Kerry: Green-jobs pushes always work, except where they don’t; Update: The Denmark experience

posted at 8:48 am on June 17, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

The Obama administration and Democrats in Congress have argued for at least the last two years that massive government subsidies for “green jobs” programs will eventually make America an economic powerhouse — even if no one can define what a “green job” actually is.  The cap-and-trade bill will tax energy consumption and put tens of billions of dollars into the hands of Congress, which they plan to spend on pet projects in alternative energy production in the hope that it will force the kind of scientific breakthroughs that will allow mass production.  They insist that this will create an explosion of jobs and profit in the green-energy sector.

However, this has been tried already, in Spain and Germany, and it’s no coincidence that Spain now teeters on the edge of bankruptcy.  The Spaniards lost 2.2 jobs for every subsidized “green job” created by government intervention, hiking welfare costs and undermining economic growth.  When asked about the Spanish example, the Senate’s cap-and-trade co-author John Kerry called it an “anomaly”:

Senator Kerry told reporters that “every study” shows that the subsidizing of alternative energy creates jobs, telling reporters on Tuesday, “We just told you that every study that has been made says that this creates hundreds of thousands of jobs a year,” he said. “Here we are in this month, and we just had 27,000 private sector jobs created. Do Americans want to say ‘no’ to anywhere from 250,000 to 540,000 jobs a year for the next ten, twenty years?”

However, according to a 2009 study from King Juan Carlos University in Madrid, Spain showed that the subsidizing of renewable energy was a complete disaster. In fact, the study said that for every new job depending on energy price supports, at least 2.2 jobs in other industries will disappear. Bloomberg reported:

The premiums paid for solar, biomass, wave and wind power – - which are charged to consumers in their bills — translated into a $774,000 cost for each Spanish “green job” created since 2000, said Gabriel Calzada, an economics professor at the university and author of the report.

‘The loss of jobs could be greater if you account for the amount of lost industry that moves out of the country due to higher energy prices,’ he said in an interview.”

So, “every study” does not in fact show that subsidies create economic expansion.  Kerry backpedaled:

I asked Senator Kerry about Spain’s own failed experience in the area of subsidizing alternative energy, and the Massachusetts Senator’s response sounded similar to someone saying Marxism or Stalinism never succeeded, because it was never implemented correctly. AUDIO

“If you look at other European countries, it depends entirely on exactly how committed they were and how far they were willing to go in terms of the breadth of the program,” he said.

“You have some anomalies in some countries where they began slowly. They didn’t have the right incentives, they over-subsidized a couple of different things– we’ve learned something from some of those mistakes, but I’m confident that the way we’re approaching this is really private sector determined. That’s the key here.”

The Spaniards might be surprised to hear that they “began slowly.”  Their top-heavy approach put them deeper in debt, and now they face junk-bond status from credit analysts concerned over their soaring government spending.  They are widely believed to be next in line to Greece for a collapse.

But Spain isn’t the only country with a study showing the futility of spendy green-jobs programs.  Kerry Picket also reports in the same article that Germany’s own flirtation with government green-jobs subsidies resulted in lost purchasing power for consumers, job losses in other industries, and other economy-killing effects in their own study.  This study also called into questions others that limit the scope of their analysis to just one side of the ledger:

“While employment projections in the renewable sector convey seemingly impressive prospects for gross job growth, they typically obscure the broader implications for economic welfare by omitting any accounting of off-setting impacts. These impacts include, but are not limited to, job losses from crowding out of cheaper forms of conventional energy generation, indirect impacts on upstream industries, additional job losses from the drain on economic activity precipitated by higher electricity prices, private consumers’ overall loss of purchasing power due to higher electricity prices, and diverting funds from other, possibly more beneficial investment.”


The basic fact in Spain is also a basic fact in the US: we don’t have the money for it anyway.  Proposing $20 billion in subsidies for poorly-defined “green jobs” is the same in real terms as proposing $20 zillion for the same project.  The money doesn’t exist in our Treasury.  We would have to borrow it, which will extend the national debt, and the program will create inflation in energy and transportation costs, which will erode buying power while hiking prices in real terms.  That is one of the big reasons that countries who attempt to force top-down solutions end up going the way of Greece — or Spain, in this case.

Update: Add one more study to Kerry’s “anomalies.”  Denmark’s subsidies for wind power ended up having no net impact on job creation, but instead just shifted workers from unsubsidized to subsidized jobs, and at the cost of two average annual salaries per job (via commenter 16MPG):

The Danish Wind industry counts 28,400 employees. This does not, however, constitute the net employment effect of the wind mill subsidy. In the long run, creating additional employment in one sector through subsidies will detract labor from other sectors, resulting in no increase in net employment but only in a shift from the non-subsidized sectors to the subsidized sector.  Allowing for the theoretical possibility of wind employment alleviating possible regional pockets of high unemployment, a very optimistic ballpark estimate of net real job creation is 10% of total employment in the sector. In this case the subsidy per job created is 600,000-900,000 DKK per year ($90,000-140,000). This subsidy constitutes around 175-250% of the average pay per worker in the Danish manufacturing industry.

So what Kerry meant to say is that every hypothetical study supports his claims for green-jobs programs, while every analysis of real-world experience is an anomaly.


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Ha ha! Stupid Spaniards, never trust a hippy!!!

abobo on June 17, 2010 at 8:51 AM

Wow just read that jobless claims rose “unexpectedly” last week. I never saw that coming…

sandee on June 17, 2010 at 8:56 AM

A rehash of:

I voted for it before I voted against it.

honsy on June 17, 2010 at 8:58 AM

I’d bet on John Kerry anytime ……..

Today I’m laying down $5 on Kerry to place in the fourth race at Monmouth Park.

Jerome Horwitz on June 17, 2010 at 8:58 AM

Well Kerry couldn’t just come out and say “Actually the initiatives in Spain were a huge success. We are hoping the same thing happens here as then we will have the ability to contro… I mean help more people who may lose their jobs because of the green jobs.”

MobileVideoEngineer on June 17, 2010 at 8:58 AM

Lurch was almost less annoying when he was just lying about his military exploits. Almost.

Wind Rider on June 17, 2010 at 8:59 AM

“Studies” vs. “Reality” yet again.

mankai on June 17, 2010 at 8:59 AM

Just to clarify, weren’t we supposed to be getting a whole bunch of green jobs from all of that Stimulus money?

myrenovations on June 17, 2010 at 9:01 AM

Every study shows that if you feed unicorns magic beans they will, in fact, produce enough jellybeans in their waste materials to feed all the hungry children in Africa.

mankai on June 17, 2010 at 9:02 AM

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/New-claims-for-jobless-apf-1639241920.html?x=0&.v=3

Yep, those green jobs are awesome!

Keemo on June 17, 2010 at 9:03 AM

What a maroon….

cmsinaz on June 17, 2010 at 9:03 AM

Top down = belly up.

mr.blacksheep on June 17, 2010 at 9:04 AM

When asked about the Spanish example, the Senate’s cap-and-trade co-author John Kerry called it an “anomaly”

Bring us the (Tea Party?) candidate who can defeat this clueless twit.

petefrt on June 17, 2010 at 9:04 AM

With the demonrats refusing to accept reality, Obama and his liberal buffoons will make a pathetic misfit like Jimmah Carter look like a competent president. Just proves nothing is impossible.

volsense on June 17, 2010 at 9:04 AM

And Germany is focusing on solar. I always thought Germany was pretty cloudy, but if the borrowed government bucks keep flowing, people will do it – for a while.

And Germany has bigger credit cards than Spain, so they will be able to keep up appearances a little longer.

forest on June 17, 2010 at 9:05 AM

Just to clarify, weren’t we supposed to be getting a whole bunch of green jobs from all of that Stimulus money?

myrenovations on June 17, 2010 at 9:01 AM

You really need to keep up, that was last year. Now we need another gazillion dollars for this years green jobs.

Johnnyreb on June 17, 2010 at 9:06 AM

The Green Jobs revolution continues “unexpectedly” today!

WASHINGTON (AP) — The number of people filing new claims for jobless benefits jumped unexpectedly last week after three straight declines, another sign that hiring remains weak.

mankai on June 17, 2010 at 9:07 AM

Is Kerry America’s vuvuzelas? Or is it Obama?

tarpon on June 17, 2010 at 9:09 AM

Studies show you’re a pompous azz, Sen. Kerry. Do you still want us to believe them. You can make up studies that show us what you want us to hear. Those countries failed to subsidize their way to prosperity because that doesn’t work.

Kissmygrits on June 17, 2010 at 9:09 AM

Det. Thorn: It’s people. Soylent Green is made out of people. They’re making our food out of people. Next thing they’ll be breeding us like cattle for food. You’ve gotta tell them. You’ve gotta tell them!
Hatcher: I promise, Tiger. I promise. I’ll tell the exchange.
Det. Thorn: You tell everybody. Listen to me, Hatcher. You’ve gotta tell them! Soylent Green is people! We’ve gotta stop them somehow!

Jocundus on June 17, 2010 at 9:10 AM

“You have some anomalies in some countries where they began slowly. They didn’t have the right incentives, they over-subsidized a couple of different things– we’ve learned something from some of those mistakes, but I’m confident that the way we’re approaching this is really private sector determined. That’s the key here.”

Kerry’s nonsensical answer reminds me of this exchange from Arrested Development:

Tobias: You know, Lindsay, as a therapist, I have advised… a number of couples to explore an open relationship where the couple remains emotionally committed but free to explore extramarital encounters.
Lindsay: Well, did it work for those people?
Tobias: No, it never does. I mean, these people somehow delude themselves into thinking it might, but… but it might work for us.

Doughboy on June 17, 2010 at 9:11 AM

Apparently no one has been paying attention. I’ve personally observed a great many green jobs…. that’s assuming that “green jobs” are doing things to help clean the environment.

Evidence? You ask for evidence? Okay, turn on your news and check out all the folks trolling along the northern gulf beaches (onshore and off) picking up tarballs and scooping up oil slime.

Obama’s inaction in failing to burn off the oil as it reached the surface, get the folks to place booms around the spill and build berms to protect the marshes and shorelines has created THOUSANDS of GREEN JOBS.

CC

CapedConservative on June 17, 2010 at 9:12 AM

Louis XVI smiles.

Limerick on June 17, 2010 at 9:14 AM

BP was among the vanguard of the Green Energy Movement.

kingsjester on June 17, 2010 at 9:14 AM

Scaramouche!

Pass the gin-soaked raisins…

Del Dolemonte on June 17, 2010 at 9:16 AM

Studies show you’re a pompous azz, Sen. Kerry. Do you still want us to believe them. You can make up studies that show us what you want us to hear. Those countries failed to subsidize their way to prosperity because that doesn’t work.

Kissmygrits on June 17, 2010 at 9:09 AM

Studies show while Kerry is very unpopular here at home, he is loved in Cuba and Venezuela.

Anomalies.

fogw on June 17, 2010 at 9:16 AM

Yeah, green “jobs,” right. A few months ago, there was a news story about Chicago’s first “graduates” of the new federal home Weatherization Assistance Program (WAP) and it looked to me like the only program that group had “graduated” from was Cook County Jail.

MayorDaley on June 17, 2010 at 9:17 AM

Add Denmark to the ‘Green Jobs’ losers club. Based on a very thorough, independent review* of Denmark’s wind power and renewable energy initiative:

“…In terms of value added per employee, the [Danish] energy technology sector over the period 1999-2006
underperformed by as much as 13% compared with the industrial average. This implies that the effect of the government subsidy has been to shift employment from more
productive employment in other sectors to less productive employment in the wind industry. As a consequence, Danish GDP is approximately 1.8 billion DKK ($270 million) lower than it would have been if the wind sector work force was employed elsewhere.”

*http://www.cepos.dk/fileadmin/user_upload/Arkiv/PDF/Wind_energy_-_the_case_of_Denmark.pdf

16MPG on June 17, 2010 at 9:18 AM

The cap-and-trade bill will tax energy consumption and put tens of billions of dollars into the hands of Congress, which they plan to spend on pet projects

Gosh, Wonder who is the lucky one developing the “pet projects”? Hint–initials are AlGore.

Herb on June 17, 2010 at 9:20 AM

In Spain, it’s actually cheaper to get generators (run on diesel, doncha know) and fire up spotlights on them at night, then collect the subsidies. Story at wattsupwiththat.com, can find the linky thingy if you wish.

bikermailman on June 17, 2010 at 9:20 AM

I very rarely, if ever, pay any attention to anything that comes flying out of the mouth of a certified military disgrace and egoist par excellence like Botox Rex The Ketchup King, and that includes his latest blatherfest of trying to push so-called green jobs as a solution to the current unemployment situation, which is based entirely on his now trademark signature of basing things like this off of faulty and junk science-styled “research”.

It is clear that this approach has failed miserably everywhere it has been attempted, but that does not seem to bother Botox Rex. But then again, the man has been in a perpetually hermetically sealed mindset of I-Am-Right-Everyone-Else-Is-Wrong ever since he pitched his medals over the fence in a failed attempt at being an anti-war advocate, and quite possibly further back than that.

How this guy has bamboozled the people of Massachusetts into keeping him in a public office he has no business being in in the first place baffles the mind.

pilamaye on June 17, 2010 at 9:21 AM

John F’n Kerry is a dolt. Why do Dems assume people are idiots? Just because so many voted for Obama doesn’t mean we can’t L.E.A.R.N.

disa on June 17, 2010 at 9:22 AM

Senator Kerry is no dummy. Senator Kerry is just following the footsteps/carbonprints of Albert Gore, who fleeced this country with the hoax of man-made global warming. John Kerry’s days are numbered as he sees career politicians like Chris Dodd, Harry Reid, Babs Boxer, and more heading for the exits. Kerry desperately needs a little legacy before he departs, (and if he signed a pre-nup, he may need some cash). If “Teddy’s seat” was not secure for a liberal democrat, then Kerry may also be seeing the writing on the wall.

Rovin on June 17, 2010 at 9:22 AM

“We just told you that every study that has been made says that this creates hundreds of thousands of jobs a year,” he said. “

Why is it Mr. Kerry that you can give us any real world examples of this actually happening?

tommyboy on June 17, 2010 at 9:23 AM

linky thingy for Spain and spotlights

bikermailman on June 17, 2010 at 9:23 AM

Yeah, green “jobs,” right. A few months ago, there was a news story about Chicago’s first “graduates” of the new federal home Weatherization Assistance Program (WAP) and it looked to me like the only program that group had “graduated” from was Cook County Jail.

MayorDaley on June 17, 2010 at 9:17 AM

Well it is about social justice, don’t you know? It wasn’t a mistake that Van “criminal sympathizer” Jones was the green jobs czar.

MobileVideoEngineer on June 17, 2010 at 9:23 AM

Kerry, you foolish old buzzard, do us all a favor and go home and retire.

scalleywag on June 17, 2010 at 9:23 AM

Scaramouche!

That’s just what I was thinking. The lefties’ doubletalk could have been lifted directly from Atlas Shrugs.
Lord help us.

Bugler on June 17, 2010 at 9:24 AM

With just a few word changes you can come up with an old chestnut: “Communism hasn’t worked anywhere before, because it wasn’t implemented properly.”

Vashta.Nerada on June 17, 2010 at 9:24 AM

“If you look at other European countries, it depends entirely on exactly how committed they were and how far they were willing to go in terms of the breadth of the program to put their boots on people’s necks,” he said.

“You have some anomalies in some countries where they began slowly. They didn’t have the right incentives, they over-subsidized a couple of different things failed to blackmail private enterprise into supporting them – we’ve learned something from some of those mistakes, but I’m confident that the way we’re approaching this is really going to kick the private sector determined in the azz. That’s the key here.”

It’s amazing what this man thinks he knows when he “confers, converses and otherwise hobnobs with his brother wizards” … and what he and they know is nothing but how to lie and twist those stubborn things called facts.

ya2daup on June 17, 2010 at 9:24 AM

And the really good news is that China has become the dominant supplier of wind turbines. So for every 2.2 jobs destroyed by the green energy push, we can count on one new green energy job created….. in China.

NeighborhoodCatLady on June 17, 2010 at 9:25 AM

Shrugs=Shrugged, for very approximate values of Shrugs.

Bugler on June 17, 2010 at 9:25 AM

Turn the question around to Kerry:

“Name 1 country that has inplemented green job creation within the green energy sector who is flourishing, as a true American model”

Odie1941 on June 17, 2010 at 9:27 AM

Kerry and the Democrats remind me of the famous rock band Pastry Kamakazies. They have concocted another pie in the sky idea designed to bring America down in flames.

lonesomecharlie on June 17, 2010 at 9:29 AM

Wednesdays Houston Chronicle had a short article noting that Goodwill had received a 500,000$ grant to train people for Green Jobs.
Wonderful

tomg51 on June 17, 2010 at 9:30 AM

Which country has the most KNOWN energy resources?? USA!! So, lets throw all of them away for some “pie in the sky” idea of getting enough energy from windmills, solar, and bio-fuels.

There is a problem with the toxic chemicals used to make solar panels that goes under reported. All the extra pesticides used to grow corn for ethanol is causing more damage to the Gulf of Mexico as it leaves the Mississippi delta.

There are various reports that the USA has enough energy resources for at least 100 hundred years with some saying closer to 200 years.

But, lets throw more money away.

ny59giants on June 17, 2010 at 9:33 AM

Senator Kerry told reporters that “every study” shows that the subsidizing of alternative energy creates jobs, telling reporters on Tuesday, “We just told you that blah blah blah lie lie lie blah blah blah”

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Translation: G I G O
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Translation: It’s fun to watch the desperate, declining middle class scramble like rats over each other to procure the crumbs of low-wage, government-managed jobs that will allow them to buy what little exists on store shelves. Six applicants for every open job in the US! How droll!
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Translation: I told you what you need to know! What are you, a stupid “tea bagging” violent conservative astro-turfed robot? I’m going to have to raise your taxes just to teach you a lesson about who your betters are!
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Translation: These are UNION jobs, ya know, so no “tea baggers” welcome, punk!
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John Kerry: A long face on a horse’s ass is still a horse’s ass.

ExpressoBold on June 17, 2010 at 9:33 AM

Lurch: It’s these annoying facts that keep spoiling the story. Ya gotta stop relying on those danged facts and listen to what I’m tellin’ ya if yer ever gonna have us in total control of yer pitiful lives. An’ ya know that’s what’s best for ya.

Sheesh.

Crusader Rabbit on June 17, 2010 at 9:34 AM

$20 billion in subsidies for poorly-defined “green jobs”…

What a marvelous coincidence. Isn’t that just the amount that the President just extorted from BP for the oil spill damages? A nice little slush fund for the Administration to use for all its “green energy” projects, and the taxpayer doesn’t even have to pay for it. Who wants to make book that very little of the BP money gets to the people actually harmed by the spill?

Harrell on June 17, 2010 at 9:34 AM

Wednesdays Houston Chronicle had a short article noting that Goodwill had received a 500,000$ grant to train people for Green Jobs.
Wonderful

tomg51 on June 17, 2010 at 9:30 AM

This is why I never really felt comfortable with the likes of the Red Cross or Goodwill. I don’t know what it was, but something never felt right about either one of them. I’d rather give to the Salvation Army. It’s a good thing that there is a Salvation Army store really close to us instead of a Goodwill.

MobileVideoEngineer on June 17, 2010 at 9:36 AM

These reports supporting Green Energy Jobs are seared, seared into my memory! I know I’ve got a copy of one in my magic hat…

Mr. Bingley on June 17, 2010 at 9:38 AM

They didn’t have the right incentives, they over-subsidized a couple of different things– we’ve learned something from some of those mistakes, but I’m confident that the way we’re approaching this is really private sector determined. That’s the key here.”

If it’s private sector determined, then why the HEQQ is the government proposing to be involved up to it’s neck in redistribution and subsidization of it?

Dusty on June 17, 2010 at 9:39 AM

So what Kerry meant to say is that every hypothetical study supports his claims for green-jobs programs, while every analysis of real-world experience is an anomaly.

Who conducted these studies, anyhow? Van Jones?

Joe Caps on June 17, 2010 at 9:40 AM

Wait a minute. How can we fill these millions of new green jobs and millions of new Bambicare jobs at the same time? These lefties are trying to work us to death!

Bugler on June 17, 2010 at 9:40 AM

Botox Rex The Ketchup King

pilamaye on June 17, 2010 at 9:21 AM

A+

Del Dolemonte on June 17, 2010 at 9:43 AM

O-Care will kill off millions of old people. Those old people will no longer have a need for energy. Voila, energy “crisis” solved.

angryed on June 17, 2010 at 9:44 AM

Senator Kerry is no dummy. Senator Kerry is just following the footsteps/carbonprints of Albert Gore, who fleeced this country with the hoax of man-made global warming.

Rovin on June 17, 2010 at 9:22 AM

Has anyone else noticed that Algore has been deathly silent about the oil spill? What’s the deal with that?

Del Dolemonte on June 17, 2010 at 9:45 AM

By the way, does anyone know what caused gas prices to go down reciently?

Count to 10 on June 17, 2010 at 9:46 AM

Wait a minute. How can we fill these millions of new green jobs and millions of new Bambicare jobs at the same time? These lefties are trying to work us to death!

Bugler on June 17, 2010 at 9:40 AM

Nah. They’re government jobs. You won’t have to work at all.

NeighborhoodCatLady on June 17, 2010 at 9:46 AM

The BP shakedown will contain monies for ACORN. They see hope. They can also use the salvaged crude, refine it and make vuvuzelas. A hot must have product.
The green unicorn technicians are a hot career. The hottest career is repo man.

seven on June 17, 2010 at 9:50 AM

Here’s the government’s implementation of green jobs:

Obama’s weatherization program makes little economic sense for taxpayers

The program aims to use $5 billion from the Recovery Act of 2009 to weatherize 593,000 homes by March 2012. Since the Act was signed into law by President Obama last year, about 80,000 homes have been weatherized — just 13 percent of the goal, according to the latest U.S. Government Accountability Office data…

The federal government has spent $659 million on the 80,000 houses so far—$8,237 per house. The DOE website estimates that weatherization reduces energy bills by an average of about $350 per year, depending on fuel prices.

Thus the caulk and insulation used to weatherize each house would need to last for 23 years without needing repair just to pay for itself…

Nichevo on June 17, 2010 at 9:52 AM

John “I Have Still Not Released My Military Records” Kerry has never let the truth get in the way of any of his “facts”.

The fact is the only way any government sponsored or controlled job is sustained is by a continuous flow of cash from the government.

albill on June 17, 2010 at 9:53 AM

even if no one can define what a “green job” actually is

A green job is one where the employer and\or union donates almost exclusively to Democrats.

WashJeff on June 17, 2010 at 9:53 AM

This green jobs push is not to benefit the end user by any means. It’s another elaborate ponzi scheme to benefit to the top of the pyramid investors.

Americannodash on June 17, 2010 at 9:58 AM

Who could believe anything this socialist liar has to say ?
Lest we forget this guy went to Vietnam with video camera in hand with every intent of launching a political career based on lies and misleading folks
Oh , and yeah , he INVENTED the term ” Cut n Run ” , he was a coward and it came out when he tried to use the old ” well I am a war veteran ” piece of propaganda

ELMO Q on June 17, 2010 at 10:00 AM

When asked about the Spanish example, the Senate’s cap-and-trade co-author John Kerry called it an “anomaly”

“If we torture the data long enough, it will confess.” (Ronald Coase, Nobel Prize for Economic Sciences, 1991)

Uniblogger on June 17, 2010 at 10:02 AM

Liberals use facts as window-dressing. They don’t care if they’re true or not, as long as they make their argument look better.

hawksruleva on June 17, 2010 at 10:03 AM

Kerry is lying when he refers to actual experience as “anomalies” and he knows he is lying, just like Obama and the rest of their team lies. We need to call these people liars when they lie, because they are lying to further their goals that will destroy our countries.

GaltBlvnAtty on June 17, 2010 at 10:08 AM

“If you look at other European countries, it depends entirely on exactly how committed they were and how far they were willing to go in terms of the breadth of the program,” he said.

Communist mantra. These people need to be forced on a tour of all of the Gulag memorials in the former Soviet Union so that they can see no matter how you ‘implement’ any of these crazy schemes, the end result will always be the same.

Coming to a country near you:
The NEW & IMPROVED Five Year Plan in FOUR!

Badger40 on June 17, 2010 at 10:12 AM

Well, John Forbes (Kohn) Kerry, aka ‘Lurch’ never held a real job in his entire life. First there was his gaming to run away from Vietnam. Then his ‘Winter Soldier’ phase followed by his treasonous conspiring with North Vietnamese and Viet Cong in Paris. Then his election as a Congresstitute, his ‘kept man’ status with Tereza and now a senior ‘King Maker’ in the Greatest Little Whorehouse on the Potomac. He probably thinks a ‘Green Job’ is the gardener at Tereza’s Colorado Mansion.

SeniorD on June 17, 2010 at 10:12 AM

Subsidy. There is reason for the term’s application and has nothing to do with success.

anuts on June 17, 2010 at 10:15 AM

Traitor John is lucky that the Moron came along.

Otherwise, he would be the greatest idiot alive.

notagool on June 17, 2010 at 10:16 AM

Senator Kerry told reporters that “every study” shows that the subsidizing of alternative energy creates jobs

Almost every article in Tass and Pravda started out with the catchphrase: “As everyone knows….”

To people who make decisions based on emotion (i.e. liberals) facts are irrelevant. All that matters is perceived concensus.

You have to understand how this works: If you ARGUE with a barking moonbat, he has already won. Because you have given credibility to the incredible.

It’s like the when a guy comes up to you on the street with eyes as big around as pie plates and screams that aliens are hypnotizing our houseplants. It’s impossible to disprove something like that, and if you say ONE word that isn’t a personal argument, you have lost.

Except this is a lot worse. Albeit unlikely, it’s at least theoretically possible that aliens are hypnotizing our housplants.

But when a geek comes up to you and tells you that “all studies ever performed in the history of the world” prove conclusively that something which is hideously expensive and CANNOT BE DEFINED is a wealth-generating perpetual motion machine…

If you take this person seriously, even for a fraction of a second, and try to offer “opposing” studies, you are thereby expressing absolute and unconditional acceptance of his premise.

And once you do that, then when you try to claim that the insane conlusion doesn’t logically follow from the insane premise that you’ve already accepted, then guess what? To the casual observer who’s only listening to bits and pieces, YOU are the one who sounds like the psychotic moron.

logis on June 17, 2010 at 10:20 AM

John Kerry, as usual, in way over his pointed little head.

GarandFan on June 17, 2010 at 10:21 AM

Did you guys know that John Kerry served in Vietnam?

Just wanted to put it out there, in case…

fossten on June 17, 2010 at 10:23 AM

When you’re a liberal, reality is just a distraction. It’s the aesthetics of your theories that’s important, not whether or not they produce desirable results.

Socratease on June 17, 2010 at 10:25 AM

Why are these people so stupid? If “green energy” could be manufactured efficiently, cost-effectively, and in abundance, someone would already be doing it — and they wouldn’t need the stupid government to incentivize them. Profits are incentive enough for most people. We are simply not there yet. When the time is right for green energy, the industry will explode all its own and be far more successful than anything the government could manipulate.

The only good thing the government can do for the economy is to stay the hell out of it. Whenever they start meddling in the marketplace, it’s nothing but disaster.

NoLeftTurn on June 17, 2010 at 10:28 AM

What we have here is very simple.

When one looks at ‘climate change’, one sees computer models that predict catastrophic impacts and real-world observation that shows none of the above.

When one looks at ‘green jobs’, one sees academic studies that predict big, wonderful growth and real-world observation that shows failure and huge costs.

The ecoloons are stuck in a fantasy world, spinning studies and models that back up their positions and it matters not a whit to them that the case they’re making is thoroughly undermined by empirical study.

JEM on June 17, 2010 at 10:35 AM

The cap-and-trade bill will tax energy consumption and put tens of billions of dollars into the hands of Congress, which they plan to spend on pet projects in alternative energy production in the hope that it will force the kind of scientific breakthroughs that will allow mass production.

Like I have said before these people are the equivalent of the Old Alchemists they think they can get value from non value. They will never overcome the laws of science in their schemes. Energy density will defeat them every time.
Nuclear Energy >>>>>>> Chemical Energy >>>> Electromagnetic Energy (solar), Geothermal Energy (heat), Kinetic Energy (wind, wave, hydro). While you can make the last three forms of energy work they can’t do nearly as good a job as the First two.

chemman on June 17, 2010 at 10:39 AM

This is why I never really felt comfortable with the likes of the Red Cross or Goodwill. I don’t know what it was, but something never felt right about either one of them. I’d rather give to the Salvation Army. It’s a good thing that there is a Salvation Army store really close to us instead of a Goodwill.

MobileVideoEngineer on June 17, 2010 at 9:36 AM

My grandmother always refused to give to the Red Cross; always to the Salvation Army. I later learned that some of my other friends’ grandparents did the same thing. I finally asked her why and she told me that during WWII, when our troops would get off a transport train somewhere and were greeted by Red Cross and Salvation Army workers with coffee and donuts, the Red Cross was charging them a nickel for it and the Salvation Army wasn’t.

This is apparently a widely circulated story among members of the Greatest Generation. I don’t know if it’s true, really, but there must be some reason all of these folks felt compelled to turn on the Red Cross like they did. I think today, when I see how much PR the Red Cross does and you hardly ever see the Salvation Army tooting their own horn, I can’t help but think they must be doing a better job of getting their funds to people who really need it instead of spending it all on their own publicity.

NoLeftTurn on June 17, 2010 at 10:39 AM

Saturday Nite Live skit, the “Change Bank”, which does nothing but offers to change money (the change you can believe in?). How do they make money doing this?:

Paul McElroy: A lot of people don’t realize that change is a two-way street. You can come in with sixteen quarters, eight dimes, and four nickels – we can give you a five-dollar bill. Or we can give you five singles. Or two singles, eight quarters, and ten dimes. You’d be amazed at the variety of the options you have.

Paul McElroy: All the time, our customers ask us, “How do you make money doing this?” The answer is simple: Volume. That’s what we do.

Paul-Cincy on June 17, 2010 at 10:40 AM

Why are these people so stupid? If “green energy” could be manufactured efficiently, cost-effectively, and in abundance, someone would already be doing it
NoLeftTurn on June 17, 2010 at 10:28 AM

That’s the fundamental miracle of the Communist faith: That everything they believe fails miserably on a SMALL scale, and fails even more catastrophically on a LARGER scale…

But (somehow, magically) when the ENTIRE WORLD is all connected together and controlled from one central location, then we’ll have infinite wealth and happiness.

logis on June 17, 2010 at 10:42 AM

When asked about the Spanish example, the Senate’s cap-and-trade co-author John Kerry called it an “anomaly”

I don’t think the term means what you think it means.

chemman on June 17, 2010 at 10:43 AM

NoLeftTurn on June 17, 2010 at 10:39 AM

I don’t do Red Cross either. In the early 60′s my older sister needed a blood transfusion. The RC told my parents if they found 5 donors for each pint she needed there would be no charges for the blood. They and their friends from work donated more than the 5:1 ratio and guess what my parents received a $500 bill from the RC. That was a lot of money in those days. So I won’t donate to the liars.

chemman on June 17, 2010 at 10:49 AM

Why is Kerry still around. He’s so stupid it’s a disgrace.

What I want to know is DID OBAMA KNOW ABOUT THE LITHIUM BEFORE HE DEPLOYED MORE TROOPS???

BLOOD FOR LITHIUM

griv on June 17, 2010 at 10:53 AM

I recall Nanny Pelosi saying the day before the health bill was voted on that it would immediatly create 4 million jobs.Kerry is offering up the same thing.I wonder which one is correct.

docflash on June 17, 2010 at 10:55 AM

The Red Cross also pretty much blamed 9/11 on the US. That was it for me and ever giving to that organization.

angryed on June 17, 2010 at 10:55 AM

And Germany is focusing on solar. I always thought Germany was pretty cloudy, but if the borrowed government bucks keep flowing, people will do it – for a while.

forest on June 17, 2010 at 9:05 AM

Every one new German solar facility requires them to build a coal plant to provide energy at night or when it’s cloudy. Dark happens.

AS I’ve said: A green job is when solar plants in Spain mount sheets of black plastic made to look like solar panels to hide the diesel generators. In short, the phrase “green job” means the same as “snow job”.

Here’s an example

theCork on June 17, 2010 at 10:57 AM

The ecoloons are stuck in a fantasy world, spinning studies and models that back up their positions and it matters not a whit to them that the case they’re making is thoroughly undermined by empirical study.

JEM on June 17, 2010 at 10:35 AM

But give ‘em credit. Their hearts are in the right place, even if their actions are utterly ruinous. Let’s all weep for Gaia and worship some trees.

theCork on June 17, 2010 at 11:03 AM

Proposing $20 billion in subsidies for poorly-defined “green jobs” is the same in real terms as proposing $20 zillion for the same project.

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Hey!!
That’s the exact dollar amount Obama ‘negotiated’ from BP for that “third-party- controlled” escrow fund!!
What an unexpected coincidence.

mrt721 on June 17, 2010 at 11:03 AM

Jesus cristo!
When is that fuk-stick up for reelection?

I mean, come on, does he think people take him serious?

What a Tard.

TheSitRep on June 17, 2010 at 11:08 AM

I really can’t stand these jerks. The sort of green jobs and green industry that these guys are talking about is a fantasy, something we will see 50 – XXXX years from now.

I’d say 50, if the private sector were allowed to do it’s thing. Everytime big guv gets involved, or adds a new tax or adds a new regulation, it sets back any new discoveries by a large amount.

I’d have to say the idiots in Congress and the Psycho in the White House have set back development by 50 years all on their own.

reaganaut on June 17, 2010 at 11:12 AM

I’m sure this analysis failed to count the zillions of newly-employed stewards needed to muck the stalls of the Flying Unicorns required to transport workers to their new “Green Jobs”!!!

/SARC/

landlines on June 17, 2010 at 11:15 AM

We have our own “green jobs” program in the US. The government created the requirement to add ethanol to gasoline. There are high tarrifs on imported ethanol which probably will lead to harm of our exporters. Our consumers pay noticeably more for gasoline and double for all grain, not just corn. But we have a thriveing distillary industry. Except some of those new distillaries have closed. I was delighted to learn that some of those merchantilists lost their shirts.

burt on June 17, 2010 at 11:52 AM

I just figured it all out.

What they mean by “green job” is actually being unemployed.

That is, being on welfare, unemployment, food stamps is a GREEN job.
Your carbon foot print is really low when you don’t have to drive to work and use resources to make things.

TheSitRep on June 17, 2010 at 11:53 AM

“No good. I’ve known too many Spaniards.”

KinleyArdal on June 17, 2010 at 12:10 PM

By the way, does anyone know what caused gas prices to go down reciently?

Lower demand worldwide.

reaganaut on June 17, 2010 at 2:21 PM

If Kerry loves wind power so much, why was he trying to block the unsubsidized Cape Wind project? Maybe because it spoiled the view from his WindSurfer?

Steve Z on June 17, 2010 at 2:24 PM

Kerry: Do Americans want to say ‘no’ to anywhere from 250,000 to 540,000 jobs a year for the next ten, twenty years?”

No, Americans want to say “NO” to your lies.

UltimateBob on June 17, 2010 at 3:02 PM

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