Kerry: Green-jobs pushes always work, except where they don’t; Update: The Denmark experience
posted at 8:48 am on June 17, 2010 by Ed Morrissey
The Obama administration and Democrats in Congress have argued for at least the last two years that massive government subsidies for “green jobs” programs will eventually make America an economic powerhouse — even if no one can define what a “green job” actually is. The cap-and-trade bill will tax energy consumption and put tens of billions of dollars into the hands of Congress, which they plan to spend on pet projects in alternative energy production in the hope that it will force the kind of scientific breakthroughs that will allow mass production. They insist that this will create an explosion of jobs and profit in the green-energy sector.
However, this has been tried already, in Spain and Germany, and it’s no coincidence that Spain now teeters on the edge of bankruptcy. The Spaniards lost 2.2 jobs for every subsidized “green job” created by government intervention, hiking welfare costs and undermining economic growth. When asked about the Spanish example, the Senate’s cap-and-trade co-author John Kerry called it an “anomaly”:
Senator Kerry told reporters that “every study” shows that the subsidizing of alternative energy creates jobs, telling reporters on Tuesday, “We just told you that every study that has been made says that this creates hundreds of thousands of jobs a year,” he said. “Here we are in this month, and we just had 27,000 private sector jobs created. Do Americans want to say ‘no’ to anywhere from 250,000 to 540,000 jobs a year for the next ten, twenty years?”
However, according to a 2009 study from King Juan Carlos University in Madrid, Spain showed that the subsidizing of renewable energy was a complete disaster. In fact, the study said that for every new job depending on energy price supports, at least 2.2 jobs in other industries will disappear. Bloomberg reported:
“The premiums paid for solar, biomass, wave and wind power – - which are charged to consumers in their bills — translated into a $774,000 cost for each Spanish “green job” created since 2000, said Gabriel Calzada, an economics professor at the university and author of the report.
‘The loss of jobs could be greater if you account for the amount of lost industry that moves out of the country due to higher energy prices,’ he said in an interview.”
So, “every study” does not in fact show that subsidies create economic expansion. Kerry backpedaled:
I asked Senator Kerry about Spain’s own failed experience in the area of subsidizing alternative energy, and the Massachusetts Senator’s response sounded similar to someone saying Marxism or Stalinism never succeeded, because it was never implemented correctly. AUDIO
“If you look at other European countries, it depends entirely on exactly how committed they were and how far they were willing to go in terms of the breadth of the program,” he said.
“You have some anomalies in some countries where they began slowly. They didn’t have the right incentives, they over-subsidized a couple of different things– we’ve learned something from some of those mistakes, but I’m confident that the way we’re approaching this is really private sector determined. That’s the key here.”
The Spaniards might be surprised to hear that they “began slowly.” Their top-heavy approach put them deeper in debt, and now they face junk-bond status from credit analysts concerned over their soaring government spending. They are widely believed to be next in line to Greece for a collapse.
But Spain isn’t the only country with a study showing the futility of spendy green-jobs programs. Kerry Picket also reports in the same article that Germany’s own flirtation with government green-jobs subsidies resulted in lost purchasing power for consumers, job losses in other industries, and other economy-killing effects in their own study. This study also called into questions others that limit the scope of their analysis to just one side of the ledger:
“While employment projections in the renewable sector convey seemingly impressive prospects for gross job growth, they typically obscure the broader implications for economic welfare by omitting any accounting of off-setting impacts. These impacts include, but are not limited to, job losses from crowding out of cheaper forms of conventional energy generation, indirect impacts on upstream industries, additional job losses from the drain on economic activity precipitated by higher electricity prices, private consumers’ overall loss of purchasing power due to higher electricity prices, and diverting funds from other, possibly more beneficial investment.”
The basic fact in Spain is also a basic fact in the US: we don’t have the money for it anyway. Proposing $20 billion in subsidies for poorly-defined “green jobs” is the same in real terms as proposing $20 zillion for the same project. The money doesn’t exist in our Treasury. We would have to borrow it, which will extend the national debt, and the program will create inflation in energy and transportation costs, which will erode buying power while hiking prices in real terms. That is one of the big reasons that countries who attempt to force top-down solutions end up going the way of Greece — or Spain, in this case.
Update: Add one more study to Kerry’s “anomalies.” Denmark’s subsidies for wind power ended up having no net impact on job creation, but instead just shifted workers from unsubsidized to subsidized jobs, and at the cost of two average annual salaries per job (via commenter 16MPG):
The Danish Wind industry counts 28,400 employees. This does not, however, constitute the net employment effect of the wind mill subsidy. In the long run, creating additional employment in one sector through subsidies will detract labor from other sectors, resulting in no increase in net employment but only in a shift from the non-subsidized sectors to the subsidized sector. Allowing for the theoretical possibility of wind employment alleviating possible regional pockets of high unemployment, a very optimistic ballpark estimate of net real job creation is 10% of total employment in the sector. In this case the subsidy per job created is 600,000-900,000 DKK per year ($90,000-140,000). This subsidy constitutes around 175-250% of the average pay per worker in the Danish manufacturing industry.
So what Kerry meant to say is that every hypothetical study supports his claims for green-jobs programs, while every analysis of real-world experience is an anomaly.
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Del Dolemonte on May 19, 2013 at 6:10 PM
lolololol. Typical right winger. You deny Romney after he lost. A real independent libertarian you are.
HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 6:11 PM
Anti-Control on May 19, 2013 at 6:09 PM
I know. Trust me. Some of my HA anti-Troll rants are legendary.
kingsjester on May 19, 2013 at 6:11 PM
You keep saying that. Why? Does this mean you don’t pay taxes? People here aren’t going to stop paying their taxes because they aren’t outlaws, but you are apparently proud of being a leech because that’s the only logical conclusion I can draw from your repeated posting of this incredibly lame retort.
NotCoach on May 19, 2013 at 6:11 PM
*as much as
Iyou canAnti-Control on May 19, 2013 at 6:11 PM
“And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed—if all records told the same tale—then the lie passed into history and became truth. ‘Who controls the past’ ran the Party slogan, ‘controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.” – Orwell, 1984
workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 6:12 PM
Of course it doesn’t pay taxes.
It doesn’t even know what that means.
tetriskid on May 19, 2013 at 6:12 PM
Dude, I wrote this about Romney in December of 2011:
Mitt Romney: Flip-Flopping Away, Flip-Flopping Away. You Know The Weaker Your Foundation, The More You’ll Be Flip-Flopping Away.
Resist We Much on May 19, 2013 at 6:13 PM
Pfeiffer is to IRS what Susan Rice was to Benghazi.
rgeaste on May 19, 2013 at 6:13 PM
Reading through the thread, I see that Del is taking HAL to the cleaners. Very precise and logical. Well done, Del.
tommy71 on May 19, 2013 at 6:13 PM
He’s just waiting for the call to join the Obama Youths.
NotCoach on May 19, 2013 at 6:14 PM
“In a way, the world−view of the Party imposed itself most successfully on people incapable of understanding it. They could be made to accept the most flagrant violations of reality, because they never fully grasped the enormity of what was demanded of them, and were not sufficiently interested in public events to notice what was happening. By lack of understanding they remained sane. They simply swallowed everything, and what they swallowed did them no harm, because it left no residue behind, just as a grain of corn will pass undigested through the body of a bird.” – Orwell, 1984
workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 6:14 PM
No doubt HAL has an O’bama Shrine in its bedroom, and an O’bama poster taped to the ceiling above its bed.
I’m really looking forward to seeing how all of the Clinton Moles in O’bama’s “Administration”n dersperately try to change the meanings of actual words, and the meaning of actual laws, to keep their Gravy Train in office. Remember when Bill Clinton tried to claim an “executive privilege” for himself that had never previously existed in 200+ years of the Presidency?
Del Dolemonte on May 19, 2013 at 6:17 PM
Yep!
workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 6:17 PM
Too bad Shallow HAL is completely impervious to logic, evidence, and truth however, no?
Anti-Control on May 19, 2013 at 6:17 PM
I thought requests for documents concerning an investigation would specify which documents were demanded in the investigation, ala “We request all documents and correspondence from Sept X to November X.”
Not, “Send us some stuff to look at ‘k?”
Mimzey on May 19, 2013 at 6:17 PM
17 September 2012:
Resist We Much on May 19, 2013 at 6:17 PM
HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 6:11 PM
You’ve been nothing but a silly little arse all day. Did Mommy and Daddy go out of town and leave you home alone?
Are you posting from Argentina with a German last name?
Do you have only 2 brain cells left and they’re fighting to the death?
You are so oblivious to reality, it could run you over with a semi and you still wouldn’t recognize it.
Obama serves at the pleasure of the citizens of the United States of America, not the other way around, you maroon.
The truth will come out about all of these scandals…and you won’t like it. Because to ignorant, childish Liberals, like yourself, the truth is like garlic to a vampire. You’re only happy when you’re hiding from it or obfuscating it.
Now, go back to your room to gaze longingly at your Justin Beiber poster and leave the grown-ups to have an adult conversation.
Loser.
kingsjester on May 19, 2013 at 6:18 PM
I’m only doing part of it. h/t to workingclass artist as well!
Del Dolemonte on May 19, 2013 at 6:18 PM
In what capacity, water boy, from the looks of his posts I don’t believe he could handle anything more complicated.
You give HAL a job of simply wetting a pile of sponges and when you came back an hour later your house would be burned down.
Bishop on May 19, 2013 at 6:18 PM
The emails were originally available to congressmen only for viewing/reading and not for copying. According to Chaffetz, the Benghazi “minders” hovered over the shoulders of congressmen who were reading the emails.
It’s understandable that some errors were made when exact copies of the emails were not distributed and congressmen had to rely on notes and their memories in order to paraphrase them.
Strange how the dump finally happened just this past Thursday.
wyntre9 on May 19, 2013 at 6:19 PM
This is the same fascist who doesn’t deny the IRS wrongdoing, but is supportive of it. He doesn’t care. We know you RWM and that’s all that matters.
NotCoach on May 19, 2013 at 6:20 PM
Hot Air, 31 October 2012:
Resist We Much on May 19, 2013 at 6:20 PM
Until you are targeted.
hillsoftx on May 19, 2013 at 6:22 PM
Hot Air, 25 October 2012:
Resist We Much on May 19, 2013 at 6:24 PM
Believing you are independent anything is believing I will someday vote republican. You are no different than the rest of the GOP sheep on this blog.
HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 6:26 PM
If you call what Hayes and Karl did in paraphrasing these not-yet-released-only-viewed emails “doctoring”, I’d love to know what you call the process that took us from the original CIA memo to “spontaneous protest caused by a youtube video”.
Libs have been screaming “right wingnut teabagger conspiracy” for 8 months now, all while the facts coming out have proven that there was indeed a cover-up, and still none of the administration flacks can answer the most basic questions about what happened there in any detail. See: Pfeiffer’s hilarity today.
Personally, I am inclined to believe the louder libs scream, the more important it is to keep digging.
Also, I’m content with anything that prevents liberals from “fixing” the jobs issue. Given that this is the ideology that promulgates such absurdities as “economic justice” and “guaranteed income”, I’d just as soon have you guys stay distracted as long as possible.
rightmind on May 19, 2013 at 6:27 PM
You sound mean, unlike the righteous, always logically consistent Shallow HAL.
Anti-Control on May 19, 2013 at 6:27 PM
Why do you care what the little pissant says?
You have more intelligence in your little toe than he can ever hope to have in his lifetime.
Let him wallow in his liberal ignorance. You know the truth. We know the truth. That’s good enough.
gophergirl on May 19, 2013 at 6:28 PM
. . . wth
. . . walks back out.
Axe on May 19, 2013 at 6:29 PM
Anti-Control on May 19, 2013 at 6:27 PM
I’m not a mean man. I just get righteously indignant.
kingsjester on May 19, 2013 at 6:29 PM
Wow, nice time line write up.
dogsoldier on May 19, 2013 at 6:30 PM
Parse all you want sweet cakes. Bottom line is you couldnt wait to crawl over broken glass to vote for candidate Romney. That is a fact.
HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 6:30 PM
What you believe is the word of the day: irrelevant. You have proven yourself incapable of even articulating what I’ve actually said in the past. You are a liar and I’ve once again proven it.
Resist We Much on May 19, 2013 at 6:30 PM
Man, your mind must be real trip. That post is like an Escher drawing.
NotCoach on May 19, 2013 at 6:31 PM
Government Printing Office rushing out a new deck of fresh Race Cards to cover Obama’s behind.
The Plan:
Distract, Obfuscate, Delay, Mislead, Misdirect, Dawdle, & Lie, LIE, LIE.
profitsbeard on May 19, 2013 at 6:31 PM
We all do our bit…
: )
HAL claims to be a Professor of Humanities…
So I’m B*tchslappin’ him in a language that sinks in…Literature.
HAL is exposed as the happy Tool of Oppression and he professes in an industry where his job is in peril.
My craft and expertise cannot be taught effectively over the interwebs…his can and he knows it.
His professional days are numbered…His is the last gasp of encroaching anachronism and the denial of such prolongs his tantrum.
It’s all he has and why he’s here to taunt people.
sad really.
*shrug*
workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 6:32 PM
If my party and people who share my ideology start raving about how they are so proud to be anti America like the tea billies, I say target them too.
HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 6:33 PM
I agree.
HAL is just a fascist cheerleader. Probably a kid living in mom’s basement.
dogsoldier on May 19, 2013 at 6:34 PM
Ok, I don’t get this logic. We are sheep because we are against Obama. But he isn’t a sheep because he’s all for Obama. Totally whacked.
BeachBum on May 19, 2013 at 6:34 PM
They call it “spell checking”.
NotCoach on May 19, 2013 at 6:34 PM
See here, people, only a non-sheep person would call other people sheep for supporting a certain party while simultaneously stating that they would never ever vote for that party.
You have to think in
RussianLiberal to really understand, though you may have nightmares if you choose to do so.Bishop on May 19, 2013 at 6:35 PM
Resist We Much on May 19, 2013 at 6:35 PM
HAL is a professor of humanities? Good grief … no wonder.
Best possible advertisement for a degree in science, math, or engineering.
rightmind on May 19, 2013 at 6:36 PM
What disconcerts me is human value on American lives. We lost our Ambassador, something that hasn’t occured in decades, not even under evil Bush (/). And this administration still won’t come clean on what happened, and why, and how we were neutered enough to sacrifice our Ambassador. This administration is playing politics with the entire scenario, and obfuscating the truth. There was once a time when every American citizen (whether good or bad) had value. And our govt. (whether pub or dem) would go out of its way to rescue them. Now, the value of the life of our Ambassador is zilch. Truly, America is in decline, and under this administration, impotent.
tommy71 on May 19, 2013 at 6:36 PM
I am having a hard time understanding how partisan leftards like Shallow HAL are themselves struggling to explain why the most transparent administration in history doesn’t give us the all of Benghazi emails at once, immediately w/o hesitation, you know, being that it’s most transparent administration in history and all!
Anti-Control on May 19, 2013 at 6:36 PM
Said the lamb, as he was led to the slaughter of freedom by Wolf Obama.
Difficultas_Est_Imperium on May 19, 2013 at 6:36 PM
“Does Big Brother exist?”
“Of course he exists. The Party exists. Big Brother is the embodiment of the Party.”
“Does he exist in the same way as I exist?”
“You do not exist.” – Orwell, 1984
workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 6:37 PM
Yep
Ow, that’s gonna leave a mark. Heh. Nice.
dogsoldier on May 19, 2013 at 6:38 PM
Even worse than Benghazi:
Hi Diana –
It was on the morning of August 6th they went to my sister in laws house (Michael’s mother Betsy) Betsy had called me screaming around 9:30 that the Navy was at her house and that Michael was dead. It was horrific.
My husband & I ran up to her house and 3 representatives from the Navy were there. I kept asking them over and over what had happened & they said that Michael had gone on a rescue mission & the helicopter he was in had been shot down by the Taliban.
We thought that it was just Michael & a pilot we did not know there were other people on board. They kept telling us they were waiting for an update from the Command that they only had a little information. Then after about an hour my husband went on the computer and it was on there and he said “It wasn’t just Michael…there were others on the Chinook.”
Then I asked them again what had happened and they told me the number of our guys that were on there and they said there were 2 Afghan soldiers with them–they were interpreters. I said “I thought you said they were going to rescue Army Rangers” They said “That’s right” So I asked them “If they were going to rescue Army Rangers why would they need interpreters? Army Rangers speak English” They did not respond.
It was absolutely horrific. Michael was a sweet kid and he had plans for the future he was taking college courses and he was looking into going to Johns Hopkins for nursing. He was smart, he was really funny, and he had the kindest heart you would ever imagine.
One thing I am happy about–he knew that we all loved him dearly.
Thanks
Maggie
VorDaj on May 19, 2013 at 6:38 PM
Yagoda and Beria agree.
Bishop on May 19, 2013 at 6:39 PM
You don’t respond to a gnat, you swat it and get back to work.
‘Dialog’ with a noxious pissant is a WOT.
profitsbeard on May 19, 2013 at 6:40 PM
HAL is engaging in doublethink.
“In the end the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make that claim sooner or later: the logic of their position demanded it. Not merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of external reality, was tacitly denied by their philosophy. The heresy of heresies was common sense…” – Orwell, 1984
workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 6:40 PM
I just really want to see “Situation Room Photo, Benghazi Edition”. Is this asking too much?
rightmind on May 19, 2013 at 6:41 PM
+infinity!
Shallow HAL lives at HA to get attention from RWM, his object of lust, and get that attention he does, only one hand on his keyboard when he’s getting it!
Anti-Control on May 19, 2013 at 6:42 PM
True.
But the opportunity to post Orwell was hard to resist.
workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 6:43 PM
There is no need to parse. I said exactly what my intentions were BEFORE the election.
I would have voted for a potted plant against Obama.
Resist We Much on May 19, 2013 at 6:43 PM
Careful, you left out Comrade Josef. That’s a mistake which could be deadly.
To the gulag with you!
Difficultas_Est_Imperium on May 19, 2013 at 6:43 PM
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwww!
Resist We Much on May 19, 2013 at 6:43 PM
(Democrat) Senate Leader Harry Reid said in 2006 that America had lost a war it was still fighting. But we all know he’ll never be targeted.
And (Democrat) First Lady Michelle (Lobster) O’bama said in 2007 that for the first time in her life she was proud of America, which is an admission that for her entire life until that point she was anti America. Should she be audited by the IRS as well? Or is she Above the Law?
Del Dolemonte on May 19, 2013 at 6:44 PM
A. Libertarian, not librarian. Moron.
B. Why wouldn’t an ardent libertarian “crawl over broken glass” to cast a vote against the most fascist, anti-freedom President since Woodrow Wilson?
Good Solid B-Plus on May 19, 2013 at 6:45 PM
Here is the long form: Benghazi: The Definitive Timeline
Resist We Much on May 19, 2013 at 6:46 PM
*snicker*
workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 6:46 PM
No, that’s libfreeordie. Nonpartisan claims to be a Harvard Law grad, but seems more likely to have gone to DeVry.
HAL strikes me as a bitter high-school dropout.
Good Solid B-Plus on May 19, 2013 at 6:47 PM
Why?
anuts on May 19, 2013 at 6:48 PM
You mean we pay taxes because it’s the law? Yeah, our side tends to do that. We respect the rule of law.
Good Solid B-Plus on May 19, 2013 at 6:48 PM
Oh…my bad.
They all write the same.
lol
workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 6:49 PM
Wilson was just an early prototype for Obama, as was Mussolini.
Well after all, Barack Obama, he’s an ordinary liberty grabbing fascist man
Who desires nothing more than an ordinary chance
To make all people live exactly as he wishes, and do precisely what he wants…
An average fascist man is he, of no especially clever whim
Who wants to control everyone else’s life
While he goes golfing or on yet another royal vacation with his parasitic wife
With everyone supinely doing whatever he commands
Well… just an ordinary fascist man is he …
VorDaj on May 19, 2013 at 6:50 PM
Look up the two, and their ultimate end, and you’ll get the point Bishop is making. Unfortunately the point is probably lost on HAL.
NotCoach on May 19, 2013 at 6:52 PM
I disagree, rightmind. We need more conservatives in the humanities. Words matter; language matters. We’ve conceded too much ground in that fight because we allowed the left wing to dominate the humanities in Academia.
A proper humanities degree should give students the tools to think critically, read intelligently and communicate effectively. Instead, it’s become a tool for leftist indoctrination. But we don’t help that by discouraging conservatives from studying humanities.
Of course, the world needs scientists, mathematicians and engineers, too. But the world at large can provide those, as we’ve seen over the years; the best and brightest still want to come here to ply their trade. Obama hasn’t killed that….yet.
Good Solid B-Plus on May 19, 2013 at 6:53 PM
Because he’s a fascist.
See what he did there? Opposing a POTUS makes one anti-American. I guess HAL was against his country during Bush’s two terms.
HAL’s whole ‘I love America and civil liberties and believe in ‘fairness’ and ‘a level playing field’’ schtick is a bunch of crap.
Sucks to be HAL when he becomes ‘me.’
Resist We Much on May 19, 2013 at 6:53 PM
INGSOC (- or English Socialism-) is really just a paradoxical name for Right Wing Teabaggers!
HALthink.
Orwell is always a palate cleanser. To paraphrase him:
“Politics- where the ability to lie is no liability.”
For example: Obama and his crew are like an Inner Party claque ready to triplethink anything for the preservation of the Progressive Pustule. Devoted Cells in the mass of the eternal cancer of anti-individualism and the Supreme State.
profitsbeard on May 19, 2013 at 6:53 PM
Ok, thanks for the correction. We should have biographies on all our resident trolls posted somewhere. That would be a good laugh.
rightmind on May 19, 2013 at 6:53 PM
The new arbiter of relevance have deemed them to be… ‘irrelevant’.
lynncgb on May 19, 2013 at 6:55 PM
Wow, you could write a book with all that research.
dogsoldier on May 19, 2013 at 6:57 PM
Hillary accidentally deleted them, thinking they were spam from one of Bill’s porn sites?
profitsbeard on May 19, 2013 at 6:59 PM
HAL writes in all sincerity, totally oblivious to the irony.
Count to 10 on May 19, 2013 at 7:00 PM
That’s another reason we need more conservatives in the humanities; one day, we’ll need a new Eric Blair (George Orwell) to tell the story of Obama.
Our grandchildren won’t believe us when we tell them. They’ll think Barack Obama is an old wive’s tale, a horror story you tell small-government types to scare them out of their wits and make them sleep with the light on.
Unfortunately, he’s all too real. But the truth, when it is all said and done, will be stranger than fiction.
Good Solid B-Plus on May 19, 2013 at 7:01 PM
So were you in a coma from 2001-2009, or on a different planet?
Good Solid B-Plus on May 19, 2013 at 7:01 PM
I agree. The problem isn’t with the study of humanities itself, it’s with the institutions. We’d certainly be worse off without things like literature, the arts, philosophy, etc, and in the past the great thinkers were well-versed in all of these things. So I was only about 50% serious.
rightmind on May 19, 2013 at 7:02 PM
Yeah, in their zest to indoctrinate students, hack partisan professors like libfreeordie destroy a ton of great, promising minds. I knew a lot of brilliant kids in college who simply couldn’t muster an independent thought, even though they were incredibly deft and artful writers/thinkers. But they’d been pounded into leftist mush by a frontal assault from four years of nonstop liberal pablum from a stream of bitter, politically-motivated profs.
It’s a real shame.
Good Solid B-Plus on May 19, 2013 at 7:08 PM
Keep trying to convince her this one would be a best seller. :) It would be hilarious. :) And no one else could do it as well as she could.
Axe on May 19, 2013 at 7:09 PM
It’s been an Orwellian couple of weeks…
“If you’re happy inside yourself, why should you get excited about Big Brother and the Three-Year Plans and the Two Minutes Hate and all the rest of their bloody rot?” – Orwell, 1984
workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 7:11 PM
Agreed.
We need both.
David Mamet has come around…and He is a force to be reckoned with.
The cultural elite are busy trying to wreck his career…They are really outraged about it.
They tried to tank his last play.
workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 7:16 PM
Is HAL’s poster of the O above his bed a naked O????????
either orr on May 19, 2013 at 7:20 PM
Just over an hour later:
Nicely done.
rogerb on May 19, 2013 at 7:24 PM
On black velvet. I’ve heard they sell well in black gay bars up there in DC.
slickwillie2001 on May 19, 2013 at 7:33 PM
velveteen no doubt…probably too cheap for actual velvet.
workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 7:43 PM
For someone whose ideology is the antithesis of anything American, what would their anti American complaint even look like?
And if there’s any attempt at coherence would one have to ignorant at their own nation’s history or their own ideology?
anuts on May 19, 2013 at 7:43 PM
That’s the voice of desperation.
Gelsomina on May 19, 2013 at 7:55 PM
rightmind on May 19, 2013 at 6:27 PM
Good point.
wyntre9 on May 19, 2013 at 7:58 PM
How long is the White House and the Democrats going to be allowed to lie about this stuff? Scheiffer, on CBS, layed into Pfeiffer and it would have been much better for everyone if MTP and This Week had done the same. Once the White House figures out that people are on to them, they will figure out the truth and come out with it.
After the AP story, people had hope the press was going to wake up and start actually covering this administration. Today, I saw a break in that and I just can’t believe some of what I heard. Candy Crowley was back in her protect Obama mode and David Gregory was out to get McConnell. I guess we’ll all have to be selective about who we really TRUST to report these stories.
bflat879 on May 19, 2013 at 8:00 PM
Compared to fvcking whom?
katy the mean old lady on May 19, 2013 at 8:07 PM
Yep, when they yelp like that you know you are on target.
slickwillie2001 on May 19, 2013 at 8:23 PM
Boy, the smell of fear is reeking from the administration and the minions now.
You don’t cheat and obfuscate against inferiors, you do so when you are at a genuine disadvantage.
You don’t risk your entire agenda of a benevolent government by submitting to subjugation and slander against your opposition unless the opposition is in a morally superior position. To do otherwise is the height of folly and incompetence.
This has been fun to watch. The meltdown continues. All the way to 2014 and beyond.
So lets wave to the progressive agenda as it sinks in a cesspool of its own making.
Bye bye.
itsspideyman on May 19, 2013 at 8:28 PM
Frankly, everybody can shove these emails up any available orifice.
None of this explains how a “terrorist attack” on a US diplomatic facility somehow morphed into a demonstration over a YouTube video … so as far as I concerned this stuff can be wee-weed-up and it changes nothing. These emails prove nothing that is important except the obvious.
J_Crater on May 19, 2013 at 8:42 PM
HAL you’re always the same. Aren’t you bored of yourself? zzzzzzzzzzz
CW on May 19, 2013 at 8:56 PM
So true, so true.
CW on May 19, 2013 at 8:56 PM
They already do.
Members of tea parties are very pro-American.
In your crazy, mixed-up world black is white, up is down, and day is night.
blink on May 19, 2013 at 9:16 PM
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