Open thread: Obama announcement on McChrystal’s status; Update: AP says he’s gone, Petraeus back to the front; Update: Fox confirms; Update: “Considerable regret” over McChrystal resignation, Obama says

posted at 1:19 pm on June 23, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Barack Obama will speak at 1:30 ET in the White House Rose Garden to make a statement on the status of General Stanley McChrystal:

His job in grave jeopardy, Afghanistan war commander Gen. Stanley McChrystal made his case to President Barack Obama on Wednesday, contrite over his blistering remarks about administration officials.

Obama huddled with his war advisers before telling the nation of the embattled general’s fate. He planned a 1:30 p.m. EDT statement in the Rose Garden about the controversy.

With Washington abuzz, there was an almost complete White House lockdown on information about the day’s developments and the president’s thinking. It wasn’t even known where McChrystal went after leaving the West Wing from his nearly half-hour showdown with Obama.

Normally, I’d say a scheduled appearance would mean McChrystal’s out, but this has become so volatile that either decision would probably require an explanation from Obama.  We’ll open up the thread and wait to see what happens.

Update: Megyn Kelly on Fox repeats an AP update that Obama will relieve McChrystal of his command.  No link yet, still looking.  They also report that David Petraeus will take his place.

Update II: From the previous link:

A source tells The Associated Press that President Barack Obama will name Gen. David Petraeus to succeed Gen. Stanley McChrystal as top war commander in Afghanistan.

Given the controversy that surrounded McChrystal before this week started, this may not be bad news.

Update III: Major Garrett confirms from a “very senior administration official” that McChrystal’s out, and Petraeus is in.

Update IV: Smart move, say former Bush administration officials:

“After this I don’t see how he could have stayed on, frankly,” Eric Edelman, the number three official at the Pentagon from 2005 to 2009, told The Daily Caller.

“This is a real tragedy because Stan McChrystal is an incredibly capable officer who is a real hero in my book for what he did in Iraq and Afghanistan as the [Joint Special Operations Command] commander,” Edelman said. “He’s one of the more capable officers I knew during my time at the Pentagon.”

But Edelman, whose title was undersecretary of defense for policy, said that the Rolling Stone article that exploded into the news cycle Tuesday morning “suggests that a command climate had been created that allowed people around the general, without him correcting them, to say in front of — I’m sorry to say — a journalist things that were disrespectful of a civilian chain of command.”

“And whatever they might think, that’s not something they’re supposed to do,” he said.

“Suggesting that the president of the United States is intimidated by his military officers, that he wasn’t ready to be the commander, the suggestions that come directly from Stan in the article are that he was measuring the president and found him wanting,” Edelman said. “That may not be wrong. But it’s intolerable for a military commander who serves ultimately at the pleasure of the president and commander of chief … to let that become part of the public record.”

I suspect that Edelman and his colleagues would approve of Petraeus as the replacement, too.

Update V: Great point from the Boss Emeritus: “How far we’ve come from the MoveOn/General Betray Us heydays, eh?”  And didn’t Hillary Clinton call him a liar?

Update VI: Obama insists that he didn’t make the change over a sense of personal insult, and says that McChrystal earned a reputation of being “one of America’s finest soldiers.”  The war is bigger than any one man, including “a President,” but the commentary in the Rolling Stone article doesn’t meet the expectations of professional conduct and it “erodes the trust” necessary to prosecute and win the war.

Update VII: The standard of strict respect for civilian control of the military is critical for democracy and for success in the war theater, Obama insists.

Update VIII: ” I welcome debate among my team, but will not tolerate division.”  Well, perhaps Obama should have acted earlier with other members of his team in order to avoid this.

Update IX: Petraeus is setting an extraordinary example of patriotism and sacrifice by accepting this command, Obama insists.  Very true.

Update X: A short statement, but effective and as gracious as it could be under the circumstances.  Obama appears to have split the baby rather adeptly here, softening the blow of losing McChrystal by arguably trading up for the legendary Petraeus.  That should dampen criticism over cashiering McChrystal, especially among Republicans on Capitol Hill.


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OT: We just had a F$%king earthquake in Toronto…

Not a very big one but the ground motion was several inches in amplitude and I could feel the shaking.

gh on June 23, 2010 at 1:47 PM

I thought you guys were on the metric system?

pain train on June 23, 2010 at 2:21 PM

“suggests that a command climate had been created that allowed people around the general, without him correcting them, to say in front of — I’m sorry to say — a journalist things that were disrespectful of a civilian chain of command.”

Edelman is absolutely correct. I knew this as an enlisted man and as an NCO would correct an EM that spoke this way about their chain of command in my presence, even if they were correct. The POTUS is absolutely correct in replacing McChrystal, resignation or not.

The Opinionator on June 23, 2010 at 2:14 PM

NOTE Edelman’s operative word is “suggests“, and NOT the phrase, “there is”.

However, in a pure environment as SUGGESTED, then the conclusion is correct, but it wasn’t a pure environment and much of what’s transpired is HERESAY…

HERESAY especially because much of what’s been lobbed against and about McChrystal in criticism WAS GENERATED BY THE WRITER OF THAT ARTICLE AND NOT BY McCHRYSTAL AND/OR “STAFF”.

** THE ISSUE IS ** who in the Pentagon approved of a writer (any writer) from Rolling Stone being sent off as embed?

THAT’s the story, that’s the essence of any “problem” and it’s with the set-up of the entire “suggested” accusations.

Lourdes on June 23, 2010 at 2:22 PM

You’re not going to really know unless and until he speaks freely and on the record. That may be part of the plan. He’s gotten everybody’s attention now. Everybody wants to know what’s going on. Now let’s see if he takes the stage and explains himself.

TheBigOldDog on June 23, 2010 at 2:05 PM

I can hardly wait to hear from the man himself at some point- hopefully before the whole country disintegrates into complete chaos (well… maybe it’s already to late)
I am about to induce myself into a coma with strict instructions not to wake me up until BHO is no longer CIC!

huskerdiva on June 23, 2010 at 2:22 PM

That shows you how much General Petraeus loves his country and his men. He could have kneecapped Obama by publicly declining the post and resigning and then there’d be a crisis the likes of which haven’t been seen since George Washington’s days.

TheBigOldDog on June 23, 2010 at 2:15 PM

Yep, and by dutifully accepting the assignment, then later resigning when he finds Øbama‘s new plan is untenable, he’ll cut his legs off at the hips instead of at the knees.

petefrt on June 23, 2010 at 2:22 PM

Who gets the first interview Hannity or Greta?

moonsbreath on June 23, 2010 at 2:22 PM

Politicizing Cancer, stay classy.

The Race Card on June 23, 2010 at 2:16 PM

Huh? I didn’t read anyone “politicizing” cancer. I heard concerns for the man’s health. Lighten up.

Firefly_76 on June 23, 2010 at 2:23 PM

I thought you guys were on the metric system?

pain train on June 23, 2010 at 2:21 PM

LOL!!

Cindy Munford on June 23, 2010 at 2:23 PM

gh on June 23, 2010 at 1:47 PM

felt a little trembling here in vermont….

cmsinaz on June 23, 2010 at 2:23 PM

I don’t see that he (Obama) had any choice. At least Petreus was willing to step up to the plate and take command.

And, no, I still don’t like Obama.

Tennman on June 23, 2010 at 2:24 PM

Petreus will resign over it. Maybe then reconsider running for prez in 2012.

petefrt on June 23, 2010 at 2:16 PM

I hope your right, but the recent actions of our military leaders does not lead me to believe that!
I fear the top military men have bought the idea that we need to be nice and not offend Mooslims and rebuild nations instead of killin the enemy and breakin their friggin backs!
Why would I think this?
Why would I think the Military top brass is infested with Bill Clintoon advanced Generals and the 60′s hippy philosophy of be nice and can’t we all just get along?

-ROE in Afghanistan
-Early withdrawl rules!
-Demands for McChrystals head when he said very little himself
-Fort Hood! Has that murderin Mooslim had his electric chair treatment yet?
-Hillary in charge at State Dept.

dhunter on June 23, 2010 at 2:25 PM

Snarky headline option for AP later: “Obama Moving On”

with pic of the infamous Moveon.org ad against Petraus

jp on June 23, 2010 at 2:25 PM

This is the quickest Obamas has done anything.He must have felt it was hurting his image.You would think he would drag it out as long as possible to cover up his handling of the gulf disaster.

sandee on June 23, 2010 at 2:25 PM

Politicizing Cancer, stay classy.

The Race Card on June 23, 2010 at 2:16 PM

Look here you dipstick stalking reject.

I am SORRY if it bothers you that Petreaus is in REMISSION for CANCER. His TYPE of Cancer COMES BACK 60% of the time. And since YOU can’t seem to grasp that idea… I am making it a point of showing it as usually when you lack sleep, have ADDED stress and so on usually bring BACK a cancer.

I feel BAD for the man. He isn’t going to bitch about it. And you saying that I am pointing out and polarizing it just show how INEPT you are about what little KNOWLEDGE you actually have concerning it.

Now go find a redneck to go bother …. stalker.

upinak on June 23, 2010 at 2:26 PM

This is the quickest Obamas has done anything.He must have felt it was hurting his image.You would think he would drag it out as long as possible to cover up his handling of the gulf disaster.

sandee on June 23, 2010 at 2:25 PM

It was interfering with his leisure activities.

Daggett on June 23, 2010 at 2:26 PM

The standard of strict respect for civilian control of the military is critical for democracy and for success in the war theater, Obama insists.

What has to be respected is the chain of command. And McChrystal never diss’d that. This is all personal.

When a “leader” whines: “You must respect ME,” he loses any potential claim to respect he may have ever had. And, frankly, he probably never had any in the first place.

logis on June 23, 2010 at 2:21 PM

EXCELLENT COMMENTS, logis.

What I’m finding (also) interesting is the phony ‘military talk’ by the Left, as if by magic. Suddenly, Obama — who regards personnel before him as “corpse”s and who has maintained a life-long involvement of disdaining U.S. defense and military presence — suddenly he’s lecturing the world on the U.S. military and his presumed bigness in that regard, by putting down the military.

The “letting go” of General McChrystal appears to be utterly manufactured to prop-up Obama’s idea of how big he is. I guess they “had to cut something”.

Lourdes on June 23, 2010 at 2:26 PM

Politicizing Cancer, stay classy.

The Race Card on June 23, 2010 at 2:16 PM

Huh? They seem like sincere concerns for the general’s health to me.

AsianGirlInTights on June 23, 2010 at 2:26 PM

Update VII: The standard of strict respect for civilian control of the military is critical for democracy and for success in the war theater, Obama insists.

It’s a two-way street and zero hasn’t shown any respect to the military past, present or future.

marinetbryant on June 23, 2010 at 2:27 PM

Yet, why not say it to his face? He’s a warrior, right?

Bee on June 23, 2010 at 2:14 PM

Maybe this was the only way he could get a meeting with BO.

txhsmom on June 23, 2010 at 2:27 PM

This is the quickest Obamas has done anything. He must have felt it was hurting his image….

sandee on June 23, 2010 at 2:25 PM

Exactly…and the Gulf Oil Disaster is now spewing more oil than ever before. Still spewing. Still spewing. Where’s Obama? Still spewing…

Lourdes on June 23, 2010 at 2:28 PM

Politicizing Cancer, stay classy.

The Race Card on June 23, 2010 at 2:16 PM

Stalking me and telling me I am wrong for the health of a General who has had cancer and is in remission… isn’t polarizing you dipstick.

How about you learn something about the cancer he had, whic come back 60% and then talk to me. God you are a farking idiot.

upinak on June 23, 2010 at 2:28 PM

Threat removed. Petraeus won’t be running in 2012. Watch for the hand you don’t see.
notagool on June 23, 2010 at 2:18 PM

Don’t count Petraeus out. He has more of a platform to work from now than he ever had before.

Whether Obama realizes it or not, he has just given General Patraeus a blank check to go in and clean house in a second Third-World cesspit.

If he can pull that off, by 2012, no one is going to remember Obama’s name.

logis on June 23, 2010 at 2:28 PM

gh on June 23, 2010 at 1:47 PM

felt a little trembling here in vermont….

cmsinaz on June 23, 2010 at 2:23 PM

Holy smokes! Today is another one of those days when reading DRUDGE makes ya wonder if we’re going to last long enough to see the Mayan Doomsday in 2012.

petefrt on June 23, 2010 at 2:29 PM

Obama is still playing politics. He’ll draw down forces as schedule plus keep a dysfunctional ambassador which.most likely results in a loss that will be used against Petraeus politically later.

Zaggs on June 23, 2010 at 2:29 PM

Dude.

McChrustal – the man they’re savaging right now and praising Obama for letting go – WAS OBAMA’S HANDPICKED CHOICE TO LEAD THE AFG. CAMPAIGN.

Obama put this general in charge in the first place, and now wants to pretend he had nothing to do with McChrystal being there in the first place.

And when Obama picked him last year, we were treated to rounds of stories about how great of a wartime leader Obama was, how unprecedented, how historic, how much better he was than that damned fool Bush who had no idea what he was doing, yadda yadda, etc.

How’s that part of the narrative working out for the O-bots today, huh?

Good Lt on June 23, 2010 at 2:15 PM

And replaced him with Bush’s Iraq surge guy, you know the Surge that Obama STILL has yet to acknowledge as winning in Iraq.

IE Bush’s judgement must be better then Obama’s. There’s the spin.

As to 2012, The Won is still going down and he may have just made that all the more easy…

I expect a few rounds of moose shot from Facebook any hour now.

Sharr on June 23, 2010 at 2:29 PM

I would love to sehttp://hotair.com/archives/2010/06/23/open-thread-obama-announcement-on-mcchrystals-status/comment-page-3/#comment-3657832e Eikenberry and Holebroke OUT.

Dr Evil on June 23, 2010 at 1:56 PM</blockquote

exactly. given that obviously they are part of the problem (Holbrook's never been the sharpest crayon in the box, but he's loyal, yes, to the Clintons!) they should have been relieved of their duties at the same time with McChrystal…The sad part in all this is that probably the General was right, these sycophants (Holbrook and the Akaiberry guy :-) are only interested in covering their flanks while making things difficult for the military leadership there…all this whining about how the Gen disrespected the civilian leadership, blah, blah, and what disrespect was that, calling two incompetent civilians (yeah, one's an ex-gen but a daft one) what they are, incompetent that is….whatever happen to straight talk and calling a spade a spade…why on earth would you even have people like Holbrook and Eikenberry in there, obviously they don't believe in this mission, they don't believe we can win in Afgh, nobody respect them there and they are both seen as hugely ineffective by people on the ground and subordinates, they are there just to give grief to the military leadership, thrash and complain about everything related to the mission, and leak stuff to the press…they remind me two old men (Statler & Waldorf) from the Muppets Show…plus the disgusting politics that they bring with them and which is part of their Washington ethos…

jimver on June 23, 2010 at 2:29 PM

Yeah, but why did McC shoot himself in the foot in this way? I just don’t get this.

BuckeyeSam on June 23, 2010 at 1:58 PM

What’s not to get? He got exactly what he wanted — out — and made Obama look even more the pathetic fool.

Rae on June 23, 2010 at 2:29 PM

Who gets the first interview Hannity or Greta?

moonsbreath on June 23, 2010 at 2:22 PM

OReally?
First question from OReally:
MR. MCChrystal why were you so mean to our grand and glorious leader who is a family loving American doing his best to win a war, stop the dam leak, save our southern shores from a relentless on slaught of evil oil and well meaning Meixican folks looking to improve America.
Why were you so mean?
why I woulda done whatever you did better than you!

dhunter on June 23, 2010 at 2:30 PM

Yep, and by dutifully accepting the assignment, then later resigning when he finds Øbama’s new plan is untenable, he’ll cut his legs off at the hips instead of at the knees.

petefrt on June 23, 2010 at 2:22 PM

Maybe, but then they can paint him as quitter. Everybody knows the plan now. Everybody knows it unattainable now. He doesn’t have to accept to resign. He could have resigned right now and said those things and then it would look like a major crisis.

TheBigOldDog on June 23, 2010 at 2:30 PM

I thought you guys were on the metric system?

pain train on June 23, 2010 at 2:21 PM

I have two younger brothers (2 + 4 years). The younger one is metric … I was in high-school from 72-77 and the conversion was just before that.

gh on June 23, 2010 at 2:31 PM

Nothing is bigger than this President’s ego. It competes with his narcissism for top spot… so anything else is #3 on the list.

ajacksonian on June 23, 2010 at 2:31 PM

My guess is that McChyrstal said what he said because he wanted to be fired. Now Petraeus will be left holding the can for the disastrous COIN strategy.

aengus on June 23, 2010 at 2:31 PM

OReally?
First question from OReally:
MR. MCChrystal why were you so mean to our grand and glorious leader who is a family loving American doing his best to win a war, stop the dam leak, save our southern shores from a relentless on slaught of evil oil and well meaning Meixican folks looking to improve America.
Why were you so mean?
why I woulda done whatever you did better than you!

dhunter on June 23, 2010 at 2:30 PM

Shows you how far O’Reilly has fallen that many of us think that’s exactly what he’d do. So sad.

TheBigOldDog on June 23, 2010 at 2:32 PM

dhunter on June 23, 2010 at 2:25 PM

Ugh! I was hoping Petraeus had not bought into that PC garbage.

petefrt on June 23, 2010 at 2:32 PM

Who gets the first interview Hannity or Greta?

moonsbreath on June 23, 2010 at 2:22 PM

Red Eye
and Baker should do the interview
;-)

macncheez on June 23, 2010 at 2:33 PM

just went over to Paulnut headquarters to see what rabid views they have on this, this is it so far. Full of lies, deceits, history revisionism all in one anti-american dishonest post:

The Best News Out of the McChrystal Interview
Posted by Lew Rockwell on June 22, 2010 06:43 PM

When he visited troops on the front lines, to the extent that such things exist in an anti-guerrilla war, and gave them the usual pep-BS talk, the troops responded by staring at him, expressionless. When he left, not one man cheered or even applauded. The US war on Vietnam, and its 4-6 million deaths, ended when the troops began to say No. Could that be happening again?

notice how he doesn’t blame Pol Pot killing fields against Pol Pot and the Commies, or Commie Appeasers such as himself, nope all the fault of the USA alone in Paultard universe.

jp on June 23, 2010 at 2:33 PM

My guess is that McChyrstal said what he said because he wanted to be fired. Now Petraeus will be left holding the can for the disastrous COIN strategy.

aengus on June 23, 2010 at 2:31 PM

So you think he just resigned by suicide because of his own failures?

TheBigOldDog on June 23, 2010 at 2:33 PM

Overheard at the White House: “You mean I had to do more than give a speech to fix this problem in Afghanistan? Man I need some gol–wait, other problems require more than speeches? This presidenting is hard!”

Sgt Steve on June 23, 2010 at 2:34 PM

McChrystal conducted “black ops” in Iraq. Anybody think eric Holder has a new mission as of this moment?
BKeyser on June 23, 2010 at 1:54 PM

Yep – he’ll bring McChrystal up on “hate crime” charges.

Oopsdaisy on June 23, 2010 at 2:34 PM

felt a little trembling here in vermont….

cmsinaz on June 23, 2010 at 2:23 PM

USGS Report says it was 5.5 and was felt all over.

Epicenter was in Quebec just north of Ottawa.

The Ottawa Valley is a rift valley and I grew up there. There were a couple of very small earthquakes (about 3 on richter scale) which I never felt.

This is unusually large for Ontario/Quebec. Google had results within about 10 minutes … weird.

gh on June 23, 2010 at 2:34 PM

Obama is still playing politics. He’ll draw down forces as schedule plus keep a dysfunctional ambassador which.most likely results in a loss that will be used against Petraeus politically later.

Zaggs on June 23, 2010 at 2:29 PM

I am afraid this is very much so…this is by far the most cynical prez this country has ever had…

jimver on June 23, 2010 at 2:34 PM

Fascinating insight from Blackfive.net

Wethal on June 23, 2010 at 1:54 PM

Actually, having just read that “fascinating insight” so you call it, from blackfive, I note that it’s naive.

The naivete is in the dance around but refusal to address why the writer from Rolling Stone was approved by the Pentagon in the first place.

All the rest is predictable betrayal and hyperbole from the Left and especially from the Leftwing Rolling Stone as anti-military publishing source…OF COURSE it was going to result in a creaming of the General AND of the military altogether, that’s the point.

Whoever made the decision to send that writer from that source to McChrystal and troops is the problem and it wasn’t McChrystal who made that decision, it was *someone* in the Pentagon, who was, almost certainly, doing what they were told by the Obama Administration.

Lourdes on June 23, 2010 at 2:35 PM

Don’t count Petraeus out. He has more of a platform to work from now than he ever had before.

Whether Obama realizes it or not, he has just given General Patraeus a blank check to go in and clean house in a second Third-World cesspit.

If he can pull that off, by 2012, no one is going to remember Obama’s name.

logis on June 23, 2010 at 2:28 PM

As much as we might want it, Petraeus doesn’t want to be President. Plus him campaigning against Obama or plotting to win the nomination while still in uniform would make what McChrystal just got canned for small fries.

Illinidiva on June 23, 2010 at 2:36 PM

What has to be respected is the chain of command. And McChrystal never diss’d that. This is all personal.

When a “leader” whines: “You must respect ME,” he loses any potential claim to respect he may have ever had. And, frankly, he probably never had any in the first place.

logis on June 23, 2010 at 2:21 PM

What?

He was insubordinate. Period. No two ways about it. And it should have ended in a court martial, not a resignation.

I personally agree with the statements he made. In fact, I think he just said what 95% of all military forces are thinking.

But it was insubordination and needed to be treated as such. This is a general leading forces in an active military campaign on foreign soil. His remarks were outrageous in that context.

ButterflyDragon on June 23, 2010 at 2:37 PM

Maybe this was the only way he could get a meeting with BO.

txhsmom on June 23, 2010 at 2:27 PM

Via Rolling Stone????

Just…ugh.

Bee on June 23, 2010 at 2:37 PM

Politicizing Cancer, stay classy.

The Race Card on June 23, 2010 at 2:16 PM

Was not. Petraeus passed out. I wanted to know if anyone had heard if he went through a complete physical or just a 15 min checkup. If they did a complete physical they could still be waiting on bloodwork etc.

Funky Chicken- could you explain where you see in that 5 page article that McChrystal undermined McKiernan? Yes, he was on Mullen’s staff but as I read the article it seems to say to me that Mullen and Gates lost confidence in McKiernan- that he wasn’t adept politically with DC, with Afghanis or with NATO.

Now, I don’t know that I agree with the article- he was put in place in Spring 2008 with, according to the article, 30K US troops of which 1/3 were committed to combat. He asked for 30K more but DC wanted him to work NATO over first for more troops, and when that didn’t go well and Obama took over MULLEN and GATES tried to get him to retire, he refused, and Gates fired him.

It doesn’t seem that a year is long enough to make a decision like that after they denied him more troops.

But this means that this will be the 3rd change in 3 years for the top spot in Afghanistan.

journeyintothewhirlwind on June 23, 2010 at 2:37 PM

ButterflyDragon on June 23, 2010 at 2:37 PM

Military opinion (from around the internet) varies as to whether court martial applies.

It was treated as insubordination. In fact Obama made one of the best decisions of his presidency on this one. To my astonishment.

gh on June 23, 2010 at 2:39 PM

OReally?
First question from OReally:
MR. MCChrystal why were you so mean to our grand and glorious leader who is a family loving American doing his best to win a war, stop the dam leak, save our southern shores from a relentless on slaught of evil oil and well meaning Meixican folks looking to improve America. Why were you so mean? why I woulda done whatever you did better than you!

dhunter on June 23, 2010 at 2:30 PM

lol :-) this does sound like O’Reilly 2.0 :-) he might be losing it… must be the age thing, you know…

jimver on June 23, 2010 at 2:39 PM

ButterflyDragon on June 23, 2010 at 2:37 PM

There have been generals who haven’t agreed with the POTUS since the start of this nation. Give it a rest. You obviously didn’t read the RS article… because if you did you would know 1. McC didn’t say anything really wrong 2. the aides said most of it 3. this was ALL while they were in France due to the volcano (remember the volcano) and 4. Obama hand picked this General.

What do you have to say now?

upinak on June 23, 2010 at 2:39 PM

Shows you how far O’Reilly has fallen that many of us think that’s exactly what he’d do. So sad.

TheBigOldDog on June 23, 2010 at 2:32 PM

Ditto that.

Dire Straits on June 23, 2010 at 2:40 PM

jimver on June 23, 2010 at 2:29 PM

This is what any pundits worth their salt should zero in on and saturate the news cycle with – Holbroke and Eikenberry dead wood taking up space in the Obama Administration, and that dead wood can act like tinder….What’s the next political fall out for Obama because of these 2? Obama didn’t need this head ache right now. I remember the book “Imperial Life In the Emerald City” about the embassy in Baghdad during the Bush era…we have something similar going on in Kabul today during the Obama era.

Dr Evil on June 23, 2010 at 2:41 PM

“Whether Obama realizes it or not, he has just given General Patraeus a blank check to go in and clean house in a second Third-World cesspit.”

blank check?

chuckle

Patraeus has been setup to take the fall for Afghanistan. He was a little too populat for the criminals taste.

notagool on June 23, 2010 at 2:41 PM

Yeah, but why did McC shoot himself in the foot in this way? I just don’t get this.

BuckeyeSam on June 23, 2010 at 1:58 PM

What’s not to get? He got exactly what he wanted — out — and made Obama look even more the pathetic fool.

Rae on June 23, 2010 at 2:29 PM

You know, when someone says something to you that is patently insulting and obviously way out there but the speaker appears to actually BELIEVE what they’re saying in accusing you of (whatever), a response is “yeah, you’re RIGHT, I did it, you’re always RIGHT, I DID THAT.”

That response being one of utter sarcasm…

So it just might be that once sent this writer from this noted Leftwing source, and being as observant as I tend to believe McChrystal is, he then responded with, “yeah, you’re RIGHT, you’re ALWAYS RIGHT…”

And enjoyed himself in letting it rip with his one ridicule of Biden (which, in my view, was nothing more than ordinary snarkiness, hardly anything substantial or “violating”).

It just might be that the writer and publication (and whoever arranged this setup) expected to rip-into McChrystal and troops and they were outsmarted. Because who, now, even remotely respects that writer and that publication for running this article? I sure don’t.

Maybe McChrystal just gave them the show they thought they were ripping-off….

Lourdes on June 23, 2010 at 2:41 PM

I believe that this picture sums it all up.

orfannkyl on June 23, 2010 at 2:42 PM

It was treated as insubordination. In fact Obama made one of the best decisions of his presidency on this one. To my astonishment.

gh on June 23, 2010 at 2:39 PM

What decision? To continue being an arse?

Lourdes on June 23, 2010 at 2:43 PM

There have been generals who haven’t agreed with the POTUS since the start of this nation. Give it a rest. You obviously didn’t read the RS article… because if you did you would know 1. McC didn’t say anything really wrong 2. the aides said most of it 3. this was ALL while they were in France due to the volcano (remember the volcano) and 4. Obama hand picked this General.

What do you have to say now?

upinak on June 23, 2010 at 2:39 PM

It was insubordination. Period. What does a volcano have to do with any of this? Who cares why he chose to speak to anyone or allow his staff to carry on with them.

We’re going to safeguard national security with a team that can’t keep their trap shut because of being grounded due to a volcano? WTF would they do under torture from enemy forces? I’m pretty sure that would be much worse than being stuck on a train with a RS reporter.

ButterflyDragon on June 23, 2010 at 2:43 PM

Does this mean the fast food will be back for our soldiers in Afghanistan?

Mark1971 on June 23, 2010 at 2:45 PM

So you think he just resigned by suicide because of his own failures?

TheBigOldDog on June 23, 2010 at 2:33 PM

Not exactly. I think McChrystal thinks that his COIN strategy could work, but that Obama has rendered it unworkable by declaring a pullout from Afghanistan for next summer.

I personally think the COIN strategy has not, can not and will not work. When it implodes Gen. Petraeus will be synonomous with its failure. Neoconservatives will try to blame Obama–good luck making that stick.

aengus on June 23, 2010 at 2:45 PM

ButterflyDragon on June 23, 2010 at 2:43 PM

LMFAO. You obviously don’t know why the RS reporter was actually there longer then he should have been. VOLCANO. But with that said…. you believe whatever you want, as it seems that you didn’t look at the whole story to begin with.

upinak on June 23, 2010 at 2:45 PM

Hastings of course will be deified for years by MSM and Hollyweird. He’ll undoubtedly win a Pulitzer for destroying a natural enemy of the left, there will be a “made for trash TV movie”, and Rolling Paper magazine will sell beaucoup copies of this month’s birdcage liner…complete with media whore Madonna Gaga on the cover.

Yes, the General let the world know what he and staff REALLY think of president panywaist and crew, but at what cost?

Bill O’Rarely-sane will be drooling over this story, pontificating that his boy president rightfully “Trumped” the wayward General.

Have at it, MSM! Excuse me while I tune out.

Sweet_Thang on June 23, 2010 at 2:46 PM

Whoever made the decision to send that writer from that source to McChrystal and troops is the problem and it wasn’t McChrystal who made that decision, it was *someone* in the Pentagon, who was, almost certainly, doing what they were told by the Obama Administration.

Lourdes on June 23, 2010 at 2:35 PM

I agree that it was a bad idea to talk to those people at all, but these people are professionals and they should have known better than to run at the mouth like that.

All of us have had to watch what we say at work, or in front of certain friends or relatives…in order to save ourselves trouble if nothing else. I can not imagine career military people would have been so unguarded in their comments.

Terrye on June 23, 2010 at 2:47 PM

makes ya wonder if we’re going to last long enough to see the Mayan Doomsday in 2012.

petefrt on June 23, 2010 at 2:29 PM

Think of those predictions as an opportunity to expect a vast improvement. Maybe BAD THINGS will pass away on that “Mayan Doomsday” as predicted and all the good things will blossom forth.

It just might mean a change of the real kind, not the phony Obama kind.

Lourdes on June 23, 2010 at 2:47 PM

McChrystal is no dummy, he had to have known what he was saying.

aengus on June 23, 2010 at 2:48 PM

Chances are General Petraeus will soon have the same opinions of Obama’s “Judgment to Lead” that McChrystal did, but he’s smart enough not to divulge them to a lefty rag like the Rolling Stone.

Unless Obama gives Petraeus some latitude to use his own judgment on COIN strategy, Petraeus will soon sound like Bobby Jindal screaming at the Feds for permission to pound sand. At least Petraeus knows whose @$$ to kick.

Steve Z on June 23, 2010 at 2:50 PM

LMFAO. You obviously don’t know why the RS reporter was actually there longer then he should have been. VOLCANO.

What kind of argument is that?

The General and co can behave themselves in front of the press for 2 days, but not for a month? What an insult to the men. Ms. Dowd even thinks you are not giving them enough credit.

The reporter was there too long, so he uh, forced the interviewees to let their guard down. Sorry, not buying that.

Spirit of 1776 on June 23, 2010 at 2:52 PM

I agree that it was a bad idea to talk to those people at all, but these people are professionals and they should have known better than to run at the mouth like that.

Terrye on June 23, 2010 at 2:47 PM

Yes, agreed. My first reaction when hearing about this source of this problematic article was “why did McChrystal agree to the embed?”

But it was agreed to (the embed, the writer from the publication) BY THE PENTAGON. Seems to have been extended to McChrystal (I can only speculate the terms here, so bear with me) but it wasn’t McChrystal’s idea (source, combination of writer and publication).

I blame whoever in the Pentagon (AND in the Obama Administration) who arranged this embed. The publication is the property of a notoriously Leftwing Democrat who is also a hyper-homosexual activist so the “gays serving openly” thing is there and shouldn’t be overlooked as motive (McChrystal opposes it, so does Petraeus but Mullin in the Pentagon doesn’t, so…).

This seems like really tawdry Democrat-Leftwing agitprop to me. Maybe McChrystal was hapless in regards trusting his superior/s to send an embed who was reliable, I can’t say, but the embed and source is the most peculiar of this story, to my way of thinking, particularly due to the animus from the Left to and about our military and Obama’s obsession with Pokeystahhn and the Muslim realm.

Lourdes on June 23, 2010 at 2:52 PM

McChrystal is no dummy, he had to have known what he was saying.

aengus on June 23, 2010 at 2:48 PM

Well yeah and his staff too. These guys are career military, high ranking professionals.

Terrye on June 23, 2010 at 2:52 PM

There’s a stretch. Stay limber.

Cindy Munford on June 23, 2010 at 2:21 PM

Thank you for your input.

The Race Card on June 23, 2010 at 2:53 PM

But it was insubordination and needed to be treated as such. This is a general leading forces in an active military campaign on foreign soil. His remarks were outrageous in that context.

ButterflyDragon on June 23, 2010 at 2:37 PM

Kind of reminds me of what the Dixie Chicks had to say to the world about George Bush. They won a Grammie for their treasonous betrayal!

Sweet_Thang on June 23, 2010 at 2:54 PM

McChrystal is no dummy, he had to have known what he was saying.

aengus on June 23, 2010 at 2:48 PM

What, that he didn’t want to read an email and saying the name, “Biden”?

It was a staff person who responded to “Biden” with “you mean, ‘Bite Me’”.

I agree that the roughhousing there isn’t entirely desirable or acceptable, but it’s hardly worth being fired over or threatened with such. It’s certainly NOT a violatioin of “the chain of command”.

If anything, it’s just snarkiness.

Lourdes on June 23, 2010 at 2:55 PM

Consistency demands that McChrystal loses his command. I don’t care whether or not I agree with his sentiments (I do), but I do care about loyalty and not undermining the chain of command. They may not care about it over at the State Department, but they damn well care about it at the Pentagon.

His replacement, Petraeus, while very welcome, is going to be hard pressed to support a CinC who is not all that excited about the war effort in that part of the world. But support him he will, and with far more professionalism that McChrystal ever could.

As for McChrystal’s future, no huge worries, gang. I am sure that there will be a book down the road, a cable news gig, and lots and lots of speaking engagements, culminating into some teaching post at a decent sized military college.

Meanwhile, the POTUS is still not out of the water. There are other issues of greater importance, and I don’t see him getting out of those problems unscathed. I do continue to see November 2010/2012 in my window, though! ;-)

itzWicks on June 23, 2010 at 2:55 PM

Spirit of 1776 on June 23, 2010 at 2:52 PM

You know what… this doesn’t matter anymore.

The article is a sham. The resignation, well lets be honest, do you really blame him? Petreaus is now in charge of everything, God help the man as that has to be stressful. The oil is now billowing like a smoke stack in the 70′s. And Capt KickAss is still and idiot.

upinak on June 23, 2010 at 2:55 PM

This seems like really tawdry Democrat-Leftwing agitprop to me. Maybe McChrystal was hapless in regards trusting his superior/s to send an embed who was reliable, I can’t say, but the embed and source is the most peculiar of this story, to my way of thinking, particularly due to the animus from the Left to and about our military and Obama’s obsession with Pokeystahhn and the Muslim realm.

Lourdes on June 23, 2010 at 2:52 PM

Well yes, the Pentagon should not have done this…but McChrystal and his people should have known how to handle the situation. You do not climb to his rank without some understanding of politics and the media. There should have been a realization that people watch what they say and they do when these people were around. The whole thing strikes me as bizarre really.

If Obama wanted to get rid of McChrystal or if McChrystal wanted out of this job..there were a lot less embarrassing ways to go about it, for both of them.

Terrye on June 23, 2010 at 2:56 PM

funky chicken on June 23, 2010 at 1:58 PM

Good link. Thanks.

Nichevo on June 23, 2010 at 2:56 PM

McChrystal is no dummy, he had to have known what he was saying.

aengus on June 23, 2010 at 2:48 PM

Well yeah and his staff too. These guys are career military, high ranking professionals.

Terrye on June 23, 2010 at 2:52 PM

I hear they are Transformers. And they wear armor fancied from the All Spark.

:p

Lourdes on June 23, 2010 at 2:56 PM

The resignation, well lets be honest, do you really blame him?

No, indeed I do not. But he created the need for his own resignation, not RS or Obama. The question I would like to know is why.

Spirit of 1776 on June 23, 2010 at 2:58 PM

OReally?
First question from OReally:
MR. MCChrystal why were you so mean to our grand and glorious leader who is a family loving American doing his best to win a war, stop the dam leak, save our southern shores from a relentless on slaught of evil oil and well meaning Meixican folks looking to improve America.
Why were you so mean?
why I woulda done whatever you did better than you!

dhunter on June 23, 2010 at 2:30 PM

You have the guy’s MO down to a tee.

Gang-of-One on June 23, 2010 at 2:59 PM

I wanted to know if anyone had heard if he went through a complete physical or just a 15 min checkup.

Where do you get “15 min checkup?” Where was this reported? Upon what do you even base this arbitrary time limit? The question presumes everybody else to be stupid except for you. You’re looking at the lives of military VIPs through the lens of a commoner. Have you ever run into a general at the grocery store or DMV?

The man was ill. His doctors, his family, his bosses and the man in his mirror all know the risks that come with ever medical event from here throughout the duration of his life.

Your concern though a bit forced, is appreciated I’m sure.

The Race Card on June 23, 2010 at 3:00 PM

It was a staff person who responded to “Biden” with “you mean, ‘Bite Me’”.

I agree that the roughhousing there isn’t entirely desirable or acceptable, but it’s hardly worth being fired over or threatened with such. It’s certainly NOT a violatioin of “the chain of command”.

If anything, it’s just snarkiness.

Lourdes on June 23, 2010 at 2:55 PM

He said Bite Me in front of McChrystal and the reporter as if it were no big deal. That is the problem. McChrystal is responsible for what the staff says. And if that was the only incident like that in the article, I doubt if this would have been such a big deal.

Terrye on June 23, 2010 at 3:03 PM

but McChrystal and his people should have known how to handle the situation. You do not climb to his rank without some understanding of politics and the media. There should have been a realization that people watch what they say and they do when these people were around. The whole thing strikes me as bizarre really.

If Obama wanted to get rid of McChrystal or if McChrystal wanted out of this job..there were a lot less embarrassing ways to go about it, for both of them.

Terrye on June 23, 2010 at 2:56 PM

Naive. Naive. Naive…times three.

They’re human beings. SOMEtimes they trust what they’re told by (drum beat here) the frickin’ Pentagon.

Sent an embed with descriptions and indications of purpose and intent, I’m assuming they believed/relied on those.

That means, when off duty and in Paris with entertainment, somebody is going to say something silly or ridiculous at some point just to cut loose. It’s hardly a big deal that they would.

The article as written focuses nearly “all” that was used to cream McChrystal on that one event (Paris, off duty, drinks, entertainment, relaxation events, casual environment). Then wraps that up in the writer’s disrespectful (and IRRESPONSIBLE) suggestions and allusions to worse-case scenarios…

I read a Newsweek piece last night that interviewed the writer. He is an airhead as to personal responsibility, going so far as to say he writes what he writes (I paraphrase here) and has “no control over” “what” happens with his work after he “sends it out there”…yadda, yadda, yadda, have another toke.

SOME EDITOR AND THE PUBLISHER made a decision to compose that article and publish it. ON the eve of a military campaign. Not an accident, not a coincidence.

The writer bears a big responsibility — which he’s shirked — for composing (rearranging) what he’s wrought and so does the publication (Rolling Stone) and WHY.

The WHYs are easy to guess what with the publication’s obvious history and the publisher’s obvious somewhat cretin goals where the U.S. is concerned (he’s also a big DNC donor) (and I’m sure he’s familiar with Obama and vice-versa, what with the RS cover story about Obama-as-Savior from not so long ago).

Obama needed a way to work around his errors and mistakes where AFghanistan is concerned and this is how it was done.

McChrystal just may have been doing what he was told to do with accepting this embed and then relying on him to actually be reasonable. The Pentagon and Obama Admin. are responsible for the sliming writer, though.

Lourdes on June 23, 2010 at 3:04 PM

upinak on June 23, 2010 at 2:45 PM

My default setting is to side with you on just about all the issues. That said, I am more in the camp with ButterflyDragon on this particular topic.

To the point, if a President Palin had a general whose staff openly mocked and derided her administration, she’d have no choice but to let him go, no matter how good he was.

Consistency demands that the officers of the US Armed Forces execute the lawful orders of the POTUS, and to do so without undermining the leadership, regardless of office holder.

If McChrystal couldn’t do that for Obama (and yes, I know the POTUS handpicked him), he should have resigned sooner, and then held a press conference explaining his actions. If his staff couldn’t do that, he should have isolated the problematic folk and sent them elsewhere.

Regardless, this is a bad day in the war effort, and too many people have forgotten who the real enemy is. *le sigh*

itzWicks on June 23, 2010 at 3:06 PM

This seems like really tawdry Democrat-Leftwing agitprop to me. Maybe McChrystal was hapless in regards trusting his superior/s to send an embed who was reliable, I can’t say, but the embed and source is the most peculiar of this story, to my way of thinking, particularly due to the animus from the Left to and about our military and Obama’s obsession with Pokeystahhn and the Muslim realm.

Lourdes on June 23, 2010 at 2:52 PM

This wasn’t an embed. It was a happenstance caused by a volcano in Iceland, a layover in Paris and Berlin, and a failure of McChrystal’s staff to STFU. They have only themselves to blame.

http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/22/how-did-rolling-stone-get-the-mcchrystal-story-a-volcano-helped/?hp

Nichevo on June 23, 2010 at 3:06 PM

Terrye on June 23, 2010 at 2:56 PM

And the frickin’ TITLE of that Rolling Stone article is: THE RUNAWAY GENERAL.

Now isn’t that a nice, big present for the enemy wrapped up in a pretty Obama bow?

Lourdes on June 23, 2010 at 3:06 PM

This wasn’t an embed. It was a happenstance caused by a volcano in Iceland, a layover in Paris and Berlin, and a failure of McChrystal’s staff to STFU. They have only themselves to blame.

http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/22/how-did-rolling-stone-get-the-mcchrystal-story-a-volcano-helped/?hp

Nichevo on June 23, 2010 at 3:06 PM

I’d laugh but it’s likely what the Left is currently insisting on…

Yes, the writer was an embed. Approved by the Pentagon, arranged by the Pentagon…

Lourdes on June 23, 2010 at 3:07 PM

Who could serve as a general, who actually was skilled and had experience under this pompous jackass?

Hening on June 23, 2010 at 3:07 PM

The Race Card on June 23, 2010 at 3:00 PM

That’s the point. If you google “Petraeus faints at hearing” the article you find say that he/his aides thought he was dehydrated and jetlagged. Nowhere in the articles does it say that after they postponed the hearings that he went and visited a team of doctors and was checked out.

So, what happens if he has a physical now and the doctors find something that makes him undeployable?

journeyintothewhirlwind on June 23, 2010 at 3:07 PM

OReally?
First question from OReally:
MR. MCChrystal why were you so mean to our grand and glorious leader who is a family loving American doing his best to win a war, stop the dam leak, save our southern shores from a relentless on slaught of evil oil and well meaning Meixican folks looking to improve America.
Why were you so mean?
why I woulda done whatever you did better than you!

dhunter on June 23, 2010 at 2:30 PM

Shows you how far O’Reilly has fallen that many of us think that’s exactly what he’d do. So sad.

TheBigOldDog on June 23, 2010 at 2:32 PM

LOL you nailed OREELY right.

Greta:
And coming up, I ask Gen McCrystal a question. What was the question? Was it, Did you sleep 4 hrs today? , no. You’ll never guess the real question. And I won’t tell you the real question til 2 commercials from now.
But first a commercial. But first another teaser.

sigh.

orbitalair on June 23, 2010 at 3:07 PM

He said Bite Me in front of McChrystal and the reporter as if it were no big deal. That is the problem. McChrystal is responsible for what the staff says. And if that was the only incident like that in the article, I doubt if this would have been such a big deal.

Terrye on June 23, 2010 at 3:03 PM

Oh, Mary, Mother of God, he said “Bite Me”.

I’m sure the Left will be having many hut-huts in the coming week trying to determine what Mount on which to crucify the guy.

Lourdes on June 23, 2010 at 3:09 PM

What decision? To continue being an arse?

Lourdes on June 23, 2010 at 2:43 PM

To accept McC’s resignation and not lie about it.

The villain in this piece is rolling stone.

gh on June 23, 2010 at 3:09 PM

Prom Committee Chair fires Varsity Football Captain for comments about color scheme….

jcrue on June 23, 2010 at 3:10 PM

McChrystal is responsible for what the staff says.
Terrye on June 23, 2010 at 3:03 PM

yeah, like he should have slapped him over his mouth or something…whatever happened to individual responsibility…McChrystal is no parental or father figure to his staff and nor he should play one…besides the guy was a civilian, he could say whatever he wants, UCMJ does not apply to civilians…which I guess makes everything more sane in the theatre in Afgh….otherwise, repressing their feelings like that must be hard on those guys there :-)..most of them believe that the civilian leadership in Washington and on the ground are a bunch of idiots, only they can’t say it…I hope they have good shrinks there, help them deal with this constant repression :-)

jimver on June 23, 2010 at 3:11 PM

But he created the need for his own resignation, not RS or Obama. The question I would like to know is why.

Spirit of 1776 on June 23, 2010 at 2:58 PM

That very well might be in the perceptions of some, but it does not remove the issue of lack of personal responsibility from RS, Obama and the writer of the RS piece. Nor from the Pentagon for arranging such a screwy thing in the first place (writer from RS sent off to troops deployed to war, to then have access to the General in command).

Lourdes on June 23, 2010 at 3:12 PM

or is that ‘supression’…whatever, shrink stuff :-)

jimver on June 23, 2010 at 3:12 PM

I’d laugh but it’s likely what the Left is currently insisting on…

Yes, the writer was an embed. Approved by the Pentagon, arranged by the Pentagon…

Lourdes on June 23, 2010 at 3:07 PM

In all likelihood, Team Barry thought that the lefty media outlets like Rolling Stone would be awesomely kind to him because Barry is the Messiah and therefore were more lax at approving the embeds than the Bushies were. They didn’t realize that the lefty reporters are invested in reporting on the next Vietnam. Frankly, if Barry loses Afghanistan, then his reelection chances are dim indeed (See Carter, Jimmah for reference). Americans do not like losing wars.

Illinidiva on June 23, 2010 at 3:14 PM

McCrystal, in my opinion, was saying outloud, to an interviewer, what everyone else was thinking. And I’m sure he wasn’t so naive, or stupid he didn’t know how this would pan out, once it went public. I may be wrong, but I think the man wanted out. Probably figuring, getting out now was far better than putting up with the b.s. from the oval office.

Patraeus on the other hand is a far bigger person than I’d be. After all the crap, accusations, and such he took from Dems, only to come back when asked….says a lot about the man. He’s a great human being, who deserves better than he got from Dems a few years ago.

capejasmine on June 23, 2010 at 3:14 PM

The villain in this piece is rolling stone.

gh on June 23, 2010 at 3:09 PM

I agree with that.

Also whoever in the Pentagon who, with the Obama Administration, made these arrangements. Democrats just cannot be trusted, in my experience, with the military, not in security, not in safety, not in logistics, not in strategy.

But the hysteria-on-hyperdrive that is taking place about what was said by McChrystal AND staff is pitiful. There wasn’t any “violation of the chain of command” and the remarks — even those the writer pumped up with melodrama and “reapplication” — were not those approaching critical.

Lourdes on June 23, 2010 at 3:15 PM

So, what happens if he has a physical now and the doctors find something that makes him undeployable?

journeyintothewhirlwind on June 23, 2010 at 3:07 PM

OReally?

he did have a complete physical apparently and the result were all right…don’t expect now that they put him through CT scan or so (though maybe they did)…more like blood tests, the usual stuff…and they did say that the result came out all right, not sure if I heard that on Fox or read it somewhere…it I find the link will post it here…

jimver on June 23, 2010 at 3:17 PM

In all likelihood, Team Barry thought that the lefty media outlets like Rolling Stone would be awesomely kind to him because Barry is the Messiah and therefore were more lax at approving the embeds than the Bushies were. They didn’t realize that the lefty reporters are invested in reporting on the next Vietnam. Frankly, if Barry loses Afghanistan, then his reelection chances are dim indeed (See Carter, Jimmah for reference). Americans do not like losing wars.

Illinidiva on June 23, 2010 at 3:14 PM

There is also the keen possibility that Obama wants that outcome and thus, embraces those sources among his own kind (Rolling Stone who thinks he’s Messiah, etc.).

Americans don’t like losing wars, you are right, but the Left isn’t generally among those Americans who care, but oftentimes, appears to actually want us to lose. In the case of Vietnam, they did (the Left did). In the case of Iran/Iraq/Middle East, they do and have for a while now. IN the case of Afghanistan, I’ve never found Obama’s “attitude” of “war” to be reliable because he seems more concerned with protecting Islam and Pokeystahhn than anything else — and that’d mean the U.S. would need to be wonky in military matters in Afghanistan.

Lourdes on June 23, 2010 at 3:18 PM

My guess is that McChyrstal said what he said because he wanted to be fired. Now Petraeus will be left holding the can for the disastrous COIN strategy.

aengus on June 23, 2010 at 2:31 PM

I agree, this was McCryrstral’s exit strategy to avoid being the fall guy in a war that is not winnable with Obama in charge. It is unfortunate that Petraeus got stuck with the problem and the potention “fall guy” position. I doubt that even he can pull it off under the circumstances.

duff65 on June 23, 2010 at 3:19 PM

Lourdes on June 23, 2010 at 3:12 PM

Sure. All parties have responsibility.

RS’s punishment comes in the market (subscriptions etc) and willingness of the Pentagon to allow them interviews in the future.

Obama’s punishment will be in the polls and the mid-terms.

McChystal’s, obviously, is the quickest because of the nature of his job.

Spirit of 1776 on June 23, 2010 at 3:20 PM

orbitalair on June 23, 2010 at 3:07 PM
No sheit I sat through three commercials after a teaser on the Local news the other night while my wife and kid left the room.
Waiting on a local story where they did the same next up routine,
then cut away to national dorks,
then next up oopppps commmericial first,
next up then finally at the end of three.
No wonder I get my news here on the net. I’m gettin too old for these preeners and posuers and
my kid he’s like hell no if its’ not on the net
or facebook its’ not news
and I’m not watchin three commercials and listenin to the a$$hat liar in the White House spew forth like an oil leak before I get the news..

dhunter on June 23, 2010 at 3:25 PM

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