Engineering analysis shows Packgen boom “superior”

posted at 1:36 pm on June 16, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

After the federal bureaucracy finally got notified by Jake Tapper of an untapped inventory of boom that could be put to good use in the Gulf disaster, the Joint Command insisted that Packgen’s boom didn’t meet its quality standards.  Packgen responded by having an outside analyst inspect its product.  As Jake Tapper reports in his follow-up, it not only meets the standards but is actually superior to its competition:

[Ian] Durham was recently hired by Packgen – the Maine packaging company that manufactured roughly 80,000 feet of boom that the US Coast Guard says failed an initial BP quality control test. Packgen president John Lapoint III has expressed frustration at BP/Coast Guard bureaucracy, insisting that the boom he’s making will work well in the Gulf, where boom is desperately needed.

Durham would not say how much he was paid, but he says he’s generally paid $100 an hour for consulting, and his analysis of Packgen boom took rougly 40-45 hours.

You can read Durham’s report HERE.

He says Packgen’s boom is superior to other boom. Its woven polypropelene is “practically indestructible,” he says. “Packgen uses it to make toxic waste disposal containers.”

Does Durham believe that the government and BP should be acquiring Packgen’s product?  “Absolutely,” Durham tells Tapper.

The excuse prior to this has been that Packgen’s product didn’t meet quality control standards and didn’t come with universal connectors.  Packgen has already agreed to change connectors, even though the boom already being deployed doesn’t have them.  This report demolishes the quality-control argument as well.  These now appear to have been nothing but an excuse to distract people from the fact that the Obama administration’s team knew nothing of Packgen’s inventory despite media coverage of their production in anticipation of the demand in the Gulf.

So what’s the next excuse?  The color clashes with battleship haze gray?

Update: I’m informed by multiple commenters that “battleship gray” is an outdated term, and I’m an old fogey for having used it instead of the current term, “haze gray.”  All I can say is … turn down that radio and get off my damned lawn.  Kids these days …


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Don’t worry about the boom. Other oil companies and pipelines will buy the boom. It meets the specs. Right nowe they can’t buy it for the Coast Guard because they lose face. Stupid purchasing agents don’t want to look stupid. The excuse about it not meeting specs is just that. We have no report of it being inspected or tested. Remember, the Admiral said they didn’t know about it.

seven on June 16, 2010 at 5:19 PM

“Packgen and Durham acted stupidly.”

“Daddy, have you stuf the awful Maine people (that make you look bad) yet?”

Sir Napsalot on June 16, 2010 at 5:20 PM

stuf STFU

Sir Napsalot on June 16, 2010 at 5:21 PM

Lets assume that the Feds were right and Packgens quality did not measure up; wouldnt something be better than nothing? perfect example of how bureaucrats make the perfect the enemy of the good.

pgrossjr on June 16, 2010 at 5:34 PM

Packgen probably isn’t a supplier owed something by the Zero administration, probably not the right union employees, not tied to his Chicago / Harvard mob somehow.

Back in the Clintoon years everything they could ship back to Arkansas or cronies, they did. Not just the White House travel office, sales of secrets, legal riff-raff and WH coffee sales…. even the postal service contracts in the Southeast were diverted to MCA. Not the record company but Mail Corporation of Arkansas. FOBs. Friends of Bill. Zero certainly has brought that level of corruption to the White House; likely far worse.

viking01 on June 16, 2010 at 5:46 PM

Update: I’m informed by multiple commenters that “battleship gray” is an outdated term, and I’m an old fogey for having used it instead of the current term, “haze gray.” All I can say is … turn down that radio and get off my damned lawn. Kids these days …

Battleship grey (grey with an e too just because that’s how I roll) has just become a permanent part of my lexicon if it really annoys people that much.

NotCoach on June 16, 2010 at 5:56 PM

So under ObamaCare, you’re in a catastrophic system failure and the only way they can save you is to use something that is only 80% effective. Do you want them to use it or not?

Answer is: They won’t because it’s against policy to do so.

See: The Dutch. The British. Packgen….

UnderstandingisPower on June 16, 2010 at 5:57 PM

18″ boom, like the packgen stuff, isn’t what is in short supply. It’s the 36″ boom that can handle the larger waves that they need more of in the Gulf.

What’s remarkable is how effective Packgen has been at getting their product in the news. BP needs to hire them for their PR strategy, not their boom!

fed-nad on June 16, 2010 at 5:57 PM

I’m with ya there Ed, “battleship gray” all the way.

TQM38a on June 16, 2010 at 6:06 PM

Sarah Palin should have Packgen ship $1 million worth of boom to Bobby Jindal, and he should deploy it. Maybe Rush can chip in another $1 million. And Mitt. And Meg.

I dare Obama to forbid Jindal from trying to save his coast.

SwampYankee on June 16, 2010 at 6:06 PM

Obama Administration: “WTF is wrong with this Tapper fellow? Why can’t he just leave it alone? It’s like he doesn’t believe a word we say, the nerve of this guy! Isn’t he due for an IRS audit? Can we borrow some Black Panthers from Philly to pay him a house call?”

olesparkie on June 16, 2010 at 6:07 PM

18″ boom, like the packgen stuff, isn’t what is in short supply. It’s the 36″ boom that can handle the larger waves that they need more of in the Gulf.

The “story” from the administration was about quality, not about length.

olesparkie on June 16, 2010 at 6:09 PM

At every level of unaccountable government the ONLY issue that decides things is the “Who is in charge here issue… where the Fed guy always defaults to he gives the orders and no one else is allowed to have any say”. That is why the government devolves to incompetant every time. The Military has to fight this force within its rear area personnel too, but its front line fighters somehow never have that problem.

jimw on June 16, 2010 at 6:16 PM

The “story” from the administration was about quality, not about length.

olesparkie on June 16, 2010 at 6:09 PM

You said “administration”, but you meant “Coast Guard”.

Also, length can affect quality (as the actress said to the bishop).

orange on June 16, 2010 at 6:18 PM

Thad Allen watches his credibility gush away with the oil.

ThePrez on June 16, 2010 at 6:18 PM

But will any boom withstand a category 3-4 hurricane?

docdave on June 16, 2010 at 6:20 PM

Something still doesn’t smell right about this. Why the govt. would be avoiding product from one specific manufacturer yet buying from many others isn’t making a lot of sense. At this point, for such a tiny about of boom as this place is talking about (when compared to the amount already deployed), the government could just buy it and throw it away if they weren’t going to use it.

It might all be moot anyway as it doesn’t appear that boom is helping. All the boom in the world might not make much difference:

“The boom is not working … it is a joke,” says Billy Nungesser, president of Plaquemines Parish, Louisiana, at a Thursday Senate hearing. “It washes up on the shore with the oil, and then we have oil in the marsh, and we have an oily boom. So we have two problems.”

crosspatch on June 16, 2010 at 6:25 PM

Notice how the story keeps on shifting – first they didn’t know it was there, then it’s the quality, then it’s the length (or height?). Obviously it’s just CYA time for BP and Oilybama. Pathetic!

Ogabe on June 16, 2010 at 6:27 PM

Why the govt. would be avoiding product from one specific manufacturer yet buying from many others isn’t making a lot of sense.

I agree. The answer “This boom doesn’t work right” is so elegant and simple that it can’t be right.

That seems to be the prevailing opinion here.

orange on June 16, 2010 at 6:29 PM

As Jake Tapper reports in his follow-up, it not only meets the standards but is actually superior to its competition:

So who, in addition to AP and crosspatch, got sucked in by the initial excuse? Sadly, based on their record, it should be assumed that this administration is lying until there is conclusive proof that they are telling the truth.

Basilsbest on June 16, 2010 at 6:31 PM

Sadly, based on their record, it should be assumed that this administration is lying until there is conclusive proof that they are telling the truth.

Basilsbest on June 16, 2010 at 6:31 PM

You said “administration”, but you meant “Coast Guard”.

Why is a paid analyst is more trustworthy than the US Armed Forces?

orange on June 16, 2010 at 6:37 PM

3 – There’s a difference between the consultant you hire to verify what you say, and a consultant hired by a third party to verify it. One has an economic incentive to give you the data you want. The other doesn’t. I’ll let you figure out which is which. My point here is that – just because this guy was paid to say the boom is super terrific, doesn’t necessarily imply that it is.

lorien1973 on June 16, 2010 at 3:48 PM

This isn’t about getting an expert to give an opinion. He wasn’t paid to say the boom was good. He was paid to perform a series of standardized tests on the product. That’s what ASTM is, standardized testing. His report (unless fraudulent) states that this boom met all applicable ASTM tests. ASTM specifications state not only what the acceptable test result must be, but also how to perform the test. There is no room for opinion.

Fighton03 on June 16, 2010 at 6:37 PM

Has anyone looked into John Lapoint III’s history of political donations? Perhaps he made his check out to the wrong candidate.

Sharke on June 16, 2010 at 6:53 PM

18″ booms will not contain oil in even 1 foot of surf.

Grunt on June 16, 2010 at 7:07 PM

You said “administration”, but you meant “Coast Guard”. Why is a paid analyst is more trustworthy than the US Armed Forces?orange on June 16, 2010 at 6:37 PM

Thad Allen said he didn’t even know Pakgen had boom. The Coast Guard isn’t equipped to handle this disaster. They are overwhelmed.

Basilsbest on June 16, 2010 at 7:19 PM

Engineering analysis shows Packgen boom “superior”

Come on, let’s be adults here. We all knew the instant that this crap story came out about the Maine boom “failing quality inspection” that this was just O’Bozo administration propaganda to cover their incompetent asses.

Jaibones on June 16, 2010 at 7:25 PM

Packgen is American; if they bought boom from them, they’d be supporting American industry. Obama can’t have that.

SilentWatcher on June 16, 2010 at 7:28 PM

orange on June 16, 2010 at 6:37 PM

Nope, he meant the Obama Admin.
The “Coast Guard” like the military works for the Admin.

When Allen said : Uh, no one told me about Maine boom company.
That was true.

DAYS later the Coast Guard Spokeshole, Capt. Ron LaBrec said PackGen boom failed BP’s “quality test”.

The Spokeshole gave the Obama Admin spin. As a PR guy that’s his job. He is Gibby for the Coast Guard.

DSchoen on June 16, 2010 at 7:59 PM

18″ booms will not contain oil in even 1 foot of surf.

Grunt on June 16, 2010 at 7:07 PM

ahhh, that is the next spin. but then again…how much surf is there in wetlands and marsh areas?

Fighton03 on June 16, 2010 at 8:45 PM

fed-nad on June 16, 2010 at 5:57 PM

So if it could not have been used in the ocean, it could have been used to block the tributaries and around the marshes and inlets.

Cindy Munford on June 16, 2010 at 8:51 PM

Fighton03 on June 16, 2010 at 8:45 PM

LOL! Truly, your remark wasn’t there when I left to chop onions.

Cindy Munford on June 16, 2010 at 8:52 PM

Wasn’t there a letter where several congressmen and a couple other officials stated they told Allen of the boom long before his testimony?

Hard Right on June 16, 2010 at 8:56 PM

The picture of Allan…
Why is it that even Stateside all of our uniformed Mil wear an American flag on their left upper sleeve?
We all know their one of us, right…just asking.

jerrytbg on June 16, 2010 at 9:23 PM

LOL! Truly, your remark wasn’t there when I left to chop onions.

Cindy Munford on June 16, 2010 at 8:52 PM

It was worth saying twice, oh great onion slayer :).

Fighton03 on June 16, 2010 at 9:23 PM

If Jindal or other local authorities rejected the boom, that’s one thing.

Anything BP, Captain Suckass, and this 4-star say is suspect, given their bungling thus far.

Benefit of the doubt goes to Packgen.

Christien on June 16, 2010 at 9:32 PM

Why is it that even Stateside all of our uniformed Mil wear an American flag on their left upper sleeve?
We all know their one of us, right…just asking.

jerrytbg on June 16, 2010 at 9:23 PM

You know how dumb that question sounds?

publiuspen on June 16, 2010 at 9:35 PM

You know how dumb that question sounds?

publiuspen on June 16, 2010 at 9:35 PM

No…really…enlighten me.

jerrytbg on June 16, 2010 at 9:46 PM

Christien on June 16, 2010 at 9:32 PM

had the initial statements been about the capability and classification of the boom this would be different. If the CG had said “at the time we were looking for open ocean boom, and pacgens is a different classification” fine, but per usual the govt went into CYA.

BTW…..no bashing the coasties here, they’ve pulled my and my families butts out of a sling when we had engine failure. They rate dang near the top on my scale of ‘good people’.

Fighton03 on June 16, 2010 at 9:49 PM

Okay, so what you are saying is they didn’t buy the booms, said they were inferior and it turned out they were lying?

Still doesn’t answer the obvious- Where there closer booms, cheaper booms, available booms to transport.

archer52 on June 16, 2010 at 9:52 PM

More boom delivered quickly would’ve meant lesser impact of oil reaching shore.

BP Barry would have none of that because it would be harder for him to milk the devastation as an excuse to ram through Crap & Turd.

Christien on June 16, 2010 at 9:57 PM

You know how dumb that question sounds?

publiuspen on June 16, 2010 at 9:35 PM
No…really…enlighten me.

jerrytbg on June 16, 2010 at 9:46 PM

The obvious answer is to distinguish our active duty from others…
But why is it necessary Stateside?

jerrytbg on June 16, 2010 at 10:06 PM

Actual U.S. Navy term of endearment: “Haze Gray and under way”.

Haze Gray = ugly
under way = away from loved ones

Proof positive that the U.S. Navy employs nautical Jedi mind tricks. Why else would anyone respond positively to that?

Bigurn on June 16, 2010 at 10:13 PM

Lets assume that the Feds were right and Packgens quality did not measure up; wouldnt something be better than nothing?

Just buy the goddamned boom already. We’ve already flushed trillions down the toilet at your say so, Barack. C’mon, spring for some 80% effective booms, you loser!

GTR640 on June 16, 2010 at 10:15 PM

I cannot believe that all these miscues are just simply poor administration, poor communication, dumb mistakes etc. All these screw ups are intentional to drag out the crisis. Not one thing this administration has done really benefits the country. stomping on BP, denying dividends and hanging BP out to dry is just going to shut down another asset. 20,000 or 30000 jobs are going away and that just makes more Americans poor. BP should be able to make a profit so they can make the Gulf Coast whole again.

Herb on June 16, 2010 at 10:42 PM

The British are now starting to wonder why Obama is making BP foot the bill (which will ultimately be paid by British pensioners) when it was American companies that owned the rig and the equipment that failed:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1287226/RICHARD-PENDLEBURY-Whys-BP-taking-blame.html

Last night Obama bullied BP into setting up a £13bn fund to compensate U.S. oil spill victims. Yet it’s American firms that owned the rig AND the safety equipment that failed.

…But one word that is likely to be invoked repeatedly with a pejorative tone, and with a cynicism that is in inverse proportion to its actual relevance, is the adjective ‘British’.

A decade has passed since the oil-producing giant changed its name from British Petroleum to BP, better to reflect its modern, multinational structure, rather than more parochial origins.

But, listening to President Barack Obama, you would think this wasn’t the case. For he seems to have chosen to live in the past, as does his press spokesmen and a number of key Democrat allies.

Sharke on June 17, 2010 at 12:30 AM

Haze Gray and Underway.

Fartnokker on June 17, 2010 at 12:31 AM

I cannot believe that all these miscues are just simply poor administration, poor communication, dumb mistakes etc.

Herb on June 16, 2010 at 10:42 PM

You must not have observed this government (or any for that matter) in action very much.

RINO in Name Only on June 17, 2010 at 12:32 AM

Why is it that even Stateside all of our uniformed Mil wear an American flag on their left upper sleeve?
We all know their one of us, right…just a

sking.
jerrytbg on June 16, 2010 at 9:23 PM

Uh, cuz that’s where the regs say it should be?
It’s part of the uniform.

Why do cops where badges?

DSchoen on June 17, 2010 at 12:38 AM

This boom needs to go to Mobile Bay immediately. If I understood the Governnor correctly, he ssid that all the boom the state had was requisitioned for Louisiana when this all started. Now they have no boom to stop the oil coming into Mobile Bay and the way it is set forth geographically (estuary), once it gets in there it will be almost impossible to get out.

Greyledge Gal on June 17, 2010 at 1:58 AM

Okay, so what you are saying is they didn’t buy the booms, said they were inferior and it turned out they were lying?
Still doesn’t answer the obvious- Where there closer booms, cheaper booms, available booms to transport.
archer52 on June 16, 2010 at 9:52 PM

This is from an article Wednesday, May 05 nola.com
Obviously the article is saying aint got no boom here there or anywhere.

Good oil containment boom material has become scarce and more expensive, and it is debatable whether it can save the day in the Gulf of Mexico by corralling the oil spill before it reaches shore.

The disaster has created a sore demand for boom.

“We’re flat out; we’re backlogged,” said Lenny Johnson, president of Chemtex in Cumberland, R.I., a distributor of oil spill cleanup supplies since 1998. “Every manufacturer in the country is backlogged a month. My phone rings every five minutes.”

This appears to say he (Lenny Johnson, president of Chemtex) has no boom in stock and doesn’t expect any for 30 days.

PackGen says they have boom and can punch out 90,000 ft a day.

Obama admin/Coast Guard and BP (remember, Obama’s been on top of this day one!) say there is no more boom anywhere.

PackGen says they wrote Senators, the admin, BP anyone they could think of to let them know they have boom and can punch out 90,000 ft a day.

Obama admin/Coast Guard and BP, when this story broke said they never heard of PackGen.

When Obama admin/Coast Guard and BP were shown that they had heard of PackGen cuz the Senators and reporters showed Obama admin/Coast Guard and BP the letters they had received from PackGen they clamed up for a few days, then came up with the story that PackGen boom didn’t meet their qualifications.

This is obviously a CYA by Obama admin.

Obviously for every day leak spread without containment the slick gets bigger.

It was a manageable 6 square miles on May 2. Today it is over 2500 + square miles and growing.

The question is, why didn’t Obama admin get the boom from PackGen and could the 90,000 ft a day (aprox 17 miles) help reduce the damage the oil is causing on shore today.

Obviously it would have help reduce the damage the oil is causing on shore today.

So why did Obama (remember, Obama’s been on top of this day one!) reject the boom?

An honest no BS answer would be nice for a change.

DSchoen on June 17, 2010 at 1:59 AM

Update: I’m informed by multiple commenters that “battleship gray” is an outdated term, and I’m an old fogey for having used it instead of the current term, “haze gray.” All I can say is … turn down that radio and get off my damned lawn. Kids these days …

Don’t believe it for a second! Battleship gray is right. I know this from my long experience in the navy buying that color of paint at the hardware store 15 years ago.

There Goes The Neighborhood on June 17, 2010 at 2:28 AM

Odd–they couldn’t get Turbo Tax to work properly either.

Noel on June 17, 2010 at 2:32 AM

Any boom is better than No Boom, and No Boom seems to be the main line of defense by the WH

Meanwhile, Drudge had a link to a Telegraph article Obama administration spends $1.2 billion on cycling and walking initiatives

How much did Obama spend on Haiti, and how many boats did he send there? How much money did Obama recently pledge to the islamic world to make it more competitive in high tech? How much money did Obama recently pledge to Gaza to create jobs?

They have to use sattelite views to get a scope on the oil mass, it is that large. They could take all the booms in the USA, and China too and still not cover the sq miles

Tapper did some great reporting here. Not only because it opened up something new, but it made the public understand there are possibilities for action, and Obama could easily make BP pay for the equipment and hire a bunch of Americans to use it

Anything is better than nothing and nothing is what Obama is providing. More and more he reminds me of Nagin, the New Orleans mayor who still cannot figure out what to do in the Katrina disaster so many years ago. You would have to nail Nagins nose onto the printed page to get him to read the instructions

Thanks to Tapper.

entagor on June 17, 2010 at 3:25 AM

18″ boom, like the packgen stuff, isn’t what is in short supply. It’s the 36″ boom that can handle the larger waves that they need more of in the Gulf.

What’s remarkable is how effective Packgen has been at getting their product in the news. BP needs to hire them for their PR strategy, not their boom!

fed-nad on June 16, 2010 at 5:57 PM

Point is not its application, but the fact that the Obama Administration tried to lie their way out of not doing anyting; in this case even being aware that a company was trying to contact them to let them know what he had and could make as much as they needed. I am sure that if they had asked for the larger size, it would have been provided as well. But they did not ask for any size and tried to punish him for being so public at pointing out yet another point of incompetence. It just happened that it was one they thought they could get even with.

Or lets look at a socialist side of this situation. The guys obviously has a successful business and bad luck for him, he did not need a government grant or loan or even government permission, to make miles of high grade boom. That is not a good example of socialism and the need for big government control. Worse yet, Obama and gang got their nose rubbed in it while being pointed out as incompetent and clueless. In this case they lied and said his product was inferior and when that did not fly, they said the connectors, same as what they are now buying, were inferior. Again he had the gall to point out he could change them, again without a need of a grant, government loan or even their help and making them look even more inept. Then there is another obvious problem. He is not from a minority or alternate life style. Chance are not all his workers qualify as minority either and most likely niether does the area that his company is located. I would bet his workers don’t belong to a union.

Franklyn on June 17, 2010 at 3:45 AM

clearly obama is on track to bring the usa to an end

devadevadasa on June 17, 2010 at 4:04 AM

If he just prints “Made in the USA by the AFL-CIO” it’ll be picked up by the Govt. in a Heartbeat.

Getting the boom from non union sources doesn’t help Michele’s children.

Rbastid on June 17, 2010 at 4:26 AM

“Any boom is better than No Boom, and No Boom seems to be the main line of defense by the WH”

Nope, they have close to 3 million feet of boom deployed already. But the locals say it doesn’t do any good. The oil sloshes over the top or the boom drifts to shore. The problem doesn’t seem to be so much the acquisition of boom as it seems to be enough people to adequately tend it. It must constantly be tended to ensure no breaks develop, that it remains anchored, and is replaced as it wears out.

3 million feet of boom is over 500 miles of the stuff deployed. It takes a lot of people to tend a 500 mile line of boom.

crosspatch on June 17, 2010 at 4:28 AM

18″ boom, like the packgen stuff, isn’t what is in short supply. It’s the 36″ boom that can handle the larger waves that they need more of in the Gulf.

fed-nad on June 16, 2010 at 5:57 PM

Not exactly.

You lay the boom out in concentric lines, like multiple lines of defence.

Starting with the Fire boom (of which the fed had none, despite The “In-Situ Burn” plan produced by federal agencies in 1994) closest to the center then the next largest boom down to the smallest boom closest to the shore.

DSchoen on June 17, 2010 at 5:40 AM

Nope, they have close to 3 million feet of boom deployed already. But the locals say it doesn’t do any good.
crosspatch on June 17, 2010

They needed to get the boom deployed BEFORE the slick got out of hand.

Deploying 3 million feet of boom 54 days AFTER it was needed is like turning on the water AFTER the house burned down to the ground!

Why is this so difficult for you to understand?

Do you work for Obama?

Are you Obama? Cuz that would explain a lot.

DSchoen on June 17, 2010 at 5:51 AM

Uh, cuz that’s where the regs say it should be?
It’s part of the uniform.

Why do cops where badges?

DSchoen on June 17, 2010 at 12:38 AM

I don’t believe it’s as dump a question as it sounded…I really wanted to know.
When did the regs change and why?
It’s typically a Velcro patch, not stitched on…and it ain’t a fashion statement…
And…Allan is Coast Guard…Coast Guard.

jerrytbg on June 17, 2010 at 6:30 AM

As far as LOE wearing badges…please…smart a$$ ;)

jerrytbg on June 17, 2010 at 6:32 AM

Let’s see…is it a non-union outfit?

deedledee on June 17, 2010 at 9:14 AM

Dammit Ed! I’m with ya!! As a former Testors painted model assembler, it will always be Battleship Grey! I’m still in an uproar since Crayola changed ‘flesh’ to ‘peach’!!

ArmchairEnergist on June 17, 2010 at 9:15 AM

jerrytbg on June 17, 2010 at 6:30 AM

I googled this for you but the answers are all over the map. If this doesn’t work, then try again to see what you can find.

http://www.ehow.com/way_5868862_proper-sleeve-positioning-military-patches_.html

Cindy Munford on June 17, 2010 at 9:39 AM

Hey !!!.. I know what let’s do !!!

Let’s put the Federal Government in charge of a $20 Billion Slush Fund to pay the victims of the oil spill.

P’haps, we can get someone qualified, like Jamie Gorlick, to watch out for the interests of BP.

We’ll fool everyone.

franksalterego on June 17, 2010 at 9:52 AM

What’s the next excuse?

We wrote the invoice to buy some, but the dog ate it.

Daggett on June 17, 2010 at 10:05 AM

Update: I’m informed by multiple commenters that “battleship gray” is an outdated term, and I’m an old fogey for having used it instead of the current term, “haze gray.” All I can say is … turn down that radio and get off my damned lawn. Kids these days …

Heh, sorry Ed. It’s been Haze Gray since at least the mid-80′s.

As to the Packgen boom issue, I had a very strong feeling that an independent analysis would show that it met, or exceeded all relevant standards.

As I said before, this is nothing more than your normal bureaucratic Charlie-Foxtrot. FUBAR is SNAFU where the Gvt is concerned.

NavyspyII on June 17, 2010 at 10:15 AM

Even if the boom did NOT meet standards 100%, I stand by my initial position that it is better to use something to remove 30% of the oil 60 days ago, than to wait for something that 100% meets code, and removes 90%.

Once again, Perfect is the enemy of Good. Plug the hole, then start bailing. Or better yet, one of you bail while the other plugs. Don’t just sit there and bitch that you can’t bail because the hole is still there, or you can’t plug because there’s too much water there. do something productive.

I believe that the military teaches that it is better to immediately come to a decision and implement it than to be 100% correct, but too slow to react.

NavyspyII on June 17, 2010 at 10:20 AM

The picture of Allan…
Why is it that even Stateside all of our uniformed Mil wear an American flag on their left upper sleeve?
We all know their one of us, right…just asking.
jerrytbg on June 16, 2010 at 9:23 PM

I’ll take a stab at this, and say…Because it’s part of the uniform?

And then I’ll castigate myself for feeding the troll.

NavyspyII on June 17, 2010 at 10:26 AM

P’haps, we can get someone qualified, like Jamie Gorlick, to watch out for the interests of BP.

franksalterego on June 17, 2010 at 9:52 AM

She’s perfect for the job:

Jamie Gorelick, Mistress of Disaster

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Amy Ritter on June 17, 2010 at 11:40 AM

Thad Allen said he didn’t even know Pakgen had boom. The Coast Guard isn’t equipped to handle this disaster. They are overwhelmed.

Basilsbest on June 16, 2010 at 7:19 PM

So why did Capt. Ron LaBrec say the Packgen boom was not up to snuff?

orange on June 17, 2010 at 12:02 PM

Nope, he meant the Obama Admin.
The “Coast Guard” like the military works for the Admin.

When Allen said : Uh, no one told me about Maine boom company.
That was true.

DAYS later the Coast Guard Spokeshole, Capt. Ron LaBrec said PackGen boom failed BP’s “quality test”.

The Spokeshole gave the Obama Admin spin. As a PR guy that’s his job. He is Gibby for the Coast Guard.

DSchoen on June 16, 2010 at 7:59 PM

I appreciate your candor. You are explicitly saying what Ed Morrissey and most commenters here are not willing to:

You believe that the US Military are liars.

Hey, if you want to believe that, that’s your right. You’re entitled to that belief. There once was a time where such comments would get you excoriated by everybody on the right and most on the left, but I guess maybe that has changed.

But at least you’re willing to say it clearly: you believe that the Obama admin, BP, and the US Military are all collaborating in a massive conspiracy to avoid a little PR bungle. Good for you for saying what Ed Morrissey cowardly hints at.

orange on June 17, 2010 at 12:05 PM

When did the regs change and why?
It’s typically a Velcro patch, not stitched on…and it ain’t a fashion statement…
And…Allan is Coast Guard…Coast Guard.
jerrytbg on June 17, 2010 at 6:30 AM

The US Coast Guard has multiple rolls.

In wartime the US Coast Guard is part of the US Navy. Clear?

Not in Wartime the US Coast Guard is now part Department of Homeland Security. Clear?

Why does the US Coast Guard, the US Navy, the US Army, The US Air Force wear US flags on their Uniforms?

Golly, what’s “common” among all those services? Humm? Could it be “US”?

“When did the regs change and why?”

When? Whenever the military wants to change it.

Why? There are multiple reasons why the military may want to change their uniforms be it new “pixilated” BDU’s or to distinguish their uniforms from that of another countrey as per the Third Geneva Conventions on uniforms, that being be a “fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance”.

Again why do cops wear badges? So you know they are cops.

Velcro patch, not stitched? A distinction without a difference.

Why were black and white invasion stripes painted on our air planes when we invaded Europe 1944?

To be a “fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance”.

You can’t really be this stupid, or am I wrong again?

DSchoen on June 17, 2010 at 5:03 PM

You believe that the US Military are liars.
orange on June 17, 2010 at 12:05 PM

Uhm no.

What I said was “DAYS later the Coast Guard Spokeshole, Capt. Ron LaBrec said PackGen boom failed BP’s “quality test”.

Coast Guard Spokeshole, Capt. Ron LaBrec, NOT the military.
Hint! Capt. Ron LaBrec is not the military.

Who gave him his marching orders to lie? The Admin.

DSchoen on June 17, 2010 at 5:07 PM

Cindy,
I do hope you read this but it’s not likely …I’m sorry you got involved…
Thanks for the effort anyway, although it wasn’t necessary.

Ah …Dschoen…
It is most obvious that you have no idea what the real question was…
It was too subtle, my fault, I should have been more direct. I won’t apologize to you for that.
You’re so lost in the left/right paradigm you never tried to see the deeper question.
You took it at face value and ran with it…
Now, am I going to tell you what the real question was? Nope…
Please, ignore me…I shall you.

jerrytbg on June 17, 2010 at 9:44 PM

Well, I’m just glad we have GOP stalwarts like John Boehner to keep everybody honest here. If it weren’t for their commitment to Constitutional governance, we’d really have no hope.

Bugler on June 18, 2010 at 12:10 PM

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