Kyl: Obama told me he won’t secure the border until Congress agrees to amnesty

posted at 8:00 pm on June 20, 2010 by Allahpundit

Via ColdWarrior at Red State, the whole clip’s worth watching but skip ahead to three minutes in for the money bit. Does any term of art exist to describe a revelation that’s shocking in one sense and yet not at all surprising in another? (“Kinsleyan gaffe” is in the ballpark, but that’s not quite what this is.) Of course The One won’t do anything about the border until he gets some political cover from Congress on amnesty; his party wants to build a heavy Democratic majority among Latinos long-term and he’s not going to mess that up. What’s stunning is simply the fact that he’d be so candid, to a member of the opposition no less, in admitting his dereliction of duty. Sure, he could fulfill his constitutional responsibility and try to enforce federal law — but what good will that do him politically? If Congress wants to see some action at the border, they need to make it worth his while. And you thought the BP deal was a “shakedown.”

Painful exit question: Isn’t this yet another example of Obama carrying on Bush’s policies? Dubya might not have been as blunt about the reason for his own poor track record on border enforcement, but let’s not kid ourselves.


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The President, for political reasons, has refused to protect American citizens living in Arizona, from murderers, kidnappers, human traffickers pouring over
their border because he wants to win a political game.

Obama is allowing Americans to be kidnapped, raped and murdered so that he can pass an unpopular piece of legislative garbage.

The first duty of a President is to protect its citizens, and Obama is allowing Arizonans to be massacred for political expediency.

Impeach the President!

Mark7788 on June 21, 2010 at 2:14 AM

Mark7788 on June 21, 2010 at 2:14 AM

With respect…

… It’s not just Arizona.

Seven Percent Solution on June 21, 2010 at 2:36 AM

I agree with the majority of posts. To render the issue down properly was done well by Rep. Kyle. To get ahead of the illegal immigration problem it is essential that no deals can cut to allow any form of amnesty.

I have never understood how President Obama and his team do not understand the term “Illegal”. Illegal is just what it says it is crossing the boarder without proper documentation. While the reason that these foreigners seek to live a better life and are willing to risk their lives and meager fortunes to live in the U.S. is understandable and commendable. However, breaking the law in the hope of not getting caught puts them into into a serious conundrum because breaking the law is illegal and those committing an illegal act must pay the consequences.

If they would put as much effort into thinking how to enter the country legally, amnesty would not have to part of our lexicon.

MSGTAS on June 21, 2010 at 4:23 AM

What planet are you from if you think these illegals are looking for a better life? They are looking for easy street and it’s across the border where you can steal what you want, kill who get in your way and join a gang of your liking. If you get caught they only ship you back to try again. Arizona is doing the correct thing and the rest of the nation better wake up. Google , “The dark side of illegals”

mixplix on June 21, 2010 at 5:07 AM

Impeachment!

Refusal to uphold the laws of the land. The same should have been done to Bush -quickly- unless we wanted kings for presidents. On the other hand, isn’t that what we have now where mere subjects (GOP) let the truth slip and then break their brittle spines bowing and apologizing for telling the truth?

Imagine, our freedom depends upon the GOP’s willingness to fight these bold unconstitutional power grabs and criticism of the first African-American Marxist president is to be considered like nuclear weapons -never to be used until it’s too late. (John McCain’s candidacy anyone?)

Don L on June 21, 2010 at 5:23 AM

If Congress wants to see some action at the border, they need to make it worth his while. And you thought the BP deal was a “shakedown.”

*cue the godfather music*

cmsinaz on June 21, 2010 at 6:00 AM

G.W. considered comprehensive immigration reform (amnesty) to be part of his “compassionate conservatism”. That’s how he rationalized it to conform to his (sometimes) conservative ideals. Yes, it was cheap political pandering and most of us saw that. We were generally willing to forgive the effort as long as we could defeat it. I don’t think conservatives will be so forgiving in the future.

Extrafishy on June 21, 2010 at 7:35 AM

Let me be clear. I’ve consistently said…F**k you to the American people.

– Obama

fossten on June 21, 2010 at 7:46 AM

Zero wants amnesty so his own illegal citizenship status doesn’t get him arrested after he gets booted from office.

Mr Purple on June 21, 2010 at 8:05 AM

Painful exit question: Isn’t this yet another example of Obama carrying on Bush’s policies? Dubya might not have been as blunt about the reason for his own poor track record on border enforcement, but let’s not kid ourselves.

Maybe. But as you note, Bush is much smarter than O’Bozo (I know), and would never have made such a statement or even hinted at such a mindset. Even if it is true, and it might be.

Jaibones on June 21, 2010 at 8:46 AM

Shocking? He is onboard, just playing politics. Kyl is just the messenger boy. McCain is lurking because he is up for re-election this year.

Kyl was recently re-elected and campaigned on ‘secure the border first’. About 24 hours after winning he came back with the amnesty first dogma. Think Kyl is telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth? He wants you to feel the futility and despair of your position and bend so he can tout that the American people are behind him.

Again shocked at what? This position of “amnesty then security” has been the basic position of the last 4 presidents. The only differences were in the presentation. The ‘sacred’ Reagan even promoted amnesty and had it pass during his term, hence, I am not so hip to having another ‘Reagan’ in the Whitehouse either.

I think we are at a point where Arizona should consider securing the southern border ourselves. We have had a gusher flowing for years down here and it’s time to plug the damn hole.

AZ_Redneck on June 21, 2010 at 9:22 AM

Why is Bush even mentioned here? This is owned by BHO, mentioning Bush is a cowards way to avoid the subject.

Wade on June 21, 2010 at 9:38 AM

Why is Bush even mentioned here? This is owned by BHO, mentioning Bush is a cowards way to avoid the subject.

Wade on June 21, 2010 at 9:38 AM

You’re right – “Bush did it too” sounds like how my kids used to try and get out of trouble.

Obama is president and this is the issue in front of us now.

We’re not so naiive as to pretend that Bush didn’t try to do it.

The fact is, CIR didn’t pass in 2007 because we rose up and protested it and the bums in Congress were concerned enough about their re-election to not vote for it.

Now the government has changed. In BO’s Marxist thugocracy, the people are not to be listened to, the people are to be ruled. The socialized medicine townhall meetings and votes in Dec/March are proof enough of that for anyone willing to open his/her eyes.

Which is why the conversation Kyl is referring to is so worrisome.

Marybeth on June 21, 2010 at 9:55 AM

If the president refuses to protect our borders from illegal invaders, then he should be impeached. To blackmail American citizens by not protecting them unless they conform against their wills is treason.

volsense on June 21, 2010 at 10:00 AM

Pu-sy Kyl retracts by saying he “mispoke” in 3…2…1

LtE126 on June 21, 2010 at 10:03 AM

Why is Bush even mentioned here? This is owned by BHO, mentioning Bush is a cowards way to avoid the subject.

Wade on June 21, 2010 at 9:38 AM

It’s all they have Wade. They managed to harp on Bush, Bush, Bush, Cheney, Cheney, Bush, through the Bush years and people were stupid enough to buy it the ( the stupid, evil duo that stopped this country from being PERFECT) and so they think it will work now, even though their guy hasn’t got anything but rotten Chicago Politics.

It’s all they have. It’s all they ever had.

Noelie on June 21, 2010 at 10:04 AM

Ease up on the Bush bashing. He has changed his mind on amnesty. In fact, he’s convinced that his previous position on the issue is the main reason he didn’t get a single vote in the last Presidential election. He has assured me, in private conversations, that he will veto any amnesty bill that crosses his desk.

Now, you can worry about Obama and amnesty.

lonesomecharlie on June 21, 2010 at 10:09 AM

Isn’t this yet another example of Obama carrying on Bush’s policies? Dubya might not have been as blunt about the reason for his own poor track record on border enforcement, but let’s not kid ourselves.

You assent at last.

Yes, “compassionate” socialism posing as conservatism via the “NEO” headline constructed Obama’s platform, served ready made to this administration to further corrupt the Constitution.

The puppet masters certainly pull both party strings as things stand.

maverick muse on June 21, 2010 at 10:31 AM

lonesomecharlie on June 21, 2010 at 10:09 AM

Thanks for that!

maverick muse on June 21, 2010 at 10:32 AM

Noelie on June 21, 2010 at 10:04 AM

Obviously, you’re new to revise HotAir’s record so ignorantly.

maverick muse on June 21, 2010 at 10:34 AM

LtE126 on June 21, 2010 at 10:03 AM

Ha! The White House demands a retraction, denying that any such conversation ever took place. 3–2–1

maverick muse on June 21, 2010 at 10:36 AM

If the president refuses to protect our borders from illegal invaders, then he should be impeached. To blackmail American citizens by not protecting them unless they conform against their wills is treason.

volsense on June 21, 2010 at 10:00 AM

Obama’s gone too far, threatening to sue American citizens and an entire state in the union for abiding by the Constitution.

maverick muse on June 21, 2010 at 10:37 AM

I have never understood how President Obama and his team do not understand the term “Illegal”. Illegal is just what it says it is crossing the boarder without proper documentation.
MSGTAS on June 21, 2010 at 4:23 AM

Oh, they understand the term perfectly well; they simply don’t care because they are pursuing a loftier goal: a permanent statist governing majority.

ya2daup on June 21, 2010 at 10:53 AM

What exactly is the federal government supposed to do to secure the border to conservatives’ liking? Based on the public discourse on the subject, it seems to me conservatives won’t be happy unless the border is fully militarized. A fence or wall wouldn’t work, because areas of the border that already have a fence are frequently breached. Am I wrong in assuming that conservatives want troops watching every inch of the border?

If that’s the case, where are the troops going to come from? Where’s the money going to come from? Are we going to close overseas bases to make up for re-deploying troops on our southern border?

Since that’s never going to happen, can I assume conservatives are still going to insist on deporting all illegals? Even though there’s no way that’s going to happen either?

You folks need to be realistic about what’s possible here…

Enrique on June 21, 2010 at 10:58 AM

Why is Bush even mentioned here? This is owned by BHO, mentioning Bush is a cowards way to avoid the subject.

Wade on June 21, 2010 at 9:38 AM

History didn’t begin in January 2009, sometimes understanding a current problem requires looking back. I know a lot of the same people that refuse to look back before the current administration now, were quite eager to look back before the previous one.

Nothing is going to remove blame from Obama, so there is no need to be concerned that taking the entire issue into account is going to shift responsibility.

It’s all they have Wade. … It’s all they have. – It’s all they ever had.

Noelie on June 21, 2010 at 10:04 AM

Who is this mysterious “they”? All the other conservatives here?

Heralder on June 21, 2010 at 11:06 AM

This should be automatic Impeachment by congress.

Preamble
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Article 1
Section 8.
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Both branches have failed to uphole their constitutional mandate of providing for the common defense.

This is grounds for impeachment of both branches!

xler8bmw on June 21, 2010 at 11:25 AM

This is a violation of Obama’s oath of office and certainly seems like an impeachable offense, the problem is, can it be proved?

And many R’s in congress basically share Obama’s opinion on this and are not about to prosecute an impeachment case to the American people even if had video tape from multiple sources of Obama actually saying what Kyle alleged.

Pumicium on June 21, 2010 at 11:51 AM

>A fence or wall wouldn’t work, because areas of the border that already have a fence are frequently breached. <

Enrique on June 21, 2010 at 10:58 AM

We don’t know that a border fence won’t work. Much of the current border fence is nothing more than a short barbed wire fence, such as the kind used to keep cattle off the road. These can be easily breached – I used to climb over them when I was a kid! Some areas have vehicle fences which are designed to keep vehicles from crossing in the desert. However, the fence is nothing more than a series of short poles placed at wide enough intervals that people simply walk through. And in some areas that have the new heavy duty double construction fence, the fence abruptly ends and illegals just walk around it.

Obama halted the border fence construction, they’re ditching the virtual border and he’s cut budget funding by 30% for Customs and Border Patrol. He is putting our country at risk!

GrannySunni on June 21, 2010 at 12:37 PM

You folks need to be realistic about what’s possible here…

Enrique on June 21, 2010 at 10:58 AM

Ooh, the “we’re already here and there’s nothing you can do about it” argument. Yeah, well, I suppose America does not deserve a privilege that is afforded to all other countries in the world. A right to sovereignty and control of its own borders.

Spiny Norman on June 21, 2010 at 12:45 PM

The illegal aliens are not just people from Mexico.

Authorities said three suspected human smugglers accused of bringing 32 illegal immigrants into the U.S. from eight countries made their first appearance in federal court Friday.

An Immigration and Customs Enforcement statement said agents discovered a suspected drophouse near 91st Avenue and Thomas Road late Wednesday night. Agents pulled over one suspect, Samual Antonio Vasquez, 25, as he was driving away from the drophouse, the ICE statement said. Three females believed to be from China were discovered in the backseat of the car. Agents arrested Vasquez, detained the three women and then entered the drophouse, the statement said.

Inside the home, agents found 29 more people from India, Ecuador, Brazil, El Salvador, Honduras, Guatemala and the Dominican Republic. Also found inside were human smuggling suspects Marcos Francisco-Salazar, 22, and Joaquin Santana, 27, the ICE statement said.

Authorities said the three suspects are believed to be Mexican citizens.

http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/2010/06/18/20100618phoenix-drophouse-32-people-abrk.html

GrannySunni on June 21, 2010 at 12:46 PM

While you didn’t update the thread with the inevitable White House denial via ABC news, this is a great comment.

If the White House does anything less than secure the border, Kyl wins.

See I told you so

And Amnesty is still off the table. Kudo’s to Kyl, I might even send him a buck or two..

How novel, a Republican with a brain and some moxie… Where have they been for the last 60 years?

CrazyGene on June 21, 2010 at 12:55 PM

The WH is saying that Kyl lied. Well, given a choice between believing Kyl and believing a president who lies about everything and to everybody—his promises come with an expiration date, for heaven’s sake!—I’ll believe Kyl.

Therefore, the WH is lying when it says that Kyl lied about Obama saying he won’t defend the borders until the GOP caves on amnesty for illegal aliens.

Proof? Obama is going to sue AZ for enforcing US immigration law and ICE is stating they will not uphold the law they have sworn to uphold. Obama sent the NG to the border, but not to interdict illegal aliens. Everything Obama has done has made it possible for illegal aliens to come into this country to expand the Democrat voting base.

Why should I believe Obama over Kyl? No reason. Besides, the evidence supporting Kyl is stronger.

SilentWatcher on June 21, 2010 at 1:00 PM

You folks need to be realistic about what’s possible here…

Enrique on June 21, 2010 at 10:58 AM

We have the technology.

We have the urgent need.

People are getting angrier and angrier. We will soon have the will, I predict.

Edouard on June 21, 2010 at 1:02 PM

Too bad he did not get it on tape.

shar61 on June 21, 2010 at 1:03 PM

Marybeth on June 21, 2010 at 9:55 AM

The thing that just boggles my mind is that AllahPundit SUPPORTED the Bush Administration in putting Border Patrol agents in jail for a shooting. AllahPundit loved his pious demeanor and accused the Minute Men or anyone who was on their side as being irrational and on a vendetta.

NOW, he tries to lump all Conservatives along with Bush’s views even though during his Presidency will all vehemently opposed him on this subject. All to give President Obama cover for fully admitting he will put politics before the Presidency and before his oath of office and his duties and responsibilities to the American people.

What links will you go for your fluid Libertarian views that make you kinda fiscally “c”onsevative and entirely socially “l”iberal? It’s really is ridiculous.

Sultry Beauty on June 21, 2010 at 1:04 PM

Enrique on June 21, 2010 at 10:58 AM, if we start enforcing the law and make life hell for the illegals: no jobs, no schools, no housing without proof of residency verifiable as legal; intercept all cash transfers sent via non-bank/WesternUnion/MoneyGram companies; verify the status of all students in all schools; verify the status of people seeking medical assistance in our hospitals (illegals have caused hospitals to be shut because they don’t pay!); verify the status of all employees; use the state’s National Guard and State Police on the border—they’re not all in Afghanistan; arrest and swiftly deport a few thousand and send them home via their countries’ airlines (no cost to us cuz we’re commandeering their airlines and making their governments pay the bill); their governments will get the message and they will leave.

Illegal aliens are ruining America. It’s time that we implemented draconian measures to ensure that they show respect for our country and its laws.

SilentWatcher on June 21, 2010 at 1:08 PM

The US Border Patrol publishes a weekly newsletter which gives information about some, but not all, of the illegals arrested the prior week. Many of the illegals arrested the past week definitely were not family men seeking to better themselves by working in the US.
http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/border_security/border_patrol/weekly_blotter/0610_0616.xml

USBP Weekly Blotter: June 10 – June 16

(06/16/2010)Border Patrol agents seized over 16,147 pounds of marijuana and 129.6 pounds of cocaine. Agents arrested 10 criminal aliens and 11 gang members. There were 3 rocking incidents.

*This overview is compiled from incidents reported to the Office of Border Patrol and is not intended to reflect all Border Patrol enforcement actions. Most arrests and seizures fail to meet the requirements for mandatory reporting to the Office of Border Patrol

Here’s a few arrested last week that had previous convictions for child rape, etc., and had been deported:

Tucson Sector – Border Patrol agents arrested an illegal alien from Mexico near Coolidge, Arizona. Records checks revealed the subject had a prior conviction for rape of a child in the state of Washington, and had previously been removed from the United States.

Buffalo Sector – Border Patrol agents arrested an illegal alien from Mexico at the Greyhound bus station in Rochester, New York. Records checks revealed the subject had a prior conviction for child molestation and had previously been removed from the United States.
Tucson Sector – Border Patrol agents arrested an illegal alien from Mexico near Douglas, Arizona. Records checks revealed the subject had a prior conviction for attempted unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor in the state of California, and had previously been removed from the United States.
Tucson Sector – Border Patrol agents arrested an illegal alien from Honduras near Sierra Vista, Arizona. Record checks revealed the subject had a prior conviction for indecent liberties with a child and had previously been removed from the United States.

GrannySunni on June 21, 2010 at 1:58 PM

Actions speak louder than words. Do Obama’s actions (or inaction) support or contradict Kyl’s story?

Evidence says that Kyl is telling the truth, and the WH is filled with liars, starting at the top!

Seabecker on June 21, 2010 at 1:59 PM

A slightly flawed analogy at best, but a good metaphor anyways:

What if BP said that we won’t clean anything up until the Government stopped the leak?

Chip on June 21, 2010 at 3:17 PM

Should the instigators of the next terrorist attack be proven to have come over our southern border, what would be the people’s reaction to Obama?

kurtzz3 on June 21, 2010 at 3:24 PM

Isn’t this yet another example of Obama carrying on Bush’s policies?

As Obama said nov.7th 2008 ““We only have one President at a time”, and at this time it’s Obama.

DSchoen on June 21, 2010 at 4:04 PM

Chip on June 21, 2010 at 3:17 PM

Or we won’t sail our ships through those waters to fix the leak cuz there’s so much oil in the water.

DSchoen on June 21, 2010 at 4:07 PM

Anybody with a brain will believe Kyl. Why should he invent the story? Obama has already proved himself to be incapable of telling the truth if a lie will serve better. Besides, this quote exactly fits his agenda.

duff65 on June 21, 2010 at 4:50 PM

Anybody with a brain will believe Kyl.

duff65 on June 21, 2010 at 4:50 PM

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To quote paraphrase Al Sharpton… The problem is that it could have happened…

RalphyBoy on June 21, 2010 at 5:38 PM

Much the most amazing thing here is that Obama was so direct and unsubtle in expressing his position. It’s so Chicago to put it as he did. It evokes such a sense of invulnerability to audit, accounting, or criticism.

AP is right, Bush was hardly a true believer on securing the border. He pushed “comprehensive” reform himself (Orwellian formulation: if the border isn’t secured, it’s not comprehensive), and stood by that even when it damaged his popularity.

I remember getting a very slanted questionnaire from the RNC, probably in 2006 or ’07, in which I was asked to respond as to whether I favored the ridiculous, unworkable concept of trying to close off the border entirely (absurd! impossible!) and excluding immigrants period (code for “Be a racist!”), or whether I was much wiser, richer, more powerful, better looking, and had better breath and a smaller waistline, and thought only comprehensive reform made any sense at all. Of course, my actual position wasn’t even represented in this asinine joke of a questionnaire. I usually just toss these things, but that time I wrote a scathing note and returned the questionnaire.

At any rate, this was one of Bush’s main weak points. John McCain, whose voice is so loud today demanding a secure border, was also a big force holding up efforts to just address that problem in favor of taking a comprehensive approach.

It’s unpleasant to think about, but not unfair, to compare the postures of Bush, McCain, and Obama on border security vs. “comprehensive” reform — and find thematic similarities.

J.E. Dyer on June 21, 2010 at 6:19 PM

Funny how these WH spokesmen can answer certain questions immediately, while others they hem and haw on.

Dr. ZhivBlago on June 21, 2010 at 8:16 PM


“Since that’s never going to happen, can I assume conservatives are still going to insist on deporting all illegals? Even though there’s no way that’s going to happen either?

You folks need to be realistic about what’s possible here…”

Enrique on June 21, 2010 at 10:58 AM
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That’s the logic that what we are up against folks. They have already invaded, successfully, our country and now we should just accept surrender, suck it up, and let them become citizens.
If we attempt to enforce the laws that they broke, it would be “inhumane.” The illegals do the “baby waving” when they are about to be deported because their “anchor babies” are U.S. citizens and claim that it would break up their family. Why? Because their kids in the U.S. get WIC, Food Stamps, SCHIP, housing assistance, and all kinds of other bennies. If they take their kids back across the border, that gravy-train is cut off. THAT is why they complain about the “break-up” of families.
Immigration enforcement DOES NOT break up families. It cuts off illegal aliens from their stream of taxpayer dollars.

shorebird on June 21, 2010 at 10:56 PM

The choice to believe comes down to a senator who is not known to lie versus a president who has lied the past two years:

Obowma said among others:

“not gonna raise your taxes one dime”
“been there since day one”
“muslims invented mathemetics, navigation tools…”
“they acted stupidly”
“I wasn’t aware of my racist pastor”
“I wasn’t aware of Bill Ayers terror ties, he’s just a guy in the neighborhood” who launched his political career in Ayers house?
“I wasn’t aware who used airforce one to fly over NYC”
“you can’t run your AC at 70 degrees, use as much gas” as he heats the White House to 80 degrees in the winter and flys ALL OVER THE WORLD”…..

I choose KYl as being accurate.

dthorny on June 22, 2010 at 3:48 PM

As Obama said nov.7th 2008 ““We only have one President at a time”, and at this time it’s Obama.

DSchoen on June 21, 2010 at 4:04 PM

At the time, we had The President-ELECT of the United States.

dthorny on June 22, 2010 at 5:16 PM

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