Pennsylvania: Palin 24, Gingrich 23, Huckabee 20

posted at 6:50 pm on June 28, 2010 by Allahpundit

That’s actually not the most intriguing data point from this poll, but I know the Palinistas will whine forever if I don’t highlight the fact that she’s leading somewhere, so there you go. Don’t get me wrong: It is interesting that she’d do well in a northeastern state, which traditionally aren’t thought of as “Palin country.” But of course these are primary voters we’re talking about, and Pennsylvania Republicans are sufficiently red-meat that Specter abandoned ship before having to face them in a primary. No shocker, really, that a “true conservative” would fare well with them.

So what’s the intriguing data, if not this? Well, this is actually a poll of two states by PPP — Pennsylvania and Texas — and not only is Gingrich suddenly doing surprisingly well, but Romney has slipped all the way back into fourth place. I’m not sure why that would be true now rather than three months ago after ObamaCare passed, when conservative antipathy to the man responsible for RomneyCare was at a fever pitch. Maybe it’s a simple case of Gingrich keeping a high profile lately and Romney keeping a low one? Regardless, Newt pulls 25 percent in Texas (good for the lead, believe it or not) and 23 percent in Pennsylvania. Reversal of fortune:

-Newt Gingrich increasingly looks like a very legitimate candidate should he decide to run for President in 2012. He’s showing strong support across the country- he’s led in California, Louisiana, South Carolina, and Texas and finished just behind in Illinois and Pennsylvania in recent polls. Gingrich may benefit from having less of a ‘loser’ stench to him than the other contenders- Huckabee, Palin, Romney, and Paul were all involved in losing campaigns in 2008 and Gingrich is a reminder of the time when Republicans were in charge.

-Mitt Romney is really slipping in these polls. He had the lead in both Pennsylvania and Texas the last time we polled those states but has fallen now to 4th in both. It’s a sign of how fleeting ‘frontrunner’ status can be this early in the game- it’s really not worth much because voters aren’t tuned in enough for it to be particularly meaningful or sustainable.

All right, one more piece of candy for Palin supporters. What do these two data sets have in common? The first is from Pennsylvania, the second from Texas:


Amazingly, in both crosstabs, Palin’s either tied for the lead or clearly ahead among liberal Republicans. I have no explanation for that, especially the 10-point advantage in Pennsylvania. The only thing I can think of is that the sample size of that group might be extraordinarily small. Note that the results in Pennsylvania are split perfectly evenly in 10-point chunks. Did they sample 10 liberal Republicans, with Palin the choice of three of them? Not sure.

Exit question via Mediaite: Is this man our next president?


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Sarah Palin is quite simply the only fiscal conservative. I mean REAL fiscal conservative.

She’s also the only one who actually knows something about energy. The next POTUS is going to have to totally rebuild our energy sector. Sarah will move heaven and earth to make us completely energy independent. That will crate jobs, REAL jobs.

The question now is who should she pick for Vice President?

Rick Perry?
Chris Christie?
Allen West?
Herman Cane?
Nikki Haley?

These are the serious questions people.

gary4205 on June 28, 2010 at 9:01 PM

I also add that is especially hard for a Republican to get their name out there. The Democrats have the media to help them get their name out.

terryannonline on June 28, 2010 at 9:01 PM

The long and short of it is…your candidates pretty much all suck. But those of your opponents are worse. And while
“we suck slightly less” isn’t much of an improvement, it’s all the choice there is at the moment.

Dark-Star on June 28, 2010 at 8:51 PM

suck? Only if you like pale pastels instead of bold colors

unseen on June 28, 2010 at 9:02 PM

These are the serious questions people.

gary4205 on June 28, 2010 at 9:01 PM

As long as she doesn’t make the same mistake Reagan made and pick a blue blood like bush that will destroy the Palin revo*ution like the bushes did to Reagan.

unseen on June 28, 2010 at 9:03 PM

Liberal Republicans are not as “liberal” as liberal Democrats, and have come to the conclusion that Palin was right about Obummer.

Liberal Republicans are also feeling very guilty right now about their votes for Chicago Jesus.

victor82 on June 28, 2010 at 9:04 PM

Palin, if she wins the nomination, will pick Christie as her veep. Bet on it. She needs a Giuliani without Giuliani’s headaches (cell phone calls in the middle of speeches, personnel disasters, etc.).

If not Christie, or if Christie has ties to Don Barzini that we don’t know about, then she goes for the Inside Straight and picks Nikki Haley and goes to the country with a Girl Governors ticket.

Part of me wants to see her pick Haley so we can see the uproarious kneeslapper called the Nikki Haley-Joe Biden “debate”.

victor82 on June 28, 2010 at 9:08 PM

The first one to say: “This is War~ against a Resurgent Jihad~ and we will win it!” gets my vote.

profitsbeard on June 28, 2010 at 8:41 PM

“My philosophy on our enemies: We win, they lose”

~Sarah Palin

gary4205 on June 28, 2010 at 9:10 PM

There is a lot of love out there for candidates’ images. But seriously, people do not trust images very much. What people want is to watch a candidate over time act and react under successes and failures and attacks until they sense f that they “Know” that person. You have to play the game in the spotlight for a few years. Picking some fresh face that can then be easily mis-defined by the Government Media’s slander blitz is NOT going to work. The voters sense that real strength comes from being unfairly treated a few times and coming back stronger than before. They trust that person as a friend they have tested and know. The only good choices now are Palin or Bush. Yet I fear the Bushes will want to see the GOP lose with a bad candidate so that they get the Office in 4 more years. And how the hell did a helpless Bob Dole end up being nominated and losing to Clinton just so W could get the Office in 4 more years?

jimw on June 28, 2010 at 9:12 PM

As long as she doesn’t make the same mistake Reagan made and pick a blue blood like bush that will destroy the Palin revo*ution like the bushes did to Reagan.

unseen on June 28, 2010 at 9:03 PM

I’m pretty sure Sarah learned that lesson, but she’s pragmatic as hell, and can read the political landscape better than anyone in politics. I imagine she’ll pick another hard core conservative, but depending on the situation, who knows. I don’t think she’ll pick a compromise though like GHWB, so no Romney or Newt.

In fact, I think her and Rick Perry are real buddies, and you know Texas is like her second home, but he may be too old. She may pick someone her own age.

Putting her administration together for her over the next 2 years will be a fun time waster!

I have a feeling who ever she picks will be another Governor and a strong leader. Though someone like Allen West, would work nice. You don’t get to his rank without understanding both politics, and how the world works.

Frankly, that might be THE dream ticket.

gary4205 on June 28, 2010 at 9:19 PM

The next POTUS is going to have to totally rebuild our energy sector. Sarah will move heaven and earth to make us completely energy independent. That will crate jobs, REAL jobs.

gary4205 on June 28, 2010 at 9:01 PM

The way the EPA has been sitting on energy production in this country, rebuilding the energy sector won’t just create jobs, it would practically create an economy. Nuclear construction, new refinery construction (how long has it been?), aggressive domestic drilling, pipe-line construction, would put gazillions of people to work, PLUS reduce energy costs, which would reverberate across the whole economy. It would also be a game-changer internationally. The Dems heads will pop when they see this economy turn around, once they’ve taken their collective boot-heel off of its windpipe. “Bu-but we didn’t think it was possible. . . we were supposed to be doooomed to mediocrity forever. . . waaaaaah.”

smellthecoffee on June 28, 2010 at 9:22 PM

Oh great. Total block quote inversion. D’oh!

smellthecoffee on June 28, 2010 at 9:23 PM

Very interesting.

ohiobabe on June 28, 2010 at 9:31 PM

If not Christie, or if Christie has ties to Don Barzini that we don’t know about, then she goes for the Inside Straight and picks Nikki Haley and goes to the country with a Girl Governors ticket.

Part of me wants to see her pick Haley so we can see the uproarious kneeslapper called the Nikki Haley-Joe Biden “debate”.

victor82 on June 28, 2010 at 9:08 PM

That would be a fun pick. It would play well.

I still think she’ll pick Rick Perry. Just gut feeling.

I sure like Allen West though. If nothing else, that ticket would finally expose the left for the racist, sexist losers they are.

gary4205 on June 28, 2010 at 9:35 PM

The way the EPA has been sitting on energy production in this country, rebuilding the energy sector won’t just create jobs, it would practically create an economy. Nuclear construction, new refinery construction (how long has it been?), aggressive domestic drilling, pipe-line construction, would put gazillions of people to work, PLUS reduce energy costs, which would reverberate across the whole economy. It would also be a game-changer internationally. The Dems heads will pop when they see this economy turn around, once they’ve taken their collective boot-heel off of its windpipe. “Bu-but we didn’t think it was possible. . . we were supposed to be doooomed to mediocrity forever. . . waaaaaah.”

smellthecoffee on June 28, 2010 at 9:22 PM

Well said!!

It would be a thing of beauty. Sarah would bring in all of her people and clean house over at the EPA.

gary4205 on June 28, 2010 at 9:38 PM

Sarah Palin is quite simply the only fiscal conservative. I mean REAL fiscal conservative.

gary4205 on June 28, 2010 at 9:01 PM

She isn’t the ONLY fiscal conservative among the potential front runners for the 2012 GOP primaries.

When Mitt Romney walked into the Govenor’s mansion in Massachusetts, he inherited a massive deficit of approximately $3 billion.

However, Mitt Romney was able to balance the state budget for each year of his administration and got the state out of debt by implementing a mixture of aggressive reduction in the size and cost of government along with bold strategies to spur economic growth.

By 2005, Mitt Romney had a budget surplus of $1 billion and by the time he left office in 2007, he left the state had a $ 2 billion surplus.

Source.

Inheriting a deficit of $ 3 billion and leaving the state with $2 billion is a fact that voters will appreciate about Mitt Romney when the Federal deficit becomes the major topic of 2012.

Conservative Samizdat on June 28, 2010 at 9:39 PM

I like Sarah Palin and hope she decides to run. But come on. PPP? You might as well shoot spit wads at a moving target as rely on that polling outfit.

Tennman on June 28, 2010 at 9:45 PM

I have a hard time believing Sarah polls in third place in Texas, but whatever I guess. These polls mean nothing of course.

As for what is responsible for Newt’s sudden surge, I’d say it’s the same thing propelling Palin forward in PA: More face time. Both have been highly visible in the MSM of late. Huck is on every week (unfortunately). Where has Mitt been? We saw a bit of him during his book tour, but he’s since fallen off the radar screen. If he wants people to consider him, he’s going to have to find a way to remain top of mind with them.

NoLeftTurn on June 28, 2010 at 9:55 PM

I have a feeling who ever she picks will be another Governor and a strong leader. Though someone like Allen West, would work nice. You don’t get to his rank without understanding both politics, and how the world works.

Frankly, that might be THE dream ticket.

gary4205 on June 28, 2010 at 9:19 PM

Two problems with Allen West as Veep. First, he has to win his House race. While we’ve been busy anointing Rubio, Crist has pulled ahead in a lot of polls. It’s wise to not put the cart before the horse for Col. West either.

Secondly, even if he did win his race, he’d have less than 2 years of Congressional experience come 2012. Granted that wouldn’t look so bad were Palin at the top of the ticket(and let’s not forget about Barry’s thin resume), but it’s still cause for some concern.

All that being said, West would absolutely destroy Bite Me in a VP debate. I’d pay good money to see that. And his presence on the ticket could be the ultimate checkmate for Obama and the Dems regarding the black vote. The only way they’d dare to play the race card against the GOP in 2012 is with Uncle Tom slurs and they do not have the stones to do that with a man like West.

Doughboy on June 28, 2010 at 10:06 PM

Haha! Huckabee’s slippin’. This must be why Huckabee is trashing all the other potential contenders–Mitch Daniels, Romney and Palin. That joke Huck made about Palin doing lines of cocaine (after she stated her beliefs about less law-enforcement against pot smokers), was backstabbing to say the least. Here it is if you’ve not seen it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_XitNJOSGs&feature=player_embedded

Shelby on June 28, 2010 at 10:10 PM

No Left Turn on June 28, 2010 at 9:55 PM

I think the the GOP establishment is petrified at the thought of Huckabee not running and Palin inheriting most of his evangelical support. And if that is the case it is not sure if Romney can carry the day especially by bleeding enough conservatives away from Palin under those circumstances. In 2008 it was obvious what Mitt’s problem was and in 2012 I do not see his fortunes changing much among so-cons. But with Gingrich, the thinking may be that Newt has been around so long that he could bleed enough conservatives away from Palin to stop her ascendancy.

With the current poll results, if they remain the same in one year, with Romney continue to crater in the polls with Gingrich and Palin in the ascendancy, I could see the GOP establishment deciding to cut ties with Mitt and run over to Newt as fast as possible.

technopeasant on June 28, 2010 at 10:12 PM

Palin/Christie would kick a&& in ’12. I’m in.

james23 on June 28, 2010 at 10:17 PM

So who runs with Neutered? Dede S?

james23 on June 28, 2010 at 10:19 PM

CUDA

Metro on June 28, 2010 at 10:21 PM

Not even Allah’s sexist rants against Palin can stop the Sarahcuda from her destiny of inheriting the Reagan legacy and becoming POTUS.

Mr Purple on June 28, 2010 at 10:25 PM

Palin/Christie would kick a&& in ‘12. I’m in.

I’m with ya.

Also, though a case can still be made against Palin’s presidential qualities, you have to admit that out of all the potential candidates, she’d be the most prepared to withstand the liberal attack machine, since she has WAY more practice at it than the rest of the field combined. Grab a few smart campaign managers from the most recently successful (and less old-school) Republican campaigns like Brown, Christie, and Haley, and she’s in business.

Animator Girl on June 28, 2010 at 10:35 PM

I doubt any poll that has Newt doing that well.

NebCon on June 28, 2010 at 10:38 PM

You Betcha!

Kissmygrits on June 28, 2010 at 10:43 PM

As long as she doesn’t make the same mistake Reagan made and pick a blue blood like bush that will destroy the Palin revo*ution like the bushes did to Reagan.

unseen on June 28, 2010 at 9:03 PM

Rumor has it that Reagan didn’t want Bush as his running mate in 1980. Reagan wanted Jack Kemp. However the party blue bloods said they would be tepid in their support unless he chose a moderate like Ford or Bush. Reagan immdediately shot down the Ford choice and the rest is history.

Palin wouldn’t fall into that trap. She wouldn’t give a rats a$s who the party establishment wanted as her Veep pick.

veni vidi vici on June 28, 2010 at 10:49 PM

I have a hard time believing Sarah polls in third place in Texas, but whatever I guess.

NoLeftTurn on June 28, 2010 at 9:55 PM

Me either. It’s a big if, but IF Palin decides to run, I’d be willing to bet that the entire South and Southwest is hers. Forget Huckabee and Gingrich. Gingrich as the GOP nominee would be even more of a nightmare than Huckabee, anyway. Talk about grand piano-sized baggage.

ddrintn on June 28, 2010 at 10:56 PM

Newt Gingrich?
Scozzaaaaafaaaaaava!

Wolfen on June 28, 2010 at 11:00 PM

Newt won’t be able to recover from all the negative ads in the primaries showing him on the couch warning us against the bogus global warming!!! Knock out punches totally

karenhasfreedom on June 28, 2010 at 11:10 PM

Oh, forgot to add, sitting on the couch next to PELOSI of all people!!

karenhasfreedom on June 28, 2010 at 11:10 PM

I know a lot of cattle guys in the middle of nowhere texas, about 2 hours from austin and DFW. ALL of them adore the Cuda, so if the very manly Texas men all support the Cuda and her politics, she has Texas in the bag.

karenhasfreedom on June 28, 2010 at 11:13 PM

Gingrich is worse than Huck. He’s a two faced political hack. Remember Nancy and him on the couch? I do.

sandee on June 28, 2010 at 7:28 PM

Do you think they did it on the couch before or after the ad . I think before , just something about the way Nancy’s eyes didn’t move .

borntoraisehogs on June 28, 2010 at 11:33 PM

Palin 2012. Accept no substitutes.

Emperor Norton on June 28, 2010 at 11:44 PM

I know a lot of cattle guys in the middle of nowhere texas, about 2 hours from austin and DFW. ALL of them adore the Cuda, so if the very manly Texas men all support the Cuda and her politics, she has Texas in the bag.

karenhasfreedom on June 28, 2010 at 11:13 PM

If that Perry/Palin rally here in H-Town(Cypress to be exact) back on Super Bowl Sunday was any indication, Texas is Cuda Country. There were about 8,000 people there going nutz for the woman. The lady next to my wife and me would not stop screaming “SARAH!!!” the entire time she was speaking. I guess she’s the equivalent of the fainting ladies at Obama rallies.

Doughboy on June 28, 2010 at 11:46 PM

Considering that Palin has been doing everything except carnival midways to stay in the spotlight since she quit her last job, her fans should be worried. Newt is not actively teasing people about a run, posting daily facebook musings and forgetting where Reagan went to college when she speaks to crowds.
Yet he is at least even with her if not ahead in several states.
She just won’t get much more than she is now. If Newt ran he would administer the knockout punch in the first debate. She is not in the same league.

Bradky on June 28, 2010 at 11:49 PM

Considering that Palin has been doing everything except carnival midways to stay in the spotlight since she quit her last job, her fans should be worried. Newt is not actively teasing people about a run, posting daily facebook musings and forgetting where Reagan went to college when she speaks to crowds.
Yet he is at least even with her if not ahead in several states.
She just won’t get much more than she is now. If Newt ran he would administer the knockout punch in the first debate. She is not in the same league.

Bradky on June 28, 2010 at 11:49 PM

Whistling past the graveyard….

There Goes The Neighborhood on June 29, 2010 at 12:02 AM

Slightly OT: GOP women really are better looking: Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R) Washington Dist 5 —

http://mcmorrisrodgers.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=3&sectiontree=2,3

Dasher on June 29, 2010 at 12:02 AM

For those of you who don’t like Romney, Palin, Gingrich or Huckabee let me tell you that you are SOL.

When 4 candidates garner almost an equal share of the vote give or take a few percentage points, frankly there is no more room left over for anyone else,

Agreed. The chances for a “dark horse” in American politics has always been minimal at best. Looking at history, not a single “dark horse” candidate has ever won the GOP nomination in recent memory, at least since the advent of TV advertising.

And the 2012 primary race is bound to the most expensive ever. Unless a candidate is self-funded; he or she will have to rely on name recognition & massive fundraising ability.

Huckabee, Romney, Palin & Gingrich appear to be the four serious contenders. Pawlenty has not really registred in polls and I doubt he has the charisma to make a break-through.

Norwegian on June 29, 2010 at 12:21 AM

Can any of you actually imagine Newt making a quick decision on anything? The man is a muller and always has both sides in his head at once. The two sides fight it out and Newt is only the referee. He would be a terrible leader. Look at some of his gaffs. He would be a real moderate if he thought he could get elected being one. Mitt is a moderate from the ground up and leans liberal in his heart of hearts. The Cuda is the only one who walks the walk.

inspectorudy on June 29, 2010 at 12:31 AM

Sarah Palin is quite simply the only fiscal conservative. I mean REAL fiscal conservative.

gary4205 on June 28, 2010 at 9:01 PM

She isn’t the ONLY fiscal conservative among the potential front runners for the 2012 GOP primaries.

When Mitt Romney walked into the Govenor’s mansion in Massachusetts, he inherited a massive deficit of approximately $3 billion.

However, Mitt Romney was able to balance the state budget for each year of his administration and got the state out of debt by implementing a mixture of aggressive reduction in the size and cost of government along with bold strategies to spur economic growth.

By 2005, Mitt Romney had a budget surplus of $1 billion and by the time he left office in 2007, he left the state had a $ 2 billion surplus.

Source.

Inheriting a deficit of $ 3 billion and leaving the state with $2 billion is a fact that voters will appreciate about Mitt Romney when the Federal deficit becomes the major topic of 2012.

Conservative Samizdat on June 28, 2010 at 9:39 PM

Yawn ….

Sarah did the same thing AND put together a $40 billion deal to build a pipeline, the largest construction project in North American history, and did it using private sources and mostly private money.

Something else, whatever money Mittens save the state has been pissed away on RomneyCare.

Also, Romney ran on creating jobs. After his first year in office the great “businessman” did so well Massachussetts was DEAD LAST in Job Creation. After 4 years? Not much better

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/mitt-romney-tries-to-play-the-jobs-card-2010-02-23

Sorry. Romney is a phony, a fraud. A fake.

There is only real deal, and that’s Sarah Palin. Accept no substitutes.

gary4205 on June 29, 2010 at 12:42 AM

Conservative Samizdat on June 28, 2010 at 9:39 PM

Oh, speaking of big construction projects, didn’t a piece of the “Big Dig” fall on a motorist and kill her on Willard’s watch?

gary4205 on June 29, 2010 at 12:45 AM

Two problems with Allen West as Veep. First, he has to win his House race. While we’ve been busy anointing Rubio, Crist has pulled ahead in a lot of polls. It’s wise to not put the cart before the horse for Col. West either.

Secondly, even if he did win his race, he’d have less than 2 years of Congressional experience come 2012. Granted that wouldn’t look so bad were Palin at the top of the ticket(and let’s not forget about Barry’s thin resume), but it’s still cause for some concern.

All that being said, West would absolutely destroy Bite Me in a VP debate. I’d pay good money to see that. And his presence on the ticket could be the ultimate checkmate for Obama and the Dems regarding the black vote. The only way they’d dare to play the race card against the GOP in 2012 is with Uncle Tom slurs and they do not have the stones to do that with a man like West.

Doughboy on June 28, 2010 at 10:06 PM

Yeah that’s why Col West is more of a “dream candidate” than tops on my list. It’s obvious that something is wrong in Florida if Charlie Crist is leading, but …

My thing on West isn’t, and won’t be, his time in elected office. This is from his military experience. At his rank he has serious executive level experience and has had to deal with budgets, logistics, and well, has the necessary skills.

I put Nikki Haley in the dream thing too. I have no doubt she will be elected, and have no doubt she’ll be a great governor, but we’ll see. The only problem is she would have only been a governor for a year and a half. Longshot.

I still think it will be Perry.

gary4205 on June 29, 2010 at 12:52 AM

…Huckabee, Romney, Palin & Gingrich appear to be the four serious contenders. Pawlenty has not really registred in polls and I doubt he has the charisma to make a break-through.

Norwegian on June 29, 2010 at 12:21 AM

Ok then…of those four, who would be the best candidate?

IMO…

Huckabee may do well in early primaries, but would be exposed as the big gov’t progressive in conservative evangelical clothing (extra-large please, and with expanding elastic waistbands) that he really is. His “I lost 100 pounds!” meme won’t help him this time around, and that murderer he pardoned won’t help his case either.

Romney, while maybe having good business experience, wouldn’t be likely to survive the early primaries. There are simply too many strikes against him…his religion turns some people off, his perfectly coiffed appearance turns some people off, and Romneycare is a pair of cement shoes for any presidential campaign.

Gingrich may do well in early primaries, but he, Huck, and Palin would be splitting the evangelical vote. So he needs a to draw on his grasp of history and world affairs, but would that be enough for folks to pull the lever for him? He has decades of baggage for his opponents to mine, especially that unbelievably cringe-worthy fear-mongering GLOBAL WARMING ad while sharing the couch with none other than Fancy Nancy! I don’t see his candidacy surviving that when the country is looking for commonsense conservative leadership.

That leaves Palin…I believe most of the critisisms of her are easily dismissed in a primary, but maybe not so much when the entire “America Idol” electorate weighs in. But with our nation teetering on the tipping point of entitlement programs, no candidate will have a cake-walk in the general. For the primary, however, Palin has been building a coalition of (mostly) successful endorsements for state and national offices, far and away better than I’ve seen other, more “experienced” candidates doing (can you say “Scozzafava”?). Of course, her candidates need to win in November, but things are looking good. That plus her tireless touring, speaking, and supporting of a range of charities and conservative groups put her in prime position to take the nomination and have a deep support network.

Her Facebook posts and op-eds in the WaPo and WSJ are the knock out punches to her opponents. While she was originally (surprise!) ridiculed as a new Fox News Pundit, she has really come into her own lately, even going so far as to take O’Reilly to task for being too soft and forgiving of Ojesus’ policies and actions. SHE alone is the one leading the opposition to Obama. Huck is hard to take seriously, Romney is AWOL, and Newt provides good analysis, but can’t win, IMO.

All things considered, I believe that leaves Palin head and shoulders above the fray, IMO.

Palin/? 2012

/just my $.02…probly cost you more than it’s worth, but it cost me 2 glasses of wine ;)

ornery_independent on June 29, 2010 at 1:17 AM

Slight revision of my dream ticket for 2012…

Palin/Ball-Busting Take-No-Prisoners Commonsense Conservative in 2012

Chris Christie fits the bill, but others do too.

ornery_independent on June 29, 2010 at 1:31 AM

That is all fine and dandy… and I have no doubt that Palin could probably win the GOP nomination, but SHE IS SIMPLY UNELECTABLE IN THE GENERAL ELECTION.

She is a polarizing figure and will inspire those dems and indies who haven’t voted in 20 years (or ever) to come out to vote against her. Fair or not, she engenders a hatred from the other side like no other.

Palin is a great grassroots campaigner for conservatives causes, but she is simply not electable. Michael Savage is right about that one….
Hopefully, Palin is enough of a patriot to realize the inevitable and will not put the country through that and hand us 4 more years of Obama. I am hoping and praying she is more wise and prescient than her lovesick and blinded fans.

PollyTix101 on June 29, 2010 at 1:33 AM

Something else, whatever money Mittens save the state has been pissed away on RomneyCare.

gary4205 on June 29, 2010 at 12:42 AM

WRONG. Romney left the state with a $2 billion surplus. Patrick Deval and the Democrats pissed away the gift Romney left the state with their mismanagement of the state’s health care system.

If Massachusetts is having financial problems four years after Romney left them with a rainy day fund surplus of $2 billion, then facts lead us to conclude that it has something to do with Deval’s leadership.

Michael J. Widmer, president of the Massachusetts Taxpayers Foundation confirms this fact. He explains that RomneyCare has nothing to do with Massachusetts current financial crisis:

According to the administration, tax revenues have fallen $2 billion below the amounts the fiscal 2009 budget was built upon. And the Massachusetts Budget and Policy Center, a left-leaning budget think tank, says the problem has been compounded by permanent tax cuts put in place during the late 1990s.

Adding to these financial woes is an increase in the number of people relying on unemployment benefits as the result of losing their jobs, said Alan Sager, a professor of health policy and management at Boston University. “The state would be facing a deficit no matter what,” Sager said.

So, while the state may be broke, it has little to do with the health care program Mitt Romney put in place over three years ago. Instead, tax revenue shortfalls and a growing reliance on unemployment benefits due to layoffs have put a massive budget burden on the state

Source.

Lets deal with your charge about jobs:

Also, Romney ran on creating jobs. After his first year in office the great “businessman” did so well Massachussetts was DEAD LAST in Job Creation. After 4 years? Not much better

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/mitt-romney-tries-to-play-the-jobs-card-2010-02-23

gary4205 on June 29, 2010 at 12:42 AM

As for jobs, Romney created 80,000 new jobs by the end of his term. (Source.) Moreover, the unemployment rate when Romney took office was 5.7 percent, compared to 5.8 percent nationally. By November, it was 4.9 percent, compared to 5 percent nationally. (Source.)

Oh, speaking of big construction projects, didn’t a piece of the “Big Dig” fall on a motorist and kill her on Willard’s watch?

gary4205 on June 29, 2010 at 12:45 AM

Are you really going to argue that a negligent act by a construction company somehow makes Romney responsible for the woman’s death?

Look, if someone died, hypothetically, while constructing Palin’s pipeline, would you hold her responsible!?

I wouldn’t hold her responsible. She might be Governor of Alaska but she’s not the CEO of the pipeline company and neither is she the on site supervisor.

So, I don’t think holding Mitt responsible for that person’s death is logical or fair argument to make.

Conservative Samizdat on June 29, 2010 at 2:46 AM

Bradky on June 28, 2010 at 11:49 PM

You seem obsessed with Sarah getting a minor fact wrong on Reagan’s schooling – yet your idol Jindal FLAT OUT LIED to the American people in his SOTU rebuttal at a minimum. A more likely reason for Jindal’s gaffe is that he suffers from dimentia and cannot discern reality from fantasy.

Jindal had described being in the office of Sheriff Harry Lee “during Katrina,” and hearing him yelling into the phone at a government bureaucrat who was refusing to let him send volunteer boats out to rescue stranded storm victims, because they didn’t have the necessary permits. Jindal said he told Lee, “that’s ridiculous,” prompting Lee to tell the bureaucrat that the rescue effort would go ahead and he or she could arrest both Lee and Jindal.

But now, a Jindal spokeswoman has admitted to Politicothat in reality, Jindal overheard Lee talking about the episode to someone else by phone “days later.”

Then again it doesn’t surprise me that a bat$#!t crazy politician like Jindal would have bat$#!t crazy supporters like you.

…and where is Jindal in the poll? Fighting for about 7% of ‘undecideds’.

Mr Purple on June 29, 2010 at 2:50 AM

Frankly, that might be THE dream ticket.

gary4205 on June 28, 2010 at 9:19 PM

I’m still hoping for Palin/Petraeus.

I know Petraeus has said he would never challenge a POTUS he served under, but I don’t think it is a lock Zero even runs again. There is also a possibility he changes his mind and comes to the realization he HAS to run against him if he wants to win in Afghanistan.

Mr Purple on June 29, 2010 at 3:00 AM

I know Petraeus has said he would never challenge a POTUS he served under, but I don’t think it is a lock Zero even runs again. There is also a possibility he changes his mind and comes to the realization he HAS to run against him if he wants to win in Afghanistan.

Mr Purple on June 29, 2010 at 3:00 AM

I believe Petraus has essentially given his Sherman pledge that he would never run for POTUS.

Conservative Samizdat on June 29, 2010 at 3:20 AM

Conservative Samizdat on June 29, 2010 at 3:20 AM
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That quote seems to be more attributed to a 2012 run as POTUS than a declaration that he would never run for POTUS.

…and it may not be applicable to accepting VPOTUS with the right candidate.

Strangely, I seem to have already posted on this to gary4205.
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You MIGHT see a Palin/Petraeus ticket, but I promise you Sarah will never, ever, ever run as someone else’s number two again. It doesn’t work for her.

Sarah is an alpha and needs to be calling the shots. She’s the one with the leadership skills and the political savvy. Sarah has proven herself to be a natural.

Had Sarah been running the show instead of McCain and his band of fools we might have a very different group of folks in the WH right now.

No second chair for Sarah Palin!

gary4205 on October 14, 2009 at 2:38 AM

I would love the ticket in any order – but I am fairly confident Sarah would accept a VP nomination from Petraeus.

Mitt Romney, Ron Paul, Pawlenty she might tell to kiss her ass – I think Petraeus is another matter entirely.

Mr Purple on October 14, 2009 at 2:46 PM

Mr Purple on June 29, 2010 at 4:57 AM

Mr Purple on June 29, 2010 at 2:50 AM

a. Jindal is not likely to run in 2012 – he would only be about 42
b. You try to pigeonhole me as to who I “am for”. Not going to work — I can actually wait until the primaries to see who is actually running and make my choice at that time.
c. You actually need Palin to be president for some weird self-validation/worth accomplishment
d. Palin’s problems are many – in particular her inability to pull Dem/Ind into her fanbase. In otherwords a Palin run will mean an electoral disaster for the GOP
e. Referring to Jindal as crazy is laughable. Read the account in Game Change where it appears Sarah is losing her mind with the stress.

But go ahead and scream “Cuda!” just like the Fred! folks did a couple of years back at HA. Last I saw of him he is hawking insurance or something. Maybe Tina and her can do a reunion tour in 2013 — should make a mint from it.

Bradky on June 29, 2010 at 5:46 AM

I want a Palin-West or Palin – RPaul or Palin-Latino ticket.

But I wish she won’t run in 2012. I want my fellow Americans to further realize that:

1. Liberal Fascist NOBAMA will truly destroy America.
2. A Romney-type conservative will never defeat NOBAMA, the shadow-leader CPAUSA, the faux face of the dirty Hollywood, and the representative of the “Free-Riders” in America.

… if we still have that America after 8 years of liberal fascism of the Democrats.

TheAlamos on June 29, 2010 at 6:06 AM

Bradky on June 29, 2010 at 5:46 AM

Well you were pimping Jindal just yesterday. Amazing how quick you turn on somebody. You now claim you will wait for a nominee before making a choice – but you freely choose to eagerly bash Palin. Interesting. I guess you just like to sling mud, but claim you have no target to sling mud at.

So you don’t think Jindal is crazy. That leaves big fat liar – but somehow to you that is less of a transgression than confusing Eureka, CA with Eureka, IL.

Creating an alternate reality like Jindal did is not a good sign for a leader to display. The schizophrenic like Mr Rogers impersonation leads me to believe he is indeed mentally defective.

Continue to idolize him, though.

I’ll be waiting for him to stand up for his fundraiser Allee Bautsch who he pretty much threw under the bus after she was beaten and stomped by deranged liberals.

Mr Purple on June 29, 2010 at 7:40 AM

Inheriting a deficit of $ 3 billion and leaving the state with $2 billion is a fact that voters will appreciate about Mitt Romney when the Federal deficit becomes the major topic of 2012.

Conservative Samizdat on June 28, 2010 at 9:39 PM

When someone states “fiscal conservative” they mean someone that can balance a budget without taxing and creating “fees” to balance that budget, but by restraining government programs.
Also, be aware, that the U.S. had several years of great growth in the economy (spurred by the tax cuts of Bush, not the increases of Romney), the whole U.S. prospered…and wasted it on government programs like RomneyCare.

Gross domestic product (GDP), the broadest measure of economic activity, grew at a 7.2 percent annual rate in the quarter after growing at a 3.3 percent pace in the second quarter, the Commerce Department reported. Economists, on average, expected GDP growth of 6 percent, according to Briefing.com.

Sorry, Mitt is far from any fiscal conservative, and the word “conservative” should never be applied to him until he actually does something to earn that title.

right2bright on June 29, 2010 at 7:54 AM

Are you really going to argue that a negligent act by a construction company somehow makes Romney responsible for the woman’s death?

Conservative Samizdat on June 29, 2010 at 2:46 AM

You are correct he should not be held responsible…
However, he should hold the company that was negligent responsible, Bechtel, his long time (and father’s) supporter, and he did not. After much press, he fined them the minimum, and then awarded them a multi-million dollar no-bid contract. Despicable…but norm for a politician.

right2bright on June 29, 2010 at 8:00 AM

Didn’t Huck just say himself this weekend he’s the best opponent for Obama?

Not so fast Huck, long time to go yet.

Brian1972 on June 29, 2010 at 8:31 AM

I like Palin just fine (same with Huck and Mitt), but what this poll demonstrates is the weakness of the current field. Fortunately, none of these fine people will get the nomination.

Ging Newtrich? Pfft. Never gonna happen.

Tres Angelas on June 29, 2010 at 11:27 AM

Considering that Palin has been doing everything except carnival midways to stay in the spotlight since she quit her last job, her fans should be worried.

Bradky on June 28, 2010 at 11:49 PM

No, she’s in the spotlight because people are interested in her. It’s pretty much the same with Newt, who also seems to appear on this or that show constantly. If there were no interest in her, it wouldn’t matter how often she appeared even on carnival midways. She’d get about as much attention as you give to Romney threads.

ddrintn on June 29, 2010 at 4:29 PM

Ging Newtrich? Pfft. Never gonna happen.

Tres Angelas on June 29, 2010 at 11:27 AM

True. I’ll be president before Gingrich ever makes it out of a primary.

ddrintn on June 29, 2010 at 4:31 PM

VIDEO:

Lame Huckabee. This is silly politics that leaves a bad taste in my mouth … doesn’t matter what side its on.

Amy Ritter on June 29, 2010 at 4:44 PM

I hope she runs, I hope she gets the nomination. Sarah Palin is the ONLY republican that can explain the party, explain the differences in the two and call the Democrat party out on all of their lies.

Besides, I would absolutely love to see the debate between Obama and herself.. priceless. I have a friend who now lives in Alaska and said ” Sarah Palin knows more about energy and the corruption of the oil companies and how to put them in their place than any other candidate.” If she is running the campaign there is no telling what she can do..

shar61 on June 29, 2010 at 9:16 PM

It is so funny to read all these posts about how Sarah Palin will win against Obama! Especially funny is someone commented that Haley might not be a good candidate for VP for Sarah because she will only have 1 1/2 yrs. as Gov. LOL That’s just a little less than Sarah Palin would have as Gov. of Alaska. Yes, this is how much experience Obama had when he got to be President, HOWEVER, he now will have foreign and domestic experience. Therefore, Sarah Palin will NOT have enough experience for the American public to vote for her. They made the mistake of trusting the lack of experience for Obama, and won’t make that mistake in 2012! That leaves Sarah Palin out as winning IF she won the Republican nomination.

If anybody noticed a HUGE article in the New Yorker magazine for Mike Huckabee last week, they would see that this article was mostly favorable. The NYT then had a follow up article about, “Mike Huckabee the secret GOP frontrunner for 2012″. Then Wallace, on Fox News Live, had Mike Huckabee on his show last Sunday because of this New Yorker article. There are now many articles out there FOR a Mike Huckabee nomination in 2012. He has 13 1/2 executive experience, he was Gov. when Katrina came and he told his staff to ignore the red tape and help all of the people get shelter and food (just like he recently told Obama on his show and in other interviews that Obama should ignore the red tape and accept all help and get experts to help stop the leak and stop the incredible damage it was doing to our States. He showed leadership during Katrina and leadership for helping our economy to recover.

ddrintn,

Mike Huckabee has polled as the TOP winner in all the Southern States except the last poll in SC. Palin came in 3rd or 4th in the South. Gingrich might give Huckabee a problem in GA because it’s his home state, but Sarah cannot win the South over Mike Huckabee…sorry!!! BTW, Mike Huckabee IS running for President in 2012, so forget your hope that he won’t! He will win in IA (has polled highest in at least 3 polls in IA), will either win or take 2nd in SC, and now he lives in FL where he has been supporting many candidates. Hopefully, that will help him win FL in the 2012 primary.

Sarah Palin’s strength has been out West where there are many Libertarians. Unfortunately, for her most of the West will come so late in the Primary, that the momentum for Huckabee or Romney (hope not) will take her out of the race.

You Palin fans should face the truth about Sarah and based on many, many polls she and Newt have very high unfavorables which people will be looking at during the primaries to see who people would vote for. She has come in 4th of the top 4 Republican candidates up against Obama. Mike Huckabee has beaten Obama in 2 polls and polled highest against Obama in 12 out of the last 14 monthly national polls. BTW, Mike Huckabee has polled highest or 2nd highest in favorables and lowest unfavorables in all of the polls.

For all the fight and anger you all are so proud of Palin for having is exactly the reason why the Dems who don’t like what Obama is doing would NEVER vote for Sarah because she has alienated them so much. You need the moderate Dems and Independents to win the General. Sarah could possibly win the Republican nominee,but never win the general because of these angry comments she is always making.

VFT on June 29, 2010 at 10:25 PM

I don’t agree with everything Palin says and sometimes think she can mix a little more honey with the vinegar, but it’s better than the guy who says little (Romney), or the guy who takes an Obama-like lecture to say anything (Gingrich). Huck is a joke, and I don’t know who else is considering running. We’ll see.

IMO, Palin’s chances are easy to figure in the Republican primaries. She needs the Tea Party movement activists who agree with her to decide to register as GOPers en masse in the next year or so. Same for any other Tea Party-supported candidate. If that happens, she’ll swamp the primary.

That’s why these polls are more worthless than usual. It doesn’t answer the key question: Will the Tea Partiers register as Reps to make their statement?

Shotgun Messiah on June 29, 2010 at 11:06 PM

VFT on June 29, 2010 at 10:25 PM

Yeah, but his son likes to torture dogs and Huck is fond of pardoning felons who then molest children and kill police officers.

Mr Purple on June 30, 2010 at 2:45 AM

VFT on June 29, 2010 at 10:25 PM

That’s a new one, Palin concern troll: you don’t like her anger at Obama’s policies?!
Do you feel the same way about Rush’s anger for the same reason?

Also, I take it you’re a Huckbot?
Huck ain’t happenin’ in 2012 no matter how good you think his “favorables” are now.

Jenfidel on June 30, 2010 at 3:39 AM

That’s just a little less than Sarah Palin would have as Gov. of Alaska. Yes, this is how much experience Obama had when he got to be President,

VFT on June 29, 2010 at 10:25 PM

Governor Palin was in office for 2 and 1/2 years, not 1 and 1/2.
Secondly, she still has more executive experience than Maobama did when he became Precedent (which was none).

Jenfidel on June 30, 2010 at 3:48 AM

VFT on June 30, 2010 at 10:25 PM

SARAH COULD POSSIBLY WIN THE NOMINEE, BUT NEVER WIN THE GENERAL BECAUSE OF THESE ANGRY COMMENTS SHE IS ALWAYS MAKING

Let me deal with your last point first. If you are a football team starting out training camp, your goal is to NOT win the Super Bowl actually but to make it to conference championship game and then to win it. Two weeks later you will deal with the hoopla of the SB. With anybody running for POTUS it is no different. You act like winning the GOP nomination is no big deal. Do you realize how the perception of the candidate changes once he/she wins the nomination and embarks on a course of representing his/her party in the general election? You forget that there is often a 6-8 month gap between securing the nomination and the advent of the general election in November. Perceptions cna change over those several months. Polls go back and forth. Do you really think that the enmity that is now shown to Obama will subside by 2012, especially among conservatives who as Gallup just reported now comprise 42% of the electorate. And I would hazard a guess if Palin is nominated not as many conservatives would sit home like in 2008 or vote 3rd party. In addition Palin would pick up vast libertarian support and a fact that you miss–right now Obama is only running at 38% approval with WHITE VOTERS. If Palin could manage to garner 60% of the WHITE vote in 2012 she could win a landslide victory.

technopeasant on June 30, 2010 at 4:03 AM

VFT, now to your other points.

1)Mike Huckabee could win the nomination, but simply he must break out of his “southern stronghold” and show well in another region of the country. In 2008 he could not do that and I do not believe he can do that either in 2012; at least the polls are not showing that. Huck’s numbers are hopeless in the west and the NE and he just doesn’t play well in the northern states. If he can break through in the West or in the rust belt I might start to believe he is credible.

2) Palin is competing hard with Huck in Tennessee, Kentucky, W Virginia and now Louisiana. And with Haley probably the future governor of SC, Palin has an inside track into winning SC as well. And don’t forget since 1980 every winner of the SC GOP primary has gone on to win the GOP nomination.

3) It is not experience that will hold Huck back but his ideology. He is not a fiscal conservative and he is anti-libertarian.

3)By the time Palin reaches the end of 2011 people will not be using the experience argument anymore against her or at least it will not stick, because simply she will have exceeded expectations and shown the world how conversant she is with the issues and she does have another 18 months to even get better than she is now, and right now is pretty good.

4) You fail to make note that of the last 12 state PPP polls Sarah has finished first or tied for first in 5 of them. Her stock is in the ascendancy while Romney’s is on the decline. And Huck apparently has not taken advantage of Romney’s semi-collapse in his numbers in the last 2 months. If he had he would be way out in front now. It is actually Palin and Gingrich who have benefited the most by Romney’s collapse.

5)Finally Sarah endorsed Branstad and now also will be able to make inroads into Iowa with Branstad’s help. Huck will not be getting any help from Branstad.

technopeasant on June 30, 2010 at 4:16 AM

In a debate, Sarah Palin will make mincemeat of Mike Huckabee based on his record as Governor.
He was Gov for a long time, and he did many questionable things from the point of view of a Reagan Conservative, or even a conservative with strong libertarian leanings.

She will hit him hard on substance, while remaining charming.

He will get personal and snarky, and it will kill him with a large portion of the female GOP primary vote.
He relies on his overhyped sense of humor too much.
It really is his weakness.
She will exploit this expertly.
When she begins winning, he will get dirty and dismissive, and that will be it for Huck, even in the South.

Remember Huck backed not just a loser, but THE loser in South Carolina, Lt. Gov.Bauer, who came in dead last out of a field of four.
Palin backed the winner, and was instrumental in her surge to the top.
They are now seen as having a lot in common, natural allies and friends.
Huck is not.
He backed the slimeball.

I predict that if Palin does run, she will win Iowa and South Carolina, don’t know about New Hampshire, that may be Romney’s best shot, but NH sure as heck ain’t gonna vote for a Southern Baptist Minister.

Once the campaign gets going, I think Huck is very vulnerable as it relates to GOP primary voters.

His jokey personality conceals a nasty side, that came through in the closing days of the 2008 primary campaign.

Sarah will draw that out of him by winning the debate on substance of record, and then he will try to tear her down personally, through his “humor”, and it will bomb.

Mark my words, that is how it will go down.

Brian1972 on June 30, 2010 at 11:11 AM

Technopeasant,

Branstad is very unpoplar among the Evangelicals in IA (which is Huckabee’s base there) and because he won as Gov, they will come out strong for Huckabee in 2012. People in IA don’t like the Establishment candidates telling them who to vote for. They will vote who they want, not who the Gov. endorses. Also, in the IA Convention last week, Van Plaats got more votes for Lt. Gov. than he did during the election. This has never happened before in IA during the Convention, which shows their desire for a candidate for the Evangelicals.

The last poll in SC Huckabee did not do well. I believe it was because he was for Andre (which he had to be because he was his State campaign mgr. in 2008). He came very close to winning in SC in 2008, so I don’t believe that the people will hold Andre against him in 2 years. Again, the Gov. will not determine who people vote for (at least it sure doesn’t for me). I think Haley will endorse Romney if anybody because of all the money he has donated to her. Mike Huckabee has always been very popular in SC.

If you have been paying attention to the polls, it shows Huckabee is popular in the Midwest too. He was also within the MOE in PA. If NY goes to having delegates according to how you finish, Huckabee would get delegates in NY too. If anybody would win in NY, it would be Romney, not Sarah.

Yes,Sarah is popular out West, but unfortunately, for her the momentum will already have been made from the early states and Super Tuesday which could be more favorable for Huckabee (or Romney unfortunately). That is what counts in the primary.

Mike Huckabee won those 12 national polls not because of just Christians. He also gets lots of Moderates and Independents which shows that he is popular everywhere, not just the South. Yes, he is very strong in the South, but the Midwestern states vote before the West.

Sarah Palin is much more popular with the Libertarians, but her comments recently about the police ignoring pot smoking in the home will turn a lot of people off to her. Everyone knows that legalizing pot would just cause more harm and more addicts than we already have. The Libertarian desire to legalize marijuana will be popular in states like CA, but not the South or Midwest. Libertarians did not help Ron Paul much last time did they?

Nobody will forget experience in the 2012 election after seeing the lack of experience in Obama and the harm that has caused. Because of Sarah’s lack of experience and because she quit, which during this very difficult time in America politics, will be VERY detrimental to Palin no matter how Palinbots spin it, I don’t believe she can win against Obama. Obama in 2012 will have lots of foreign experience from being President that Sarah would have to go against. Not the same as in 2008. She needs to be elected to some office, finish her tenure, and maybe by 2020, she would be the formidable candidate you all think she is now.

Do you really believe that those 8-10 months the Dems and all the Independents will forget how much hatred and anger she has expressed for the last 2 1/2 years towards them? Her unfavorables back up what I’m saying. They cannot stand her and won’t forget her whining about the MSM all the time either. She has chosen a path that will not help her win in the general no matter how much you all root for her to “go after them”.

Mike Huckabee has been the Republican who has scored the best against Obama. Sarah Palin has been 3rd, or 4th against him. Their is a reason for that. People in this country do NOT think she is qualified to be President no matter how many people come to her functions. She is a celebrity. People love to see celebrities, but they won’t vote for them to be President.

That executive experience Mike Huckabee has will be invaluable when he becomes President or during the primaries (I hope).

Yes, people hopefully will be very angry at Obama in 2012, but we are talking about which Conservative would be the best President and can win against him. Mike Huckabee has a much better chance than Sarah Palin.

VFT on June 30, 2010 at 11:13 AM

VFT on June 30, 2010 at 11:13 AM

Again VFT if Huck can show me that he can excel in another region besides the Deep South and what I mean by excel is win a state outside the “Bible belt” then I will concede that Huck stands a chance. But one of the main reasons Huck is languishing at 6.2 on Intrade, besides Clemmons, is the perception Huck, despite his good standing in many polls, simply cannot win in places like Colorado, Montana, Wisconsin or Ohio.

Here is a quote from Dave Gaultier over at Rightosphere who summarized Huck’s chances:

“Huckabee can’t seem to establish a foothold outside of Iowa, and maybe a couple of other states. He can’t out-conservative Newt in the South, and he can’t out-libertarian Palin in the West and his Southern preacher cultural cues are no match for Sarah’s rugged frontierswoman cultural cues in the snowy states of the North.”

technopeasant on June 30, 2010 at 12:10 PM

VFT, I don’t care how much you Huckabots spin it, Huck is not a fiscal conservative.

The documentation is out there, he raised taxes on his state multiple times.

The pardons are a big problem, much bigger than any comment about prioritizing simple pot possession lower than other things for law enforcement. Law enforcement is not Huck’s strong suit, not by a long shot.

Palin’s record office is shorter, but packed with big accomplishments that are impressive, and not contrary to the sensibilities of GOP primary voters.

Huckabee is a weak candidate, and I think the attention he got in 2008 has gone to his head a little bit.

In a real campaign, I think he gets exposed as something of a phony.
No matter how much he whines about it.

Huckabee’s hatred and anger toward Mormons will not help him this time around, even in the South.

No matter how much you Huckabots try to spin it, or how much he whines and complains about it.

Brian1972 on June 30, 2010 at 12:36 PM

technopeasant:

Newt is considered a Washington insider. He does not have the executive experience needed to govern as President. The voters will be looking for executive experience because legislative experience is what Obama had and it hasn’t shown sufficient in these terrible times. The voters will be looking for an anti-Establishment person like Huckabee and even Sarah…not the Establishment like Romney or Newt. As far as out-Conservative Newt, remember the Southern people do NOT look on adulters very favorably and Newt has a very bad record in those areas. When they are reminded of his past, Newt won’t be the favorite in the South. Remember there will be lots of Independents and Moderates in the South who will vote for Mike Huckabee in those elections.

I don’t pay one bit of attention to Intrade. They have been wrong on most of their picks. I depend on voters, not people gambling on what they don’t know…mainly who the voters want, not who they want. As you know, most of the people in the South do not gamble, so probably are not on Intrade.

Dave is not the most independent thinker is he? He is going by who he wants, not what the polls show or who the voters will vote for. Sarah made be a good outdoors person, but we need executive leadership who can work with all the people in this country. Mike Huckabee had to govern in the Democratic state of Arkansas where there were more Democrats in the Legislature percentage wise than there were in MA at that same time. Yet, he accomplished a lot in Arkansas. The Dems nailed his door shut from the inside when he was made Gov. when Huckabee was Lt. Gov and the Gov. was convicted of crimes. He just went into a another office and did his job. He is not pretentious, he worked for the people in Arkansas and was voted as Gov. two more terms. He knows how to work with Dems to get things done.

Dems have consistently said they like Mike Huckabee as very likeable (which is important in an election). If they are unhappy with Obama’s policies, who do you think they would vote for: Mike Huckabee as an alternative who is respectful to them, but sticks up for his principles, or Sarah Palin, who has consistently said hateful and anger-filled comments to and about them? They would be much more apt to vote for Huckabee.

Mike Huckabee said during the 2008 primaries that legislators make the laws that the Governors have to actually make happen in their states with budgets to stay within and the opposition (Dems) to work with. That’s exactly what a President has to do.

I’m not sure, but I thought Mike Huckabee won Ohio in the 2008 primaries. I do know that after he withdrew from the primaries in 2008, he garnered between 8-13% of the votes in states he hadn’t even campaigned in. Romney didn’t get this amount of support even though all the MSM and Republican pundits were pushing him every day during the primary. There is no way Mike Huckabee could be winning in the amount of polls he has without voters from states other than in the South. He is within the MOE in PA, he has won in MO, and was winning MO in 2008 until St. Louis came in at the very last and John McCain took it and won MO. He came in 2nd in IL. In 2008, Hannity said every day on his radio program and on his TV program that Huckabee was not running in FL. This strongly affected his ability to garner votes. Because of this Huckabee did not campaign very much in FL, he was busy campaigning in GA & AL and the next week when Super Tues came, it showed because Huckabee won both of those states. So, you cannot base how he will do in FL by last time. He now lives in FL and has supported many candidates in FL. This will help him in 2012. It is true he didn’t do very well in a poll already done in FL but that was before the public knew about Romneycare and before Huckabee moved into the State. I think if another poll was taken now, he would be much closer to winning than before. So, as you can see, you cannot just allocate Huckabee to the South and you will see that in 2012.

Mike Huckabee went out to Las Vegas in the last 2 mos. and the people out there loved him. The comments after his show there asked him to come back to Vegas lots more. Could he win Vegas, maybe not, but I think he would get more delegates than the last primary. He didn’t campaign out West at all last time, and it has been proven that whereever he campaigns the people get to see who he is and he gets lots more support. We will see what happens in 2012.

VFT on June 30, 2010 at 12:56 PM

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