirmation (minimum).
PappyD61 on June 29, 2010 at 10:28 PM
Please stop bashing Lou Costello… He was NEVER that fat…
Khun Joe on June 29, 2010 at 10:34 PM
Thanks for the link. Yes, red meat.
She concedes that there is not always a need to look to original intent and that on the interstate commerce clause she will defer to congress.
In other words, the constitution is an elastic band that stretches as far as her political ideology will allow, and snaps back — when it suits her.
Firefly_76 on June 29, 2010 at 10:34 PM
You’re right! They don’t tell them what to eat because there isn’t anything to eat. In North Korea you could join the military and be fed reasonably well. The rest of the population–
txhsmom on June 29, 2010 at 10:37 PM
oops–should end with…
1 bowl of rice a day.
txhsmom on June 29, 2010 at 10:37 PM
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