Obamateurism of the Day

posted at 8:05 am on June 28, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

There is an enduring belief system in academic circles that there was little to nothing of significant difference between the two sides of the Cold War, a strain of thought that owes its life to the power of moral relativism. According to those besotted by its influence, there were no real philosophical or moral differences between the United States and the Soviet Union and their allies on either side of the divide, just competition for national influence. The people who had to live behind the Iron Curtain know differently, but one of the most famous and fatuous proponents of this worldview hosted the Russian President at the White House last week and offered this drastically revisionist and simplistic view of over forty years of world history:

“Those were the same hopes of another generation of Americans and Russians — the generation that stood together as allies in the Second World War —- the Great Patriotic War in which the Russian people suffered and sacrificed so much. We recently marked the 65th anniversary of our shared victory in that war, including that historic moment when American and Soviet troops came together in friendship at the Elbe River in Germany.

“A reporter who was there at that time, all those years ago, said: ‘If there is a fine, splendid world in the future, it will largely be because the United States and Russia get on well together. If it is in trouble, it will be because they don’t get on well. It’s as simple as that.’”

Mr. President, the decades that followed saw many troubles — too many troubles. But 65 years later, it’s still as simple as that. Our countries are more secure and the world is safer when the United States and Russia get on well together.

Uh, not exactly, President Obama. It wasn’t anywhere near as simple as that. The Soviets held half of Europe under its thumb not because we just couldn’t get along, but because they wanted to keep Eastern Europe enslaved to their bankrupt and tyrannical political system. Steve at No Runny Eggs identifies those who could have given Barack Obama a history lesson or two to correct his thinking:

I think the Poles, Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians, Hungarians, Slavs, Croats, Bosnians, Romanians and Croats (among others) might have a second opinion on that.

The reason that Russia and the US get along as well as we do now is because Russia is no longer the Soviet Union, which collapsed when the US helped Eastern Europe finally free itself from Soviet tyranny by bankrupting the tyrants at the top. The only people who insist on clinging to the idea of moral relativism between the Soviets and the Americans and that the big problem was a simple dislike between the two nations are simply simpletons themselves.

Got an Obamateurism of the Day? If you see a foul-up by Barack Obama, e-mail it to me at obamaisms@edmorrissey.com with the quote and the link to the Obamateurism. I’ll post the best Obamateurisms on a daily basis, depending on how many I receive. Include a link to your blog, and I’ll give some link love as well. And unlike Slate, I promise to end the feature when Barack Obama leaves office.

Illustrations by Chris Muir of Day by Day. Be sure to read the adventures of Sam, Zed, Damon, and Jan every day!


Related Posts:

Breaking on Hot Air

Blowback

Note from Hot Air management: This section is for comments from Hot Air's community of registered readers. Please don't assume that Hot Air management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment just because we let it stand. A reminder: Anyone who fails to comply with our terms of use may lose their posting privilege.

Trackbacks/Pings

Trackback URL

Comments

I blame Bush for that whole Cold War thingy.

Johnnyreb on June 28, 2010 at 8:08 AM

History schmistory

cmsinaz on June 28, 2010 at 8:10 AM

.

According to those besotted by its influence, there were no real philosophical or moral differences between the United States

.
wonderful, Ed surpasses my elementary reading level with the first post of the week.//

ted c on June 28, 2010 at 8:11 AM

I think the Poles, Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians, Hungarians, Slavs, Croats, Bosnians, Romanians and Croats (among others) might have a second opinion on that.

and the Afghans as well…

ted c on June 28, 2010 at 8:12 AM

…including that historic moment when American and Soviet troops came together in friendship at the Elbe River in Germany..

which is nicely dramatized by the toasting scene in Patton (1970), as the general and his Soviet counterpart warily stare stare at each other….

apostic on June 28, 2010 at 8:13 AM

I wonder if Barry asked the Poles what they thought of the Soviet Union’s “patriotic” war? How did they (USSR) get off at Nuremberg?

50sGuy on June 28, 2010 at 8:16 AM

Mr. President, the decades that followed saw many troubles — too many troubles. But 65 years later, it’s still as simple as that. Our countries are more secure and the world is safer when the United States and Russia get on well together.

this is pure historical whitewash. “Get on well” —- first, is this even a 9.8 reading level? Second, wouldn’t a more appropriate characterization be something referencing a policy of mutually assured destruction and an arms race that the Soviet Union ultimately lost be more fitting for this speech. You are standing in front of a beaten foe, Mr. President, and you choose to shower him with unicorns and rainbows that obfuscate the reality of the past. A failure to “get on well” does not convince someone to build a fallout shelter—the threat of nuclear war and the march of communism in every hemisphere does. The Soviets were beaten by a man who’s shoes you are not fit to shi…..er,….tie.

ted c on June 28, 2010 at 8:17 AM

Dr. Krauthammer was magnificent on this on the All Star FoxNews panel. Pointing out that Obama dismisses the Soviet invasion of Georgia as a child having a tantrum and Dr. K surmized the Soviets are so fabulously in love with us today because they can’t remember such a weak US leader.

Almost enough to forgive Dr. K for his analyses after each presidential debate. Almost.

Marcus on June 28, 2010 at 8:18 AM

And if we could have “gotten on” with that darling Hitler, we wouldn’t have had to fight that silly war in the first place and the world would have been such a more beautiful place.

29Victor on June 28, 2010 at 8:20 AM

As Khrushchev said, “We will bury you… in love and rose petals.”

Daggett on June 28, 2010 at 8:23 AM

**cue John Lennon**

All we are say…ing….is to (rewrite history to show that we) gave peace a chaaaaance….

ted c on June 28, 2010 at 8:23 AM

Off Topic: foxnews.com is reporting the Sen. Robert Byrd is dead. May he rest in peace.

29Victor on June 28, 2010 at 8:24 AM

Obama conveniently omits the little factoid that the Soviet Union was perfectly happy to make a deal with Nazi Germany to carve up eastern Europe between them, and only joined forces with the Allies after Hitler invaded the Soviet Union.

ProfessorMiao on June 28, 2010 at 8:25 AM

Ev’rybody’s talkin’ ’bout
Bagism, Shagism, Dragism, Madism, Ragism, Tagism
This-ism, that-ism, ism ism ism
All we are saying is give peace a chance
All we are saying is give peace a chance

(C’mon)
Ev’rybody’s talkin’ ’bout
Minister, Sinister, Banisters and Canisters,
Bishops, Fishops, Rabbis, and Pop Eyes, Bye bye, Bye byes
All we are saying is give peace a chance
All we are saying is give peace a chance

(Let me tell you now)
Ev’rybody’s talkin’ ’bout
Revolution, Evolution, Masturbation, Flagellation, Regulation,
Integrations, mediations, United Nations, congratulations
All we are saying is give peace a chance
All we are saying is give peace a chance

Ev’rybody’s talkin’ ’bout
John and Yoko, Timmy Leary, Rosemary,
Tommy Smothers, Bobby Dylan, Tommy Cooper,
Derek Taylor, Norman Mailer, Alan Ginsberg, Hare Krishna
Hare Hare Krishna
All we are saying is give peace a chance
All we are saying is give peace a chance

(Repeat ’til the tape runs out)

**this speech was John Lennon embodied in foreign policy**

ted c on June 28, 2010 at 8:26 AM

ObaMao needs to be schooled in the real story of Soviet aggression, starting with an unwhitewashed biography of Stalin.

onlineanalyst on June 28, 2010 at 8:26 AM

Ev’rybody’s talkin’ ’bout
Bagism, Shagism, Dragism, Madism, Ragism, Tagism
This-ism, that-ism, ism ism ism
All we are saying is give peace a chance
All we are saying is give peace a chance

(C’mon)
Ev’rybody’s talkin’ ’bout
Minister, Sinister, Banisters and Canisters,
Bishops, Fishops, Rabbis, and Pop Eyes, Bye bye, Bye byes
All we are saying is give peace a chance
All we are saying is give peace a chance

(Let me tell you now)
Ev’rybody’s talkin’ ’bout
**censored**
Integrations, mediations, United Nations, congratulations
All we are saying is give peace a chance
All we are saying is give peace a chance

Ev’rybody’s talkin’ ’bout
John and Yoko, Timmy Leary, Rosemary,
Tommy Smothers, Bobby Dylan, Tommy Cooper,
Derek Taylor, Norman Mailer, Alan Ginsberg, Hare Krishna
Hare Hare Krishna
All we are saying is give peace a chance
All we are saying is give peace a chance
(Repeat ’til the tape runs out)

**this speech can be labeled John Lennon diplomacy**

ted c on June 28, 2010 at 8:27 AM

And ObaMao’s calling WWII the Great Patriotic War, Russia’s preferred linguistic trick, smacks of the limited understanding of history while at the same time elevating a despotic regime that had little regard for its own people.

onlineanalyst on June 28, 2010 at 8:31 AM

Professormiao: dear leader probably wasn’t taught that by his lib profs

cmsinaz on June 28, 2010 at 8:33 AM

Yeah, US and Russian forces met in Germany.

Then the Red Army literally RAPED the city of Berlin.

DavidM on June 28, 2010 at 8:34 AM

Off Topic: foxnews.com is reporting the Sen. Robert Byrd is dead. May he rest in peace.

29Victor on June 28, 2010 at 8:24 AM

Yeah, 29Vic, I heard that on the way out the door. RIP Senator, prayers to the family.

92 years old. Amazing.

hawkdriver on June 28, 2010 at 8:35 AM

“What’s all this talk about carving up Europe the Jew’s homeland? Welcome back” -HT

Electrongod on June 28, 2010 at 8:35 AM

Another reason to suspect that our Dear Leader is not a citizen of this country OR of this planet! Clueless! #%!&**%#@!!!, and I was GOING to have a good day.

Thanks Ed!

donh525 on June 28, 2010 at 8:36 AM

You really think Obama doesn’t know how Eastern Europe worked?

LibTired on June 28, 2010 at 8:37 AM

History? I am history. Unprecedented history. I ran the perfect campaign. My Dad fought is World War II. And my grandfather served in WW II. Heck I served in WW II.

Don’t tell me about that history.

The Precedent,

Barack

antisocial on June 28, 2010 at 8:39 AM

I am convinced the left never got over their setback from the Cold war.

rob verdi on June 28, 2010 at 8:39 AM

So I included the Croats twice. Oh well.

steveegg on June 28, 2010 at 8:40 AM

You really think Obama doesn’t know how Eastern Europe worked?

LibTired on June 28, 2010 at 8:37 AM

I think, he thinks, it worked just fine.

donh525 on June 28, 2010 at 8:40 AM

Why are these people who report things to Øbummer always nameless? He continually attributes significant (to him) quotes without any attribution, background, context or name. It sounds apocryphal and made up of a fertile imagination.

ExpressoBold on June 28, 2010 at 8:41 AM

Then the Red Army literally RAPED the city of Berlin.

DavidM on June 28, 2010 at 8:34 AM

I met an older woman at the Casino one night that was 10 years old when the Russians got to Berlin. Her mother kept her and her sister locked up for nearly four months while she went out and “earned” enough food to keep them all alive. She was telling me some horror stories that night. Her father had been killed in the fighting. Luckily they got out before the wall got put up.

Johnnyreb on June 28, 2010 at 8:41 AM

29Victor on June 28, 2010 at 8:24 AM

I am sure Mr. Morrissey is writing a beautiful tribute for Sen. Byrd.

Cindy Munford on June 28, 2010 at 8:42 AM

I think the Poles, Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians, Hungarians, Slavs, Croats, Bosnians, Romanians and Croats (among others) might have a second opinion on that.

And Croats, too. :)
Seriously, though, this Pres is a worldwide embarrassment. It’s very sad that he can’t see Medvedev & Putin laughing uproariously behind his back.

KS Rex on June 28, 2010 at 8:43 AM

The evolution of U.S.-Soviet relations up to the Cold War cannot be understood without a brief background on the effect of the Second World War. Soviet leaders had presented the Soviet Union as an alternative to, and an enemy of, the liberal democratic Western countries in the 1920s and 1930s. Western leaders obliged this view by demonizing the new Soviet republics. The rise of Hitler did not soften this view, particularly when the Soviet leader, Joseph Stalin, signed a non-aggression pact with Germany in 1939. In accordance with this pact, the Soviet Union did not respond to the German invasion of Poland, the borders of which Germany and Russia had quarreled for decades.

ted c on June 28, 2010 at 8:43 AM

To expand Mencken’s quote:

Those who can, do.
Those who can’t, teach.
Those who can’t teach, administrate.
Those who can’t administrate, go into politics.

Kinda sums up Obama, doesn’t it?

sclemens on June 28, 2010 at 8:43 AM

Obama’s eulogy of Sheets Bird will provide weeks of Obamateurism material…

Caper29 on June 28, 2010 at 8:43 AM

and the Afghans as well…

ted c on June 28, 2010 at 8:12 AM

I did say “among others” :-)

I wonder how the Berlin Blockade would have turned out had FDR not died in 1945.

steveegg on June 28, 2010 at 8:43 AM

Duh! Bird = Byrd.

Caper29 on June 28, 2010 at 8:44 AM

I am sure Mr. Morrissey is writing a beautiful tribute for Sen. Byrd.

Cindy Munford on June 28, 2010 at 8:42 AM

A lesson to be learned. Term limits. I am saddened by the loss but it does come at a bad time for the Dems.

Electrongod on June 28, 2010 at 8:48 AM

A major change in the cold war took place in 1985. That is when Mikhail Gorbachev became leader of the Soviet Union. Gorbachev held four meetings with President Ronald Reagan. He withdrew Soviet forces from Afghanistan. And he signed an agreement with the United States to destroy all intermediate range nuclear force [INF] missiles and short-range [SRINF] missiles.

By 1989 there was widespread unrest in Eastern Europe. Gorbachev did not intervene as these countries cut their ties with the Soviet Union. In less than a year, East and West Germany became one nation again. A few months after that, the Warsaw Pact was dissolved.

November 9, 1989, will be remembered as one of the great moments of German history. On that day, the dreadful Berlin Wall, which for twenty-eight years had been the symbol of German division, cutting through the heart of the old capital city, was unexpectedly opened by GDR border police. In joyful disbelief, Germans from both sides climbed up on the Wall, which had been called “the ugliest edifice in the world.” They embraced each other and sang and danced in the streets. Some began chiseling away chips of the Wall as if to have a personal hand in tearing it down, or at least to carry away a piece of German history. On December 22, the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin was opened for pedestrian traffic.

Perhaps the most central conflict of the Cold War, probably the defining conflict, was the division of Germany. Thus, arguably, 09 November 1989 marked the end of the Cold War, as it marked the effective end of the division of Germany between east and west.

The DoD Cold War Recognition Certificate was approved for service during the “Cold War era” from 02 September 1945 to 26 December 1991. By this account, after 45 years of protracted conflict and constant tension, the Cold War ended with the collapse of the Soviet Union. This is, upon reflection, a rather tendentious reading of history, since it takes the central conflict of the Cold War to have been the struggle between the two competing social systems, which could only end with one or the other being consigned to the ash heap of history.

President Bush presented the Medal of Freedom award to former President Ronald Reagan at a ceremony in the East Room on January 13, 1993. President Bush said that Rreagan ” … helped make ours not only a safer but far better world in which to live. And you yourself said it best. In fact, you saw it coming. We recall your stirring words to the British Parliament. Here were the words: “the march of freedom and democracy . . . will leave Marxist-Leninism on the ashheap of history.” Few people believe more in liberty’s inevitable triumph than Ronald Reagan. None, none was more a prophet in his time. Ronald Reagan rebuilt our military; not only that, he restored its morale.”

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/cold_war.htm

ted c on June 28, 2010 at 8:49 AM

Am reminded of what happened to a President during the Cold War when he forgot that the Poles were being dominated by the Soviets. And yet I somehow doubt the MSM will give Obama the Ford treatment….

apostic on June 28, 2010 at 8:50 AM

Then the Red Army literally RAPED the city of Berlin.

DavidM on June 28, 2010 at 8:34 AM

Also Vienna. The Russians put up a statue of a Russian soldier, which the locals renamed “The Unknown Rapist.”

I didn’t think I could get still more disgusted with Obama, but apparently he has not yet reached the bottom. Disgusting. He should read Solzhenitsyn’s Gulag Archipelago — for tips, if nothing else.

jwolf on June 28, 2010 at 8:52 AM

all this talk of history. how ignorant Obama is of history. Not correct!!!! To the One…

he who controls the present controls the past
he who controls the past controls the future
The past is alterable. The past has has never been altered.
The past only exists in the human mind.
the human mind is infinately maleable.

lm10001 on June 28, 2010 at 8:52 AM

The One has a soft spot in his heart for anything Marxist…

albill on June 28, 2010 at 8:56 AM

Electrongod on June 28, 2010 at 8:48 AM

I have a soft spot for older folks (careening in that direction). We always have the option of terms as a constituency, isn’t it odd that we don’t use them very often?

Cindy Munford on June 28, 2010 at 8:57 AM

The decay of the Soviet experiment should come as no surprise to us. Wherever the comparisons have been made between free and closed societies – West Germany and East Germany, Austria and Czechoslovakia, Malaysia and Vietnam – it is the democratic countries what are prosperous and responsive to the needs of their people. And one of the simple but overwhelming facts of our time is this: Of all the millions of refugees we’ve seen in the modern world, their flight is always away from, not toward the *world. Today on the NATO line, our military forces face east to prevent a possible invasion. On the other side of the line, the Soviet forces also face east to prevent their people from leaving.

The hard evidence of total!tarian rule has caused in mankind an uprising of the intellect and will. Whether it is the growth of the new schools of economics in America or England or the appearance of the so-called new philosophers in France, there is one unifying thread running through the intellectual work of these groups – rejection of the arbitrary power of the state, the refusal to subordinate the rights of the individual to the superstate, the realization that collectivism stifles all the best human impulses.

Since the exodus from Egypt, historians have written of those who sacrificed and struggled for freedom – the stand at Thermopylae, the revolt of Spartacus, the storming of the Bastille, the Warsaw uprising in World War II. More recently we’ve seen evidence of this same human impulse in one of the developing nations in Central America. For months and months the world news media covered the fighting in El Salvador. Day after day we were treated to stories and film slanted toward the brave freedom-fighters battling oppressive government forces in behalf of the silent, suffering people of that tortured country.

ted c on June 28, 2010 at 8:57 AM

Ah yes, as I reflect I am remembering decades of free travel out of East Berlin, East Germany, the former USSR, Cuba and China. The Sino-Soviet bloc was only an economic agreement the gulags were only re-education camps.

ExpressoBold on June 28, 2010 at 9:03 AM

I am sure Mr. Morrissey is writing a beautiful tribute for Sen. Byrd.

Cindy Munford on June 28, 2010 at 8:42 AM

Be sure to mention how good he looked in white, flowing robes. Sorry, I keep forgetting that, like with Senator Kennedy, we must never speak truth of the dead.

Extrafishy on June 28, 2010 at 9:04 AM

Everybody knows that the Berlin Airlift was done with mirrors and the Berlin Wall was orchestrated by Karl Rove (after the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor) and Solzhenitsyn wrote happy travel books about Siberia. JFL made it all up about those missiles in Kewber. Sakharov was never exiled and so forth. Lech Walesa didn’t organize a strike in Gdansk. That Korean Air Lines jet wasn’t shot down from Sakhalin Island, The Soviets never gave the Syrian Air Force those MiG-25 Foxbats the Israeli Air Force engaged in and splashed in combat. Plus, Peanut Carter was too busy re-checking the White House Christmas tennis court schedule and his fine selection of fireside-chat cardigans to notice Brezhnev had invaded, er, Afghanner-stan. Reagan kept the real secret that the airfield the commies were building in Grenada wasn’t for long range bombers but for tourists.

Just ask Revrum’ Wrong for all the details about which he carefully mentored High Chin Mao. Meanwhile, Hahvahd has more explaining to do about how this clown got in.

viking01 on June 28, 2010 at 9:09 AM

Great cites and links, ted c.

onlineanalyst on June 28, 2010 at 9:11 AM

And let’s not forget that ObaMao was conspicuously absent during the anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall.

onlineanalyst on June 28, 2010 at 9:13 AM

Extrafishy on June 28, 2010 at 9:04 AM

Sen. Byrd, Sen. Thurmond and Sen. Helms were men of their time, all of them grew but only Sen. Byrd was credited with any transformation.

Cindy Munford on June 28, 2010 at 9:14 AM

And Croats, too. :)

Seriously, though, this Pres is a worldwide embarrassment. It’s very sad that he can’t see Medvedev & Putin laughing uproariously behind his back.

KS Rex on June 28, 2010 at 8:43 AM

So I happen to like the Croats.

steveegg on June 28, 2010 at 9:16 AM

History?

Never heard of it… What is this “history” you speak of?

franksalterego on June 28, 2010 at 9:19 AM

…the Second World War —- the Great Patriotic War in which the Russian people suffered and sacrificed so much….

As Rush mentioned last week, WWII is only called the “Great Patriotic War” by Stalinists. He coined the term after Hitler betrayed the Soviet Union and their alliance by invading Russia. That should be the Obamateurism of the Day.

DINORight on June 28, 2010 at 9:19 AM

Well, let’s see now… He doesn’t understand the importance of that National Prayer Breakfast (he cancelled it, but found time to pray with Muslims); He doesn’t understand the importance of visiting Arlington on Memorial Day; He doesn’t seem to understand the fundamental philosophy enscribed in our Constitution; He referred to us as a Muslim nation; He has no understanding of the calamitous impact of spending money you don’t have. What reason would we have to expect him to understand American History? Look, I don’t know where he was born. But I do know he is not an American in word or deed.

Crusader Rabbit on June 28, 2010 at 9:23 AM

Obama’s giving a shout out to all those progressive communists serving in our government since the end of WWII.

eigafan on June 28, 2010 at 9:24 AM

To your typical garden variety Democrat, the only good thing about history is how much of it can be rewritten.

pilamaye on June 28, 2010 at 9:24 AM

I think you left out the Czechs, btw. Don’t be so hard on the Boy Blunder. Remember that he actually knows virtually nothing, other than how to read a teleprompter with his chin in the air. It’s not his fault that his writers are woefully ignorant.

Henry Bowman on June 28, 2010 at 9:30 AM

The only people who insist on clinging to the idea of moral relativism between the Soviets and the Americans and that the big problem was a simple dislike between the two nations are simply simpletons themselves.

True, but the MSM will never mention Barry’s shocking ignorance, so most voters will remain blissfully unaware of what a dangerously ill-informed fool currently occupies the Oval Office.

AZCoyote on June 28, 2010 at 9:35 AM

Simply don’t know much about history anything.

Fixed

NoFanofLibs on June 28, 2010 at 9:43 AM

Never let the truth get in the way of a good story.

Since he didn’t have to go through the good old “duck and cover” days of the Cuban missle crisis, I guess the slate is clean.

It was pretty darn terrifying to me as a child, to think the world was close to coming to an end.

doofus

tru2tx on June 28, 2010 at 9:45 AM

Hey, don’t be so hard on him. Slaughter of millions is simply a lifestyle choice.

mr.blacksheep on June 28, 2010 at 9:53 AM

Obama’s eulogy of Sheets Bird will provide weeks of Obamateurism material…

Caper29 on June 28, 2010 at 8:43 AM

Will it be delivered from the golf course?

Kafir on June 28, 2010 at 9:54 AM

The only people who insist on clinging to the idea of moral relativism between the Soviets and the Americans and that the big problem was a simple dislike between the two nations are simply simpletons themselves.

The simpletons are in charge now.

chemman on June 28, 2010 at 9:55 AM

The reason that Russia and the US get along as well as we do now is because Russia is no longer the Soviet Union, which collapsed when the US helped Eastern Europe finally free itself from Soviet tyranny by bankrupting the tyrants at the top.

Um, not exactly. Though that is a popular view here, what really happened is that Russia shed itself of an impossible burden. Still the 800 pound gorrilla, Russia can dictate prices it will pay for goods produced in the former Soviet satellites without bearing any responsibility for the wellbeing of their populations. The KGB lives on under new names.

EconomicNeocon on June 28, 2010 at 10:03 AM

Uh, so how has BO’s appeasement worked so far?

>Iran persecuted free speech and is months from nuclear bomb
>Russian invasion into Georgia
>European allies on the verge of total financial collapse
>US on the verge of total financial collapse
>US disdain for Israel encouraging Hamas to continue terrorism
>Borders unprotected and prosecuting anyone attempting to protect the borders

What have I missed so far?

jbh45 on June 28, 2010 at 10:03 AM

I think the Poles, Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians, Hungarians, Slavs, Croats, Bosnians, Romanians and Croats (among others) might have a second opinion on that.

Ummm, if you’re going to criticize the One’s ignorance of history, you should choose a more knowledge source. First of all, Slavs as a group encompasses people of all Slavic nations, from the Poles to the Bulgarians. I’m assuming that the author actually meant to say either Slovaks or Serbs. Second, Yugoslavia was not under Soviet domination.

year_of_the_dingo on June 28, 2010 at 10:29 AM

‘If there is a fine, splendid world in the future, it will largely be because the United States and Russia get on well together. If it is in trouble, it will be because they don’t get on well. It’s as simple as that.’

Was the reporter Walter Duranty?

andycanuck on June 28, 2010 at 10:37 AM

This is Obama’s history. He lives in the amputated present tense incurious as to facts and real events.

Mojave Mark on June 28, 2010 at 10:53 AM

The Wall Street Journal article summed it up as well as I’ve seen in the article “An alien in the White House.” Of all of the evil thing we know Obama to be, American is not one. Americans instinctively know in their gut that this guy in not one of us! We wonder who the hell he really is?

Marco on June 28, 2010 at 11:12 AM

“Those were the same hopes of another generation of Americans and Russians — the generation that stood together as allies in the Second World War —- the Great Patriotic War in which the Russian people suffered and sacrificed so much. We recently marked the 65th anniversary of our shared victory in that war, including that historic moment when American and Soviet troops came together in friendship at the Elbe River in Germany.”

.
Actually, the “Great Patriotic War” is a Russian term, “not generally used outside the former Soviet Union”.

“The term Great Patriotic War is used in Russia and some other states of the former Soviet Union to describe the portion of World War II from June 22, 1941, to May 9, 1945, against Nazi Germany and its allies in the Eastern Front.
There is a difference between this phrase and World War II or the Second World War, as the Russian term denotes only the war between Germany and its European allies, and the Soviet Union.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Patriotic_War_(term)
(I know, I know. It’s Wikipedia. But Glenn Beck talked about this same subject a couple of weeks ago, and Wikipedia is actually pretty good on some stuff, like this.)

mrt721 on June 28, 2010 at 11:24 AM

I think the Poles, Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians, Hungarians, Slavs, Croats, Bosnians, Romanians and Croats (among others) might have a second opinion on that.

Those are just the ‘little people’ in Obama’s minds (for that matter, academia type and elitists type).

Therefore, they don’t count.

Sir Napsalot on June 28, 2010 at 11:27 AM

The only people who insist on clinging to the idea of moral relativism between the Soviets and the Americans and that the big problem was a simple dislike between the two nations are simply simpletons themselves.

Thank YOU, Ed.

I’d like to send him to live in Burma, per force, for about two years, without knowing that he can return.

What a complete FOOL is our president. The people who voted for him should all suffer terrible economic consequences for their idiocy. His stupidity and arrogance must be punished.

Schadenfreude on June 28, 2010 at 12:13 PM

Americans instinctively know in their gut that this guy in not one of us! We wonder who the hell he really is?

Marco on June 28, 2010 at 11:12 AM

Narutoboy will call you a racist and a hick in 3, 2, 1…

Schadenfreude on June 28, 2010 at 12:17 PM

The history is relatively simple. The Soviet Union was communist, OK? Got that part?Communism is all about domination. They weren’t able to accomplish that before Hitler attacked them in 1941 which had the same effect on them as Pearl Harbor had on us – it spurred industrialization. Shortly after our declaration of war on Japan, Germany declared war on us which made the US and the Soviet Union de facto allies. We needed the Soviet Union because we did not have the means to fight a two-ocean war. We supported the Soviet Union for two main reasons: One, we need them to weaken Germany and, two, the Roosevelt administration (Venona files)had several Soviet sympathizers if not outright communists in it.
After a rough start and help from us, the Soviets began beatingthe hell out of the German forces
at great human cost but that goes with communism. When the Soviet Union passed through a country on their way to Berlin, they stayed. The meeting at the Elbe with the US 69th Division was a atter of show. As a matter of facts the Soviets were trying to kill as many Germans as they could before they got across the line of military demarcation. Friendship had nothing to do with the meeting of forces. Then defeat of Germany and slicing up of the country into sectors and a little friendly incident called the Berlin Airlift – the beginning of the Cold War, in essence. Friendship? Being friendly with the Soviet Union or Russia is like being friendly with a crocodile – you just never know why it’s smiling.

LarryG on June 28, 2010 at 12:20 PM

But..Il Douche has such a boggling intellect..how can he be a simpleton…?

FYI: the US forces ‘met’ the Soviets at the Elbe River to prevent them from getting into Denmark and incorporating the Danes into the USSR’s sphere of influence (e.g., the Eastern Block).

Dick Turpin on June 28, 2010 at 12:24 PM

Marco, indeed

A great part of America now understands that this president’s sense of identification lies elsewhere, and is in profound ways unlike theirs. He is hard put to sound convincingly like the leader of the nation, because he is, at heart and by instinct, the voice mainly of his ideological class. He is the alien in the White House, a matter having nothing to do with delusions about his birthplace cherished by the demented fringe.

Schadenfreude on June 28, 2010 at 12:30 PM

No wonder he sent Churchill’s bust back.

May he get his nose stuck, for eternity, in the ars pf the “global community”, of which he fancies himself the emperor. May he never be able to get it out.

Schadenfreude on June 28, 2010 at 12:36 PM

I think the Poles, Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians, Hungarians, Slavs, Bosnians, Romanians and Croats (among others) might have a second opinion on that.
and the Afghans as well…

ted c on June 28, 2010 at 8:12 AM

and don’t forget the Czechs, Slovaks, East Germans and Bulgarians. They were part of the Warsaw Pact too; Albania and Yugoslavia were not.

Albania was sort of a low-rent version of North Korea. Probably because it’s all Muslims in that country.

CatchAll on June 28, 2010 at 1:20 PM

Obama say’s he wants to end the “cycle of boom to bust”.

I think the old USSR actually did that.

DSchoen on June 28, 2010 at 2:19 PM

So who was the “reporter” he quotes? Walter Duranty?

Hucklebuck on June 28, 2010 at 3:13 PM

and don’t forget the Czechs, Slovaks, East Germans and Bulgarians. They were part of the Warsaw Pact too; Albania and Yugoslavia were not.

Albania was sort of a low-rent version of North Korea. Probably because it’s all Muslims in that country.

CatchAll on June 28, 2010 at 1:20 PM

Point noted (do note I said (among others). Somehow, I don’t think Josip Tito would have risen to power in Yugoslavia without Stalin’s support, even though they split early.

steveegg on June 28, 2010 at 6:55 PM

So who was the “reporter” he quotes? Walter Duranty?

Hucklebuck on June 28, 2010 at 3:13 PM

Probably.

steveegg on June 28, 2010 at 6:55 PM

When Russia liberated the prison camps of the Germans over twenty thousand US prisoners vanished into the Russian domain. Thanks Truman and Eisenhower for that over sight. We did NOTHING!

mixplix on June 28, 2010 at 9:08 PM

Certainly the Georgians have second thoughts. They’ve ripped down a Stalin statue while Virginia unveils a Stalin bust. Methinks the Georgians got it right. They lived under the Communist thumb long enough to be certain that it’s nothing like the “oppressive thumb” of the US.

{^_^}

herself on June 29, 2010 at 3:22 AM