Obama WH to illegals: We’ll help you get paid fairly

posted at 1:36 pm on June 21, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Via FoxNation, behold the most tone-deaf public-service announcement — yet — from the Obama administration. The US government occasionally conducts raids on employers who hire illegal immigrants as workers, even during Barack Obama’s term of office. Now suddenly Secretary of Labor Hilda Solis has established a hotline number, not for people to tip the government to employers breaking the law, but to act as an agent for illegals to make sure they get paid “fairly”:

Does it occur to the White House at all that “undocumented” workers are breaking the law themselves? They shouldn’t be exploited, but then again, they shouldn’t be here to be exploited, either.  At the same time that the Obama administration contemplates a lawsuit against Arizona to stop them from enforcing immigration law, they’re working on a program that supports the people breaking that law, all while unemployment continues at a high rate long after their stimulus plans have run aground.  Instead of enforcing the law – which is, after all, the raison d’être of the executive branch — they’re conspiring to help people break it, and with our tax dollars, no less.

Of course, this could be an elaborate ruse to find new sites to raid.  The political fallout from that would be fun to watch, but alas, it seems that despite the cheesy graphics and extraordinarily bad concept, Obama and his team are serious about helping illegal immigrants get paid more for their work.

Update: Stephen Gutowski reports that this is a work-around for a Supreme Court decision that ruled that illegal immigrants don’t have standing to fight wage issues:

Basically they know that they’re violating the intention of the supreme court’s ruling in Hoffman Plastics but they don’t give a damn. They throw up the weak argument the ruling only applied to the specific law that was addressed in the case. However, I think the court is clearly saying that the government can’t force employers to pay wages that couldn’t have been legally earned in the first place.

This all makes me wonder if Obama’s DOL is going to make sure that drug dealers are paid a “fair” wage by the gangs that employ them? I mean is that not the same situation? An employer which knowingly illegally employs someone and exploits them?

Will Obama’s DOL make sure all people illegally employed are paid a “fair” wage or just the ones whose political cause they support? And even if they do try to help all people employed illegally does that make it any better? How can anybody justify any of this as a good idea?

The only interest that the government should have is enforcing the border and immigration laws.


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“ignore safety violations”

Like Obama’s administration and hired hands failing to conduct proper safety inspections of deep sea oil wells.

AS IF only Hispanic laborers are required to work under whatever safety measures an employer provides or denies.

IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME, with or without labor unions, with or without labor laws. What goes around comes around, and these days, corruption and incompetence are making this broken world go around.

maverick muse on June 21, 2010 at 2:16 PM

But if he weren’t, he’d hit it. :P

lorien1973 on June 21, 2010 at 2:14 PM

Let’s see… if you would hit yourself if you were the opposite gender… what would that make you? My brain hurts to think about it! :-)

Mary in LA on June 21, 2010 at 2:16 PM

Mary in LA on June 21, 2010 at 2:16 PM

I dunno, but I’m sure I’ve seen adult websites that dealt with similar situations…lemme scan my bookmarks.

lorien1973 on June 21, 2010 at 2:17 PM

They shouldn’t be exploited, but then again, they shouldn’t be here to be exploited, either.

This is a political ad.

You’re right Ed. They shouldn’t be exploited. And that goes for those inside and outside Mexico that have now turned the exportation of the mestizos into an industry. That includes pendeja Solis.

How often have you heard that even the poorest of Americans can live like kings in Mexico on our wage levels?

So just imagine low the ‘fair wage’ can go and still be higher than wages in Mexico for unskilled labor? That’s the problem we face. $5 a hour vs $5 a day.

Texas Gal on June 21, 2010 at 2:17 PM

If this is such a racist, sexist, hate-filled country of bigots, then why are these people coming here?

Good Lt on June 21, 2010 at 1:40 PM

To pirate.

maverick muse on June 21, 2010 at 2:17 PM

Obama is the Vichy president. He is holding office until our Mexican conquerors (and Black Panther partiers) can take hold.

joeindc44 on June 21, 2010 at 2:18 PM

–So you’re okay with allowing employers to threaten to turn in illegal workers unless they accept wages below the minimum wage, ignore safety violations, etc?

Jimbo3 on June 21, 2010 at 2:07 PM
Do you honestly think that is not happening all the time already? If that is what you do in fact think, you are not being honest with yourself.

Johnnyreb on June 21, 2010 at 2:13 PM

–And that’s probably the reason for the ad. You’ll notice that this is from the Department of Labor, which enforces the minimum wage laws.

Jimbo3 on June 21, 2010 at 2:19 PM

The vicious circle is, really, that if illegals -were- being paid a fair wage (IE what an american would work for), no one would hire them. They are hired -because- they’ll work for next to nothing.

lorien1973 on June 21, 2010 at 2:19 PM

So just imagine low the ‘fair wage’ can go and still be higher than wages in Mexico for unskilled labor? That’s the problem we face. $5 a hour vs $5 a day.

Texas Gal on June 21, 2010 at 2:17 PM

The illegal Mexican aliens are not limited to unskilled labor employment opportunities in the Southwest “right to work” states.

Machinists. Mechanics. Plumbers. Electricians…

maverick muse on June 21, 2010 at 2:19 PM

Say, Secretary Solis, how is that legal unemployment level these days?

Just asking… although you might want to think about getting Americans employed rather than helping illegals get a ‘fair’ wage.

ajacksonian on June 21, 2010 at 2:21 PM

So you’re okay with allowing employers to threaten to turn in illegal workers unless they accept wages below the minimum wage, ignore safety violations, etc?

Jimbo3 on June 21, 2010 at 2:07 PM
That’s a bogus question. Employers who hire illegal workers in the first place should be prosecuted. They’re part of the problem.

Mary in LA on June 21, 2010 at 2:12 PM

–Not a bogus question at all. So these employers first benefit by hiring illegal workers and then benefit by paying them less than minimum wage and threatening to turn them in to buy their silence. How do you think the government finds out about these employers?

Jimbo3 on June 21, 2010 at 2:22 PM

Hello Jimbo?

Are you interested in answering the question about “fair” wages and how to calculate them?

Hello? Bueller?

Ditkaca on June 21, 2010 at 2:22 PM

Jimbo3 on June 21, 2010 at 2:22 PM

Maybe you should turn in these companies, while you turn in people who don’t have health insurance.

lorien1973 on June 21, 2010 at 2:23 PM

So you’re okay with allowing employers to threaten to turn in illegal workers unless they accept wages below the minimum wage, ignore safety violations, etc?

Jimbo3 on June 21, 2010 at 2:07 PM

I miss Jimbo2…

Del Dolemonte on June 21, 2010 at 2:23 PM

If you have been keeping up with the convos in the Rahmm threads, the Solis family is part of the Chicago Family of the mobbed up Daley Machines of both Jr & SR. Perhaps the roll played by Patti Solis-Doyle is the most interesting, for it can be reasonably assured without Solis-Doyle Barack woulod have never won the nomination and thus the Oval.

Skip about half way down for an intro on Patti Solis-Doyle.

http://papundits.wordpress.com/2009/11/27/barack%e2%80%99s-magical-mystery-tour/

Archimedes on June 21, 2010 at 2:23 PM

Of course, this could be an elaborate ruse to find new sites to raid.

I doubt it. She’s a social justice radical, sponsors a summit every year on it.

PattyJ on June 21, 2010 at 2:23 PM

The US government occasionally conducts raids on employers who hire illegal immigrants as workers, even during Barack Obama’s term of office. Now suddenly Secretary of Labor Hilda Solis has established a hotline number, not for people to tip the government to employers breaking the law, but to act as an agent for illegals to make sure they get paid “fairly”:

Remember LAugh-In’s “Future News”?

Akzed on June 21, 2010 at 2:24 PM

Just another in a long list of items, proving….Obama hates this country, and every hard working, tax paying citizen in it.

capejasmine on June 21, 2010 at 2:24 PM

Though, if they meant to mislead the illegals, this would make a handy trap to identify them for deportation.

Count to 10 on June 21, 2010 at 2:24 PM

Remember all those wild internet rumors about how bad Obama would be?

Now proven wildly underestimated.

jukin on June 21, 2010 at 2:26 PM

So you’re okay with allowing employers to threaten to turn in illegal workers unless they accept wages below the minimum wage, ignore safety violations, etc?

Jimbo3 on June 21, 2010 at 2:07 PM

So you’re ok, with ILLEGALs being here, taking jobs, that would otherwise go to LEGAL American citizens?

capejasmine on June 21, 2010 at 2:26 PM

–Not a bogus question at all. So these employers first benefit by hiring illegal workers and then benefit by paying them less than minimum wage and threatening to turn them in to buy their silence. How do you think the government finds out about these employers?

Jimbo3 on June 21, 2010 at 2:22 PM

how do they “benefit” twice by hiring illegals? You’re so dense and you think so lowly of these people. If a Mexican is so damn stupid as to jump the fence, evade the law, get a job at a meat packing plant, and then to remain there only to be exploited by Big Corporation and subsequently never, ever think “Hey, I can get exploited illegally down in Mexico?” then you cannot complete an argument, nor properly frame this issue. Again, here’s your sign dumbass.

ted c on June 21, 2010 at 2:26 PM

lorien1973 on June 21, 2010 at 2:19 PM

Not necessarily “next to nothing”. Usually it’s simply less than the going rate, sometimes at the going rate, but certainly denial of any benefits, and the employer pocketing the federal withholdings as kickback from the employee who doesn’t exist on paper.

These same illegal aliens will be the ones getting cumulative votes, MORE than citizens are given, as a bonus from the Obama administration and Holder’s corruption of the judicial branch–in the works.

maverick muse on June 21, 2010 at 2:26 PM

–So you’re okay with allowing employers to threaten to turn in illegal workers unless they accept wages below the minimum wage, ignore safety violations, etc?

Jimbo3 on June 21, 2010 at 2:07 PM

This is really the only reason illegal immigrants get hired in the first place.

Count to 10 on June 21, 2010 at 2:28 PM

meanwhile—i had to close my dallas based remodeling business after 15 years because i can’t compete with paco and pedro

thanks u.s. govt.

devadevadasa on June 21, 2010 at 2:30 PM

–So you’re okay with allowing employers to threaten to turn in illegal workers unless they accept wages below the minimum wage, ignore safety violations, etc?

Jimbo3 on June 21, 2010 at 2:07 PM
This is really the only reason illegal immigrants get hired in the first place.

Count to 10 on June 21, 2010 at 2:28 PM

–For some jobs, it’s tough to get people to get enough people that are here legally to agree to work at minimum wage.

how do they “benefit” twice by hiring illegals? You’re so dense and you think so lowly of these people. If a Mexican is so damn stupid as to jump the fence, evade the law, get a job at a meat packing plant, and then to remain there only to be exploited by Big Corporation and subsequently never, ever think “Hey, I can get exploited illegally down in Mexico?” then you cannot complete an argument, nor properly frame this issue. Again, here’s your sign dumbass.

ted c on June 21, 2010 at 2:26 PM

–See above. And you’re assuming that someone in that position has enough money to be able to get back down to Mexico after settling any liabilities here.

Jimbo3 on June 21, 2010 at 2:31 PM

this is the only issue where businesses are not vilified. If a business makes 0.1% in profit—>demons! evil! however, if they hire 10 illegals, *insert sound of crickets chirping here*….

ted c on June 21, 2010 at 2:32 PM

How do you think the government finds out about these employers?

Jimbo3 on June 21, 2010 at 2:22 PM

Not likely because employers are telling on themselves. Hiring illegals is also illegal. So buying their silence by threatening to share a jail cell doesn’t really make a lot of sense.

I don’t like it that illegals are exploited (it’s one of the reasons I’m against illegal immigration), but that doesn’t mean I think we should give them amnesty. No one’s forcing them to take those jobs, and no one’s forcing them to break our laws.

Esthier on June 21, 2010 at 2:33 PM

The illegal Mexican aliens are not limited to unskilled labor employment opportunities in the Southwest “right to work” states.

Machinists. Mechanics. Plumbers. Electricians…

maverick muse on June 21, 2010 at 2:19 PM

And your point is?

Texas Gal on June 21, 2010 at 2:33 PM

–See above. And you’re assuming that someone in that position has enough money to be able to get back down to Mexico after settling any liabilities here.

Jimbo3 on June 21, 2010 at 2:31 PM

they seemed to be resourceful enough to both jump the fence and find that job for an increase in “net wages” albeit not “fair wages” (per Jimbo3), and now they’re stuck on stupid and can’t find a nickel to see the exit sign in southern Texas?…… here’s your sign again, jimbo–that’s a hattrick.

ted c on June 21, 2010 at 2:34 PM

Jimbo3 on June 21, 2010 at 2:22 PM

Here are some simple questions.

Do you think the Mexican government has a moral responsibility to its own citizens?

If not, why?

Why is the Mexican government dumping their citizens on the US and other countries?

Why is it our responsibility to employ them, possibly give them citizenship, even though they have violated our laws, and give them benefits that many Americans cannot afford?

When Americans are victims of crimes, including death and rape, why are we supposed to ignore this and allow the POTUS threaten to sue one of the few states in the country determined to uphold laws that are already Federal laws?

Please answer my questions to you.

Cody1991 on June 21, 2010 at 2:34 PM

Let’s see how this works with other “illegals”.

Drug Dealer: “Yo Hilda! I hafta hang outside in areas dangerous to my health and I’m exposed to all kindsa diseases. But my employer don’t provide no health insurance…”

Bank Robber: “I’m the wheel man. Can I deduct the gas and mileage I put on my car while practicing the escape route…”

Then again, we had ACORN helping out with the prostitution trade, so maybe this isn’t so far off.

taznar on June 21, 2010 at 2:34 PM

“ignore safety violations”

After workers fell off a construction scaffold, the local news reported on these dangers that the laborers inflict upon themselves by not wearing the proper gear for the job. Days later, a union rep was being interviewed down below while the construction workers above continued working without their safety gear.

When it comes to construction excavation, mining and oil rigs, damned the employers who cut corners and workers are caught in cave-ins or explosions.

maverick muse on June 21, 2010 at 2:35 PM

–For some jobs, it’s tough to get people to get enough people that are here legally to agree to work at minimum wage.

Jimbo3 on June 21, 2010 at 2:31 PM

True, and without illegals willing to work for less, these companies would be forced to pay a little more. Illegal immigration has artificially lowered wages in several industries in this country, and it’s not because these are living wages for an American but because these are decent living wages for someone in another country.

This is a problem.

Esthier on June 21, 2010 at 2:36 PM

Cody1991 on June 21, 2010 at 2:34 PM

Do you live in Florida? Just asking.

maverick muse on June 21, 2010 at 2:37 PM

–So you’re okay with allowing employers to threaten to turn in illegal workers unless they accept wages below the minimum wage, ignore safety violations, etc?

Jimbo3 on June 21, 2010 at 2:07 PM

Proof positive that two wrongs do not make a right. If employers followed the law there would not even be a conflict of “lesser wrongs.” On the other hand, if Congress listened to employers rather than bankers they wouldn’t keep jacking up the minimum wage without input from employer concerns.
.
If illegals knew it was nearly impossible to get a job in the US because employers were following the law, would they keep jumping the fence and crossing open, dangerous, desert at night to get in illegally?
.
Blame Mexico for Mexico’s problems, liberal.

ExpressoBold on June 21, 2010 at 2:38 PM

Jimbo3 on June 21, 2010 at 2:22 PM

Are you Hilda Solis?

Akzed on June 21, 2010 at 2:39 PM

Yep, that Sen. Kyl is a big fat fibber alright.

Cindy Munford on June 21, 2010 at 2:39 PM

So Jimbo3 , what should happen in the situation where an illegal is getting paid less than minimum wage? What should the authorities do?

Ampersand on June 21, 2010 at 2:40 PM

Jimbo3 on June 21, 2010 at 2:31 PM

It doesn’t have to be for bellow-minimum-wage jobs. The threat of the INS means that employers can offer them less money than they to to legal workers for the same job. That’s the point.

Count to 10 on June 21, 2010 at 2:40 PM

Another “In your face, American public!” from the Obama WH. I have little doubt they were holding this, and let it loose because of the Kyl news.

Punching back twice as hard.

Dusty on June 21, 2010 at 2:40 PM

Please answer my questions to you.

Cody1991 on June 21, 2010 at 2:34 PM

Jimbo won’t answer questions because it has no answers.

I do love this comment:

And you’re assuming that someone in that position has enough money to be able to get back down to Mexico after settling any liabilities here

Settle liabilities here? Seriously? Why on earth would you settle anything if you are illegal?

Anytime I here “fair wage” or “living wage” in an argument I absolutely know I’m dealing with a socialist and walk away

Ditkaca on June 21, 2010 at 2:41 PM

Jobs should NOT go to anyone who is here illegaly. Secure our borders!

TN Mom on June 21, 2010 at 2:41 PM

This is a problem.

Esthier on June 21, 2010 at 2:36 PM

Actually, the problem is that the legal workers here are often not allowed to work for less rather than get laid off.

Count to 10 on June 21, 2010 at 2:42 PM

Do you live in Florida? Just asking.

maverick muse on June 21, 2010 at 2:37 PM

No, but my state had one of the highest percentage increases in illegals a couple of years ago. We simply do not have the resources to cope.

You know, it shouldn’t be about “coping.” It’s wrong. Just wrong.

Cody1991 on June 21, 2010 at 2:45 PM

–For some jobs, it’s tough to get people to get enough people that are here legally to agree to work at minimum wage.

how do they “benefit” twice by hiring illegals? You’re so dense and you think so lowly of these people. If a Mexican is so damn stupid as to jump the fence, evade the law, get a job at a meat packing plant, and then to remain there only to be exploited by Big Corporation and subsequently never, ever think “Hey, I can get exploited illegally down in Mexico?” then you cannot complete an argument, nor properly frame this issue. Again, here’s your sign dumbass.

ted c on June 21, 2010 at 2:26 PM
–See above. And you’re assuming that someone in that position has enough money to be able to get back down to Mexico after settling any liabilities here.

Jimbo3 on June 21, 2010 at 2:31 PM

As to the “jobs americans won’t do” argument – tough. If they can’t find legal workers at the wage they are offering, they should offer more. And, if they are paying “minimum wage” to the illegals, then the argument that they aren’t being paid a “fair wage” goes out the window. And, if these employers truly cannot find workers to do the job at a wage that allows the company to survive, then that is a possible argument for increasing LEGAL immigration, through H2-A or other visas. It is not an argument for the U.S. Gov’t to coddle, advocate for, and encourage illegal immigration.

As to the second claim, who cares? That is what the gov’t should be spending money on – sending the illegals back to their home country. Not becoming an advocate for the illegals. Ohh, I feel so bad, people from a socialist country, a country with even more natural resources than the U.S., but who have pissed that wealth away by adhering to a philosophy the left wants to pursue here, flee their country and end up unable to pay their way back? Maybe all the people who worry so much about mexican illegals in the U.S. should wonder why mexico is such a mess in the first instance. It is not b/c they followed conservative ideas and philosophy.

Monkeytoe on June 21, 2010 at 2:45 PM

Texas Gal on June 21, 2010 at 2:33 PM

Not arguing. Just saying that illegal aliens are not all unskilled laborers, as many in Texas are skilled craftsmen. The newer Catholic church in Pflugerville stonework was beautifully done by Mexican masons, for instance. Machine shops lay off their citizen employees because journeymen illegal aliens are available, and fill the vacated positions.

maverick muse on June 21, 2010 at 2:46 PM

$26 Billion in remittances from illegals to Mexico. Of course they need to make higher wages.

Fair pay? How much is this idiot raking in?

walkingboss on June 21, 2010 at 2:47 PM

Actually, the problem is that the legal workers here are often not allowed to work for less rather than get laid off.

Count to 10 on June 21, 2010 at 2:42 PM

In that comment, I was referencing Jimbo’s comment about working for minimum wage. All Americans are able to accept that wage, but plenty decide not to in certain industries that used to pay double digit hourly wages but no longer do because illegals will work for much less.

But really, any American has the same opportunity to get paid under the table the way illegals are, so I don’t see that as being the main problem either.

I see a significant problem with those who only want to make money here and then live on that money in another country, which allows them to accept much less than an American worker can live on reasonably

Esthier on June 21, 2010 at 2:47 PM

Here are some simple questions.

Do you think the Mexican government has a moral responsibility to its own citizens?

If not, why?

Why is the Mexican government dumping their citizens on the US and other countries?

Why is it our responsibility to employ them, possibly give them citizenship, even though they have violated our laws, and give them benefits that many Americans cannot afford?

When Americans are victims of crimes, including death and rape, why are we supposed to ignore this and allow the POTUS threaten to sue one of the few states in the country determined to uphold laws that are already Federal laws?

Please answer my questions to you.

Cody1991 on June 21, 2010 at 2:34 PM

–Yes it does. But I don’t think it’s the Mexican government that’s telling them to go over to the US. It’s a problem of the economy in Mexico.

Jimbo3 on June 21, 2010 at 2:47 PM

Ditkaca on June 21, 2010 at 2:41 PM

Of course, he won’t answer. He was bleating and whining about the Palestinians the other day as we send them millions more.

This is an all-out war on middle class, working class Americans. We get nothing but a bill in the form of higher taxes, no jobs and a big, “Phuck You” from our government.

They have to go.

Cody1991 on June 21, 2010 at 2:47 PM

–Yes it does. But I don’t think it’s the Mexican government that’s telling them to go over to the US. It’s a problem of the economy in Mexico.

Jimbo3 on June 21, 2010 at 2:47 PM

So, the U.S. has a duty to accept every illegal from a country with a bad economy?

Monkeytoe on June 21, 2010 at 2:49 PM

Cody1991 on June 21, 2010 at 2:45 PM

So much for the initially lauded “Spock in the White House” — supposedly so cool and collected, proven daily to be so illogical and thin skinned.

maverick muse on June 21, 2010 at 2:49 PM

It’s a problem of the economy in Mexico.

Jimbo3 on June 21, 2010 at 2:47 PM

And who controls the economy?

You are an absolute idiot, and you really shouldn’t bother posting here. You’re too stupid for words.

Cody1991 on June 21, 2010 at 2:49 PM

The Fair Labor Standards Act can ding a employer for double back wages, attorney fees, additional penalties for willful violations, etc. There’s also the possibility of criminal penalties for underpaying illegals. So if these provisions are regularly enforced, fewer employers will court illegals. And fewer available jobs means less illegal immigration.

So whatever the Obama administration’s intention, enforcement of legal wages for illegals is not entirely a bad thing.

BCrago66 on June 21, 2010 at 2:49 PM

And, again, if Mexico wasn’t socialist, it would not be so poor.

Monkeytoe on June 21, 2010 at 2:49 PM

I agree with Solis. We should be paid every cent we earn. Unfortunately, we are not. Money is taken out for payroll taxes (not to mention the various forms of income taxes). We should all call that number to complain.

But I digress…

The only way someone could be paid an amount below the minimum wage is if they are being paid under the table. And in this scenario both parties (the payer and payee) are breaking the law. The payee is also being paid below market rates because they’re not going to have pay taxes on their earnings.

Otherwise, the only way for an “undocumented worker” to be paid legitimately is if they’re using someone else’s “documentation” i.e. social security number. That is otherwise known as identity theft and it’s also a crime.

No matter how you look at it, this is a policy designed to protect criminals against the negative effects of their own criminal behavior.

Heywood U. Reedmore on June 21, 2010 at 2:50 PM

It’s a problem of the economy in Mexico.

Jimbo3 on June 21, 2010 at 2:47 PM
And who controls the economy?

You are an absolute idiot, and you really shouldn’t bother posting here. You’re too stupid for words.

Cody1991 on June 21, 2010 at 2:49 PM

–Ok, retard. Who controls the Mexican economy? Do you think the Mexican government does? Or do you think a bunch of private employers do.

Jimbo3 on June 21, 2010 at 2:50 PM

–Yes it does. But I don’t think it’s the Mexican government that’s telling them to go over to the US. It’s a problem of the economy in Mexico.

Jimbo3 on June 21, 2010 at 2:47 PM

You Are Wrong

Ampersand on June 21, 2010 at 2:51 PM

Mexican President Calderon on illegals who are in Mexico:

“We send back them!”

US Secy of Labor
“We will help you get a fair wage.”

ted c on June 21, 2010 at 2:51 PM

But really, any American has the same opportunity to get paid under the table the way illegals are, so I don’t see that as being the main problem either.
Esthier on June 21, 2010 at 2:47 PM

Not really — employers don’t have the threat of deportation to hold over legal workers, so they can’t trust them not to run to the authorities.

Count to 10 on June 21, 2010 at 2:52 PM

This thing has La Raza’s fingerprints all over it.

Guaranteed.

pain train on June 21, 2010 at 2:52 PM

Jimbo3 on June 21, 2010 at 2:50 PM

uh oh! Jimbo is calling people retards now. He knows how much of a fool he’s being I guess.

Ampersand on June 21, 2010 at 2:52 PM

BCrago66 on June 21, 2010 at 2:49 PM,

Illegals already use the FLSA to sue employers – it happens all the time. Courts have held that the status of the employee does not matter when it comes to back-pay. There is a whole taxpayer funded legal services organization – Migran Farmworkers Legal Services – that does nothing but solicite migrant workers to sue farms. They have hit just about every apple orchard in NY. The only thing an illegal worker can’t collect on in damages in a lawsuit is lost future wages. They can collect on violations of everything else.

Monkeytoe on June 21, 2010 at 2:53 PM

The administration goes to war with businesses over just about everything…..except this.

telling.

ted c on June 21, 2010 at 2:53 PM

Maybe we should pick up the salaries of Mexican military units while they are escorting drug runners across the border.

Akzed on June 21, 2010 at 2:53 PM

–Ok, retard. Who controls the Mexican economy? Do you think the Mexican government does? Or do you think a bunch of private employers do.

Jimbo3 on June 21, 2010 at 2:50 PM

Like any socialist country, Mexico tries to control the economy, but just ends up with a ball of corruption.

Count to 10 on June 21, 2010 at 2:53 PM

And who controls the economy?

Cody1991 on June 21, 2010 at 2:49 PM

That’s an odd question. Controls? If the economy could really be controlled so easily, no president would have let it become a problem. There are things Calderone can do, but he can’t magically make his country a magnet for the unemployed.

That said, I’m not convinced that Mexico isn’t helping push its citizens into the US. They give them maps of the border complete with water stations. They want their people in the US, because it means more money flowing back into the Mexican economy at best and an export of their unemployed and poor at worst.

Esthier on June 21, 2010 at 2:54 PM

Wait! People keep saying that the dems are doing this and that to get the “illegal” alien’s vote. They can’t vote! Can they?

They are doing this to get the Hispanic vote. The ones who are here legally. Right?

Vince on June 21, 2010 at 1:53 PM

That’s so cute. You’re not serious are you? Illegals vote all of the time. Early and often. Look up “Hermandad Mexicana Nacional” sometime.

theCork on June 21, 2010 at 2:55 PM

–So you’re okay with allowing employers to threaten to turn in illegal workers unless they accept wages below the minimum wage, ignore safety violations, etc?

Jimbo3 on June 21, 2010 at 2:07 PM

Ok, so I’m supposed to worry about people who are performing illegal actions having crimes committed against them? Sorry, I wasn’t doing that.

Dude, the crack dealer up the street had half a kilo of crack stolen from him last week, and the cops aren’t working to get his crack back for him… it’s a travesty of justice!!!

What, are you ok with burglary being sanctioned by the government? No? So clearly the police should be out working the street to get this man’s crack returned to him… right? No? Man… here I was working to prevent crime being committed on those breaking the law, and now I’m told that’s silly? What the heck?

I’m supposed to worry about some criminals, but not others? Ok Jimbo, lay me some knowledge. Why should I support some criminals and not others? Why is breaking some laws ok, and breaking other horrible?

Oh, and is there any way I can get a free bank robbery allowed under these rules? That still looks like fun, but the jail time looks oppressive.

gekkobear on June 21, 2010 at 2:56 PM

–Ok, retard. Who controls the Mexican economy? Do you think the Mexican government does? Or do you think a bunch of private employers do.

Unfortunately, because Mexico is still mostly socialist, and because it is incredibly corrupt, the Gov’t mostly controls the economy. I wish it were private employers, then the country would not be so poor.

See, that questions shows your flawed thinking. You believe it is bad when private employers have freedom to conduct business, and somehow everyone would be better off if the gov’t “controlled” the economy. Which is what the dems and libs and O! want in this country. Unfortunately, history has demonstrated, again, and again, and again, that gov’t control destroys wealth and freedom.

Monkeytoe on June 21, 2010 at 2:56 PM

–Ok, retard. Who controls the Mexican economy? Do you think the Mexican government does? Or do you think a bunch of private employers do.

Jimbo3 on June 21, 2010 at 2:50 PM

Why don’t you ask Calderon?

Every time you post your idiotic comments you make an ass out of yourself.

But you never answer the question about moral responsibility, do you? The Mexican government actively encourages it’s lowest of citizens to leave because they don’t want them.

That isn’t necessarily the fault of “evil corporations.” It has more to do with the inherently corrupt nature of Mexico.

Like most mewling, sniveling liberals you can never place the blame where is properly belongs. It’s always the US. And you don’t care about US citizens who are suffering under these burdens.

It’s always the same in your twisted, narrow minds.

Cody1991 on June 21, 2010 at 2:57 PM

Something else for Issa to hopefully look into next year.

ThePrez on June 21, 2010 at 2:57 PM

Okay, I am so confused…. I thought it was illegal to work in the US if you were illegal, hence the reasoning behind the federal law that is not being enforced, so now they are attempting to enforce in Arizona? So now they make a video telling undocumented workers they are allowed to be paid fairly even though they are undocumented? Well.. as a current laid off employee living on the government nipple, I feel I need to be paid fairly, this unemployment check is not even half of what I am worth…, or what I made previously at my last employer.

shar61 on June 21, 2010 at 2:57 PM

Maybe we should pick up the salaries of Mexican military units while they are escorting drug runners across the border.

Akzed on June 21, 2010 at 2:53 PM

right, as long as we can promise them a “fair wage”–even though it may be a “net increase” in the wages they already earn, it just breaks my heart that they’d be getting exploited by drug cartels who wouldn’t pay them enough to settle their obligations so they could seek out a better life welching off someone else’s dime.

/jimbo3

ted c on June 21, 2010 at 2:58 PM

–See above. And you’re assuming that someone in that position has enough money to be able to get back down to Mexico after settling any liabilities here.

Jimbo3 on June 21, 2010 at 2:31 PM

Here’s a dumbass cap to go with the sign tec c gave you…

DarkCurrent on June 21, 2010 at 2:58 PM

again Jimbo, what do you think should happen if an illegal is being paid less than minimum wage? What should the authorities do?

Also, did you not know that the Mexican gov encourages illegal immigration to the US?

Ampersand on June 21, 2010 at 2:59 PM

Not really — employers don’t have the threat of deportation to hold over legal workers, so they can’t trust them not to run to the authorities.

Count to 10 on June 21, 2010 at 2:52 PM

I’m not sure how this makes sense. Employers are going to turn themselves in just to make sure that illegal employees don’t turn them in on a different but related issue?

Besides, if I get paid under the table, and I report this to the government, I’m also getting hit for taxes. In both circumstances, both sides have something to lose in going to the government. Plus, in your hypothetical, the American worker needed to work under the table in order to make money, so what would then prompt this worker to kill the golden goose?

Esthier on June 21, 2010 at 2:59 PM

Well.. as a current laid off employee living on the government nipple, I feel I need to be paid fairly, this unemployment check is not even half of what I am worth…, or what I made previously at my last employer.shar61 on June 21, 2010 at 2:57 PM

hey, relax, obama is just trying to spread the other half of that wealth off to some other illegal so they can come here, live in your house, and do as they wish in this country—especially if they vote for the big “D” on election day.

ted c on June 21, 2010 at 2:59 PM

That said, I’m not convinced that Mexico isn’t helping push its citizens into the US. They give them maps of the border complete with water stations. They want their people in the US, because it means more money flowing back into the Mexican economy at best and an export of their unemployed and poor at worst.

Esthier on June 21, 2010 at 2:54 PM

Of course that is exactly what is happening. Before the recession there was something like $20 billion in remittances going back to Mexico from the U.S. every year. That’s a huge percentage of Mexico’s GDP. Imagine if all 20 million illegals went back there – where would they work? Where would they live?

And while our Chavez-lite Administration cracks down on the pay of Wall Street executives, Carlos Slim becomes the world’s richest man and nobody says a word.

rockmom on June 21, 2010 at 3:02 PM

maybe if we could convince enough illegals that “Democrat” translated actually means “chupacabra” and “Republican” means “free Taco Bell” then we might get somewhere…..
.
quick, where’s my ad agency when I need them.

ted c on June 21, 2010 at 3:02 PM

Secretary of Labor Hilda Solis has established a hotline number, not for people to tip the government to employers breaking the law, but to act as an agent for illegals to make sure they get paid “fairly”

Who is managing the hotline, Andy Stern?? The Obama admin wants card check for unions but not for illegals. BTW, whatever happened to the E-Verify system?

TN Mom on June 21, 2010 at 3:02 PM

Remember, every worker in America has a right to be paid fairly.

Unless you happen to work in a tuna plant in Nanzi’s district.

pain train on June 21, 2010 at 3:02 PM

What’s Solis think of this?

Heh.

Akzed on June 21, 2010 at 3:03 PM

Jimbo3 on June 21, 2010 at 2:47 PM

Yes it does?!
Four questions, and “Yes it does” was the best you can manage as an apologist for the Mexican government.

The Mexican government prints maps of border US states, leaves bottles of water at the border, and literally encourages their citizens through media advertisements to illegally immigrate into the US, lest you feign ignorance that the Mexican government imprisons all illegal aliens in Mexico.

The Mexican government prohibits their citizens from owning or possessing any firearms, and fails to provide country villages with any police protection despite the drug lords kidnapping, beating and killing husbands and fathers who defy crime and teach their children to be good people.

The Mexican government has ALWAYS been an elitist aristocratic totally corrupt feudal system that uses the populace as peons, no matter who is president. Read what President and General Santa Anna wrote of the Mexican people after his defeat at San Jacinto and return to Mexico City. Having been ridiculed for originally embracing LIBERTY, Santa Anna said that the Mexican breed only deserves to be ruled by autocrats, though there would be nothing wrong should the autocrat be benevolent. That’s still the consensus of the Mexican elitist caste, regardless of political identity.

maverick muse on June 21, 2010 at 3:04 PM

Esthier on June 21, 2010 at 2:54 PM

Esthier, what I’m trying to say is that Mexico is a country rich in natural resources. They have a thriving tourist trade. They have the ability to improve the lot of their citizens if they chose to do so.

They don’t. It is a class society, and it is a racist society. The Mexican government takes the easy way out, and unfortunately, our politicians on both sides like the idea of permanent, entitlement minded voting blocks. As we have seen since the 60′s, this is a killer. It’s bad for the recipients, and it also cripples the taxpayers.

This is so obvious, but it seems to completely escape the liberal mind.

Cody1991 on June 21, 2010 at 3:05 PM

Do these guys get a fair wage?

Akzed on June 21, 2010 at 3:05 PM

Remember, every worker in America has a right to be paid fairly.

Unless you happen to work in a tuna plant in Nanzi’s district.

pain train on June 21, 2010 at 3:02 PM

…unless you are a conservative or your governor is a Republican…

maverick muse on June 21, 2010 at 3:06 PM

But really, any American has the same opportunity to get paid under the table the way illegals are, so I don’t see that as being the main problem either.

I see a significant problem with those who only want to make money here and then live on that money in another country, which allows them to accept much less than an American worker can live on reasonably.

Esthier on June 21, 2010 at 2:47 PM

An American can work “under the table” if he/she has never paid taxes before; but if you’ve been an electrician or landscaper for years and paid your taxes, it’s pretty hard to suddnely go underground without the IRS or your state /local governments noticing. And illegal workers have taken down wages in those professions substantially. Just ask any building contractor, roofer, painter, etc. in your town.

The other things the illegals do that Americans generally don’t do is live with 10 people in a one-bedroom apartment. This is also illegal in most communities but is almost never enforced. They can afford to accept obscenely low wages and still send money back home because they pay next to nothing for rent, have no furniture, drive cars without insurance, leave their kids alone all day with no supervision, etc. This isn’t necessarily “living better” than they could live in Mexico, but they are able to make more money and send it home than they could make back home.

rockmom on June 21, 2010 at 3:08 PM

They have the ability to improve the lot of their citizens if they chose to do so.

Cody1991 on June 21, 2010 at 3:05 PM

I believe this, but we probably disagree on how easy it’ll be. I also see this as a moral reason for keeping illegals from crossing the border, because keeping them in their own countries might force them to work to change their own governments instead of taking the easier way out.

I agree that the problem is with Mexico’s government, but I also believe the citizens must share some of the blame and the responsibility to fix things.

Esthier on June 21, 2010 at 3:09 PM

Will Sollis take into account the FREE healthcare and education the illegals get?

TN Mom on June 21, 2010 at 3:09 PM

The really funny part is watching blabbering Jimbo3 and his Obama Party ilk talk about enforcement when they completely opppose it.

The boycott resolution won’t be the only immigration-based measure on the board’s agenda Tuesday. The supervisors also are expected to pass a resolution condemning audits by the Immigration and Customs Enforcement designed to force local employers to fire undocumented workers.

Again, total consistency from the idiot Solis. She and the rest of her tax-dodging ilk refuse to enforce the laws except when it benefits her welfare addicted party’s base.

northdallasthirty on June 21, 2010 at 3:10 PM

Of course that is exactly what is happening. Before the recession there was something like $20 billion in remittances going back to Mexico from the U.S. every year. That’s a huge percentage of Mexico’s GDP. Imagine if all 20 million illegals went back there – where would they work? Where would they live?

And while our Chavez-lite Administration cracks down on the pay of Wall Street executives, Carlos Slim becomes the world’s richest man and nobody says a word.

rockmom on June 21, 2010 at 3:02 PM

Exactly. As I recall, remittances were the second largest source of revenue for the Mexican government.

Has anyone ever had the joy of having to mail a package on Saturday? Even in my small town I’ve had to stand in a line snaking around a couple of blocks because all of the illegals were sending money orders back home.

And that’s my point.

Mexico has an obligation to its own citizens. What is occurring is deplorable.

More importantly, the US has an obligation to its citizens. Much is asked of us, and we need to demand more, much more. There will be a breaking point if this does not end.

At the very least we must demand that the president enforce our federal laws.

Cody1991 on June 21, 2010 at 3:12 PM

An American can work “under the table” if he/she has never paid taxes before; but if you’ve been an electrician or landscaper for years and paid your taxes, it’s pretty hard to suddnely go underground without the IRS or your state /local governments noticing.

I’m sure that’s normally true, but considering the current unemployment rates, I somewhat doubt it. Plenty of people are suddenly going underground in that sense.

And illegal workers have taken down wages in those professions substantially. Just ask any building contractor, roofer, painter, etc. in your town.

I agree. That was a point I was making earlier.

This isn’t necessarily “living better” than they could live in Mexico, but they are able to make more money and send it home than they could make back home.

rockmom on June 21, 2010 at 3:08 PM

No, but it is a temporary arrangement. As soon as they have enough, they go back and live off of what they’ve earned here before starting over again. That was the point I made about being able to accept these lower wages because they aren’t using the money to live here. That is another way they are able to artificially lower wages for American jobs.

Esthier on June 21, 2010 at 3:16 PM

Obama WH to illegals: We’ll help you get paid fairly

Obama WH to citizens: We’ll make sure you get screwed totally.

Mojave Mark on June 21, 2010 at 3:17 PM

maverick muse on June 21, 2010 at 2:46 PM

I understand and agree. Just wanted to check out your “right to work”.

My point is that the arguments about why the illegals are crossing our borders that applied a couple of decades ago don’t apply now. That’s not what is driving them now. It’s has become a profitable business model for the Mexican government and the ruling class, not just the political class. Calderon as much as said so if you listened to what he said which was basically, Mexico is providing the cheap labor that Americans need and we in turn are obligated to provide that cheap laborer with the benefits afforded to all Americans. The Mexican government now has an official policy on border security and that seems to have gotten lost in all the hoopla about Calderon’s speech.

Texas Gal on June 21, 2010 at 3:17 PM

I’m not sure how this makes sense. Employers are going to turn themselves in just to make sure that illegal employees don’t turn them in on a different but related issue?

Besides, if I get paid under the table, and I report this to the government, I’m also getting hit for taxes. In both circumstances, both sides have something to lose in going to the government. Plus, in your hypothetical, the American worker needed to work under the table in order to make money, so what would then prompt this worker to kill the golden goose?

Esthier on June 21, 2010 at 2:59 PM

The employer doesn’t take as big a hit for turning the illegal in as the illegal does for getting deported, and the illegal will never see that pay increase anyway, so it is an effective deterrent.

Count to 10 on June 21, 2010 at 3:19 PM

I agree that the problem is with Mexico’s government, but I also believe the citizens must share some of the blame and the responsibility to fix things.

Esthier on June 21, 2010 at 3:09 PM

Yes, indeed. That’s always the difficulty. Why should anyone in Mexico bother when it’s so easy to continue as things are now? They have no responsibility because we have allowed this to continue for so long.

But now we’re at a breaking point. Our economy is not improving as it should from this recession, and it’s clear that this administration has no interest in jump-starting the private sector.

They are forcing people into an untenable situation. In the end, if the illegal situation is going to change, we must do it. Mexico won’t.

I guess my hot button is the fact that we are always criticized and maligned while Mexico gets off without a word. We’re at a critical point now, and things really must change. With every day we find that we have an administration that treats American citizens as Mexico does its own. They don’t care. And yet, we are asked to keep footing the bill.

To me, this is a situation that can blow up in flames. I don’t want to see that.

Cody1991 on June 21, 2010 at 3:22 PM

And you’re assuming that someone in that position has enough money to be able to get back down to Mexico after settling any liabilities here

Okay, I’ve stopped laughing long enough to type. Gosh! Let’s say I’m a Mexican in the US illegally, and I’m not making enough to make ends meet here in El Norte, so I decide that I want to go home. But I don’t have the money for a plane ticket ($407 LAX – Mexico City) or a bus ticket ($200 LAX – Mexico City), I don’t own a car, and hitchhiking is just too darn dangerous. What to do, what to do?

Aha! I know! I’ll just turn myself in to these fine fellows. They’ll arrange for my safe deportation back to my home town, and I do believe (though I may be wrong) that it’s the kindly U.S. taxpayer who will foot the bill. Problem solved!

Mary in LA on June 21, 2010 at 3:22 PM

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