McChrystal: “I’ve compromised the mission”; Update: McChrystal misses strategy session? Update: “We are so screwed”

posted at 9:30 am on June 23, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Will General Stanley McChrystal keep his job or won’t he?  And what will that say about the Obama administration either way?  We will have to wait until after a mid-morning tete-a-tete between the theater commander and his Commander-in-Chief this morning, but that won’t keep people from reading the tea leaves.  Jake Tapper reports on McChrystal’s efforts to show remorse in an attempt to keep his job:

During his round of phone calls to top officials of the Obama administration whom he and his team disparaged to a Rolling Stone reporter, Gen. Stanley McChrystal said, “I’ve compromised the mission,” a senior administration source tells ABC News.

Whether he did so irrevocably is at the top of the agenda in his Oval Office meeting with President Obama this morning. The president will press him as to what he was thinking and whether he still has the ability to serve as commander of 100,000 US troops in Afghanistan after making remarks about the president and his national security team that the general could use to justifiably fire any of his underlings if they were made about him.

Tapper also points out the Catch-22 of making a show of abject humility:

But if McChrystal by his own admission has compromised the mission, where does that leave him?

It’s a good question.  If McChrystal is perceived to have fouled up the mission, he will return in a weakened position, somewhat the same as McChrystal described Richard Holbrooke’s situation in that Rolling Stone interview.  Hamid Karzai yesterday issued a strong statement of support for McChrystal, calling him the best American commander in the last nine years in Afghanistan.  Will his NATO colleagues feel the same, especially the French, whose social and diplomatic efforts were derided by McChrystal’s team in the article as “f***ing gay”?  Or will he be seen as too tightly leashed to the White House now for any reliable independent judgment?

Barack Obama may have another problem on his hands — his own party.  According to Ben Smith at Politico on Twitter, Democrats are telling him sotto voce that keeping McChrystal in place would make Obama another Jimmy Carter.  And then there’s this from Dana Milbank at the Washington Post:

Only two words were missing from this disembowelment of the commander: You’re fired. Gibbs hinted that Obama would deliver that message to McChrystal in person on Wednesday. If he doesn’t, it’s hard to see how he can maintain his credibility as a leader.

Even before the quotes in the Rolling Stone article (the accuracy of which McChrystal hasn’t challenged), the commander in chief had surprised foes and worried friends by how far he allowed himself to be pushed. That accounts for an Washington Post-ABC News poll earlier this month finding that 57 percent of respondents viewed Obama as a strong leader and 43 percent did not; 14 months ago, it was 77 percent to 22 percent.

On the Hill, Democrats have ignored White House pleas for party unity, and intraparty disputes are preventing action on the budget, war spending, job creation, immigration reform and energy legislation. In the media, stalwart allies such as MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow panned Obama’s speech on the Gulf of Mexico oil spill. Obama’s own secretary of state, Hillary Rodham Clinton, told the world about his unannounced plan to file suit over Arizona’s new immigration law.

Republicans, in turn, have reached new levels of presidential disrespect. After Obama pushed BP to set aside money for those hurt by the oil spill, the opposition apologized — to BP. Jon Kyl (Ariz.), the No. 2 Republican in the Senate, took the extraordinary step of attacking Obama at a political rally over comments he says (and the White House denies) the president made in a private meeting.

OMG!!!  Republicans criticized the President!  It’s a “new level of presidential disrespect,” but only if you were in a coma from 2000-2009.  The meeting between Kyl and Obama may not have had the press in the room, but Kyl has no requirement to consider Obama’s statements on policy as off the record.  Note also that Milbank doesn’t mention the fact that John McCain — hardly a foe of comprehensive immigration reform — corroborated Kyl’s statement.  Milbank seems to be in the middle of a hysterical meltdown over the fact that people don’t much like Obama or the job he’s doing, and suddenly after eight years of people deriding George Bush as a chimp, another Hitler, an idiot, and a corruptocrat, Milbank is shocked, shocked to hear disagreement on policy and considers it the nadir of public discourse.

The President’s party will write him off as a leader if he doesn’t cashier McChrystal.  Will that make any difference in Obama’s decision-making process?  I’d say no, especially since these are mainly the same people who don’t want us to stay in Afghanistan anyway.  That doesn’t mean that Obama won’t fire McChrystal, either, but either way Obama will pay a political price.

The issue will probably come down to how true McChrystal’s admission is.  If he has really compromised the mission, then it’s time to go, and McChrystal should resign instead of forcing Obama to fire him.  If Obama thinks McChrystal’s doing a good job (which is hotly debated at the moment anyway) and feels he can continue to work with the commander even after the childish and reprehensible remarks McChrystal and his team felt comfortable making in public, then Obama will probably stick with him.  I predict that McChrystal returns to Afghanistan, if for no other reason than to avoid another confirmation hearing on his replacement and the questions that will arise from it.

Update: Jules Crittenden says this is Obama’s chance to finally become a war President rather than a wartime President.  Be sure to read it all.

Update II: Wire services now report that McChrystal left the White House at 10:30 ET, and apparently did not return for an 11:30 ET strategy session on the war.  That looks as though McChrystal got his walking papers.

Update III: That appears to be the analysis of McChrystal’s supporters at the Pentagon, according to McClatchy:

The mood among McChrystal’s supporters at the Pentagon as he walked out the White House was despondent, especially given the relatively short length of his meeting with the president. Some then began questioning whether the military can succeed in Afghanistan. Many here were convinced that McChrystal was irreplaceable and one of the best counterinsurgency experts the military has. “We are screwed,” said one military officer, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the highly sensitive nature of the developments, as he watched the images of McChrystal leaving the White House. “We are so screwed.”

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Republicans, in turn, have reached new levels of presidential disrespect. After Obama pushed BP to set aside money for those hurt by the oil spill, the opposition apologized — to BP.

If that counts as new levels of presidential disrespect, what was it when Rep. Pelosi and her delegation went to Iran and met with Mamoud?

Treason?

JadeNYU on June 23, 2010 at 12:42 PM

They’ll let us know McChrystal’s fate after they announce it on foreign television.

aero on June 23, 2010 at 12:42 PM

forcing Obama out of Afghanistan (read between the lines).

gh on June 23, 2010 at 12:29 PM

And throw the Military baby out with the bathwater.

maverick muse on June 23, 2010 at 12:42 PM

Of course we are screwed. That’s Obamas plan all along.The same with the oil disaster.

sandee on June 23, 2010 at 12:42 PM

“We are so screwed.”

been feeling that way since jan 2009

cmsinaz on June 23, 2010 at 12:44 PM

–And that’s why your PAOs should generally demand to see articles. Companies have the same concern you (collectively) do–reporters trying to paint the companies in a bad light. And that’s why they demand this.

Jimbo3 on June 23, 2010 at 12:36 PM

No, this is an example of why we should no longer allow civilian reporters in the field with Soldiers and Marines. Their only purpose has been demonstrated to undermine the mission and provide OSI (Open Source Intelligence) to the enemy, as well as provide propaganda platforms for the enemy. If they want reporters in the field with the troops each branch of the forces has their own correspondents. The LEC (Liberal Entertainment Complex) can cry that they’re being shut out, all they want, or “censorship”, but I really don’t care, and the DOD/CINC shouldn’t, either. Any civilian reporters caught on the battlefield need to be detained by military personnel to be turned over to/apprehended by Military Police, processed, then interrogated by CID and MI (Military Intelligence) or the DIA (Defense Intelligence Agency). If they’ve been found associating with terrorists (embedding with them), they should be criminally charged for aiding and abetting terror.

Virus-X on June 23, 2010 at 12:44 PM

Virus-X on June 23, 2010 at 12:37 PM

I’ve flown your guys all last year (Ozzie74), so you don’t have to apologize to me me for anything. I understand the strong feelings because I’ve seen what your command tried to do over there and we appreciated being a part of it. There’s not a comment of yours I can disagree with on this thread.

But, if you ever get a chance to exchange with Cindy again, I’m sure she’d like to know it was a misunderstanding. And maybe a thanks for her suport to us.

hawkdriver on June 23, 2010 at 12:45 PM

man the msm are just on pins and needles…what did dear leader decide? did he take the resignation or fire him?

cmsinaz on June 23, 2010 at 12:46 PM

“We are screwed,” said one military officer

“Since day one, baby!”

- BHO

red winger on June 23, 2010 at 12:46 PM

Speedwagon82 on June 23, 2010 at 12:20 PM

Although I would love to hear the rationale for his vote for The Won over Sen. McCain, I have to care about him, he has a lot of lives in his charge.

Cindy Munford on June 23, 2010 at 12:46 PM

Many here were convinced that McChrystal was irreplaceable and one of the best counterinsurgency experts the military has. “We are screwed,” said one military officer, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the highly sensitive nature of the developments, as he watched the images of McChrystal leaving the White House. “We are so screwed.”

So Flat Stanley had himself a regular cult of personality going, huh? Sorry, but the proof’s in the pudding, and since McChrystal took over things have gone from bad to worse over there.

funky chicken on June 23, 2010 at 12:47 PM

“We are so screwed.”

Have been since Capt KickAss was elected.

upinak on June 23, 2010 at 12:47 PM

forcing Obama out of Afghanistan (read between the lines).

gh on June 23, 2010 at 12:29 PM

And throw the Military baby out with the bathwater.

maverick muse on June 23, 2010 at 12:42 PM

I just can’t buy that Rolling Stone Magazine has that kind of Power not something I can wrap my head around. Especially given the cover of this issue with the Runaway General Article in it. It’s a photo of Lady GaGa holding machine guns. Yeah RS should really be in charge of our Wars/SARC.

Dr Evil on June 23, 2010 at 12:48 PM

funky chicken on June 23, 2010 at 12:47 PM

Capt KickAss put him in that position. Who is really to blame? Think about it.

upinak on June 23, 2010 at 12:48 PM

hawkdriver on June 23, 2010 at 12:26 PM

Thank you but I was just a lucky participant of upinak’s idea.

Cindy Munford on June 23, 2010 at 12:49 PM

Dr Evil on June 23, 2010 at 12:48 PM

I was discussing the MSM fantasy world … but Obama may be capable of bringing their fantasies to life.

gh on June 23, 2010 at 12:50 PM

Have been since Capt KickAss was elected.

upinak on June 23, 2010 at 12:47 PM

Yep , nothing new.

the_nile on June 23, 2010 at 12:50 PM

Look at how organized the trolls are on all the internet blogs, heaping abuse on McChrystal. Look at how organized the media fire storm has been, all targeting McChrystal, fueled by leaks from the White House.

How can an average person verify any of the assertions being repeated, and repeated, and repeated in the media and on the blogs, all of one mind. No criticism of Obama, very little support for McChrystal and the counter insurgency tactics.

Obama has build up public opinion for the abandonment of Afghanistan. It never was about winning, it was, and always has been about getting out.

Skandia Recluse on June 23, 2010 at 12:50 PM

There was not a single quote from the General attacking Obama, and yet everywhere I look, including here, there are people saying he did question Obama’s authority, and/or insult him.–VirusX

It’s called Whole Cloth, and Obama holds the monopoly on it.

maverick muse on June 23, 2010 at 12:40 PM

Yeah, yeah. I know. It’s just so utterly and completely pathetic. This thin-skinned dictator that has made a career on lying, that’s founded his presidential regime on lying, once he’s confronted, completely loses it. This was such an obvious hit-job. Rolling Stone has provided him the means to get revenge on the general that had the audacity to actually say that the Dalai Obama had just left him in Afghanistan and didn’t even bother to check on the war’s progress, or contact him, personally.

I see that Rolling Stone failed to bring that up.

And there are plenty of off-color quotes from Obama.

Virus-X on June 23, 2010 at 12:51 PM

dear leader will make his pronouncement at 1:30…

cmsinaz on June 23, 2010 at 12:52 PM

This is the cover of Rolling Stone issue, that has the print article.
Describing this cover really doesn’t do it justice :)

Dr Evil on June 23, 2010 at 12:53 PM

Sorry, but the proof’s in the pudding, and since McChrystal took over things have gone from bad to worse over there.

Hey – it’s Obama’s plan, not McChrystal’s.

McChrystal was just following the Administration’s orders over there.

Right? That’s how the command structure works. Obama can sack any military member he wants, and the American public can sack Obama if they don’t approve of his handling of the military.

Good Lt on June 23, 2010 at 12:53 PM

Virus-X on June 23, 2010 at 12:51 PM

You do realize you are argueing t=with the same people who SUPPORT the military…. don’t you?

Stop and think about it before going off.

upinak on June 23, 2010 at 12:53 PM

Obama has build up public opinion for the abandonment of Afghanistan. It never was about winning, it was, and always has been about getting out.

Skandia Recluse on June 23, 2010 at 12:50 PM

That’s why McCrhystal had to do this. He forced Obama to own it fully.

the_nile on June 23, 2010 at 12:53 PM

Thank you but I was just a lucky participant of upinak’s idea.

Cindy Munford on June 23, 2010 at 12:49 PM

To upinak and all the care package crew, we still love you.

(I still haven’t figured out all the puzzles)

hawkdriver on June 23, 2010 at 12:54 PM

Thank you but I was just a lucky participant of upinak’s idea.

Cindy Munford on June 23, 2010 at 12:49 PM

And I appreciated all that helped in the “idea”. It was a group effort.

upinak on June 23, 2010 at 12:54 PM

hawkdriver on June 23, 2010 at 12:26 PM

Ditto.

a capella on June 23, 2010 at 12:54 PM

And that’s why your PAOs should generally demand to see articles. Companies have the same concern you (collectively) do–reporters trying to paint the companies in a bad light. And that’s why they demand this.

Jimbo3 on June 23, 2010 at 12:36 PM
No, this is an example of why we should no longer allow civilian reporters in the field with Soldiers and Marines. Their only purpose has been demonstrated to undermine the mission and provide OSI (Open Source Intelligence) to the enemy, as well as provide propaganda platforms for the enemy. If they want reporters in the field with the troops each branch of the forces has their own correspondents. The LEC (Liberal Entertainment Complex) can cry that they’re being shut out, all they want, or “censorship”, but I really don’t care, and the DOD/CINC shouldn’t, either. Any civilian reporters caught on the battlefield need to be detained by military personnel to be turned over to/apprehended by Military Police, processed, then interrogated by CID and MI (Military Intelligence) or the DIA (Defense Intelligence Agency). If they’ve been found associating with terrorists (embedding with them), they should be criminally charged for aiding and abetting terror.

Virus-X on June 23, 2010 at 12:44 PM

–Hasn’t the US military been allowing embedded reporters now for about 10 years with the idea being that it’s better to have accurate information out in the public (other than a few pieces of information that would compromise missions) rather than having the public have inaccurate and probably biased information from other sources? I think, especially now with the internet, that we’d be better off providing information rather than allowing others to fill the information vaccuum.

Jimbo3 on June 23, 2010 at 12:54 PM

To upinak and all the care package crew, we still love you.

(I still haven’t figured out all the puzzles)

hawkdriver on June 23, 2010 at 12:54 PM

Hawky

I told you in here I would send packages. I had those who wanted to send packages email me. Gave them a list and let it go only coming together as a huge collective for your Christmas. :) Glad you and the guys liked it and appreciated it. I know Cindy, Lady and the other who helped enjoyed it too.

upinak on June 23, 2010 at 12:56 PM

it’s an old trick: make job consditions so intolerable that the person you want outy quits.

this is basically what happened: mcchrystal’s views re the obama team were right on.

hje wanted this message to get out, and this was the only way it woudln;t seem like sour grapes.

reliapundit on June 23, 2010 at 12:56 PM

hawkdriver on June 23, 2010 at 12:54
upinak on June 23, 2010 at 12:54 PM
Cindy Munford on June 23, 2010 at 12:49 PM
PM

Please let me second hawkdriver’s appreciation to both of you.

I must confess that until a couple of weeks ago, when I saw it spelled out, I thought ‘upinak’ was an inuit word ;-(

gh on June 23, 2010 at 12:57 PM

Jimbo3 on June 23, 2010 at 12:54 PM

Not just anyone is allowed to embed. They’re even screened for physical fitness. And the PAO still is supposed to keep track of them. If they cross a line, they’re gone.

hawkdriver on June 23, 2010 at 12:57 PM

NRO:

Obama to make Rose Garden statement on McChrystal at 1:30 PM EDT.

Wethal on June 23, 2010 at 12:57 PM

If you look at the RS cover scroll down the left side “Obama’s General Why He Is Losing The War” That sounds all kinds of objective LOL!

I can read the headlines now Obama takes cues on Afghan War Strategy, from Rolling Stone magazine.

Dr Evil on June 23, 2010 at 12:57 PM

Get ready for the inevitable “Obama takes charge” and “Obama shows toughness” headlines. It will be sickening to watch.

JohnInCA on June 23, 2010 at 12:58 PM

Wethal on June 23, 2010 at 12:57 PM

I can’t believe that D Foster is still hedging on the outcome.

gh on June 23, 2010 at 12:59 PM

upinak on June 23, 2010 at 12:56 PM

You guys were great. Are we all wed-i-fied yet?

hawkdriver on June 23, 2010 at 12:59 PM

Well, looks like McChrystal is gone then. I wonder how many months it will take Obama to find a replacement.

AUINSC on June 23, 2010 at 12:59 PM

Oh goody, We get to hear Obama in the rose garden. How classy. Will he need his teleprompters to say “You’re fired!”

sandee on June 23, 2010 at 1:00 PM

You guys were great. Are we all wed-i-fied yet?

hawkdriver on June 23, 2010 at 12:59 PM

Friday is the wedding. :)

upinak on June 23, 2010 at 1:00 PM

Sorry, but the proof’s in the pudding, and since McChrystal took over things have gone from bad to worse over there.

Hey – it’s Obama’s plan, not McChrystal’s.

McChrystal was just following the Administration’s orders over there.

Right? That’s how the command structure works. Obama can sack any military member he wants, and the American public can sack Obama if they don’t approve of his handling of the military.

Good Lt on June 23, 2010 at 12:53 PM

I’m with the Good Lt. McChrystal asked a minimum of 40K troops, Obama reluctantly finally gave him half of what was spartanly required to accomplish what Obama ordered of McChrystal.

McChrystal drew the legitimate line privately within ranks through the military hierarchy from the onset.

I’m also with Fred Thompson. Things have come to a head and there’s no way that McChrystal got snookered into saying squat for Rolling Stone. But if this is how things must play out, Obama is forced to reveal himself as the loser in charge.

maverick muse on June 23, 2010 at 1:01 PM

Obama’s latest directive to have Rolling Stone journalist join him in “War Room” brainstorming Afghanistan strategy. To the beat of Lady Gaga’s Bad Romance.

That’s what we have here btw Obama and McChrystal…a Bad Romance.

Dr Evil on June 23, 2010 at 1:01 PM

gh on June 23, 2010 at 12:57 PM

LOL.. it happens.

upinak on June 23, 2010 at 1:01 PM

JohnInCA on June 23, 2010 at 12:58 PM

But we know exactly what’s been going on in this case … and this should have negative consequences for his popularity with the squishes.

gh on June 23, 2010 at 1:01 PM

Everyone take care.

Must…hit…golfballs…

hawkdriver on June 23, 2010 at 1:02 PM

And there are plenty of off-color quotes from Obama.

Virus-X on June 23, 2010 at 12:51 PM

No doubt.
Closer to home, Blago revealed an “off color” prize; Obama refused to support another black politician.

maverick muse on June 23, 2010 at 1:03 PM

When does McChrystal get a prime time show on Fox?

faraway on June 23, 2010 at 1:03 PM

Good Lt on June 23, 2010 at 12:53 PM

Nope–read this article to get the background. You see McChrystal sniping at McKiernan from the Pentagon, and influencing Mullen and Gates there in DC…then he gets the job he wrangled for, and sucks wind.

McKiernan was a soldier’s general. McChrystal? dunno…

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/16/AR2009081602304_4.html?sid=ST2009081700748

funky chicken on June 23, 2010 at 1:03 PM

Since I hadn’t read the article, all i did was joke yesterday. Well, I have had it read to me and all I heaard was some “frat boy” nonsense.

A lot more puerile than I would expect on that level but firing a general officer? I would be ashamed to have my guys treat a superior like that but this fuss is excessive. Sheeeshhhhh..

They can remake Seven Days in May but instead of an ultra right wing coup d’etat, they can do plot around some soldiers trying to get through a war without letting anyone discover the truth about the CIC. Nmaely, that He is not perfect.

Sort of like Weekend at Bernie’s but with the stiff connoted in another definition of the term.

IlikedAUH2O on June 23, 2010 at 1:04 PM

Ed’s made a 3rd update to the post … the pentagon is not taking this well.

gh on June 23, 2010 at 1:04 PM

On the bright side I am happy for McChrystal, they can’t scape goat him now….when things go south in Afghanistan, the reason for his resignation will be because of Rolling Stone Magazine article with what 2 quotes from him? Taking cues on our foreign policy from Rolling Stone magazine, That’s so professional and sh1t.

Dr Evil on June 23, 2010 at 1:04 PM

“We are so screwed.”

I”m only surprised that there isn’t a explicative adverb in there.

Count to 10 on June 23, 2010 at 1:04 PM

Virus-X on June 23, 2010 at 12:37 PM

I was obviously less then clear and have misunderstood comments myself. Obviously I have a history that you were unaware of and I took for granted.

Cindy Munford on June 23, 2010 at 1:04 PM

Jimbo3 on June 23, 2010 at 12:54 PM
Not just anyone is allowed to embed. They’re even screened for physical fitness. And the PAO still is supposed to keep track of them. If they cross a line, they’re gone.

hawkdriver on June 23, 2010 at 12:57 PM

–Isn’t the line that they can’t provide detailed information like troop position/strength, future missions or other things that could compromise the troops and the mission? Sounds like that’s a good compromise to me, but you’ve got more experience.

Jimbo3 on June 23, 2010 at 1:05 PM

Just why have things gone from bad to worse? Could it be these stupid-ass rules of engagement? You don’t win military conflicts with kid gloves. The muslims started the whole mess from there and now we can’t do anything about their escalation. Grow, grow, grow your poppies. Hide behind your children and we’ll just show a compassionate response and give wikileak a spot in the organization along with Al Jazeera, that’s the ticket. And then there seems to be a problem with Obamaniac’s connection with his muslim brothers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#t=28

LarryG on June 23, 2010 at 1:05 PM

hawkdriver on June 23, 2010 at 1:02 PM

Have fun!

Cindy Munford on June 23, 2010 at 1:05 PM

Oh goody, We get to hear Obama in the rose garden. How classy. Will he need his teleprompters to say “You’re fired!”

sandee on June 23, 2010 at 1:00 PM

Caught this one before I checked out. That would be a great political cartoon. Two teleprompters, each with one of the two words.

Prayers to General McChrystal and those still deployed.

Bad times.

hawkdriver on June 23, 2010 at 1:06 PM

I’ve flown your guys all last year (Ozzie74), so you don’t have to apologize to me me for anything. I understand the strong feelings because I’ve seen what your command tried to do over there and we appreciated being a part of it. There’s not a comment of yours I can disagree with on this thread.

But, if you ever get a chance to exchange with Cindy again, I’m sure she’d like to know it was a misunderstanding. And maybe a thanks for her suport to us.

hawkdriver on June 23, 2010 at 12:45 PM

Thanks, I’ll start the process with her. As for McChrystal, while I respect his apparently phenomenal work with JSOC killing terrorists, but his hand in the coverup of Ranger Tillman’s death should’ve been the tolling of the bell for his career. Seeing as to how it wasn’t, though, these attacks spearheaded by this Rolling Stone hack are completely baseless. In fact, win, lose or draw, Stan McChrystal ought to be looking into pursuing legal action against the reporter, personally, and his hack rag of a magazine, for defamation. No, sorry: CRIMINAL defamation and libel. Not only did their rag possibly cost him his job, but it may’ve literally succeeded in doing what al-Qaeda and the Taliban have been trying to do for years: destructively undermine US forces. The transition period could result in confusion, aimlessness and a near-certain drop in troop morale across BOTH theaters (Afghanistan and IRAQ), which will almost inevitably result in the loss of groundfighting Soldiers and Marines, Airmen, Sailors and even civilians; not to mention emboldening the enemy by bolstering their morale. This is why we need to return to some of the methodologies of World War 2: reporters that did things like this would have a very bleak future, back then. If anybody should be getting called into the president’s office and testifying before joint sessions of Congress, it’s this lying weasel reporter, his editor, the editor-in-chief, and the Rolling Stone Board of Directors. Maybe it’s time they do another story about Guantanamo Bay, but from a different perspective.

Virus-X on June 23, 2010 at 1:06 PM

This is great cover for the 33% home sales plunge and the ObamaSludge creeping toward your favorite beach.

look… a squirrel

faraway on June 23, 2010 at 1:06 PM

“We are so screwed.”

I bought that tshirt just before the election.

crosspatch on June 23, 2010 at 1:06 PM

Jimbo3 on June 23, 2010 at 1:05 PM

Nope, that’s the official line. I’m sure you can find some who claim they got the boot for opinion though.

Now…

Must…Hit…GOLFBALLS

hawkdriver on June 23, 2010 at 1:07 PM

hawkdriver on June 23, 2010 at 1:07 PM

Fore!

cmsinaz on June 23, 2010 at 1:08 PM

I agree Hawk, May God bless and keep our brave military and their families.

sandee on June 23, 2010 at 1:09 PM

ugh. what a freakin’ day….

ted c on June 23, 2010 at 1:10 PM

Hope somebody has a direct line to General Mattis and is preparing to use it. Let him know there is a job opening he might be interested in.

joewm315 on June 23, 2010 at 1:11 PM

LarryG on June 23, 2010 at 1:05 PM

In his first two months on the job, McChrystal has moved with alacrity to shift the focus of U.S. and NATO troops from chasing the Taliban to protecting cities and towns, reasoning that expanding areas of population security would have greater impact on the insurgency than a series of raids. But there is also a recognition in McChrystal’s headquarters that McKiernan had made valuable contributions: The troops he asked for are now central to counterinsurgency operations in southern Afghanistan. McKiernan also set in motion changes in training Afghan security forces that McChrystal plans to continue.

Soon after arriving in Kabul, McChrystal issued a “tactical directive” to all forces under his command: The use of airstrikes on housing compounds, which have caused hundreds of civilian casualties since 2001 and stoked deep anger among Afghans, would be restricted to the most clear and critical cases.

McChrystal said bombs could be dropped only when solid intelligence showed that high-level militants were present or U.S. forces were in imminent danger. He made it clear he would rather allow a few rank-and-file Taliban fighters to get away than to flatten a house whose occupants might include women and children.

funky chicken on June 23, 2010 at 1:11 PM

McKiernan was a soldier’s general. McChrystal? dunno…

McKiernan was removed by the Obama Administration and replaced with McChrystal, so that, too, is Obama’s fault.

All accounts I’ve read regarding McChrystal from soldiers that served with him have been positive – according to them, he’s respected, experienced and doesn’t take kindly to dithering and pussy-footing when his troops are in harm’s way. He’s been called a “warrior.”

Sorry if that’s a little too hot for Mr. Obama.

Good Lt on June 23, 2010 at 1:11 PM

Jimbo3 on June 23, 2010 at 1:05 PM
Nope, that’s the official line. I’m sure you can find some who claim they got the boot for opinion though.

Now…

Must…Hit…GOLFBALLS

hawkdriver on June 23, 2010 at 1:07 PM

–Have a great game. Try to keep cool if you’re in FL or elsewhere in the South.

Jimbo3 on June 23, 2010 at 1:12 PM

“We are so screwed.”

Understatements are indignant.

Schadenfreude on June 23, 2010 at 1:14 PM

Jimbo3 on June 23, 2010 at 1:12 PM

N.C.

Cindy Munford on June 23, 2010 at 1:14 PM

Obama and his to claim he’s Truman, in 3, 2, 1…

Schadenfreude on June 23, 2010 at 1:15 PM

ugh. what a freakin’ day….

ted c on June 23, 2010 at 1:10 PM

I don’t know, if The President fired him….he just provided the right with a whole bunch of ammo…

Some of that “ammo” being used and typed up right now as I type this, waiting to pull the trigger right after the President’s announcement. The Blogsphere is getting ready to light up, I should probably write something myself.

I like what I typed above, Idealogs Won The Day But Not The War….that might make a good title. Just spit ballin ;)

Dr Evil on June 23, 2010 at 1:15 PM

–Hasn’t the US military been allowing embedded reporters now for about 10 years with the idea being that it’s better to have accurate information out in the public (other than a few pieces of information that would compromise missions) rather than having the public have inaccurate and probably biased information from other sources? I think, especially now with the internet, that we’d be better off providing information rather than allowing others to fill the information vaccuum.

Jimbo3 on June 23, 2010 at 12:54 PM

Only problem is that some of the embedded “reporters” have an agenda.

In October of 2008, the son of a friend of mine was killed in Afghanistan by a roadside IED. A British “reporter” named Nick Meo was an embed with the unit, and his “reporting” of this deadly attack was despicable.

…On top, manning the heavy machine-gun, with his head poking out of the vehicle’s hatch, was Scott Dimond, a 39-year-old father of four. I didn’t talk to him before we set off, which in a way I am now grateful for. Less than an hour later he was dead…

Meo then went on to film the dead and dying, despite being asked by the soldiers he was embedded with not to.

You can educate yourself about Meo’s disgraceful behavior here:

http://frontlineclub.com/blogs/danielbennett/2008/11/telegraph-journalist-nick-meo-vs-milbloggers-a-summary.html

Del Dolemonte on June 23, 2010 at 1:19 PM

Maybe I’m crazy, but I think that this is the outcome McChrystal wanted — consciously or subconsciouly. Here’s why:

(1) The war isn’t going well. Obama, Eikenberry and Holbrooke are not giving McChrystal the support he needs. Obama is already planning to pull-out at least partially next year, which will start a death spiral in Afghanistan. The war will be lost, and McChrystal, if he stayed, would have to oversee the loss.
(2) To absolve Obama of responsibility, the left will spin the loss as an inevitable failure (“Afghanistan is the graveyard of empires . . . “) and, in particular, as a failure of McChrystal’s counter-insurgency strategy. (They will claim that “Obama gave him everything he asked for …” even though it is not true.)
(3) If McChrystal simply quit, he’d be viewed as, well, a quitter, and as abandoning his men who are still stuck in the field and dying. Quitting was probably not an option in McChrystal’s mind. But being fired was.
(4) Perhaps it was calculated. Or perhaps, as McChrystal’s frustration, disillusionment, and despair grew, he just didn’t care anymore what Washington thought, and subconsciouly wanted to be sacked. If he was fired for expressing his frustration at not being given the tools to win, then he wouldn’t be a quitter, would not have failed, and would not have abandoned his men. It would all be Washington’s fault, and he would be akin to a whistleblower.
(5) If McChrystal didn’t want to get fired, he knew better than to mock (and to allow his men to mock) the civilian chain of command. There is no plausible explanation for the incredible lapse of protocol other than that this is the result he wanted. A general doesn’t say the commander-in-chief was “intimidated,” “unprepared” and “disengaged” without expecting to be cashiered.

So, now, when the war is lost, Stan McChrystal will be in private life, and can go on talk shows to help write history. He can say “I told you so,” “they should have followed my advice,” and “I could have prevented this.” He won’t be a quitter. In his mind at least, he’ll be a military man who, like MacArthur, was over-ruled by the fools on the hill. And that will be much more pleasant than being the commander when the last helicopter leaves the embassy roof.

SwampYankee on June 23, 2010 at 1:22 PM

McChrystal is now relieved of his command according to the AP.

The guy had plenty of chances despite doing this sort of thing in the past. His general plan will likely stay in place but it has not gone well so far.

lexhamfox on June 23, 2010 at 1:23 PM

–Hasn’t the US military been allowing embedded reporters now for about 10 years with the idea being that it’s better to have accurate information out in the public (other than a few pieces of information that would compromise missions) rather than having the public have inaccurate and probably biased information from other sources? I think, especially now with the internet, that we’d be better off providing information rather than allowing others to fill the information vaccuum.

Jimbo3 on June 23, 2010 at 12:54 PM

And what accurate information has the civilian LEC (Liberal Entertainment Complex) provided? Would that be the fact that no WMD were found in Iraq, when, in fact, they were (http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/Iraq_WMD_Declassified.pdf)? Or maybe the accurate information on how the both the first and second battles of Fallujah went, in which they claimed the US lost, and were guilty of widespread atrocities? Maybe the lies about Soldiers and Marines slaughtering civilians? Or maybe the lie about things General Stan McChrystal said, demeaning of the CINC? Or MAYBE the lie about the Tet Offensive, during which US forces ANNIHILATED the VC, DESTROYING them as a fighting force, and seriously hobbling the NVA, but presented as a crushing loss for the US by none other than the cowardly liar Walt Kronkite?

The LEC has a PROVEN track record of spreading lies, distortions and dysinformation (such as when CNN admitted to a years-long coverup with Saddam Hussein, keeping countless rapes and murders out of the news, for CNN’s own gain), and it’s time they were called out on that, as opposed to being continually rewarded with access. Look what their last incident of access got them: an EPIC WIN for the Taliban, in destroying General Stan McChrystal, former CO of JSOC, Joint Special Operations Command, and being responsible for capturing and killing terrorists left-and-right. Your insinuation that the military correspondents and writers are untrustworthy and have a dishonest agenda did not go unnoticed. If anyone’s shown themselves to be low-down, dishonest, lying, dirty, treacherous, treasonous, traitorous snakes, it’s the CIVILIAN. That’s precisely why I don’t go to those worthless, shiftless, gutless, useless, spineless bags of monkey sh-t for intel.

Virus-X on June 23, 2010 at 1:24 PM

Update: “We are so screwed”

I knew that Obama was going to screw up Afghanistan.

They are reporting that Gen Petreaus will take command.

Texas Gal on June 23, 2010 at 1:24 PM

So, now, when the war is lost, Stan McChrystal will be in private life, and can go on talk shows to help write history. He can say “I told you so,” “they should have followed my advice,” and “I could have prevented this.” He won’t be a quitter. In his mind at least, he’ll be a military man who, like MacArthur, was over-ruled by the fools on the hill. And that will be much more pleasant than being the commander when the last helicopter leaves the embassy roof.

SwampYankee on June 23, 2010 at 1:22 PM

McChrystal could mount a campaign, and run against Obama in 2012. His options are endless.

Dr Evil on June 23, 2010 at 1:25 PM

Del Dolemonte on June 23, 2010 at 1:19 PM

I recall Geraldo Rivera was booted out of Iraq for drawing maps in the sand on camera to show where the US troops were during the invasion.

Wethal on June 23, 2010 at 1:25 PM

Open thread from Ed on the announcement. FYI

upinak on June 23, 2010 at 1:26 PM

SwampYankee on June 23, 2010 at 1:22 PM

They adopted McChrystal’s plan rather than the alternative that the VP and other in the Admin were pushing very hard for.

Patreus is his replacement.

lexhamfox on June 23, 2010 at 1:27 PM

I was obviously less then clear and have misunderstood comments myself. Obviously I have a history that you were unaware of and I took for granted.

Cindy Munford on June 23, 2010 at 1:04 PM

My apologies. I’m very used to being awash in people, even those that call themselves “friends” that have exceedingly negative opinions of the armed forces, which includes me. I’ve been told to my face that I should have trouble looking in the mirror, for having to ‘sink so low, as to have to resort to taking a job killing fellow Human Beings for money’. Again, my apologies.

Virus-X on June 23, 2010 at 1:27 PM

So, now, when the war is lost, Stan McChrystal will be in private life, and can go on talk shows to help write history. He can say “I told you so,” “they should have followed my advice,” and “I could have prevented this.” He won’t be a quitter. In his mind at least, he’ll be a military man who, like MacArthur, was over-ruled by the fools on the hill. And that will be much more pleasant than being the commander when the last helicopter leaves the embassy roof.

SwampYankee on June 23, 2010 at 1:22 PM

You are so anxious to see Obama fail that you hope “the war is lost.” How does that make you any different from Harry Reid?

funky chicken on June 23, 2010 at 1:28 PM

Virus-X on June 23, 2010 at 1:27 PM

Don’t give it another thought. The military is the only thing I think the government does right and the credit has to go to the members since there is no evidence that the bureaucracy has any hand in it.

Cindy Munford on June 23, 2010 at 1:35 PM

You are so anxious to see Obama fail that you hope “the war is lost.” How does that make you any different from Harry Reid?

funky chicken on June 23, 2010 at 1:28 PM

I don’t want the war to be lost. That’s how I’m different.

I would give the generals everything they need to win. That’s how I’m different.

I’m basing my prediction on the fact that President Obama has said he’ll start withdrawing troops next year, while Reid made his prediction when President Bush was about to surge troops in Iraq. That’s how I’m different.

I’m basing my prediction on my opinion that, for political reasons, President Obama puts a higher value on ending the war than winning the war, while Reid made his prediction when anyone with any sense knew that Bush was intent on winning whatever the political consequences. That’s how I’m different.

I could go on.

SwampYankee on June 23, 2010 at 1:39 PM

The people I blame most for the problems in Afghanistan are the Afghans themselves. If they are not up to the task, it doesn’t matter what we do. They aren’t up to the task. The place is a sh*thole resembling the 6th century.

There is no real economy or institutional foundation to build a nation on. The best fighters they have are on the other side and Karzai is corrupt. We gave it our best but we can change an indigenous culture given the limits of time, money and lives.

Iraq was different because the building blocks were in place for a relatively stable society. Al Qaeda was hated because they were seen as invaders. The Taliban is an entirely different story, they were running things before we came along and the sympathies of much of the populace is with them, especially because they know we intend to leave. We need to forget the nation building, it ain’t gonna work.

echosyst on June 23, 2010 at 1:57 PM

Jimbo3 on June 23, 2010 at 1:12 PM
N.C.

Cindy Munford on June 23, 2010 at 1:14 PM

–Aah, thanks. I thought he was in Florida, but now I understand why he’s so happy. It is still hot in NC (at least it was 5 weeks ago).

Jimbo3 on June 23, 2010 at 2:00 PM

Stan McChrystal ought to be looking into pursuing legal action against the reporter, personally, and his hack rag of a magazine, for defamation. No, sorry: CRIMINAL defamation and libel. Not only did their rag possibly cost him his job, but it may’ve literally succeeded in doing what al-Qaeda and the Taliban have been trying to do for years: destructively undermine US forces. The transition period could result in confusion, aimlessness and a near-certain drop in troop morale across BOTH theaters (Afghanistan and IRAQ), which will almost inevitably result in the loss of groundfighting Soldiers and Marines, Airmen, Sailors and even civilians; not to mention emboldening the enemy by bolstering their morale. This is why we need to return to some of the methodologies of World War 2: reporters that did things like this would have a very bleak future, back then. If anybody should be getting called into the president’s office and testifying before joint sessions of Congress, it’s this lying weasel reporter, his editor, the editor-in-chief, and the Rolling Stone Board of Directors. Maybe it’s time they do another story about Guantanamo Bay, but from a different perspective.

Virus-X on June 23, 2010 at 1:06 PM

–It’s only defamation/libel if it’s false. It apparently wasn’t.

Jimbo3 on June 23, 2010 at 2:04 PM

Jimbo3 on June 23, 2010 at 2:00 PM

I am visiting Virginia Beach from Florida and I must say it is hotter then you know where here. One thing for certain, it is better then Afghanistan.

Cindy Munford on June 23, 2010 at 2:04 PM

Virus-X on June 23, 2010 at 1:06 PM

Unfortunately, it would be far too expensive for McChrystal to sue Rolling Stone for this, unless someone was willing to work pro bono/on contingency (pretty unlikely). I have a lawyer friend who does this sort of work, who says a person can expect to pay a half million in legal fees, easily (this is in DC). This is why the press never worries about libeling individuals–most of us simply don’t have the resources to go after them. About the only time they may be held accountable is if they defame a corporation or a fabulously rich celebrity.

I loathe the media.

DrMagnolias on June 23, 2010 at 2:07 PM

Milbank seems to be in the middle of a hysterical meltdown over the fact that people don’t much like Obama or the job he’s doing, and suddenly after eight years of people deriding George Bush as a chimp, another Hitler, an idiot, and a corruptocrat, Milbank is shocked, shocked to hear disagreement on policy and considers it the nadir of public discourse.

Milbank is like a conservative-Andrew-Sullivan, if one can imagine such a thing. Meaning, he IS hysterical and his articles ARE consistently in meltdown…I’ve never read anything from Milbank that was reasonable or level.

(Excellent rundown on Milbank, by the way.)

Lourdes on June 23, 2010 at 2:08 PM

You are so anxious to see Obama fail that you hope “the war is lost.” How does that make you any different from Harry Reid?

funky chicken on June 23, 2010 at 1:28 PM

Hellooo, funky chicken, jump out of the frying pan: Obama has already failed. Failed miserably. Utterly failed. A bad, very bad, failure of a President. Nothing is going to change his course of failure, he’s a goner.

Lourdes on June 23, 2010 at 2:09 PM

Virus-X on June 23, 2010 at 1:27 PM

Those are no friends. Ditch them.

DrMagnolias on June 23, 2010 at 2:10 PM

And what accurate information has the civilian LEC (Liberal Entertainment Complex) provided? Would that be the fact that no WMD were found in Iraq, when, in fact, they were (http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/Iraq_WMD_Declassified.pdf)? Or maybe the accurate information on how the both the first and second battles of Fallujah went, in which they claimed the US lost, and were guilty of widespread atrocities? Maybe the lies about Soldiers and Marines slaughtering civilians? Or maybe the lie about things General Stan McChrystal said, demeaning of the CINC? Or MAYBE the lie about the Tet Offensive, during which US forces ANNIHILATED the VC, DESTROYING them as a fighting force, and seriously hobbling the NVA, but presented as a crushing loss for the US by none other than the cowardly liar Walt Kronkite?

……..

Virus-X on June 23, 2010 at 1:24 PM

Here’s my problems with your rant:

1). It was the general press (along with some things coming out of the WH) that led people to believe there were no WMDs found. It wasn’t from the embedded press. (And they weren’t found in the quantities or in the timeframes initially expected and many, if not all, the WMDs were not in usable condition).

2). The military thought it lost the first Fallujah battle because the PR only came from the other side. That’s why they decided to use embedded reporters in the second Fallujah battle. See http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jan/02/press-political-pressure-helped-lose-fallujah-repo/

3). McChrystal and his team said what they said. They don’t dispute the accuracy of the quotes.

4). There were, as far as I can tell, no official embedded reporters in Vietnam.

So why does any of that have to do with embedded reporters, other than to suggest that it may make sense to have them so there isn’t a news vaccuum?

Jimbo3 on June 23, 2010 at 2:20 PM

I said something very, very similar last year

orfannkyl on June 23, 2010 at 2:29 PM

Pardon the blind entry into this thread; I’m workin’ in here.

Rush played a montage of at least 20 different newstwits using the same Dem talking point, that Obama was now Harry Truman because he has fired a military commander during a war.

Whatever. He fired him because he’s too weak to withstand mockery from some General’s staff in Afghanistan, but he should have fired him because, as Ed notes, McChrystal allowed his office to jeopardize their mission. Loss of discipline.

Now it’s Katie-Bar-the-Door.

Jaibones on June 23, 2010 at 2:33 PM

“We are so screwed.”

America’s motto since 11/2008….

joejm65 on June 23, 2010 at 3:12 PM

Update: “We are so screwed”

“So many holes to plug, so little time” – barack obama, 2010

jbh45 on June 23, 2010 at 4:21 PM

Wow, what a hack Dana Milbank has become.

Have we not learned that the greatest among sins is to diss The One? All else may be forgiven, but not that (just ask Jeremiah Wright). Obama brings not just the Chicago mob to the White House, but also a piece of the ghetto.

I did not want McChrystal fired, but the idea that Obama would suddenly become Lincolnesque was laughable. At the same time, the general, and in particular his staff, acted with great stupidity and I have to ask, WTF?? McChrystal brought it on himself, I’m afraid, but it’s no reason to punish the troops and the war effort.

If Gen. Petraeus has to go before Congress again, I would like him to bring video from a previous appearance, in particular footage of then Sens. Obama and Clinton. And a copy of the General BetrayUs ad.

SukieTawdry on June 23, 2010 at 7:14 PM

I read the entire RS article. The meme is already racing that he’s an alcoholic.

The entire situation of never getting what he asked for is glossed over. He needed 40K troops, he was grudgingly given 30K total, behind schedule (time of year matters in Afstan). Send that signal to your friends and allies and the result? Allies step back from your side, and enemies see you are not committed.

When do we read the RS article about the massive CYA action at state and the WH, and when do we read about the war between the State Department and the Pentagon?

MarkT on June 24, 2010 at 9:41 AM

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