Key Dem Rep says immigration reform doesn’t have the votes this year

posted at 2:00 pm on June 26, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

With Democrats looking down the barrel of electoral disaster in the approaching midterms thanks to their obsession with a deeply unpopular health care bill instead of the economy, it should not surprise anyone that they have little stomach for pushing yet another unpopular measure in the short time  still left for their majority.  Rep. Luis Gutierrez let the cat out of the bag Thursday by acknowledging that the Democrats’ 77-seat majority in the House wouldn’t be enough to pass comprehensive immigration reform this year.   The next Congress will look even worse:

A leading proponent of comprehensive immigration reform admitted Thursday that “there are an insufficient number of Democratic votes” to pass a bill this year.

Rep. Luis Gutierrez’s (D-Ill.) comments are significant because he has aggressively pushed President Barack Obama to pass immigration reform during this Congress.

The Illinois Democrat appeared at a press conference Thursday to tout that 102 lawmakers — all Democrats — have signed on to his reform measure.

“There are an insufficient number of Democratic votes to pass this in the Senate or in the House. I’ve said it. There are an insufficient number. We are 102 strong, we are 102 commitment, but we are insufficient,” Gutierrez said.

The prospects for comprehensive immigration reform in the next Congress are not rosy either. There will likely be fewer Democrats in both chambers, and some Republicans who previously backed a guest-worker program have shifted their positions. And there are many centrist House Democrats who have made it clear they will not support any bill that could be criticized as an “amnesty” measure.

In 2009, Obama had planned to tackle immigration as his third big project, after ObamaCare and ObamaCap.   Unfortunately, the health-care debate took far longer than Democrats planned, thanks in large part to an eruption of voter anger last summer over the sudden attempt to expand government control of the US health care system.  The cap-and-trade bill is still languishing in the Senate after passing the House almost exactly a year ago, and is also so unpopular in the swing states of the Coal and Rust Belts that Democrats are just as reluctant to address it.

In fact, immigration reform may have become even more toxic than ObamaCap, after the state of Arizona radically reframed the issue — thanks in large part to Barack Obama himself.  As soon as Arizona took the non-extraordinary step of requiring its law-enforcement agencies to check immigration status on those already detained for other purposes — a process that the federal government trains state and local police to perform — Obama wasted no time in scolding Arizona for demanding border security and immigration enforcement.  That immediately backfired, as large majorities of people in states across the nation not only supported Arizona but also similar laws for their own states.  The argument shifted from normalization to the ineptitude and outright dereliction of duty by the federal government on enforcement.

Under those circumstances, only Democrats with absolutely secure seats in the House will dare to back Obamnesty.  The fact that Gutierrez can only find 102 Democrats in the House to volunteer shows how badly the Democrats have botched their time in power, and how outside of the mainstream amnesty has become.


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Well, time for the little gold eo pen of this bho! Gotta get those votes for d’s!
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letget on June 26, 2010 at 2:02 PM

That’s an MFr that should drive clarification of our 14th amendment to the Supreme Court.

Speakup on June 26, 2010 at 2:04 PM

Congress tackling “immigration reform” before the feds seal the border is like crafting a new energy policy before even trying to “plug the %@#& hole!”

itsnotaboutme on June 26, 2010 at 2:04 PM

But they will pass it during the lame duck session after the November election.

taney71 on June 26, 2010 at 2:05 PM

ObamaCare and ObamaCap Obamnesty

love it….heh

cmsinaz on June 26, 2010 at 2:05 PM

They WILL have the votes easily if it’s the right kind of ‘reform’

ElRonaldo on June 26, 2010 at 2:05 PM

The lame duck congress after November is going to be exceedingly dangerous, and will be capable of anything.

Anything, up to and including the dissolution of the union.

Rebar on June 26, 2010 at 2:05 PM

Yeah. We heard this before. Health Care.

Narutoboy on June 26, 2010 at 2:05 PM

Obamnesty….very nice.
I wish this big mouthed crapmaster would join ‘his people’…in some third world sh*tbox…because he doesn’t represent AMERICAN CITIZENS in his district. Disgraceful.

HornetSting on June 26, 2010 at 2:05 PM

we may have suffered a temporary setback on Obamacare, but that fight knocked the Dems off the rails and they never got back on. Be proud of your efforts, everyone.

rob verdi on June 26, 2010 at 2:05 PM

not this year?…..I hear next year ain’t lookin’ any better either….

troof

ted c on June 26, 2010 at 2:06 PM

You reap what you sow.

Americans don’t like getting crapped on by Government Gone Wild.

fogw on June 26, 2010 at 2:08 PM

Start a massive campaign to convince the illegals to vote republican. “Prove” the dems just want to use them as slaves.

They’ll be gone before sundown.

Old eagle on June 26, 2010 at 2:08 PM

It’s not dead. It’s just resting. Pining for the the lame duck congress to put the final nails in the coffin of the Democratic Party.

SlaveDog on June 26, 2010 at 2:09 PM

But they will pass it during the lame duck session after the November election.

taney71 on June 26, 2010 at 2:05 PM

That might have been the case had Teddy not gone and died on them, but they only have 59 votes in the Senate.

txmomof6 on June 26, 2010 at 2:09 PM

… shows how badly the Democrats have botched their time in power….

are you listening GOP? don’t screw up when it’s our time again….please!

cmsinaz on June 26, 2010 at 2:10 PM

I don’t trust stories like this, or anything like the “Dems don’t have the votes to pass X…”

They didn’t have the votes for the stimulus, they didn’t have the votes for HCR, blah blah… And now it looks like they’re going to have a 6-week mad dog session after they get their asses handed to them in November (which I don’t for a minute think is a guarantee, no thanks to the hapless GOP establishment and MSM).

It’ll be scorched earth with these ratf*ers. Count on it.

Purple Fury on June 26, 2010 at 2:10 PM

USA USA USA!

El_Terrible on June 26, 2010 at 2:11 PM

Unsuccessful COngress?

Obamacare passed.

It’s the worst possible outcome for the country and it will never be undone.

That’s a Long term Democratic success story.

rickyricardo on June 26, 2010 at 2:13 PM

Obama doesn’t need no stinkin’ Congress!

SouthernGent on June 26, 2010 at 2:16 PM

That might have been the case had Teddy not gone and died on them, but they only have 59 votes in the Senate.

txmomof6 on June 26, 2010 at 2:09 PM

They wouldn’t get 59/59 for this crap. Not with another election coming up in 2012.

iurockhead on June 26, 2010 at 2:18 PM

But they will pass it during the lame duck session after the November election.

taney71 on June 26, 2010 at 2:05 PM

Right, or else Teh One will accomplish much the same effect through executive order.

petefrt on June 26, 2010 at 2:19 PM

I know this is OT and it is a little long–but I enjoyed it and I think y’all will too!! I found this comment on another site. I for one am in!!

We have seen the drumbeat of the seizure of the means of production by the state go on and on since January 2009. We have also seen our foreign policy functionally reversed, with our new enemies being those who have been our oldest allies, and our newest Paris Hiltonian “BFF’s” being the forces of totalitarianism, Islam, and anti-Semitism/anti-Christianity. Our economy has been deliberately trashed, with a recession that could be worked through by now being nurtured by the administration until it is on the edge of a full-blown depression. Indeed, once the elements of Taqqiya are removed from government statistics and they are quietly revised a quarter or so later to start to approach reality; we may already be there. GDP and Unemployment is especially subject to deliberate distortion, and this [Kuan Yin have mercy on us!] is officially the “Summer of Recovery” according to the regime.

There is a thread that one can follow, unless of course you are involved with the government controlled media or Academe.

It was the Democrats, who created and enshrined into law and regulatory procedure the concept that people who have no financial means to afford them under any circumstances, should be subsidized to buy their own homes. The risk was, with the oversight and approval of the Democrats in the regulatory agencies, packaged into investment instruments that were worthless but marketed worldwide by financial institutions that made up the bulk of the Democrats’ non-Union and non-Hollywood domestic donors. Goldman Sachs was a prime offender, and their personnel make up the bulk of Obama’s financial advisors.

The shortest path to getting out of economic collapse is to allow the fraud to be worked out of the economy. Our current economic policy has three legs:

a) Keep the financial bubble pumped up and keep the profits flowing to Obama’s donors at all costs out of the pockets of the taxpayer.

b) Stifle any thought of businesses expanding and hiring people by threats and actual increases in taxes and regulations on any productive efforts in the country. Simultaneously, do your best to ensure that energy and raw materials will NOT be available for any American commercial activity; both of which create an uncertainty about the future that paralyses economic activity.

Deliberately make sure that the country is constantly flooded with illegal cheap labor that crowds out any jobs that Americans could use to transition from their lost jobs to at least something with income to get them through hard times. Make sure that the illegal aliens are both functionally exempt from taxation and priority beneficiaries of government benefits at the expense of Americans to the point where government cannot afford to provide basic services for those legally here.

c) At every turn circumvent the established legal and financial process to seize private assets and convert entire industries from private endeavors operating to provide goods and services at a profit, to enterprises operating under the political control of the government; enhancing the power of the government and rewarding supporters of the regime.

There are more unaccountable “Czars” operating at this moment without any oversight by law or the Constitution than there were during the entire Romanoff Dynasty. The seizure of Chrysler and GM was done in contravention of over a century of established commercial and civil law concerning bankruptcy. Secured creditors lost everything, stockholders [owners] lost everything, and the government was able to seize those assets and take part of them and give the rest as a gift to the Unions, who in turn contribute vast sums of cash … to the regime. The power and funds of the government are then used illegally to attack those firms who are competition to government control of the market.

There is no legal or Constitutional authority for the Federal government to do any of this. This regime operates, not on the concept that the government is limited to doing only those things that the law and Constitution authorizes; but rather the concept that the government can do anything that it is not explicitly forbidden to do, and that such bans on activities can be ignored if they want to.

I am not a fan of British Petroleum/BP Corp. Contacts that I have in the oil industry, and those who are specialists in the field of offshore drilling whose work I have read are unanimous that BP is a slapdash organization that ignores safety and technical precautions as a matter of course. I have absolutely no problem with them being forced to pay for all the damages they have caused with the ongoing Macondo Field oil spill. That is up to and including the full value of all of their assets worldwide. And if criminal activity can be proved [and I think that it easily can] I have no personal problem with going William Wallace on the guilty, although Constitutionally that is unfortunately not possible.

That said, the fault does not all lie with BP. BP [a foreign corporation, incidentally] contributed more to the Obama campaign than they had ever contributed to any political campaign in their company’s history. Also, Obama’s White House Chief of Staff, Rahm Emmanual, lived for a time in free housing provided by BP.

The Macondo site was approved and drilled under the Obama administration. In Congressional testimony, the Mineral Management Services official who approved the process and permit admitted that he had not seen, demanded, or approved the mandated certified proof of the ability of BP to cut off the flow of oil in an emergency. Indeed, he testified that he had no idea that there was such a requirement in EPA/Department of the Interior regulations and that they had existed for decades.

The Macondo site, and the drilling vessel DEEPWATER HORIZON were given an award for safety and good practices by the MMS during the Obama administration. The problem is, that apparently that was awarded without benefit of the inspections of the site and its practices, or the records audit necessary to justify the award. You don’t need such details, apparently, when you have paid off the bosses of the people who are supposed to be regulating you.

Recent reports are that the first signs of severe trouble and leakage “down hole” were in February. If the Federal regulators were doing their job [remember, this whole thing was on the Democrats' watch] this could possibly have been shut down before they continued drilling through a compromised hole.

With all of that taken into account, there is still a huge problem. Buraq Hussein Obama personally extorted a $20 Billion dollar escrow account from BP, supposedly for damages. There is no doubt that this is but a drop in the bucket. The escrow account is administered by an Obama appointee, apparently not under the control of the normal Federal accounting process and Congressional oversight.

One has to ask, under what statutory or Constitutional authority does Buraq Obama have the power to a) extort $20 Billion from a private entity, and b) have his personal appointee administer it? If Congress had passed a law to that effect, or a court had so ruled; there would be no problem. Let the lawyers fight it out. But under what legal and Constitutional presidential power did he do this act? I know of no power other than under a declared state of national emergency that could allow this. And if we are being governed under emergency power decrees, without formal declaration of such; and the legal challenges that the Congress and the Courts are afforded under the statutes covering national emergencies are not being allowed …. Fiat justitia, ruat caelum.

As an additional touch of irony, Democrat Congressman Bart Stupak, Obama’s puppet on the seizure of the Health Care system, has suggested that the $20 Billion be diverted to funding that seizure. So the people of the Gulf may not get relief from BP’s acts because the money will have been stolen … by the government.

If investors and companies cannot depend on either the stability of the rule of law, or on regulations being applied fairly and equitably across all competitors; they are either not going to invest, create jobs, and create goods and services in this country; or they are going to join in the crooked system out of self preservation. In matters of the economy and business, we are now operating on a system of Baksheesh or Guanxi. What matters is who you pay off and how much, not the legal requirements.

It is not only a matter of business, although corruption, or rational fear of corruption is now endemic in any business subject to government oversight. I offer the current trial of former Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich where tapes of telephone conversations were recently played where the White House was negotiating the appointment of their choice of a Senator to replace Obama, and cabinet posts sold and $15 million dollars raised by Obama supporters in the business and investment world would be given to Blagojevich.

One expects an outcome of the Blagojevich trial that mirrors one during the Democrat reign in Tammany Hall in New York; where a man was found guilty of paying a bribe to a politician, while the politician was found not guilty of receiving the bribe. In this case the White House will be found not guilty of a crime in trying to buy a Federal office, while Blagojevich will be found guilty of selling it. At least as long as this regime is in power.

We do not know if there will be elections in November. As is a constant subject of conversation here, the Democrats are acting as if they are guaranteed power in perpetuity regardless of anything called an election. Or the election may well already be rigged.

What I would like to offer is a basis for discussion of what should be done in the <50% chance that free, fair, and honest elections are held. In such a case, it seems likely that the House will change hands. It is possible, but far less likely, that the Senate will change hands. While the Institutional leadership of the Republican Party will be lusting for a return to their get-along-go-along free spending ways of pre-2006; one can hope that there would be a sufficient segment of the next Congress which is composed of Patriots. There is, by the way, no reasonable hope that a veto-proof majority will be gained. That needs to be factored in.

So let us assume that the Democrats lose the House, and are hanging on by a thread in the Senate. Senate Rules are more or less inflexible. Ah, but the House.

Each Congress organizes itself at the beginning. Each Speaker determines the rights, privileges, and powers of the Minority party; allotting numbers of Minority committee seats, staffing, offices, and especially whether they will be allowed to take part in the committee mark-ups of the bills. When Democrats are in control, Republicans are heavily restricted; and currently are not allowed to be present when bills are marked up in committee, or to offer amendments. When the Republicans took over in 1995, they offered a much larger role to the Democrats than a Minority had ever been allowed in the name of comity. Democrats were just barely junior partners in legislation. When the Democrats took over in 2007, Nancy Pelosi re-imposed the restrictions on the Minority, and even made them worse.

I. When the House of Representatives reorganizes itself upon the swearing in of the new Congress; the Republican Speaker of the House shall impose the exact same limitations on the power and function of the Democrat Minority as the Democrats are currently imposing on the Republicans; recognizing that the Democrats have offered neither comity, nor collegiality, nor equity in the conduct of the nation's business, and deserve the same treatment as they have offered. No input into marking up bills, no amendments, damned small staffs, and if possible offices somewhere in Chesapeake Bay.

II. The first bill offered and considered by the House in the new Congress should be something along the line of this:

With the exception of specific funding bills for which funds have already been appropriated and expended as of the date of the swearing in of this Congress, and with the exception of the appropriations bills for the maintenance and operation of the structure of the United States government passed by the 111th Congress to operate the government during the fiscal year beginning October 2010, and with the exception of bills funding the operation of the United States Armed Forces; all legislation passed by the 111th Congress is hereby suspended pending review and final legislative action on possible acceptance, amendment or repeal. [Note that given the rules, that final action can be delayed until the end of the Session of Congress. Further, that it is well within the purview of the House, where all spending bills must originate, to refuse to fund any programs that they decide deserves either amendment before such funding occurs, or repeal.]

III. The second bill, offered alongside the first, considered by the House should be along these lines:

The House shall create a Special Select Committee consisting of the Senior Members of all permanent House Committees; charged with reviewing in as timely a manner as possible all suspended legislation from the 111th Congress and recommending acceptance and funding, repeal, or amendments. Each recommendation will be forwarded to the appropriate permanent House Committee(s) for drafting of appropriate legislation and immediate action.

IV. The Republican Senate leadership will, as far as practicable, act to support the suspension and review process.

V. The leadership of the House will authorize investigations of specific criminal acts and ethical violations by government officials.

Will this cause all 9 of the Circles of Hades to break out in DC? Absolutely. Will the government-controlled media have litters of kittens, rhinosceri, and hippogriffs? Absolutely. Will the White House veto everything it can? Surely. And we will not be able to over-ride. But so long as we are fighting the battle they will not be able to do worse to the country and we can push back. Will it draw the lines and put the enemy on the defensive? Best shot at it that I know of …. short of ruat caelum.

We are a functional modern Committee of Correspondence. I offer this as a proposed course of action for discussion and dissemination, including to Patriots and candidates; with the hope that there can be a significant overlap in the two groups.

Subotai Bahadur

stacy on June 26, 2010 at 2:20 PM

“this year”

Their principles are showing ….

Sleep with both eyes open or vote them all out. Your choice.

Dusty on June 26, 2010 at 2:21 PM

Rep. Luis Gutierrez was at one time a Chicago alderman.

Which means that any day now, expect him to be under indictment for something he did way back when that has finally caught up with him.

pilamaye on June 26, 2010 at 2:23 PM

Dangerous lame duck session? Ha. McCain is coming back and Lindsy Graham is still there.

BowHuntingTexas on June 26, 2010 at 2:24 PM

The illusion is beginning to fade, and the carnival barkers are having difficulty drawing a crowd willing to pay a nickel to see the bearded lady.

Skandia Recluse on June 26, 2010 at 2:26 PM

Yeah, and after Scott Brown was elected, Dems said they accepted that we didn’t want their stinking health care reform bill.

Whenever you hear something like this, be aware that it’s another ploy in the overall relentless Democrat strategy for seizing more and more power.

Nancy Pelosi was dead serious when she talked about parachuting over walls set up by the Constitution and/or the will of the people. And now NPR is backing up the Dems by referring to the “tyranny of the constituency.”

We are truly on the edge of a very yucky “1984″ scenario.

disa on June 26, 2010 at 2:26 PM

Well, time for the little gold eo pen of this bho! Gotta get those votes for d’s!
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letget on June 26, 2010 at 2:02 PM

I don’t think an Executive Order can grant citizenship. The President has the power to execute the laws that Congress writes, not ones that he writes. He can pardon people of past crimes, but cannot pardon them of future crimes in perpetuity. The Citizenship Clause of the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution determines citizenship, not the President.

txmomof6 on June 26, 2010 at 2:29 PM

Neither did Health Care Reform but somehow it passed.

Tommy_G on June 26, 2010 at 2:39 PM

Translation there are not enough fools in congress now that are not afraid of being thrown out of office to give amnesty to millions of law breakers.

thmcbb on June 26, 2010 at 2:40 PM

txmomof6,
I hope you are right. I do not think this bho gives a flit about the Constitution because of all the things he is doing to our Republic. He does not care about anything or anybody but him!
L

letget on June 26, 2010 at 2:41 PM

[txmomof6 on June 26, 2010 at 2:29 PM]

Spot on.

Dusty on June 26, 2010 at 2:42 PM

Yeah. We heard this before. Health Care.

Narutoboy on June 26, 2010 at 2:05 PM

Precisely. I don’t believe a word out of these people’s mouths.

Missy on June 26, 2010 at 2:42 PM

I think of this entire immigration debate being not about immigration per se but about power and control. It’s really an “aborted Democrat replacement” act that they want to get passed. After decades of killing their own children liberals have realized that there are consequences and that their perennial power in now at risk.

Mojave Mark on June 26, 2010 at 2:42 PM

txmomof6 on June 26, 2010 at 2:09 PM

It looks like McShamnesty has pulled the wool over the eyes of enough people out here in Arizona to get elected again. Once elected he’ll return to his old self and would be their 60th vote.

chemman on June 26, 2010 at 2:43 PM

Here is a Helen Thomas for you, Mr. Barack—–Go to Kenya and live with your brother.

mobydutch on June 26, 2010 at 2:43 PM

I think that as implausible as it seems now, and much to the dismay of conservatives, the 111th congress may yet turn out to be one the most legislatively productive in recent history. Really.

Many sitting Dhim’s know that their days are numbered, so in a last gasp effort to retain their seats nothing much will happen between here and Novemeber. But as Reid, Pelosi and the endorsement of BHO makes clear, they have no such qualms in the lame-duck session after. So far only Crap & Tax has been mentioned, but expect a mad fury of Dhimmi goals to be enacted running the gamut from Cyber Security/Control to Amnesty. What ever votes they cannot cajole with bribes of positions that arguably pay more than they get now in any of the agencies of our ever expanding Gov’t of which there are 118 in just HHS alone, as we we have seen with ObamaCare the “nuclear option” reconciliation route has already been established.

Having lost their seats these pols will start to look to their futures and Team ‘O’ is sitting on a huge pile of carrots to offer. You may think that many of these spots will have a short shelf life as incoming Rep’s will start to dismantle the Dhimmi agenda starting in the 112th congress and picking up steam with the changing of the guard in the Oval in ’12.

I hate to break it to you folks, we will not attain a super-majority in either house, so BHO will casually veto any such actions that come across his desk. And our hopes of taking the Oval in ’12 go out the door with passage of amnesty. In ’08 Obama bested McCain by 9.5 million votes, accrding to Gov’t estimates there are 12-20 million illegals in the country. The last estimate when amnesty was granted in ’86 was 1.3 million and turned out to be 3.4 million, do the math, all of these new voters will be Obama votes in ’12.

But we do not elect by popular vote you may say, yet a movement is already quitely afoot being pushed by Reid and Pelosi gathering the votes to abolish the Electoral College. And wallah, Obama wins in ’12 and most likley in ’16 as well.

’16? What?

Yup! Since Feb of last year aproposal has languished in the house to repeal the 22nd amendment barring POTUS from running for a third term, look for this to gain new found steam in the lame-duck session. In ’08 we may have made such a tragic decision in electing Obama that we elected a President for life.

I am currently flushing out the particulars in a piece detailing what I fear may be coming down the pike called:

Barack Obama, the 44th and final POTUS.

Archimedes on June 26, 2010 at 2:43 PM

It looks like McShamnesty has pulled the wool over the eyes of enough people out here in Arizona to get elected again. Once elected he’ll return to his old self and would be their 60th vote.

chemman on June 26, 2010 at 2:43 PM

Yes but to do that he would be helping out BHO in a lame duck session to really piss off the vast majority of the American people. Don’t think even he will do that.

txmomof6 on June 26, 2010 at 2:48 PM

Purple Fury on June 26, 2010 at 2:10 PM

Absolutely agree. I find no comfort in these disclosures. Statists need a permanent underclass of reliable voters just as much as they need nationalized heath care. By hook or crook, they’ll do it…with Republican assistance, if at all possible. “Bi-partisanship,” you know.

Bee on June 26, 2010 at 2:52 PM

Hey, where is the world cup open thread?

Just got in from mowing the lawn and they are already down (plus I turned it on to a screen shot of Billy Jeff…)

I need to complain about the early goals they keep letting in.

Come on, it’s destined to drive traffic, I guarantee at least 51% of the posts will be, “I’m, like wicked tough… and stuff and soccer is for sissies … or something”

reaganaut on June 26, 2010 at 2:54 PM

I hope you are right. I do not think this bho gives a flit about the Constitution because of all the things he is doing to our Republic. He does not care about anything or anybody but him!
L

letget on June 26, 2010 at 2:41 PM

Couldn’t agree more. However, the genius of our Founders did give us three branches of government with checks and balances, not just two. Witness federal judge Feldman. Obama may be the Anti-Constitutionalist, but the Constitution really is stronger than that, especially when there are good people of good will who are willing to do the right thing.

txmomof6 on June 26, 2010 at 2:54 PM

Archimedes on June 26, 2010 at 2:43 PM

While congress can propose a constitutional amendment it would still take 38 states to approve it. I don’t see 38 votes for repealing the 22nd. We are though starting to get into worrisome territory on the repealing of the Electoral College. That would turn the election of President over to the 4-5 largest states because of their massive cities. That is not the kind of Nation I want to live in.

chemman on June 26, 2010 at 2:55 PM

Yes but to do that he would be helping out BHO in a lame duck session to really piss off the vast majority of the American people. Don’t think even he will do that.

txmomof6 on June 26, 2010 at 2:48 PM
McCain, who practically endorsed Obama for the presidency, has been very careful with his maverick language while seeking re-election; however, when he is re-elected, I fear that he and Lindsey will get on the maverick warpath and reinvent their gang activity again.

mobydutch on June 26, 2010 at 2:56 PM

txmomof6 on June 26, 2010 at 2:48 PM

Hope you are right.

chemman on June 26, 2010 at 2:59 PM

In 2009, Obama had planned to tackle immigration as his third big project, after ObamaCare and ObamaCap.

He turned out to be ObamaCrap.

Thank god for Jan Brewer’s cojones.

Schadenfreude on June 26, 2010 at 2:59 PM

Yeah. We heard this before. Health Care.

Exactly.

Log on June 26, 2010 at 3:00 PM

mobydutch on June 26, 2010 at 2:56 PM

I don’t know, I think McCain holds grudges, and he is not going to help out Obama at this point in time. Maybe before he would have, but Obama has dissed him too many times since Nov. 08.

txmomof6 on June 26, 2010 at 3:01 PM

txmomof6,
It seems that his getting holder to file suit against AZ doing what he is not doing is against his sworn oath as pres. He has and will not, at this point, secure our S border. I have a feeling that Gov. Brewer will win this one. He bad mouths the SC at the sotu address because he did not like their opinion on something he does not agree with. This bho thinks he is an American ruler or wannabe king! I just hope we will continue to have branches of government. Two, at this point are for this bho.
L

letget on June 26, 2010 at 3:03 PM

Yeah. We heard this before. Health Care.

Narutoboy on June 26, 2010 at 2:05 PM

…and it’s bringing you…platinum…wait…lots of crap…and it’s not 2014, yet.

Watch what you wish for. Actions always have consequences. You be here on Nov. 03, 2010, and thereafter.

Schadenfreude on June 26, 2010 at 3:03 PM

I don’t know, I think McCain holds grudges, and he is not going to help out Obama at this point in time. Maybe before he would have, but Obama has dissed him too many times since Nov. 08.

txmomof6 on June 26, 2010 at 3:01 PM
I hope you are right. It has gotten very difficult to trust John McCain.

mobydutch on June 26, 2010 at 3:04 PM

some Republicans who previously backed a guest-worker program have shifted their positions.

A “guest-worker program” would likely be amnesty-lite or amnesty on the installment plan as a serf program could never stand for long.

Tav on June 26, 2010 at 3:05 PM

Yeah. We heard this before. Health Care.
Exactly.

Log on June 26, 2010 at 3:00 PM

You guys are psyching yourselves out. Obamacare got through because it was in budget under Reconciliation, thus they could do things with needing 60 votes. They aren’t even going to introduce a budget this year. They need 60 votes. They don’t have it, even in a lame duck session.

txmomof6 on June 26, 2010 at 3:06 PM

Gee, is Lil’ Luis goin’ somewhere? Chicago Alderman Ike Carothers was just convicted of bribery and tax fraud, the first public official to go down due to Operation Land Scam, an ongoing FBI investigation into how property gets developed in Chicago. Good old Ike got his sentence reduced to 28 months ’cause he’s been wearin’ a wire for many moons. Gutierrez had some funny business going on with Tony Rezko and now, just maybe, this too. Flee, Luis, flee!

MayorDaley on June 26, 2010 at 3:07 PM

“with needing” should be “without needing” Sorry.

txmomof6 on June 26, 2010 at 3:08 PM

You guys are psyching yourselves out. Obamacare got through because it was in budget under Reconciliation, thus they could do things with needing 60 votes. They aren’t even going to introduce a budget this year. They need 60 votes. They don’t have it, even in a lame duck session.

txmomof6 on June 26, 2010 at 3:06 PM
Obama does not follow the rule of law. period.

mobydutch on June 26, 2010 at 3:08 PM

txmomof6 on June 26, 2010 at 3:06 PM

I know but I told myself all manner of reasons why HCR wouldn’t pass, and it did. Don’t want to get burned again.

Missy on June 26, 2010 at 3:12 PM

txmomof6 on June 26, 2010 at 2:29 PM

I’d love to hear some legal opinions on that. I’ve heard most commonly that he can use an executive order to grant them amnesty but not citizenship. Not that that’s stopped some activist registrars.

Eren on June 26, 2010 at 3:14 PM

Obama does not follow the rule of law. period.

mobydutch on June 26, 2010 at 3:08 PM

I think there may be a few judges around who may have heard of the concept that no man is above the law. Perhaps even a few Congressmen. Articles of Impeachment have to originate in the House of Reps, which hopefully will change hands in November. The mere threat of that power should act as a check that Obama has not yet felt.

txmomof6 on June 26, 2010 at 3:16 PM

chemman on June 26, 2010 at 2:55 PM

Yeah, the 38 states does pose a difficulty, but do recall the adminstrations threat to withhold stim funds from CA if Auhnold signed a bill contrary to SEIU/Stern’s wishes. A sdtate teetering on the brink, as many are, could easily be swayed by impending fiscal implosion just as Auhnold did.

Whatever the case, I fear we are moving into ever more dangerous waters. If the Dhim’s manage anything close to what I described the backlash may lead to that-which-cannot-be-said on HA. If so, BHO accomplishes’ his prime directive of toppling the US from the pinnacle of the global power structure, for a fractured US would become a non-player on the world stage.

As I see it which ever way things play out its a win/win for the Obama agenda and just like any other tin-pot dictator in a bannana republic he will either continue to tighten his grip on the reins of power, or flee with confiscated loot to a sympathetic country, say Venezeula. I mean come on, where do think all those stim funds to non-existent congressional districts really wound up?

Archimedes on June 26, 2010 at 3:17 PM

Eren on June 26, 2010 at 3:14 PM

I copied the following from Wikipedia,

Two Supreme Court precedents were set by the cases of Elk v. Wilkins[7] and United States v. Wong Kim Ark.[8] Elk v. Wilkins established that Native American tribes represented independent political powers with no allegiance to the United States, and that their peoples were under a special jurisdiction of the United States. Children born to these Native American tribes therefore did not automatically receive citizenship under the Fourteenth Amendment if they voluntarily left their tribe.[9] Indian tribes that paid taxes were exempt from this ruling; their peoples were already citizens by an earlier act of Congress, and all non-citizen Native Americans (called “Indians”) were subsequently made citizens by the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924.

In Wong Kim Ark the Supreme Court held that under the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, a man born within the United States to foreigners (in that case, Chinese citizens) who have a permanent domicile and residence in the United States and are carrying on business in the United States[10] and who were not employed in a diplomatic or other official capacity by a foreign power, was a citizen of the United States.

Under these two rulings, the following persons born in the United States are not “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States, and thus do not qualify for automatic citizenship under the Fourteenth Amendment:

Children born to foreign diplomats
Children born to enemy forces in hostile occupation of the United States
Children born to Native Americans who are members of tribes not taxed (These were later given full citizenship by the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924.)
All other persons born in the United States were citizens.

txmomof6 on June 26, 2010 at 3:24 PM

You guys are psyching yourselves out. Obamacare got through because it was in budget under Reconciliation, thus they could do things with needing 60 votes. They aren’t even going to introduce a budget this year. They need 60 votes. They don’t have it, even in a lame duck session.

txmomof6 on June 26, 2010 at 3:06 PM

I know you are trying to make a great point, and if these were honest and upright individuals I would have to GIVE You the point, but the gist of the real fear is that no matter how much health care got voted away, they PUSHED IT THROUGH anyway. They rammed it down our throats. I can fully believe they will find yet another dishonest and pirate method for forcing one more thing on the American People.

Noelie on June 26, 2010 at 3:29 PM

Noelie on June 26, 2010 at 3:29 PM

I am not saying the fear is irrational. I think that I am just saying that fear is a weapon they can use to intimidate us. We have to be stronger than that. We have recourse, we cannot just give up. Harry Reid did not get his extender bill and the election hasn’t even happened yet. After November when the people have spoken loud and clear, those bullies will turn tail and run.

txmomof6 on June 26, 2010 at 3:52 PM

I think there may be a few judges around who may have heard of the concept that no man is above the law. Perhaps even a few Congressmen. Articles of Impeachment have to originate in the House of Reps, which hopefully will change hands in November. The mere threat of that power should act as a check that Obama has not yet felt.

txmomof6 on June 26, 2010 at 3:16 PM
That sounds like a dream come true. I hope the Republicans are up to the fight it will take. The current Republican leadership is very weak.

mobydutch on June 26, 2010 at 3:57 PM

Did Ed really refer to Luis Gutierrez as a “key Democrat”? Key to what?

He’s a clownish little fairy, and has his job at the whim of Richie da Mare Daley, and no one in Illinois thinks twice about him. He couldn’t get elected dog catcher outside of his major-majority-Mexican-minority district. No one black or white will vote for this doofus in a general election.

Key?

Jaibones on June 26, 2010 at 3:58 PM

That sounds like a dream come true. I hope the Republicans are up to the fight it will take. The current Republican leadership is very weak.

mobydutch on June 26, 2010 at 3:57 PM

As a group they may be weak, and it hard not to be weak when you are in the minority, but remember they will get an infusion of fresh, dare I say tea party, blood come November. Don’t forget either, Darrell Issa will have the Chairmanship of Oversight if the Rs take the House. He may be wacky, but I don’t think he is weak.

txmomof6 on June 26, 2010 at 4:07 PM

No really I think we would all be for it Luis . Please introduce a bill right now . Screw the reform talk, lets just make it instant Citizen ship on day one for anyone who sets foot here . B.Hussein and the demcRATS want it , so shall it be written , so shall it be done .

borntoraisehogs on June 26, 2010 at 4:40 PM

But they will pass it during the lame duck session after the November election.

taney71 on June 26, 2010 at 2:05 PM
That might have been the case had Teddy not gone and died on them, but they only have 59 votes in the Senate.

If McCain is re-elected he’ll vote for it. He’s always been an Amnesty guy and his true colors will come out. I’m not so sure Scott Brown won’t also support it.

This lame duck Congress is going out with a bang that this nation might not ever recover from.

Be very afraid.

E9RET on June 26, 2010 at 6:10 PM

I don’t think an Executive Order can grant citizenship. The President has the power to execute the laws that Congress writes, not ones that he writes. He can pardon people of past crimes, but cannot pardon them of future crimes in perpetuity. The Citizenship Clause of the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution determines citizenship, not the President.

txmomof6 on June 26, 2010 at 2:29 PM

So he holds off on the executive order until just a few weeks before the election, signs it and gives them their “citizenship,” gets them registered to vote and then gets the courts to rule that their votes must be accepted until the legality of the EO is settled. By the time the SCOTUS finally rules that the EO does not give them citizenship, the election’s over, the Dems now own substantial supermajorities in both houses of Congress, and the argument then becomes, “Well, it was a fair and legal election under existing law at the time and we can’t overturn it!”

I don’t put it past this crowd to try something like that. They feel like they can do whatever they want, and that we are powerless to stop them.

Gator Country on June 26, 2010 at 9:05 PM

Folks, get used to a lot of lame duck lefty legislation right after the election. Cap-and-trade, immigration reform, tax increases (inlcuding a possible VAT tax), it’s all on the table.

Nullification is the only way to fight this: Nullification – The Only Way Forward

gmerits on June 26, 2010 at 11:17 PM

test

SgtSVJones on June 27, 2010 at 2:07 PM

ObamaCare and ObamaCap Obamnesty

love it….heh

cmsinaz on June 26, 2010 at 2:05 PM

ObamaGration?

Greek Fire on June 28, 2010 at 12:43 AM

As I see it which ever way things play out its a win/win for the Obama agenda and just like any other tin-pot dictator in a bannana republic he will either continue to tighten his grip on the reins of power, or flee with confiscated loot to a sympathetic country, say Venezeula. I mean come on, where do think all those stim funds to non-existent congressional districts really wound up?

Archimedes on June 26, 2010 at 3:17 PM

That leaves the question. “Do we demand him back for trial, with a threat of war. Or tell them that they must never let him leave the country, or there will be war?”

Slowburn on June 28, 2010 at 9:56 AM