Gore accused of sexual assault?

posted at 1:36 pm on June 24, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Yes, I know that few political figures on the Left are more disliked than Al Gore, for a number of reasons, not least of which is the ingracious and destructive campaign Gore launched in Florida that has colored American politics ever since.  He also routinely blasted the Bush administration on the war while demanding action on climate change, and at the same time fattened his own pocketbook and lived a carbon-emission-rich lifestyle.  He’s not a terribly likable figure, but at the same time, this seems very suspicious to me:

Former Vice President Al Gore was accused of “unwanted sexual contact” by a massage therapist in 2006, law enforcement officials said Wednesday, noting that no charges were filed.

In a written statement, the Portland police said “the case was not investigated any further because detectives concluded there was insufficient evidence to support the allegations.”

The statement followed a report in the National Enquirer, which broke the story, and then in the Portland Oregonian, which had earlier decided not to publish it because it could not document it.

Essentially, the story is that Gore wanted a “happy ending” with his massage in 2006, and his legitimate masseuse refused to give it.  She alleges that Gore grabbed her hand and attempted to get his game on, and that he became verbally abusive when she refused.  There were no witnesses to this incident, which at best makes for a “he said, she said” case, even at that time.

This story began floating to the surface earlier this week, and I’ve been getting e-mail about it since yesterday.  The story looks very suspicious, for a couple of reasons.  According to the police, the woman reported the incident at the time but refused to press charges, apparently unwilling to be named in the press and get attacked for her accusation.  Now, several years later, she returned because she wanted to take the case to the media.  That hardly instills confidence in the credibility of the accuser.

Perhaps the story is true, and Gore did assault the masseuse.  However, I’d put a lot more stock in the accusation had she gone to a legitimate news organization rather than the National Enquirer (like the Oregonian, which asked her to come forward earlier), revealed her name, and publicly stood by the accusation, instead of hiding for four years only to sell the story to a tabloid.  As much as I dislike Al Gore politically, this looks like a smear job.

Update: The Smoking Gun has a transcript of her police interview, noting that it sounds a lot like “Vice Presidential fan fiction”:

In December 2006, a lawyer for the woman told police about the purported encounter, but after the masseuse cancelled three interview appointments, the case was closed due to her refusal to “cooperate with the investigation or even report a crime.” It is unclear why, two years later, she approached Portland police and sought to memorialize her allegations against Gore, who she portrayed as a tipsy, handsy predator who forced her to drink Grand Marnier, pinned her to a bed, and forcibly French kissed her. The woman’s statement–which could be mistaken for R-rated Vice Presidential fan fiction–describes Gore as a man with a “violent temper as well as extremely dictatorial commanding attitude besides his Mr. Smiley Global Warming concern persona.” After fleeing Gore’s suite, the woman returned home to discover, a la Lewinsky, “stains on the front of my black slacks.” Suspecting that the stains were Gore bodily fluids, the woman made sure not to clean them. “I carefully hung them up and decided to be sure not to launder them until I knew more what to do with what had happened. Just my intuition.”

TSG also notes the mercenary aspect of their subject:

While the masseuse hired a civil attorney, “I was not interested in making any money from this case,” she told cops. “I did not want to be labeled a gold digger like the women in this situation are often labeled.” The woman recently eased off this principled stand when she offered to sell her story to the National Enquirer for $1 million.

Yes, she didn’t want to cooperate with police in a criminal complaint, but had less problem pursuing a lawsuit and big payoff from the Enquirer.   That certainly builds credibility.

Update: One commenter accuses me of “attacking the victim” in this post.  Well, in this country, we are innocent until proven guilty, and that’s the assumption one has to make when the alleged victim refuses to press charges.  TSG notes that the Portland PD tried three times to get her to cooperate, and unlike earlier versions of the story reported, she alleged to them that she did have potential physical evidence of the crime.  If her statement is true, then a serious crime was committed — but by not pressing charges and giving Gore a chance to respond, she eliminated all possibility of determining the validity of the charge.

That’s not “attacking the victim.”  It’s American Jurisprudence 101.


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Algore Akbar!

maverick muse on June 24, 2010 at 5:22 PM

Question of the day: Is Al Gore now the Tiger Woods of politics?

willamettevalley on June 24, 2010 at 5:24 PM

I said it before and I’ll say it again. This is the way people act, when they know the media is there to protect them.

hawkdriver on June 24, 2010 at 5:26 PM

DrMagnolias on June 24, 2010 at 2:43 PM

A “Doctor of Jurisprudence” is a name that only an attorney would come up with. Harvard coined that phrase in the 60′s.
The Selective Service was not drafting students in medical school, but more definitive, was not drafting students seeking a doctorate…so Harvard was the first University to officially adopt (maybe University of Chicago) that it was a Doctor of Jurisprudence, as a way to dodge the draft.
It had been around and flirted with, but in the 60′s was when it was really trotted out as a barrier against serving in the Vietnam war…Yale resisted.

right2bright on June 24, 2010 at 5:26 PM

Question of the day: Is Al Gore now the Tiger Woods of politics?

willamettevalley on June 24, 2010 at 5:24 PM

I have a feeling you couldn’t make a calendar out of Gore’s conquests…the question is: Does Hillary feel she missed out?

right2bright on June 24, 2010 at 5:28 PM

right2bright on June 24, 2010 at 5:26 PM

That’s very interesting. I love the knowledge people on HA have.

DrMagnolias on June 24, 2010 at 5:28 PM

hawkdriver on June 24, 2010 at 5:26 PM

Exactly…Kennedy, protected…Hart, not protected…

right2bright on June 24, 2010 at 5:29 PM

Now let’s imagine how the establishment media would’ve covered a story about Dan Quayle paying over $500 for a hotel room massage that ended in a misunderstanding between the former Vice President and the massage therapist. I’m thinking the Portland Tribune would’ve run with that one.

Tres Angelas on June 24, 2010 at 5:30 PM

Can you all picture Kagan, Bill Clinton and Algore chasing chicks together?

seven on June 24, 2010 at 4:32 PM

Heh. Many a truth spoken in jest.

tigerlily on June 24, 2010 at 5:31 PM

DrMagnolias on June 24, 2010 at 5:28 PM

Weird huh? And just to be a little more correct, doctor of jurisprudence had been around for awhile (Vatican, Germany, etc.) but it was the Vietnam war that triggered the Doctor of Jurisprudence rush…btw, both my kids are attorney’s, and I tease them that they are half way between a masters and a doctor…2 years, and four years…3 years for a law degree. Smarter then an MBA, but not as smart as a Doctor…

right2bright on June 24, 2010 at 5:33 PM

I’m thinking the Portland Tribune would’ve run with that one.

Tres Angelas on June 24, 2010 at 5:30 PM

They would ask him to spell massage…

right2bright on June 24, 2010 at 5:34 PM

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/prosecutor_al_gore_was_focus_o.html

Quotes:

In her detailed Jan. 8, 2009, statement to a Portland sexual assault investigator, the woman said she was called to the hotel about 10:30 p.m. Oct. 24, 2006, to provide a massage for Gore, who was registered under the name “Mr. Stone.

snip….

Portland police spokeswoman Detective Mary Wheat said police didn’t go to the hotel or talk to the woman’s friends because it wouldn’t help prove or disprove the woman’s allegations.

“We’re not disputing Al Gore was in the hotel room with this woman,” Wheat said. “The two people in that room were Mr. Gore and this woman. If a bellhop came in and saw something, that would be different.”

snip….

Gore family spokeswoman Kalee Kreider said the former vice president has no comment. Gore and his wife, Tipper, announced June 1 they were separating.

No comment???

Godzilla on June 24, 2010 at 5:40 PM

Aah, Lourdes, the reason I did that is because we don’t know her real name. It’s been intentionally blocked out of all of the police reports. How else do you want me to describe her? Ms. X?

I’m getting a mental picture of you as a feminist who goes to feminist support groups, drinks Chardonnay and then talks for four hours about what a victim she is of her painful menstruation.

Jimbo3 on June 24, 2010 at 4:45 PM

Your perceptions are warped, Jimbo3, aka, “Official HA Poster Who Admits To Insisting His Own Daughter Have An Abortion If The Case Arose”.

Lourdes comes across as nothing as you have described above.

On the other hand, you ARE a painful menstruation. Take two Midol and post again in the morning.

tigerlily on June 24, 2010 at 5:41 PM

Don’t know if it is true or not, but from Wikipedia:

In the mid-19th century there was much concern about the quality of legal education in the United States. Christopher Columbus Langdell, who served as dean of Harvard Law School from 1870 to 1895, dedicated his life to reforming legal education in the United States. The historian Robert Stevens wrote that “it was Langdell’s goal to turn the legal profession into a university educated one—and not at the undergraduate level, but through a three-year post baccalaureate degree.”[57] This graduate level study would allow the intensive legal training that Langdell had developed, known as the case method (a method of studying landmark cases) and the socratic method (a method of examining students on the reasoning of the court in the cases studied). Therefore, a graduate high level law degree was established, the Juris Doctor, implementing the case and socratic methods as its didactic approach.[58] The J.D. was established as the equivalent of the J.U.D. in Germany to reflect the advanced study required to be an effective lawyer. It was not a conversion of the LL.B. degree, but a graduate degree to be distinguished from undergraduate programs. Harvard was first to offer the new doctorate. The University of Chicago Law School was the first to offer it exclusively (i.e., the first to not offer both the J.D. and the LL.B.).[59] While approval was still pending at Harvard, the degree was introduced at many other law schools in the United States.

Monkeytoe on June 24, 2010 at 5:42 PM

Yes, she didn’t want to cooperate with police in a criminal complaint, but had less problem pursuing a lawsuit and big payoff from the Enquirer. That certainly builds credibility.

Not really sure that should be a factor in reducing her credibility. Fact is, if you’re a nobody and you’re assaulted by a “somebody” … then it’s a good opportunity to “redistribute” a bit of wealth … to yourself!

As far as I know – the cops don’t pay $$ for stories and they often release information to the media for FREE. If you’re a “small people” and you aren’t too injured from the affair – why not skip the cops, make the perp pay through the negative media he’ll receive, AND bank a few of his dollars for yourself?

Isn’t that better revenge than fighting a court battle that’s stacked in his favor?

Call it “Asymetrical Justice”.

HondaV65 on June 24, 2010 at 5:48 PM

I believe every negative word written about Gore. I’ll bet his wife does too, right?

BillCarson on June 24, 2010 at 5:50 PM

Monkeytoe on June 24, 2010 at 5:42 PM

Interesting entry. I really didn’t mean to get us sidetracked–it was an accidental semi-thread-jacking.

DrMagnolias on June 24, 2010 at 5:51 PM

All these years I thought Al Bore was gay….

lexa on June 24, 2010 at 5:58 PM

Monkeytoe on June 24, 2010 at 5:42 PM

I honestly didn’t look…but let me guess, Wiki…
Juris Doctor was a European concept, as I noted in Germany, and before that actually the Vatican, where the church schooled their own “attorneys”.
We used sporadically in the U.S., one minor university used the J.D from the beginning (I think it was tied to a French University), anyway, LLB was what was the norm…in the 60′s it kept the law students out of the Vietnam war, and you can bet they won’t allow that on Wiki…
How can I be so sure? How do I know? Because before spending 1/2 million or more on my two kids education, I wanted to know what I was buying…and yes, it was worth it.

right2bright on June 24, 2010 at 5:58 PM

Can you all picture Kagan, Bill Clinton and Algore chasing chicks together?

seven on June 24, 2010 at 4:32 PM

Don’t forget Hillary, Reno and Shalala, too. Straight out of a George Romero movie where the zombies are swingers with all the finesse of the two “Wild and crazy guys from Czechoslovakia” in the early SNL skit.

viking01 on June 24, 2010 at 5:58 PM

Aah, Lourdes, the reason I did that is because we don’t know her real name. It’s been intentionally blocked out of all of the police reports. How else do you want me to describe her? Ms. X?

I’m getting a mental picture of you as a feminist who goes to feminist support groups, drinks Chardonnay and then talks for four hours about what a victim she is of her painful menstruation.

Jimbo3 on June 24, 2010 at 4:45 PM
Your perceptions are warped, Jimbo3, aka, “Official HA Poster Who Admits To Insisting His Own Daughter Have An Abortion If The Case Arose”.

Lourdes comes across as nothing as you have described above.

On the other hand, you ARE a painful menstruation. Take two Midol and post again in the morning.

tigerlily on June 24, 2010 at 5:41 PM

Engaging in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent is probably not worth it. His posts speaks volumes as to his bbackground and character. Just let him keep digging.

Jim M. on June 24, 2010 at 6:01 PM

Now back to the woman, the main reason she did not come forward was or could be…It is illegal to attack a whale in the territory of the United States…
Perhaps if we researched a little deeper we could find something scientific, since Gore is such a renowned scientist.
….ahhh what have we here, perhaps a link….

M. Thewissen, a professor at Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine, and his colleagues. Thewissen says that whales are more closely linked to an extinct pig-like animal,

right2bright on June 24, 2010 at 6:06 PM

Well, at least now we know why tere’s so much pr0n on the internet, being the brainchild of a crazed sex poodle and all. . .

Wind Rider on June 24, 2010 at 6:10 PM

I said it before and I’ll say it again. This is the way people act, when they know the media is there to protect them.

hawkdriver on June 24, 2010 at 5:26 PM

–It was an unsubstantiated story based solely on the testimony of a woman who backed out of two or three meetings with police and then decided, according to her lawyer, to handle the matter civilly. There were no pictures, no tapes, etc., but only a (to some extent) “she said” thing. Without more to go on, the paper was right not to print the story.

Jimbo3 on June 24, 2010 at 6:14 PM

It was an unsubstantiated story based solely on the testimony of a woman who backed out of two or three meetings with police and then decided, according to her lawyer, to handle the matter civilly. There were no pictures, no tapes, etc., but only a (to some extent) “she said” thing. Without more to go on, the paper was right not to print the story.

Jimbo3 on June 24, 2010 at 6:14 PM

Are you saying it is not rape if there are no pictures?
It is said that you don’t have a clue. We had rapes before the invention of tape recorders, videos and cameras.
Liberal papers do not treat males and females the same. Muslims will be more than willing to stone a woman that makes a rape charge.

The leftists want to shame women. That is a motive for this woman to not have told the police. Actually the pro aborts can’t complain because they say a simple abortion negates a rape that accidentally caused pregnancy. They say the woman is fine after an incident.

seven on June 24, 2010 at 6:24 PM

Haven’t read the comments, maybe someone already said this. If this is true, she can’t be the only one. They’ll be coming out of the woodwork.

Colorado Anne on June 24, 2010 at 6:31 PM

If the massuse (sic) had any brains at all, she would have threatened to go public with this a few years ago–before the break-up–rather than now.

Jimbo3 on June 24, 2010 at 2:18 PM

Everyone is trying to figure out if her story is true based on the fact that she sounds like a flake. People- Flaky girls are the ones who get raped. Smart, decisive women scare predators who are basically bullies. This woman nearly got raped because she looked like an easy target to him. She ended up being smarter than she sounds, and got away. Just because she is indecisive and sort of flaky does not mean she is lying. It is easy to say “if she was smart”. Maybe she isn’t all that smart- maybe she is sort of indecisive- doesn’t mean she is wrong.

Kristamatic on June 24, 2010 at 6:34 PM

People- Flaky girls are the ones who get raped. Smart, decisive women scare predators who are basically bullies.

Kristamatic on June 24, 2010 at 6:34 PM

I’m more inclined to believe there’s no particular “type” of girl that gets raped. Look around, I’m sure you’ll see that rape cases aren’t all involving “flaky” girls.

While a smart, decisive girl may be better at avoiding circumstances that could lead to assault, sometimes, there is no avoiding it unless you can somehow remain standing, sensible and clear thinking after a random 350lb man breaks your nose and fractures your cheekbone with one punch.

Heralder on June 24, 2010 at 6:41 PM

I hear there’s a blue dress (black slacks)

Colorado Anne on June 24, 2010 at 6:42 PM

According to the police, the woman reported the incident at the time but refused to press charges, apparently unwilling to be named in the press and get attacked for her accusation.

(emphasis added)

This took place in Oregon and, at least in that state, the idea of someone “pressing charges” is nothing more than a fantasy concept foisted on the public by various movies and television. There simply is no such thing as the victim of a crime “pressing charges” in the criminal arena.

A witness or victim can choose to cooperate or not cooperate, but the choice to bring charges rests solely with the prosecutor’s office (in Oregon, that would be a District Attorney’s office). The District Attorney can decline to bring charges even when a victim is vociferous about “pressing charges” (if there isn’t sufficient evidence, if the case is civil, if the actual “crime” took place in a different jurisdiction, etc. etc. etc)

On the other hand, it is fairly routine for District Attorneys to pursue cases where the victim is adamant about NOT wanting to press charges, refuses to cooperate, etc. This most commonly occurs in cases of Domestic Violence where a victim decides that it would be better for the defendant not to get convicted because of “love” or money.

Okay – lecture over – back to your regularly scheduled programming.

Fatal on June 24, 2010 at 6:44 PM

Mr. Gore was asked his view of why there is so much violence in our public schools. His response was as follows:

You can hardly take your eyes away from it. I think that violence has that capacity because of our evolutionary heritage, because of the laws of nature—tooth and fang. And we have with our power of conscience, with our beliefs in God, if we have those—as most of us Americans do—we have the ability to overcome those impulses with higher ones. We have the ability to overcome evil with good . . . But I think that heritage is always present with us. It was, for most of humankind’s existence, part of our way of surviving. And so I think it has primitive appeal.

With all due respect, the statement above is a montage of confusion and contradiction

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So Algore is pro evolution. Since he says we comme from apes, he can offfer no biological reason for his behavior like one. He is bigger and stronger and can follow his primitive animal urges.

….. his little reference to beliefs in God? He believes in evolution which is a godless creation. Non life became life.

seven on June 24, 2010 at 6:47 PM

Here’s Gore’s conundrum: Any physical advance made by Gore to any woman, or man for that matter, if proven, is prima facie an UNWANTED advance. In other words, the prosecution would not need to prove the lack of consent on the part of his victim, only that the advance occurred. A jury would get this right off.

That said, he does deserve the presumption of innocence, as do we who defend against his environment hoax.

TXUS on June 24, 2010 at 7:04 PM

I hate the bastard. Nevertheless it is very easy for a public figure to be set up for extortion and, in this case, it is a distinct possibility. Still, there has to be some reason Tipper is leaving him after all these years. Maybe if we open a few closet doors, we’ll be crushed to death by the sheer weight of skeletons that come tumbling out.

MaiDee on June 24, 2010 at 7:17 PM

“… besides his Mr. Smiley Global Warming concern persona.”

Someone involved in this was on something, ’cause last time I checked “Mr. Smiley Global Warming” was about the last phrase anyone would use to describe this putz.

ya2daup on June 24, 2010 at 7:27 PM

Jimbo3 on June 24, 2010 at 6:14 PM

You try too hard and that wasn’t even my point. I think you get paid to comment here. And I have pictures!

hawkdriver on June 24, 2010 at 7:28 PM

Heralder on June 24, 2010 at 6:41 PM
I don’t disagree- I was trying to make the point you made.

Kristamatic on June 24, 2010 at 7:28 PM

I’m getting a mental picture of you as a feminist who goes to feminist support groups, drinks Chardonnay and then talks for four hours about what a victim she is of her painful menstruation.

Jimbo3 on June 24, 2010 at 4:45 PM

Wow. I’ll bet the ladies just love you and your sensitive side.

di butler on June 24, 2010 at 7:45 PM

I find her story believable. Credibility would have to be tested. But the timeline, details and context of subsequent events lend it.

I have always been on record since it happened that Al Gore striding to the stage to grab Tipper and plant one on her looked so bizarre to me, not, contrary to trilling media and even fairer-than-thou Republicans, like a normal kiss between long-married people. Look at Tipper’s body language at one point, bending back away from him and grabbing his arm as if wanting to push him away.

Anyway, to dismiss it as not credible once again is the opposite of the intent to be fair.

KittyLowrey on June 24, 2010 at 8:03 PM

4 years ago, she would have been a masseuse accusing an Academy Award and Noble Prize winner of sexual assault. One whose love of his wife was immortalized in “Love Story.”
Joe the Plumber just asked a simple question and we saw what happened to him. The women who accused B. Clinton were savaged pretty severely themselves.

Now, most of his “science” has been exposed as a lie, he has been MIA and out of the news, his “fairy-tale marriage” has collapsed. She may feel like her accustion will be more believable now. Going to the ONLY newspaper that actually covered another famous Democrats sex scandal makes sense.

The “gee, she waited 4 years” argument is nonsense. People who are assaulted by complete unknowns often wait years if ever to report it. When the attacker is famous, hesitation is understandable. Victims of sexual assault also will report it, but out of fear don’t wish to press charges.

I’m all for innocent until proven guilty, it IS jurisprudence 101, but how about giving her as much benefit of the doubt as him?

DrAllecon on June 24, 2010 at 2:28 PM

This.

KittyLowrey on June 24, 2010 at 8:25 PM

On the other hand…

….algore is trying to screw the entire free world.

Hmmmmm.

hillbillyjim on June 24, 2010 at 8:50 PM

I haven’t read all four pages, so apologies if this has already been mentioned:

If this is indeed true, I suppose algore has found a whole new meaning for the term “lockbox”, eh?

hillbillyjim on June 24, 2010 at 8:53 PM

http://tweetphoto.com/28958206

Shiny_Tiara on June 24, 2010 at 8:59 PM

Ed, I think you are totally wrong on this one. This woman’s behavior is very typical of a woman who has been sexually abused by a man of power. Ask some of the women you know. Ask them honestly and I think you will understand what I am saying. If she was after money, she would have pursued it immediately. You don’t understand the power that important men can have over women.

bloggless on June 24, 2010 at 9:03 PM

but at the same time, this seems very suspicious to me:

Well, the image of the Goracle getting a massage is in itself hard to take.

ddrintn on June 24, 2010 at 9:11 PM

Everyone is trying to figure out if her story is true based on the fact that she sounds like a flake. People- Flaky girls are the ones who get raped. Smart, decisive women scare predators who are basically bullies. This woman nearly got raped because she looked like an easy target to him. She ended up being smarter than she sounds, and got away. Just because she is indecisive and sort of flaky does not mean she is lying. It is easy to say “if she was smart”. Maybe she isn’t all that smart- maybe she is sort of indecisive- doesn’t mean she is wrong.

Kristamatic on June 24, 2010 at 6:34 PM

I think you are an idiot.

bloggless on June 24, 2010 at 9:15 PM

Al Grope?

jdflorida on June 24, 2010 at 9:21 PM

Is there criminality here? no.

Is it likely that Gore acted stupidly and did ‘come on’ to this woman? yes!!

Serious ‘gross-out’ time!!

gmaninatl on June 24, 2010 at 9:24 PM

Haven’t read the comments, maybe someone already said this. If this is true, she can’t be the only one. They’ll be coming out of the woodwork.

Colorado Anne on June 24, 2010 at 6:31 PM

Correct. Al in those days was traveling all over the world selling his snake oil.

Del Dolemonte on June 24, 2010 at 9:46 PM

Is there criminality here? no.

gmaninatl on June 24, 2010 at 9:24 PM

Would you say the same if it were someone other than Algore, or any other Democrat?

In other words, if Dick Cheney or Dan Quayle had the exact same accusation lobbed at them, you would give them a pass too?

Del Dolemonte on June 24, 2010 at 9:50 PM

Let me get this straight. We have someone who wants us to accept a story without offering any corroborating evidence and without ever facing any questions about the story? But enough about Al Gore’s global warming theory, what’s this about an alleged assault?

Ted Torgerson on June 24, 2010 at 9:55 PM

Bill Clinton when asked for comment said, “Thata boy!”.

ClassicCon on June 24, 2010 at 10:30 PM

Of course he did it. We know that he is a malignant narcissist and egomaniac who believes his own fawning press. He’s rich and powerful, and a fat goofball. He thinks he’s a environmental rock star and every woman a potential groupy. She wasn’t the first and only. I look forward to more such stories. I mean, really, ask yourself, considering all we know about Algore, does this not ring true?

pupik on June 25, 2010 at 1:08 AM

Hmmmmm.

What I find amusing in all this is the rabid defense of Al Gore.

Is there any question that Al Gore has the media on his side? Is there any question that any woman who makes any kind of accusation like this is in for a massive raking over the coals? Would any woman in a similar situation dare to make even an accusation knowing that every aspect of her life will be held to a greater standard than Al Gore? That the lack of forensic evidence would be held against her?

How many times in the past have the media withheld damaging stories involving Democrats? Waitress sandwich anyone? Gennifer Flowers? Paula Jones? Anybody remember that the Washington Post withheld the Monica Lewinsky story? And that once Matt Drudge broke the story a year after the Washington Post first obtained it … the media instead turned the story into one against a confidant of Lewinsky and not even the President?

What about the media knowing about John Edwards and his affair … but refusing to pursue it? Leaving it to the Enquirer? Why wouldn’t a woman go to the Enquirer instead of the Washington Post? Would she really get an even break at the WaPo? Based on what?

How many times have the police helped Democrats avoid messy situations or criminal arrest? Ted Kennedy anyone? How about Patrick Kennedy and his love of DWI while drugged or drunk? And we’re talking Washington state here right? Not especially anti-Democrat is it?

As for the $1 million. So f**king what? Perhaps to you that makes the accusation less credible. To me it doesn’t affect the credibility in any way.

Why?

This woman has accused Al Gore of a form of sexual assault. There is no question that she will be portrayed as a “mercenary”. No question she’ll be portrayed as a “kook”, or “golddigger” or “celebrity pursuing nutjob”. No question her life will be flayed alive and not just her but her whole family will be hounded relentlessly. There is no question whatsoever that her professional reputation will be destroyed and that her ability to pay the bills will be permanently damaged.

If a close friend of yours just admitted to you in private confidence that she experienced an attack of this nature from Al Gore. And she asked *you* what she should do. What she could expect from the mass media. What scrutiny she should be willing to suffer. What financial loss and permanent damage she should be expecting for the sheer affront of accusing a powerful liberal Democrat.

What would you advise?

And would you have the honesty to admit that you’re glad that you don’t have to make that choice?

memomachine on June 25, 2010 at 2:40 AM

Is this why he and Tipper got sepera- zzzzzzzzzz!!!!

cableguy615 on June 25, 2010 at 5:59 AM

Sorry . Every time I am on an Al Bore-related thread I doze off !

cableguy615 on June 25, 2010 at 6:00 AM

memomachine on June 25, 2010 at 2:40 AM

Phew! Good one.

petefrt on June 25, 2010 at 7:36 AM

How can I be so sure? How do I know? Because before spending 1/2 million or more on my two kids education, I wanted to know what I was buying…and yes, it was worth it.

right2bright on June 24, 2010 at 5:58 PM

I’m sorry, but that sounds like urban legend. Give me some cites that demonstrate that is the case. According to Wiki, which has cites, Harvard started the J.D. in america in the 1800′s and other schools soon followed.

I have a J.D. and never heard such a thing, and trust me, my law school was liberal enough that it would have been proud and would have told us if that were true.

Monkeytoe on June 25, 2010 at 7:43 AM

I honestly didn’t look…but let me guess, Wiki…

right2bright on June 24, 2010 at 5:58 PM

Also, my very first line is “this is from Wikipedia”. So not sure why you needed to guess.

Monkeytoe on June 25, 2010 at 7:46 AM

And, don’t get me wrong, I think law school is a scam. It should be 1 to 1 1/2 years at most, with the other education being on-the-job training. The second year and 1/2 of law school is just filler.

Monkeytoe on June 25, 2010 at 7:47 AM

Hhmmmm! http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/24/AR2010062406355.html?hpid=moreheadlines.

Kurtz says the The Enquirer did pay.

Cindy Munford on June 25, 2010 at 8:15 AM

Monkeytoe on June 25, 2010 at 7:47 AM

Sort of going back to the “reading law” concept practiced for so long in this country? When did that end, by the way? I’ve often thought that would be highly beneficial–sort of a combination of independent study and in-depth mentoring.

DrMagnolias on June 25, 2010 at 8:33 AM

If a close friend of yours just admitted to you in private confidence that she experienced an attack of this nature from Al Gore. And she asked *you* what she should do. What she could expect from the mass media. What scrutiny she should be willing to suffer. What financial loss and permanent damage she should be expecting for the sheer affront of accusing a powerful liberal Democrat.

What would you advise?

memomachine on June 25, 2010 at 2:40 AM

I would tell her that she should seek damages. As a close friend, it is not my job to scrutinize her, it’s my job (and my desire) to believe her and comfort her.

I would advise her to seek damages, file the police report and follow through with it. I would suggest that if she didn’t want this to turn into a media circus, that she should not got to uhh, The National Enquirer.

She’s not my close friend though, and therefore I can scrutinize her story as any thinking person should. Note that I didn’t say disbelieve her story, just scrutinize it.

What I find amusing in all this is the rabid defense of Al Gore.

I’ll understand if you didn’t get through the comments, I actually didn’t see any rabid defense of Al Gore, though Jimbo seemed inclined to defend him.

If you think law should be conducted or justice done on the basis of whether or not you like someone, then fine, just say it. But for those who try to put their personal dislike of Al Gore to the side and look at the topic in a more sensible and less biased fashion, well, just make sure you don’t accuse them of “rabid defense of Al Gore.” Not sure if those are the folks you’re talking about or not.

I have a feeling alot of the posts here would be the exact opposite of what they are if this had been a woman saying the same thing of Rush Limbaugh and it coming out in the National Enquirer.

Heralder on June 25, 2010 at 8:38 AM

Sorry, this was supposed ot be in blockquotes, not italics:

What I find amusing in all this is the rabid defense of Al Gore.

Heralder on June 25, 2010 at 8:39 AM

–It was an unsubstantiated story based solely on the testimony of a woman who backed out of two or three meetings with police and then decided, according to her lawyer, to handle the matter civilly. There were no pictures, no tapes, etc., but only a (to some extent) “she said” thing. Without more to go on, the paper was right not to print the story.

Jimbo3 on June 24, 2010 at 6:14 PM

But CBS News and the press have a Tweet and a text message from 1971 wherein George W. Bush swears he is hiding from duty in Vietnam.

Go with it! America needs to know!

mankai on June 25, 2010 at 9:11 AM

Jimbo3 on June 24, 2010 at 6:14 PM
You try too hard and that wasn’t even my point. I think you get paid to comment here. And I have pictures!

hawkdriver on June 24, 2010 at 7:28 PM

–Hey, hope the golf game was good. Let’s see the pixs (I know you’re teasing).

Jimbo3 on June 25, 2010 at 9:48 AM

I’m getting a mental picture of you as a feminist who goes to feminist support groups, drinks Chardonnay and then talks for four hours about what a victim she is of her painful menstruation.

Jimbo3 on June 24, 2010 at 4:45 PM
Wow. I’ll bet the ladies just love you and your sensitive side.

di butler on June 24, 2010 at 7:45 PM

–I’m married. I’m not sure I have a sensitive side any more. I think my wife would agree with you.

Jimbo3 on June 25, 2010 at 9:50 AM

Heralder on June 25, 2010 at 8:38 AM

I’ve sort of lost track of the posts about the case in particular, and sexual assault/rape in general. My mind has divided posts into four categories: 1) Those who believe her accusation is plausible or even convincing, 2) Those who are talking about sexual assault in general, 3) Those who have a bit more doubt or are skeptical of the accusations, and 4) Those who are experiencing schadenfreude because Al Gore is such a hypocritical creep. Oh, and 5) Those of us who were discussing law degrees.

DrMagnolias on June 25, 2010 at 9:53 AM

DrMagnolias on June 25, 2010 at 9:53 AM

My apologies if I was too general. I feel the ‘reasons for’ in group 1 and 3 are what is in contention.

Heralder on June 25, 2010 at 10:14 AM

Is this why he and Tipper got sepera- zzzzzzzzzz!!!!

cableguy615 on June 25, 2010 at 5:59 AM

Hmmmmmm. The timing is rather interesting, isn’t it?

Cylor on June 25, 2010 at 10:15 AM

It’s since been reported he acted like a “sex-crazed poodle”…in dog terms, I think of Al more as a Hybrid –cross between a Bulldog and a Shih-Tzu.

JPlunket on June 25, 2010 at 10:15 AM

I’ll understand if you didn’t get through the comments, I actually didn’t see any rabid defense of Al Gore, though Jimbo seemed inclined to defend him.

If you think law should be conducted or justice done on the basis of whether or not you like someone, then fine, just say it. But for those who try to put their personal dislike of Al Gore to the side and look at the topic in a more sensible and less biased fashion, well, just make sure you don’t accuse them of “rabid defense of Al Gore.” Not sure if those are the folks you’re talking about or not.

I have a feeling alot of the posts here would be the exact opposite of what they are if this had been a woman saying the same thing of Rush Limbaugh and it coming out in the National Enquirer.

Heralder on June 25, 2010 at 8:38 AM

There’s a difference between being skeptical and defending someone. I just think there are a bunch of holes in her story and evidence thus far.

Jimbo3 on June 25, 2010 at 10:25 AM

STIMULUS?

Rea1ityCheck on June 25, 2010 at 10:26 AM

And, don’t get me wrong, I think law school is a scam. It should be 1 to 1 1/2 years at most, with the other education being on-the-job training. The second year and 1/2 of law school is just filler.

Monkeytoe on June 25, 2010 at 7:47 AM

It’s generally structured that way in the UK and, I think, Australia and India.

Jimbo3 on June 25, 2010 at 10:29 AM

I’m not buying it, personally, but these stories are always a case of “he did,” without any method of validating.

Reminds me of the Haley smears.

AnninCA on June 25, 2010 at 10:36 AM

bloggless on June 24, 2010 at 9:15 PM
Well, I thought your response was very smart, and I agree with you. I guess I just wasn’t clear. Have a nice day.

Kristamatic on June 25, 2010 at 12:51 PM

I’m not buying it, personally, but these stories are always a case of “he did,” without any method of validating.

Reminds me of the Haley smears.

AnninCA on June 25, 2010 at 10:36 AM

$540.00 That is a lot of money for Wesson oil. Just so you understand. Discussing money without money changing hands is solicitation in prostitution. Here we have money changing hands. “Mr Stone” did not need to have her sneak to his room if the oil was for a fondue without dishes and silverware. Do you think Algore did indeed pay 540 dollars just to give her a hand wave hello?

seven on June 25, 2010 at 7:06 PM

No one pays $540 for a massage. Heck, the hotel’s Spa charges $140 for their most expensive massage.

But Gore admits to having paid $540 ($450 for the massage, plus a $90 tip). Details and links here.

Greg Q on June 26, 2010 at 1:42 AM

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