McCain backs Kyl: Obama told other GOP senators that border security is conditioned on amnesty
posted at 6:10 pm on June 22, 2010 by Allahpundit
Via Cubachi, a little fuel for the fire set by Kyl a few days ago from a man who now insists “I never supported amnesty.” Skip ahead to 12:24 for the key bit. This isn’t as credible as Kyl’s revelation, partly because Maverick relies on weasel words (“basically”), partly because it seems less likely that Obama would say this to a group than to one senator in the confidence of the Oval Office, and partly because McCain obviously has a strong electoral incentive to set himself up as a border warrior vis-a-vis The One. But that doesn’t mean it’s not true: In fact, courtesy of Naked Emperor News, check out the second clip below of Obama circa 2004 talking explicitly about border security and amnesty as a political “trade off,” which is precisely what they are. In no sense are the two joined at the hip as a matter of policy; in fact, as I’ve argued before, the feds would be more likely to bring conservatives around on some sort of amnesty if they showed good faith by taking care of the border first. But since Latinos won’t stand for that, neither will a Democratic or Republican president. Hence the obvious “trade off,” and hence The One’s candor in chattering about this with Republicans. We all know the score. Why pretend otherwise?
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Sen. Jon Kyl is on Mark Levin as I type this.
kahall on June 22, 2010 at 6:13 PM
Sounds to me like McCain is getting all “Mavrick-y”.
I thought he stopped (or never was) that.
pain train on June 22, 2010 at 6:14 PM
TRANSPARENCY
canopfor on June 22, 2010 at 6:14 PM
I don’t know Allah. If we hit a severe double dip, I think anything related to amnesty is off the table. I know the polls show different, but I don’t see a upside to this economy. And important 3rd world peasants is not the way to grow the economy.
Oil Can on June 22, 2010 at 6:15 PM
ergo, our border will continue to have the welcome mat out….all are welcome
cmsinaz on June 22, 2010 at 6:16 PM
oh how I yearn for the GOP of my yout’, that GOP (the ones I railed about) would ‘Demand!’ a wall on the southern border in AZ, calling it a JOBS BILL. but noooooo we have the urbane gentlemen of the GOP on the floor, Pfft! fight against the dying of the light dammit! the polls are showing them the Latino vote HAS NOT MOVED ONE IOTA since this debate began a few months ago. What are they afraid of?
ginaswo on June 22, 2010 at 6:17 PM
I love race politics. Because of ethnicity we tolerate a sizable minority in this country that doesn’t want to enforce the laws or protect our border. I can only assume they don’t really think of it as our border at all. The salad bowl theory in action. Yippea!
WitchDoctor on June 22, 2010 at 6:18 PM
Breaking news: Obama asks Senators Kyl and McCain to tender their resignations, because they should know never, ever, ever, ever, ever speak out against The Won Who Whines.
LOL! Nothing could shock me anymore.
Key West Reader on June 22, 2010 at 6:19 PM
Travel Advisory—Park Service
canopfor on June 22, 2010 at 6:19 PM
Just like we do here in the states.
Tommy_G on June 22, 2010 at 6:21 PM
ergo, our border will continue to have the welcome mat out….all are welcome
cmsinaz on June 22, 2010 at 6:16 PM
cmsinaz: Nuts!!:)
canopfor on June 22, 2010 at 6:21 PM
democrat polling firm, Public Policy Polling, says Latinos are running towards the democrat party in droves thanks to Arizona. DROVES!
SouthernGent on June 22, 2010 at 6:23 PM
By “Hispanic” they probably mean illegal Mexicans. Talk to some Cubans who came here legally, who escaped communism and who are strong family values type people. They’ll be going Republican in 2010 and this comes out of Miami.
Key West Reader on June 22, 2010 at 6:25 PM
Dear Senator McCain,
“Thanks for your years of service.”
NOW F*CK OFF,
you apologist, lame-assed RINO.
Lockstein13 on June 22, 2010 at 6:26 PM
Are we the United States of America or Mexico…?
SECURE THE DAMN BORDER!!!
Seven Percent Solution on June 22, 2010 at 6:27 PM
He who leads does not gather flies. BTW, don’t flies land on big piles of crap too?
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//100622/480/urn_publicid_ap_org66491abceb6647608552782eda77ca57/
parteagirl on June 22, 2010 at 6:28 PM
It would explain why Obama is so incensed by the new Arizona immigration law. Being tough on new arrivals to Arizona, illegal arrivals, makes Obama spend a political chip that he was saving. The duty to accept and deport illegals was something he planned to bargain with, later.
RBMN on June 22, 2010 at 6:28 PM
Don’t buy it, Senators. This is exactly what they told us in ’83: “Let’s have an amnesty and then we will secure the border.” We’re still waiting.
Kafir on June 22, 2010 at 6:30 PM
Mid Arizona Border
http://www.usborderpatrol.com/Border_Patrol704.htm
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Western Arizona
http://www.usborderpatrol.com/Border_Patrol703.htm
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Yuma Sector
http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/border_security/border_patrol/border_patrol_sectors/yuma_sector_az/
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US Border Patrol Sector Map
http://www.honorfirst.com/stationlist.htm
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canopfor on June 22, 2010 at 6:33 PM
:)
cmsinaz on June 22, 2010 at 6:35 PM
Dang 7% you are trying to leave a mark!
Dire Straits on June 22, 2010 at 6:35 PM
And still he is in office. He is using Chicago thug politics bribery and strong arming, violating the law and still no one says out loud he, he shouldn’t be in that seat. He has not the skill set or the ability to lead.
ColdWarrior57 on June 22, 2010 at 6:35 PM
if mccain wins reelection he will sing a different tune, guaranteed…he will buy it…
cmsinaz on June 22, 2010 at 6:36 PM
Sat through the entire 22 minutes of the first video. Had McCain talked like this a couple of years ago, he might be president.
Tommy_G on June 22, 2010 at 6:37 PM
Are we the United States of America or Mexico…?
SECURE THE DAMN BORDER!!!
Seven Percent Solution on June 22, 2010 at 6:27 PM
Seven Percent Solution: Madness,I can not believe that the
US has NO GO Zones!!!!:)
canopfor on June 22, 2010 at 6:37 PM
Trust me the cracks are getting bigger.
Dire Straits on June 22, 2010 at 6:37 PM
This fall, districts with large Hispanic populations had better have a large amount of poll watchers. You hear me GOP?
Vince on June 22, 2010 at 6:39 PM
Does McCain know that Kyl is a Republican?
A situation like this would usually be McCain’s favorite time to come out with an attack on the Republican.
RJL on June 22, 2010 at 6:39 PM
John – How’s that change in Washington working for ya?
yoda on June 22, 2010 at 6:41 PM
coming to a town near you
cmsinaz on June 22, 2010 at 6:43 PM
seriously???
cmsinaz on June 22, 2010 at 6:45 PM
The Ones own words, plus two apparent witnesses, provide for a legitimate legal case for the assertion of dereliction of duty as sworn to at his innauguration.
When will the calls for impeachment emerge?
I think the Rep’s are seriously concerned that, with the proclivity of progressives to agitate race relations, a possibility of widespread racial violence. Exit question, will the rule of law be held hostage against the threat of a race war?
Archimedes on June 22, 2010 at 6:46 PM
Part and parcel with a “rule or ruin” strategy employed by some sociopaths when they can’t get what they want by other means.
Why else is the Gulf spill such a mess? You can’t pay people to be this incompetent.
Now the border, and lives of “small people” are on the line so Junior can get his amnesty bill and mess of new Democrat voters.
So much for your concern for the little guy, slimeball.
Just because you have an unlimited supply of arugula and golf balls does not make it right.
Harry Schell on June 22, 2010 at 6:47 PM
In Obama’s home area of south Chicago, this past weekend saw 54 shootings 10 deaths. How many were killed by illegals?
SouthernGent on June 22, 2010 at 6:49 PM
At least Captain Amnesty spoke up. He wont do anything of course. He’s almost as useless as Bozo.
And Senator, your bill WAS amnesty. Your legislation was a joke only we ain’t laughing.
dogsoldier on June 22, 2010 at 6:50 PM
McCain’s backup is most welcome.
Anything at all that moves us even a smidgen closer to at last getting serious about our sieve of a southern border gets an amen from this corner.
Edouard on June 22, 2010 at 6:51 PM
Who would believe John McCain?
About anything?
molonlabe28 on June 22, 2010 at 6:51 PM
coming to a town near you
cmsinaz on June 22, 2010 at 6:43 PM
cmsinaz:Again,nuts,time for some US Military Helicopters,
and Predator Drones,with live HellFires to even
the score!!
Being painted at night with infrared night equip
ment and 30MM.gatling gun should be implamented
until this gets under control!!!:)
For that matter,put HawkDriver to work!!:)
canopfor on June 22, 2010 at 6:52 PM
Do you think there will be race war? I doubt it. But I think you are right where people are using as a threat.
Oil Can on June 22, 2010 at 6:52 PM
RINO. Any questions? McStain is a liar. Always has been, always will be.
skanter on June 22, 2010 at 6:53 PM
Amnesty? Oil spill? I don’t see much mention of Hillary Clinton signing over our 2nd amendment to comply with the U.N….Make no mistake, Obamalinsky is after our guns running this “legislation” around Congress. Impeachment is needed to remove this anti-American from the Presidency….
adamsmith on June 22, 2010 at 6:53 PM
2nd that!
cmsinaz on June 22, 2010 at 6:54 PM
seriously???
cmsinaz on June 22, 2010 at 6:45 PM
cmsinaz: Excellent Info scoop-Google is your friend!!:)
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Senators Challenge Pres. Obama on Rumors of Executive Order Amnesty
Several Senators have learned of a possible plan by the Obama Administration that would provide a mass Amnesty for the nation’s 11-18 million illegal aliens. Led by Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), eight Senators addressed a letter to the President asking for answers to questions about a plan that would allow DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano to provide an amnesty if they can’t secure enough votes for a bill in the Senate.
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canopfor on June 22, 2010 at 6:55 PM
John – How’s that change in Washington working for ya?
yoda on June 22, 2010 at 6:41 PM
yoda:Tee-hee,ahem,this is serious business,Hopey is trying
to straddle the fence me thinks till 2012!:)
canopfor on June 22, 2010 at 6:57 PM
For that matter,put HawkDriver to work!!:)
canopfor on June 22, 2010 at 6:52 PM
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2nd that!
cmsinaz on June 22, 2010 at 6:54 PM
cmsinaz:I do hope Hawkdriver takes my comment in a good
light!!:)
canopfor on June 22, 2010 at 6:59 PM
Straddling a fence isn’t safe for male. It’s rather painful if you foul it up.
chemman on June 22, 2010 at 7:00 PM
Now, thanks to Obama,the party boy in chief, the drug cartel is taking over southern AZ.
From Fox News:
GrannySunni on June 22, 2010 at 7:04 PM
I believe he would…he’s a good guy!
cmsinaz on June 22, 2010 at 7:05 PM
indeed…scary stuff if this comes to fruition…
cmsinaz on June 22, 2010 at 7:05 PM
Poor incompetent dear reader has a problem keeping his lies straight.
tarpon on June 22, 2010 at 7:09 PM
Yea, I saw that earlier. Would anyone want to live on the Arizona border nowadays? Or the Texas border?
scalleywag on June 22, 2010 at 7:10 PM
canofor -Looks like hopey dopey is just about ready to fall off of the fence and right into the fire. Did you see dopey’s golf swing on iowntheworld??? Pretty funny!
yoda on June 22, 2010 at 7:11 PM
Sound like live fire training for our men in the special forces.
Oil Can on June 22, 2010 at 7:11 PM
The only thing that will create serious intent about border enforcement and visa oversight by either party is another major terrorist event. The perp doesn’t have to be Hispanic; any flavor will do. It’ll cost a lot of innocent lives before the politicos get serious. Until then, more of the same. That voting bloc and cheap labor are just too enticing.
a capella on June 22, 2010 at 7:28 PM
Good thing Obama hasn’t sworn to uphold the Constitution and protect the states from Invasion don’t ya know.
Chip on June 22, 2010 at 7:29 PM
…except, of course, whites european christians—or in my case, hare’ krishnas
devadevadasa on June 22, 2010 at 7:46 PM
my bad
cmsinaz on June 22, 2010 at 8:10 PM
Like we needed confirmation?
Thanks anyway, Johnny.
SuperCool on June 22, 2010 at 8:27 PM
I don’t care what the score is. I’m only interested in border security and enforcement of existing laws. Until that’s done, there isn’t anything else to trade off.
azkag on June 22, 2010 at 9:06 PM
heh–it’s funny innit?
asians, euros, africans and everyone else in the world must wait their turns
and i suspect that any amnesty will NOT include these, but will be limited to “hispanics”
devadevadasa on June 22, 2010 at 9:45 PM
When the GOP regains a majority, we conservatives have to be as rabid about this as the left was about the War in Iraq. This and the debt are life or death matters for this country.
Illegal immigration is easy to stop, the politicians are talking up the difficulty of it because they would rather not. The Republicans because the Rovian wing things we need to worry about losing the Hispanic vote, and the Democrats because if illegal immigration goes unabated for another decade then this country will permanently become a welfare state. If the GOP fails to seal up the border, we need to turn on a dime and bolt for a third party. The thought of another period of Bushesque Republican immigration policy makes me nauseous.
Raisedbywolves on June 23, 2010 at 12:18 AM
Oh well. If McCain is saying that’s what he heard, then I know it’s a giant f**king lie. I wouldn’t trust anything John McCain said I couldn’t verify by looking out of a window.
austinnelly on June 23, 2010 at 2:35 AM
Dear leader is being very transparent if only people were looking at him from the perspective of it’s all political all the time. He’s out to get what he wants and come out of it with as much on his side of the deal as he can get. If he can’t get what he wants that way, he brings the full force of the federal govmint to bear. That’s another reason BP gave up the $20B so quickly and the rule of law went into the crapper. Amnesty is his target just like single payer. It’s gonna happen sooner or later.
Kissmygrits on June 23, 2010 at 9:40 AM
Africa is a continent, not a race and Mexico is a country, not a race and illegal is a condition, not a race so were’not talking about racial issues here but cultural issues and national issues and if we don’t clean up these issues on the border, the border will become even more useless than it is now. Time to bring the drones home and move the desert training center from Ft. Irwin, CA to Arizona and the entire border. A few live fire excercises might get their attention but that would involve our Constitution and and the protection of our country and the Obamarrhoid seems somewhat averse to abiding by his oath.
LarryG on June 23, 2010 at 7:02 PM