Did Obama reap what he sowed with McChrystal?
posted at 2:05 pm on June 22, 2010 by Ed Morrissey
As General Stanley McChrystal wings his way back to the US and face time with an angry Barack Obama, Washington Post columnist Jackson Diehl writes a convincing argument that Obama will be angry at the wrong man. McChrystal should never have allowed those disparaging remarks to be repeated in the presence of a Rolling Stone reporter, but McChrystal’s team is hardly the first to leak opposition to official White House policy on the war. Obama’s lack of action on earlier and obvious sniping through the media showed a lack of leadership that allowed the environment for such nonsense to continue taking place (via Rich Lowry at The Corner):
Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal should not lose his job because of the article about him in Rolling Stone magazine. If anyone deserves blame for the latest airing of the administration’s internal feuds over Afghanistan, it is President Obama.
For months Obama has tolerated deep divisions between his military and civilian aides over how to implement the counterinsurgency strategy he announced last December. The divide has made it practically impossible to fashion a coherent politico-military plan, led to frequent disputes over tactics and contributed to a sharp deterioration in the administration’s relations with Afghan President Hamid Karzai. …
Nor is McChrystal the only participant in the feuding who has gone public with his argument. A scathing memo by Eikenberry describing Karzai as an unreliable partner was leaked to the press last fall. At a White House press briefing during Karzai’s visit to Washington last month, the ambassador pointedly refused to endorse the Afghan leader he must work with.
Biden, for his part, gave an interview to Newsweek’s Jonathan Alter in which he said that in July of next year “you are going to see a whole lot of [U.S. troops] moving out.” Yet as Secretary of Defense Robert M. Gates tartly pointed out over the weekend, “that absolutely has not been decided.” Instead, Biden was pushing his personal version of the strategy Obama approved, which calls for the beginning of withdrawals next year, with the size and pace to be determined by conditions at that time.
The real trouble is that Obama never resolved the dispute within his administration over Afghanistan strategy.
That’s one part of the problem. Another part is that Obama failed to sanction those who went to the media to fight out the dispute. Neither Biden nor Gates got a dressing-down like McChrystal will get, even though both owe some loyalty to the man in the Oval Office. Biden would have remained a daffy, gaffe-prone backbencher in the Senate had it not been for Obama’s inexplicable decision to choose Biden as a running mate.
Eikenberry is an even more direct example. His memo ripping Hamid Karzai nearly drove the NATO-backed government in Kabul into the arms of the Taliban, and would have if Karzai thought they’d let him live long enough to enjoy his revenge. His insubordination on Karzai exposed the disarray within the White House on Afghanistan. His antipathy towards McChrystal has also been well known for months. Yet Obama allowed Eikenberry to remain in place despite nearly costing the US its position in Afghanistan, and Eikenberry is still in place to this day.
Under those circumstances, it’s not much wonder that McChrystal opted to fight the disputes through the media, too. That doesn’t excuse the disrespect, nor should McChrystal go unreprimanded for this incident and the obvious disrespect for the chain of command that he either tolerates or encourages, as seen in the article. Whether or not McChrystal should get cashiered is a secondary issue to Diehl’s point, however. Had Obama shown more command and demanded more discipline from his national-security and diplomatic team, McChrystal may never have opted to follow suit.
Obama needs to get more engaged and start kicking some ass where it counts. He can start with McChrystal, but until he starts acting like an actual Commander in Chief with his own team, McChrystal isn’t the real problem.









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Gee, it’s almost as if Dear Liar has no executive experience.
rbj on June 22, 2010 at 2:08 PM
Obama is apparnetly a poor war time president?
Who would have guessed that.
Mr. Joe on June 22, 2010 at 2:08 PM
The simple fact is that Captain Kickass isn’t a leader. At all. Like, not even a little bit.
search4truth on June 22, 2010 at 2:09 PM
When he fired McKiernan and hired this jerk, yeah, I guess he reaped what he sowed.
funky chicken on June 22, 2010 at 2:09 PM
As soon as Obama starts showing some respect for the men and women in uniform,I’ll start showing some respect for him.
sandee on June 22, 2010 at 2:10 PM
I will always think that McCrystal simply said the honest truth, and that’s the chaos created by this administration. Today’s story happens to be the war. But you can apply the same analysis to HC, to the Stimulus, you name it.
It’s all the same chaos in administration. Now, I personally think McCrystal was self-indulgent. This is the whining one should whisper to friends and inner circle, not the Rolling Stone, for crying out loud.
He’s immature in this regard. And it’s questionable to me, anyway, that anyone can be that immature in one area and still be “brilliant” in another.
We’ll see what Obama decides.
AnninCA on June 22, 2010 at 2:10 PM
That’s what comes of the president trying to vote “present” on war strategy.
Wethal on June 22, 2010 at 2:12 PM
I find it ironic that the man who is constantly throwing his own people under the bus for his own incompetence, is demanding loyalty from his people.
portlandon on June 22, 2010 at 2:12 PM
OT/Breaking: Judge rules against offshore drilling moratorium.
conservative pilgrim on June 22, 2010 at 2:12 PM
Why do I think Obama is trying to channel Lincoln recalling a general and dressing him down?
Paul-Cincy on June 22, 2010 at 2:12 PM
What ever happens, from now on, Obama is demonstrating that he is in charge. From the days when he delayed making a decision on sending more troops, to replacing the General in Afghanistan with McChrystal, to keeping or cashiering McChrystal, from now on, Obama has fully embraced the Afghanistan tar baby. It belongs now to Obama and the democrats.
Skandia Recluse on June 22, 2010 at 2:13 PM
If this is the ass Obama wanted to kick, I think he choose poorly.
upinak on June 22, 2010 at 2:13 PM
Isn’t McChrystal a 52%’er anyway? Reap what you sow, chap.
Kelligan on June 22, 2010 at 2:13 PM
Hey, I’ve got a great idea…
Let’s elect Barack Hussein Obowma as President of the United States!
… Who’s with me?
Seven Percent Solution on June 22, 2010 at 2:13 PM
The state of this country and its leadership is, frankly, scaring the shit out of me.
jennifernaz on June 22, 2010 at 2:14 PM
Karzai supposedly dislikes Holbrooke so much that he refuses to meet with Holbrooke.
Oddly, it may be Karzai who has some leverage here. He has already publicly said today that McChrystal is the general he wants.
Wethal on June 22, 2010 at 2:14 PM
Did Obama reap what he sowed? Absolutely. Captain Kickass deserves all of this and more.
ORconservative on June 22, 2010 at 2:14 PM
I think McChrystal got obama boxed in. McCrystal dont want to be the name that lost this war for Obama. So he goes all in “fire me and own the war or let me do it the way i think it should be done”.
the_nile on June 22, 2010 at 2:14 PM
He is the commander in chief – the buck stops with him.
It is his responsibility to give the people fighting the wars the tools to win the war. If they don’t have the tools – he is to blame.
gophergirl on June 22, 2010 at 2:15 PM
Sounds more like a cover that he’s not a “rethulican”.
the_nile on June 22, 2010 at 2:15 PM
if bush was president mcrystal would be the lefts new hero
now they want to string him up by his nads
they are such a joke
sidewinder22 on June 22, 2010 at 2:16 PM
Immature? That’s an unfortunate image for the White House of all places to bring forward, isn’t it?
Between this and the court decision overturning the drilling moratorium it’s shaping up as a bad day for Obama.
He needs to fit in a round of golf to clear his head.
Drained Brain on June 22, 2010 at 2:16 PM
What McChrystal did is a problem if he is going to act like a commander-in-chief.
2 wrongs don’t make a right, as they say.
Spirit of 1776 on June 22, 2010 at 2:17 PM
Diehl has an excellent point about Obama’s lack of leadership and executive temperament (Can we say “We tried to tell you” yet to those who voted for him?), but he’s wrong about McChyrstal: his violation of civil-military relations was egregious and he has to be fired for it.
irishspy on June 22, 2010 at 2:17 PM
How does Obama become more incompetant every day? I guess Obama’s chickensssssssss are coming home to rooooooost!
clnurnberg on June 22, 2010 at 2:17 PM
This story and analysis is all wrong – at least according to many commenters on the other McChrystal threads.
The General is responsible for what is going on in Afghanistan. Even though he is subordinate to the ‘civilian military leadership’. Even though he can’t prosecute the war without approving and support from this same ‘civilian military leadership’.
We all know that the criticism of the ‘civilian military leadership’ is the issue here – not anything stated in the above post or linked article.
President Obama is not responsible for anything, anywhere.
catmman on June 22, 2010 at 2:17 PM
This is where I think all of us here who may be divided about the wisdom of McChrystal’s conduct can agree: this stuff just doesn’t happen when you’ve got a CiC who is on the ball & knows where he’s going. A feckless & ineffectual leader invites chaos within the ranks of his subordinates. Confusion is the mother of dissension or something like that. ;-)
leilani on June 22, 2010 at 2:18 PM
He’s Queen Elizabeth, or Fergie. We have no leader, only a pied piper
clnurnberg on June 22, 2010 at 2:20 PM
WH: …. and as such Obama was unaware of all this bickering.
Not the Eikenberry memo?
Snub during Karzai visit press conference?
Biden fauz pas?
Secretary Gates retort?
Dusty on June 22, 2010 at 2:21 PM
Immature describes the entire government, and, even now, the military.
I think, honestly, this is a deep cultural issue.
WE are immature. Yes, good intentions, check. Yes, good-will, check. Yes, definitely attempting to be reasonable, check.
However, egos run amok? check, too. :)
AnninCA on June 22, 2010 at 2:22 PM
While bemoaning the fact that we have disturbing news nearly every day from this administration it occurred to me that the same is true for BO.
Things are not going well for this administration. True, they keep grabbing more and more power, but they’re making horrible mistakes on every front. Their contempt for the citizenry is astonishing. They have made it clear that our opinions mean nothing, that they will proceed as they wish on health care, job (non)creation, housing, illegal immigration – nearly everything.
The Gulf disaster has finally forced people to recognize that well-pressed trousers and nice sounding, vapid speeches are no substitute for experience.
The McChrystal episode mystifies me, and it seems to be one more incident that indicates this administration is falling apart. It scares me. It all seems out of control and coming to a head rapidly.
Has BO reaped what he sowed with McChrystal? I think so, but he’s reaping a lot of animosity on many fronts, and much of it is self-inflicted.
This all feels eerie and unsettling to me.
Cody1991 on June 22, 2010 at 2:22 PM
Teh Won’s idea of ass-kicking starts and ends with knee-capping the military.
steveegg on June 22, 2010 at 2:23 PM
McCrystal = man
Obama = man child
Mojave Mark on June 22, 2010 at 2:23 PM
The owner of any local Dunkin’ Donuts has more leadership skills than this Presidential idiot…
PatriotRider on June 22, 2010 at 2:23 PM
Biden: This Rolling Stone article is turning into a big f**king deal!
pain train on June 22, 2010 at 2:24 PM
I think it’s just you and this guy. I would have said this gal too but I’m not sure she’s still on board.
Oldnuke on June 22, 2010 at 2:24 PM
The funniest part of this story is Gibbs and the WH “questioning the judgment of the general”.
I have not laughed this heartily in a long time.
Foolish thugs rule.
Idiots ‘lead’, and that includes Gates.
Soldiers and others die unnecessarily.
Good U.S. American people, please change this and save us from this nightmare.
Schadenfreude on June 22, 2010 at 2:25 PM
FIFY
pain train on June 22, 2010 at 2:25 PM
He absolutely is responsible for hiring and supporting this ass. He can act presidential for perhaps the first time by firing him. Do I expect Obama to sh*tcan his own hand-picked boy? Nope.
funky chicken on June 22, 2010 at 2:25 PM
And you can throw in the presstitutes in the blame game. Lachlan Markay over at NewsBusters went deep into the memory hole to dig out presstitute praise of “whistleblowing” generals who disagreed with Bush policy.
steveegg on June 22, 2010 at 2:26 PM
Good point. Has Obama done anything that hasn’t been totally botched? HC, stimulus, oil spill, KSM trial in NYC, mortgage rescue program, and now Afghanistan.
Is there anything this administration has done that makes anyone think, “Man, they are so competent.”
They react erratically from one crisis (real or made-up) to another. Great leaders shape events, Obama gets shaped by events.
JohnInCA on June 22, 2010 at 2:27 PM
Bambi just wants all this war stuff to go away. He just wants all this gulf oil stuff to go away as well. He’s just not that in to those aspects of the job. He just wants the whole outside world to take a chill pill for his term of office so that he can do the really important work of screwing up our economy and dissipating our wealth by paying for windmills and health care.
MJBrutus on June 22, 2010 at 2:28 PM
Barack Obama and Joe Biden running the Gaffetastics!
In this episode the hand-picked leader of the foreign PR OPS makes it perfectly McChrystal clear that he can’t do a thing with a band this disorganized. Will the band leader admit to his inability to do anything than play golf? Will the back-up vocalist actually keep quiet for 30 seconds? Will the drummer decide to Clinton-out?
All this and a stage flooded with crude oil in the next episode of the Gaffetastics!
ajacksonian on June 22, 2010 at 2:29 PM
The bigger question is “what is it about the Obama administration that drives a general to ruin it all, including his stars, his job, leaving the military?”
This is what I’d like to know.
I’ll bet anything that the Obama goons are afraid to fire him, on the one hand, because then he can freely be on TV any time he wants to. Imagine the book and the movie, at the most inopportune time, of his choosing.
Were it not for the dire consequences in the wars, I’d LOVE this story because of what it does to the suit without an emperor and his court of imbeciles, including Gates.
Schadenfreude on June 22, 2010 at 2:29 PM
Is McChrystal falling on his sword to sound the alarm about how worthless this administration truly is? I agree with those who say that maybe the general wants out of this job for this “CiC”. The next general will adopt the Obama “I inherited a mess” mantra..but he will have inherited it from Obama.
clnurnberg on June 22, 2010 at 2:29 PM
Biden was chosen because Obama needed someone who was white and old to appease the core liberal racist base of the Obama Party….and Biden was the only choice who Obama was positive would always make Obama look good by comparison.
That’s really it. Slow Joe was chosen because he’s an even bigger idiot than Obama is.
northdallasthirty on June 22, 2010 at 2:29 PM
When Biden took his case to the media, he did the wrong thing.
When Eikenberry took his case to the media, he did the wrong thing.
When McChrystal took his case to the media, he did the wrong thing.
You don’t sort out international relations via the press.
hawksruleva on June 22, 2010 at 2:29 PM
BWAH ha ha. Good one Ed.
bitsy on June 22, 2010 at 2:30 PM
Remember: Obama thinks he’s a combination of Kennedy and Lincoln. Lincoln had a cabinet and various other positions allegedly filled with rivals; even people from the enemy political party (democrat). Obama thinks he’s duplicating that, and in doing so, it’s showing how great a “uniter” he is, highlighting his uncanny management skills, and, of course, spotlighting his wisdom. I fully agree that this whole, distracting debacle is the direct result of Obama’s chronic mismanagement of every situation he puts his dirty hands on, ranging from the economy, to disaster management, to the War on Terror.
Obama is not a leader, and never has been; nor does he have the capability of being one. Don’t think for one second that the derision from Team America isn’t echoed all across the armed forces community. Now, the Navy and Air Farce are, traditionally, rife with liberals (prime examples of what the Navy brings us is McCain and Ventura), but even those softies are probably starting to seriously regret this farce of a CINC they’re forced to serve under. The Marines can be pretty liberal, too, but tend more toward Conservative or, at least, libertarian. McChrystal is not a Conservative, that I know; but being a military man, I wouldn’t have expected him to have much respect for a man that embodies the worst aspects of Carter and Clinton. Only a tyrannical, thin-skinned dictator like Obama could possibly think that he’s a beloved figure in the Department of Defense. Take a look at the footage depicting the difference of reception between President Bush and Obama, when addressing the armed forces:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIHz5tevLAw
No, Obama is not a Lincoln. His cabinet is filled with dissenting back-biting infighters specifically because he’s too stupid and inexperienced to know who to pick. He surrounds himself with the anti-American, Bill of Rights hating ideologues like himself, who, also like himself, can’t see past their own noses, and just help him make bad choices. Quite frankly, Obama couldn’t handle the pressures Lincoln did: with what little he does acknowledge, it’s enough to drive him out to the golf courses and basketball courts every day, for seemingly most of the day.
Pathetic.
Virus-X on June 22, 2010 at 2:32 PM
The Wrong Men, the Wrong Time, the Wrong War!
Tav on June 22, 2010 at 2:32 PM
I must have missed the part where McChrystal decided to “fight” through the media. If he really wanted to influence policy couldn’t he have complained to TIME or Newsweek? Maybe he and his guys just thought it would be cool to get featured in Rolling Stone.
Seth Halpern on June 22, 2010 at 2:33 PM
Obama regime does. It’s their way.
Hillary saying DOJ will sue AZ in peru tv!? remember.
the_nile on June 22, 2010 at 2:34 PM
This was all but inevitable given that the COIN/”See no Islam” “strategy” for Afghanistan is insane.
Tav on June 22, 2010 at 2:34 PM
G-d forbid we have another ‘successful’ terrorist attack; what Obama will do with that truly scares me. Will he hide under his Oval Office desk; will he do something too rash in an effort to appear “Presidential” and “decisive”? Either scenario is NOT good.
Firefly_76 on June 22, 2010 at 2:34 PM
Immature describes the entire government, and, even now, the military.
Think of the words you used to describe immature-GOOD INTENTIONS ,GOOD WILL, ATTEMPTING TO BE REASONABLE.–Those are all bleeding heart liberalisms. All based in emotion. You cant run a country with this ideology.
canditaylor68 on June 22, 2010 at 2:35 PM
LOL good stuff
Amadeus on June 22, 2010 at 2:36 PM
I am currently reading the third volume of Churchill’s 6 volume classic on the history of WWII. It certainly has a point of view, but the wires and communiques of the PM clearly show a totally engaged, hands-on commander-in-chief with a life time of executive experience in life or death situations who truly loved his country that was extremely proud of all that it represented.
Then I think of that community agitator currently in the White House and how one of his first acts was to return a bust of Churchill, I just want to throw up.
tommylotto on June 22, 2010 at 2:36 PM
I hate that our (U.S.A.)military looks as inept as the rest of the government. Although I know that there are disagreements in every organization, I thought that the military was too disciplined and mature to let it spill over in the press. I know it has happened in the past but this seems so unprofessional.
Cindy Munford on June 22, 2010 at 2:36 PM
Wasn’t Eikenberry responsible for building up the Afghan army and police when he was deployed over there?
Why, yes he was! He didn’t do a very good job of that now did he?
Vince on June 22, 2010 at 2:37 PM
Gosh, does this mean our little messiah is a lousy leader?
BillCarson on June 22, 2010 at 2:37 PM
There is a lot of uproar about Gen. Stanley’s McChrystal’s disrespectful comments about his civilian bosses in the Obama administration … … … But the bigger problem with McChrystal’s leadership has always been the general’s devotion to unreasonably restrictive rules of engagement that are resulting in the unnecessary deaths of American and coalition forces …
Tav on June 22, 2010 at 2:38 PM
Who you would like to replace him?
Cindy Munford on June 22, 2010 at 2:38 PM
it’s perfectly possible :-) lots of ‘geniuses’ and people who are exceptional at their jobs (whatever they’re qualified for) but completely inept, almost to the point of handicap in other matters (social skills, etc, yeah, ‘immature behaviour’ too, you name it)…it is usually a sign of single mindedness and obsessive focus on just one skill/issue/matter…nothing else exists outside that :-)…
jimver on June 22, 2010 at 2:39 PM
Oooh, yes, agree! Quite scary. It’s like those foreboding moments right before a hurricane slams onto shore.
Especially after watching his televised Vuvuzela speech on the spill where he seemed so small & disconnected & vacant sitting behind that desk! It really does feel deep in the bones like something’s gonna blow.
I speculated the other day that the reason none of the more politically astute members his staff seem to care how terrible it looks that he’s golfing & partying as everything is slipping into absolute chaos all around him is that I think they have no choice but to take this man – who has never before in his life really & truly been held responsible for his executive performance & therefore never developed the coping mechanisms to deal with the stress that kind of accountability entails – off the job or he will lose it completely.
Your intuition is right again. This is a scary juncture.
leilani on June 22, 2010 at 2:39 PM
Anything to take the pressure off your BP mess, Right
OBlaBla.
This guy will nuke something just to change the news
subject. What baby . . .A dangerous baby.
Texyank on June 22, 2010 at 2:39 PM
While McC should not have done this, the upside is that it helps further enforce the idea that 0bama is an incompetent leader and ups the regime’s paranoia quotient. Merely say the Gen. must respect civilian authority and then just sit back and enjoy the finger-pointing.
Lou Budvis on June 22, 2010 at 2:39 PM
He knows how to put on a concert with ex-Beatles at the WH.
angryed on June 22, 2010 at 2:41 PM
My guess is…Obama has very few friends left, where it counts. He’s holding on desperately to those whom he believes are his friends.
The rest of us, friends or not, can go to hell, for all he cares.
capejasmine on June 22, 2010 at 2:41 PM
This is just another day with our Amateur in Chief and his posse of clowns. As I posted earlier, the movie version of this clusterfark presidency is going to be must see.
KickandSwimMom on June 22, 2010 at 2:41 PM
That sounds like something Spike Lee would say.
Tav on June 22, 2010 at 2:43 PM
Barry’s every bit the president that President Martin Sheen was, give him a break.
NoDonkey on June 22, 2010 at 2:43 PM
All of this is a symptom and a consequence of declaring a withdrawal timetable.
Obama is the W.P.E.
John the Libertarian on June 22, 2010 at 2:43 PM
VDH has it figured out. McChrystal should have, or must have known that the far-left Rolling Stone was up to no good.
The way I see it, the only interest Rolling Stone could have had with McChrystal was to get revenge on him for the previous episode between him and Obama, in which Obama didn’t come out looking so good.
If McChrystal fell into that trap so easily, then you can only conclude that we’re f*cked. The only solace we have is if McChrystal wanted out and he forced Obama’s hand.
OxyCon on June 22, 2010 at 2:45 PM
Zero has quite the knack for alienating allies. That Karzai is siding with McChrystal shows how aware both men have become of how dangerous Obama is and how far Zero keeps distancing himself from facing reality and presidential responsibility.
viking01 on June 22, 2010 at 2:45 PM
‘McChrystal isn’t the real problem”
And neither is Ed’s lame-brained theory.
The real problem is the moronic leadership of this country is sending people into battle in a conflict they have no intention of winning. They can’t even explain what they want to achieve.
That’s not just a problem, it’s a massive crime against the finest institution in the formerly greatest country on earth.
notagool on June 22, 2010 at 2:45 PM
I vote for Jimmy Carter. If one is going to go fluster cuck, might as well go full bore.
Tav on June 22, 2010 at 2:48 PM
Kicking someone’s ass that can’t kick back is not a very impressive feat.
Obama can only look weak no matter how he handles this situation; fire McChrystal and it only repudiates the entire Afghan war strategy, keep him and it shows who really is in command.
You can’t demand respect, you have to earn it. Obama hasn’t earned it.
walkingboss on June 22, 2010 at 2:48 PM
Who would make it?
Cindy Munford on June 22, 2010 at 2:48 PM
Hi, L. I just read your last post on the other thread. Yes, there is this bizarre, inappropriate reaction to crises that makes no sense. When there’s an emergency he seems to slip off into an alternate universe. Maybe he has make-believe friends he talks to? There’s something so strange about him.
My greatest objection (if I could name only one) to his becoming POTUS is that he does not share the same values and standards as the majority of Americans. We see this every day.
What alarms me now is that he isn’t with us in times of crisis. So many are happening and brewing, like unemployment, and he’s totally AWOL.
Cody1991 on June 22, 2010 at 2:49 PM
If he wanted to make a statement, he could have resigned in protest, then given an interview. While you’re serving the country, you follow orders. He had the option of saying “no” to any plan. If he didn’t stand up for what he thought was right, then he doesn’t have the backbone required to get the job done. This crap of running down people in the press while they’re working on the problem doesn’t help anyone, including McChrystal himself. He and McKiernan need to get on the same page.
hawksruleva on June 22, 2010 at 2:49 PM
Mr. Carter take over for Gen. McChrystal? To horrific to contemplate.
Cindy Munford on June 22, 2010 at 2:49 PM
Good intentions are used to determine sentencing.
Not to determine guilt or culpability.
You cannot govern by good intentions as you soon find yourself being sentenced and people questioning just how good your intentions were based on the outcomes.
ajacksonian on June 22, 2010 at 2:50 PM
Professional is overrated.
Tav on June 22, 2010 at 2:51 PM
We will have to see what the outcome is. I hate to have my faith in the only thing the federal government does half way correct shaken. Obviously not including their purchasing procedures, but I blame Congress for that.
Cindy Munford on June 22, 2010 at 2:54 PM
Spinning Gold from Straw is not as easy as it might look.
Tav on June 22, 2010 at 2:55 PM
Cindy Munford on June 22, 2010 at 2:48 PM
You know, I don’t think there will be a director out there who would embarass himself to make a movie about this presidency. After all, it would be an indictment on Hollywood as well since they all had a hand in his worming his way into the White House. Who knows, perhaps a comedy writer/director team would take it on!
KickandSwimMom on June 22, 2010 at 2:56 PM
What would encourage anyone in the military to trust the press?
Cindy Munford on June 22, 2010 at 2:58 PM
In Afghanistan, failure is the inevitable outcome. The sooner we get out the better. As Niccolo said, “The wise man does at once what the fool does finally.”
Tav on June 22, 2010 at 3:00 PM
You’re full of sh-t for even saying that. Broad-brushing the United States’ armed forces for a handful of incidents that you’d be hard-pressed to find latter-day duplications of, is asinine and thoroughly insulting. As a Veteran, I find it completely stupid and vapid, and it confirms to me that you’ve not only never worn a uniform, but couldn’t wear one, even if it just said: “den mother”.
Yes, what General McChrystal did was wrong, and don’t get me wrong: I am no McChrystal booster. He voted for Obama, and I’m not too fond of the O-Bots. However, one place the Army (Marines/Navy, Air Farce) enjoys freedom of speech is behind closed-doors. His primary sin was allowing a civilian to hear this, knowing full-well he’d make it public. Civilians, for the most part, are beneath contempt and untrustworthy; especially democrats and reporters, let alone democratic reporters. However, using this as an excuse to denounce the forces as looking “as inept as the rest of the government” is utter bullcrap, and you should be ashamed of yourself; whether you will, I seriously doubt. Democrat-lover that he is, he is still managing a situation just as difficult, and much deadlier, than what Obama’s messing up. Obama can claim he’s sending people into harm’s way, but it’s not him doing it: it’s the commissioned, non-commissioned officers and warranted officers. They really give the orders, and in many cases, even have to be the ones to go out and face death. McChrystal is working in a difficult theater of war, with an intentionally difficult, naturally incompetent, inherently inept, intrinsically ignorant and chronically uncooperative so-called CINC. If you’re going to criticize someone, try thinking, first, before you write something stupid, which only ends up criticizing yourself. McChrystal and Team America deserve criticism for being foolish enough to allow things that should never have been allowed out from behind closed-doors to be spoken in front of the lowest form of invertebrate life: the civilian, leftist reporter. Obama deserves harsh criticism for his absolute and utter failure as a leader and military CINC. As Mark Levin says, ‘everything he touches turns to crap’. Finally, you deserve criticism for casting aspersions on military discipline and maturity (something I don’t know that you could measure up to and successfully participate in) for the actions of a few people. Quite frankly, your statement was about as stupid as if I decided to make a blanket statement decrying how stupid and ignorant women are, based on your brainless smear against the armed forces.
Virus-X on June 22, 2010 at 3:02 PM
The divide may have contributed to the impossibility of creating a coherent plan, however, the leadership vacuum at the top made it a certainty.
ted c on June 22, 2010 at 3:02 PM
I hate newspapermen. They come into camp and pick up their camp rumors and print them as facts. I regard them as spies, which, in truth, they are. If I killed them all there would be news from Hell before breakfast.
(William Tecumseh Sherman)
Tav on June 22, 2010 at 3:02 PM
I know many people who feel that way. I am Vietnam era wife, so I both hate to see not fighting to win but also another loss for our country.
Cindy Munford on June 22, 2010 at 3:03 PM
1. General asks for more troops. Obama waits for a face to face for over seven months.
2. General punctures our young inexperienced (& noted budget hawk) micron thick skin, gets meeting in seven hours.
Compare and contrast.
jukin on June 22, 2010 at 3:04 PM
The McChrystal episode mystifies me, and it seems to be one more incident that indicates this administration is falling apart. It scares me. It all seems out of control and coming to a head rapidly.
Has BO reaped what he sowed with McChrystal? I think so, but he’s reaping a lot of animosity on many fronts, and much of it is self-inflicted.
This all feels eerie and unsettling to me.
Cody1991 on June 22, 2010 at 2:22 PM
I concur, as the administration, and Obama particularly, continue to unravel they are acting completely flustered by events. They’ve started to run into the brick walls of reality and they seem utterly confused to discover that their delusional world views don’t match up to the real world. Their entire strategy comprised of all the world and its denizens woulod recognize the magnificence of the Orator in Cheif and bow to their majestic progressive wisdom.
Now that that has failed they have no plan ‘B’, they got nada.
Unfortunately, the rest of the world is witnessing this fact in real time and will consider what advantages they can seize as Obumbles flails this way and that trying to regain the illusion of his competence. If I were the Norks I’d seriously consider upping the ante on the RoK, if I were China the same and maybe start some manoevers around Tiawan. Or how about Chavez, he raelly doesn’t want to challenge the FARC battle tested Columbians, but what about a thrust towards the canal on his doorstep? For that matter any the possible options that Putin would like back in the fold, Georgia, Poland, the Baltic states?
There are inherent dangers entailed with weak leadership, and ther are many who have to be licking their chops at the display by this White House.
Elections indeed have consequences and we have yet to fully realize what we have sown by putting these delusional clowns
at the helm of our ship of state.
Archimedes on June 22, 2010 at 3:04 PM
Gee, I thought my statement was a comment on how the current administration’s lack of leadership was coloring the view of the military. But thanks for making all those great statements about someone you don’t know based on a single a post of someone you no nothing about. Sorry I was unclear but I am equally sorry that you feel the need to insult.
Cindy Munford on June 22, 2010 at 3:08 PM
McChrystal apologized to all mentioned in the RS article but not to Obama.
He might go in just to resign.
I rejoice in reading the book and seeing the movie.
The general might be free, soon.
Schadenfreude on June 22, 2010 at 3:08 PM
Sorry, I know that statement makes little sense, but I am bit hurt by the attack.
Cindy Munford on June 22, 2010 at 3:09 PM
“They” do look “inept” and “unprofessional”, but that, under the circumstances, is not a bad thing. I consider it to be as an immune response to an invading organism.
Tav on June 22, 2010 at 3:09 PM
In the aftermath of Pearl Harbor, Admiral Ernest Kink had this to say about his fellow officers, Stark (CNO) and Kimmel (CINCPAC): “In the case in question, they indicate the lack of the superior judgment necessary for exercising command commensurate with their rank and assigned duties, rather than culpable inefficiency. Since trial by general court martial is not warranted by the evidence adduced, appropriate administrative action would appear to be the relegation of both these officers to positions in which lack of superior judgment may not result in future errors.”
I think McChrystal and Obama have both indicated the lack of the superior judgment necessary for exercising command and should be relegated to positions where such lack will not cause further harm to our country.
wright on June 22, 2010 at 3:10 PM
Watch what happens with GEN McChrystal—has he said anything that the rest of us haven’t said? Not really–the only difference is that he is in the position where Obama has him by the short and curlies. Obama has both the responsibility and authority to do what he wishes with the general and I’m sure he’ll be happy to exercise that power—a power he wishes he had over Rush, Hannity, Fox, and anyone else who would dare to speak the truth about his feckless and flaccid foreign policy and military strategy.
ted c on June 22, 2010 at 3:10 PM
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