Video: America’s Candidate surprisingly isn’t improving in media relations

posted at 2:40 pm on June 13, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Don Lemon at CNN gets his turn with a media stick to take some shots at Alvin “Piñata” Greene, the South Carolina Democrat who miraculously won the US Senate primary despite never making a public appearance.  Actually, it’s beginning to look like Greene won because he never made a public appearance.  Keith Olbermann conducted a professional and straightforward interview that utterly dismantled Greene, but Lemon begins to get concerned that Greene’s having some sort of mental breakdown and spends the last minute of the clip attempting to provide therapy:

Lemon says in the clip that the New York Times called him a Republican plant, but that’s not actually true.  The Times reported yesterday on the many, many oddities in South Carolina politics over the past decade, including the accusation by others that Greene was a plant.  The paper reported the day before on allegations from Rep. James Clyburn that someone planted Greene.  Gail Collins wrote that the debacle was likely the result of mental coin-flipping by uninformed voters, and that “South Carolina the best place in the world to be a political reporter.”  However, no one at the NYT has written categorically that Greene was a plant at all, let alone a Republican plant.

But back to the trainwreck that is Alvin Greene.  When Lemon tells Greene that some SC Democrats are calling him a few fries short of a Happy Meal, Greene demands to know their names, as if that makes some sort of difference.  When Lemon tells him who they are (they’re on record), Greene mumbles an I’m-rubber-you’re-glue response that is more pathetic than the accusation.  He still can’t give more than monotone answers of few syllables to most questions Lemon or anyone else asks, although he has managed to replace “no comment” with “my lawyers are handling that,” which in politics is not exactly an improvement.  Greene sounds so morose that it’s no wonder that Lemon starts getting concerned at the end of the call.

The biggest loser in this debacle, however, is Vic Rawls, Greene’s primary opponent.  How did a former judge and a Democratic Party leader lose to Greene — by over thirty thousand votes?


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Why all this hatin’ on Alvin Greene???

ladyingray on June 13, 2010 at 2:42 PM

Actually, it’s beginning to look like Greene won because he never made a public appearance.

Obama could learn something from this guy.

Connie on June 13, 2010 at 2:44 PM

This is getting weirder by the day.

The “throw ‘em out” is working but it’s getting replaced with “I’d vote for a ham sandwich over the current guys” and it looks like they have done just that in SC…..(my apologies to ham sandwiches..)

ted c on June 13, 2010 at 2:46 PM

Heh, reminds me of the last Presidential election…

CC

CapedConservative on June 13, 2010 at 2:46 PM

It is cruel at this point to continue to beat up on this guy. The media is starting to look like a bunch of bullies.

ramrants on June 13, 2010 at 2:46 PM

The dems are racist. The DNC reaction to this has been beyond ugly, so what if he’s not a serious candidate- lots of heavy blue states run un-serious Repubs against unbeatable incumbents. This isn’t the case here, the whole Dem establishment has come out of the woodwork to publicly humiliate this man, almost as if they want to make a public example of him to any other rank and file Democrat to not go around trying to assume leadership positions on their own initiative. This merely them publicly asserting ownership of their plantation party AND all of its members.

abobo on June 13, 2010 at 2:48 PM

I keep thinking that at any given minute, someone is going to say the wrong thing to Alvin Greene by asking the wrong question, at which point Greene will prove he is indeed unstable, suddenly snap and proceed to viciously beat the person who was unfortunate enough to ask him that question to a pulp.

Which is why I really look forward to Alvin Greene appearing live on Hardball with Chris Matthews.

I mean, as in the same studio with Chris Matthews.

Preferably locked in the same studio with Chris Matthews.

pilamaye on June 13, 2010 at 2:48 PM

After this interview I’ve gone from leaning slightly in his favor to strongly undecided.

Geez…

SteveMG on June 13, 2010 at 2:49 PM

Machine candidate, literally.

Skandia Recluse on June 13, 2010 at 2:49 PM

Greene is the natural conclusion of democrat ideals. That democrats don’t like it, is really their own fault.

lorien1973 on June 13, 2010 at 2:50 PM

Comedy gold.

donkichi on June 13, 2010 at 2:51 PM

It’s robo-polls not robo-candidate.

Yeah, we’ve all got a million of them.

SteveMG on June 13, 2010 at 2:52 PM

Wow, just WOW!

fourdeucer on June 13, 2010 at 2:53 PM

Someone ask him about black holes.

Cicero43 on June 13, 2010 at 2:53 PM

lorien1973 on June 13, 2010 at 2:50 PM

Looking in the mirror is not easy…

ladyingray on June 13, 2010 at 2:53 PM

Why isnt Al Sharpton standing up for this guy?? I mean, this IS his forte…where is he?? Where is Farrakhan…still chasing reporters off his lawn. Come on, trouble mixers….where r u?

malkinmania on June 13, 2010 at 2:53 PM

Leave Alvin alone!!

apoole on June 13, 2010 at 2:53 PM

……cajun shrimp,coconut shrimp,lemon shrimp, pepper shrimp, fried shrimp,shrimpngrits, shrimp fried rice…..

macncheez on June 13, 2010 at 2:54 PM

A new variation of the 80/20 rule: Cross 80% Greene and 20% Obama and you’d have a politician who talks just about enough.

Drained Brain on June 13, 2010 at 2:54 PM

I am looking forward to the debates.

myrenovations on June 13, 2010 at 2:55 PM

Dude, I kinda want to see Greene win now. It would almost be worth losing a seat in the Senate to have him as a public figure for six years proudly wearing the democrat badge. Would LOVE to hear his speeches on the Senate floor.

thphilli on June 13, 2010 at 2:55 PM

How did a former judge and a Democratic Party leader lose to Greene — by over thirty thousand votes?

The color of his skin.

SouthernGent on June 13, 2010 at 2:55 PM

” How did a former judge and a Democratic Party leader lose to Greene — by over thirty thousand votes?”

George Soros was testing his new maching…

Seven Percent Solution on June 13, 2010 at 2:55 PM

Obama needs to get out there ans stump for the brother.

profitsbeard on June 13, 2010 at 2:56 PM

I look forward to his first policy discussion with Barbara Boxer. The confluence of the stupidity streams will rip the very fabric of the universe asunder.

Cicero43 on June 13, 2010 at 2:56 PM

So SEIU or ACORN is in charge of vote counting for all the elections or just those in South Carolina and Minnisota?

Haunches on June 13, 2010 at 2:57 PM

When he preps for the debate (Lord help us), he’ll have to hire Tom Hanks to play the stand-in for his opponent.

Yeah, another Forrest Gump reference.

This is unbelievable, it really is.

SteveMG on June 13, 2010 at 2:57 PM

Maybe I’m naive, but this interview seemed to show at least a little genuine concern for Greene and for the voters. The other interviews were hilarious, but they were aimed at the sheer spectacle of this.

Greene is starting to work the angle of sympathy given the crime statistics out there for a certain segment of society. Of course he has to step it up to take that and be an effective member of Congress.

So is DeMint going to debate this guy, or will he avoid it on humanitarian grounds? It would be a huge platform for DeMint to show compassion for that part of his constituency that Greene represents.

pedestrian on June 13, 2010 at 2:57 PM

How did a former judge and a Democratic Party leader lose to Greene — by over thirty thousand votes?

Just a guess: He was listed first on the ballot and the people of SC didn’t know or care who either one was.

Daggett on June 13, 2010 at 2:58 PM

thphilli on June 13, 2010 at 2:55 PM

Uh, no thanks. I’m enjoying this as much as anyone but losing Jim DeMint is unacceptable.

ladyingray on June 13, 2010 at 2:58 PM

You know, he may not be a smooth talker, but so far he’s made fewer mistakes without a teleprompter than Obama.

Daggett on June 13, 2010 at 3:00 PM

Lemon clearly almost bit his own tongue off in order to avoid asking Greene if he rode to school on the short bus. This really is just sad and a little bit mean at this point. I mean, the media should let voters have a chance to see who their choices are, but how many times does this poor incompetent man have to be dragged through the same questions and painful monosyllabic answers?

aero on June 13, 2010 at 3:00 PM

There is a little primary game played in the south.
If your party representative has a lock on the nomination, i.e. DeMint, primary voters will vote for the least qualified or least recognized candidate in the opposing party. Democrats taught this tactic to Republicans, who are now sufficient in number to make the ploy pay.
I am certainly not saying this is what happened, I have no proof, merely speculation.

Open The Door on June 13, 2010 at 3:01 PM

Its funny how CNN suddenly declares that saying “no comment” as a public offical is suddenly not acceptable.
Yet they had full acceptance from Blago..Dodd..William Jefferson (democrat Louisiana)…etc feel free to add to list.

malkinmania on June 13, 2010 at 3:02 PM

Daggett on June 13, 2010 at 2:58 PM

This is the most likely answer.

lorien1973 on June 13, 2010 at 3:02 PM

Has anyone in the media tracked down people who served in the military with him? I would like to hear what they have to say about what he was like.

Mark1971 on June 13, 2010 at 3:04 PM

Its funny how CNN suddenly declares that saying “no comment” as a public offical is suddenly not acceptable.
Yet they had full acceptance from Blago..Dodd..William Jefferson (democrat Louisiana)…etc feel free to add to list.

malkinmania on June 13, 2010 at 3:02 PM

And how they’ve never asked Barney Frank or Al Franked if if they are mentally stable.

Mark1971 on June 13, 2010 at 3:05 PM

Alvin Greene is people…

ninjapirate on June 13, 2010 at 3:06 PM

My Name is Alvin Greene, Democrate nominee for US Senate in South Carolina, and I approve this message… whatever…

bobnox on June 13, 2010 at 3:07 PM

Daggett on June 13, 2010 at 2:58 PM

This is the most likely answer.

lorien1973 on June 13, 2010 at 3:02 PM

For a general election maybe, but primary voters are the ones who are most engaged. It is a simple matter to for some news organization to do a poll of actual voters and ask them the reason for their vote.

pedestrian on June 13, 2010 at 3:07 PM

Hmmm. What’s Obama’s approval rating? 44 or so? What’s his approval rating among blacks? Ninety-what?

BKeyser on June 13, 2010 at 3:08 PM

Has anyone in the media tracked down people who served in the military with him? I would like to hear what they have to say about what he was like.

Mark1971 on June 13, 2010 at 3:04 PM

No they are still busy looking up Joe the Plumbers records

malkinmania on June 13, 2010 at 3:08 PM

Alvin Green is definitely a “popcorn” story .. fun to watch

J_Crater on June 13, 2010 at 3:09 PM

I agree with a few previous posts,,,I think this was a trial run of some kind of election tampering,,,there are too many weird things. I am of the Jethro Gibbs school of thought,,,”there are no such thing as coincidences”. The libs and their various nefarious criminal activities saw how well it worked out during the 2008 primaries and general,,,now they are fine tuning it for the big one this Nov.

retiredeagle on June 13, 2010 at 3:10 PM

How did a former judge and a Democratic Party leader lose to Greene — by over thirty thousand votes?

Uh..the guy rigging the vote count got it wrong?

BobMbx on June 13, 2010 at 3:10 PM

If your party representative has a lock on the nomination, i.e. DeMint, primary voters will vote for the least qualified or least recognized candidate in the opposing party.

Open The Door on June 13, 2010 at 3:01 PM

The Republican SC contest was one of the most interesting in the country. No way would people give that up to pick the guy who will lose to DeMint.

pedestrian on June 13, 2010 at 3:10 PM

Maybe Forrest Gump is available to tell us the many “Greene Fables” of his time in the military.

J_Crater on June 13, 2010 at 3:11 PM

Just a guess: He was listed first on the ballot and the people of SC didn’t know or care who either one was.

Daggett on June 13, 2010 at 2:58 PM

South Carolina has a 28.5% black population vs 12.8% national average. They are probably democrats. They simply voted for the black man like they were taught to in the last election. They considered the potential for a black senator from south carolina to be another historic vote. I’m surprised that anyone is surprised.

Haunches on June 13, 2010 at 3:12 PM

thphilli on June 13, 2010 at 2:55 PM

Could you be satisfied with Rep. Corrine Brown from Florida? As recently as last week she hung up on an NPR reporter who questioned her lawsuit to keep an initiative to end gerrymandering off the ballot.

Cindy Munford on June 13, 2010 at 3:14 PM

Maybe Forrest Gump is available to tell us the many “Greene Fables” of his time in the military.

J_Crater on June 13, 2010 at 3:11 PM

This guy kind of reminds me of Bubba from that movie.

Mark1971 on June 13, 2010 at 3:15 PM

Why is nominating a typical democrat a problem?

notagool on June 13, 2010 at 3:17 PM

I am begging Republican in the public eye to keep their mouths shut about this gentleman.

Cindy Munford on June 13, 2010 at 3:19 PM

Mr. Greene appears to be mentally retarded. I am not saying that to be mean or to belittle him or any other MR person. It just seems clear to me that he does not have a high IQ. Accusing him of being under the influence of a substance or having a mental breakdown is actually even more insulting considering that he cannot help his low intelligence and poor processing capability.

aero on June 13, 2010 at 3:21 PM

Soon to be offered job as MMS Director?

kagai on June 13, 2010 at 3:24 PM

Can someone be mentally retarded and serve 13 years in the US military? Wouldn’t he have been weeded out before he even got to enlist?

Mark1971 on June 13, 2010 at 3:25 PM

System always trying to keep a Greene man down.

rogerb on June 13, 2010 at 3:26 PM

I just hope voters across the nation are learning a lesson from this to at least take a cursory look at who their candidates are before going to the polls. We tend to trust that a candidate couldn’t get on a ballot without jumping through some hoops or passing some sort of preliminary party requirements or something. This proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that anyone–ANYONE–can get on a ballot just by paying a fee. Greene proves that it can be a game of Russian roulette for voters to choose blindly like this.

aero on June 13, 2010 at 3:26 PM

I’d take Greene over Graham.

chaswv on June 13, 2010 at 3:27 PM

Can someone be mentally retarded and serve 13 years in the US military? Wouldn’t he have been weeded out before he even got to enlist?

Mark1971 on June 13, 2010 at 3:25 PM

I don’t know, but if there’s a cutoff line for IQ or mental competence, I’m guessing he came in right at that line.

aero on June 13, 2010 at 3:28 PM

Alvin Greene + teleprompter = (_________________)

TheSitRep on June 13, 2010 at 3:28 PM

Greene: I’mokay.

Lemon: Are you sure? ‘Cause if you’re not okay you should… let us know.

Greatest. Interview. Evah!

Editor on June 13, 2010 at 3:31 PM

The dems in SC got a candidate they didn’t spend any money on and are complaining about it. Since he didn’t go out to campaign, he must already know how to vote present. Has he ever taught a law class at USC? Yep, he’s qualified.

Kissmygrits on June 13, 2010 at 3:31 PM

Alvin Greene isnt clean or articulate.

/Joe Biden

William Amos on June 13, 2010 at 3:32 PM

Can someone be mentally retarded and serve 13 years in the US military? Wouldn’t he have been weeded out before he even got to enlist?

Mark1971 on June 13, 2010 at 3:25 PM

One could ask the same thing about the University of South Carolina. In fact, 30-something graduates of USC who are going to job interviews are no doubt dreading the interview question “so did you know..?”

pedestrian on June 13, 2010 at 3:33 PM

None of this matters. The SC democrats will vote for this guy anyway.

Vince on June 13, 2010 at 3:33 PM

Could it be that someone/group rigged the SC election?

j_galt on June 13, 2010 at 3:33 PM

I read somewhere that the absentee ballots went 88% to his opponent.

Greene is just another in a long line of monster orators pproduced by South Carolina.

Akzed on June 13, 2010 at 3:34 PM

Also, this guy is the anti-Jim Traficant.

Editor on June 13, 2010 at 3:35 PM

Question: How does Demint handle the debates? He’s going to have to tip toe very carefully to not come across as too overbearing or bullying.

sluhser589 on June 13, 2010 at 3:35 PM

Sheeeeeesh – if this dude was a Republican Sharpton and Jackson would be screaming racist all the way to the bank.

Don’t the networks realize that they are being punked? Lemon is the dope that needs a shrink not Greene.

iam7545 on June 13, 2010 at 3:36 PM

The Dems are trying to collard Greene as a plant. Do not let that seed take root.

mechkiller_k on June 13, 2010 at 3:36 PM

Meanwhile the FCC is asking Alvin where he got his money

Where were you FCC in 2008 and why didnt you ask Obama ?

William Amos on June 13, 2010 at 3:36 PM

I’d take Greene over Graham.

chaswv on June 13, 2010 at 3:27 PM

I was thinking about this earlier. How many Republicans would vote for Greene just out of spite over Graham? It will be fun to see what percentage of Dems choose Greene over Demint.

Mark1971 on June 13, 2010 at 3:37 PM

Seven Percent Solution on June 13, 2010 at 2:55 PM

I think there’s more truth to this statement than you realize, 7%. All the media in SC are looking into how this could have happened. If they can’t figure it out, the new machine will be launched nationally in Nov. Greene will defeat DeMint by 60%, no Republicans will win anywhere, and Obama will win in 2012 with Hugo Chavez-like percentages.

Didn’t Van Jones tell his acolytes that this week will be remembered as the point when everything changed?

BitterClinger on June 13, 2010 at 3:37 PM

Question: How does Demint handle the debates? He’s going to have to tip toe very carefully to not come across as too overbearing or bullying.

sluhser589 on June 13, 2010 at 3:35 PM

That won’t problem because there is absolutely no contest. What will be the far greater challenge is what to do with all the 58 seconds of dead air each time Greene is given a minute to answer a question.

pedestrian on June 13, 2010 at 3:38 PM

Dems are suggesting that the GOP rigged the electronic voting machines in SC, apparently unwilling to admit their voters really are morons who voted for Greene for no reason. And I’m not sure why the GOP would got to such great lengths to rig an election to help Jim DeMint…get re-elected to a safe seat.

changer1701 on June 13, 2010 at 3:39 PM

Could it be that someone/group rigged the SC election?

j_galt on June 13, 2010 at 3:33 PM

It didn’t need rigging — DeMint was not going to lose. Why would anyone try to rig it? SC Democrats could have put up the most fabulous, electable candidate ever and he or she still would have lost to DeMint because SC is so red.

aero on June 13, 2010 at 3:40 PM

Could it be that someone/group rigged the SC election?

j_galt on June 13, 2010 at 3:33 PM

The unions have been anti establishment Dems lately. Alvin has some connections to unions.

It really is a circus out there.

William Amos on June 13, 2010 at 3:40 PM

Greene graduated from Manning High School in 1995 and received a bachelor’s degree in political science from the University of South Carolina in 2000

Really? I don’t believe it.

Emperor Norton on June 13, 2010 at 3:40 PM

Maybe the guy is really intelligent but can’t speak worth a damn. The exact opposite of Obama.

Mark1971 on June 13, 2010 at 3:43 PM

Mark1971 on June 13, 2010 at 3:37 PM

Graham is much more dangerous.

chaswv on June 13, 2010 at 3:43 PM

My God, this is a guy who was elected to be possibly a member of the Senate? And, we wonder why the Country’s going downhill! I swear to God, you should have to take a test in order to vote!

Hobbes on June 13, 2010 at 3:44 PM

Still crazy

Jim Clyburn Says Elephant Dung All Over South Carolina Primary Involving Alvin Greene

Why they hatin ?

David Axelrod: Alvin Greene Doesn’t Appear To Be “Legitimate

William Amos on June 13, 2010 at 3:45 PM

Greene graduated from Manning High School in 1995 and received a bachelor’s degree in political science from the University of South Carolina in 2000

Really? I don’t believe it.

Emperor Norton on June 13, 2010 at 3:40 PM

I would not be surprised to find out that USC met its racial quota that year.

pedestrian on June 13, 2010 at 3:45 PM

How did a former judge and a Democratic Party leader lose to Greene — by over thirty thousand votes?

Bizarro problems with the voting machines?

Buy Danish on June 13, 2010 at 3:46 PM

Greene graduated from Manning High School in 1995 and received a bachelor’s degree in political science from the University of South Carolina in 2000

He must be doing a “Goober” “Bubba” impersonation

J_Crater on June 13, 2010 at 3:47 PM

DeMint has to be scratching his head wondering how to “campaign” against this guy.

Do you just not doing anything? Do you debate him?

Yowza!

gophergirl on June 13, 2010 at 3:50 PM

Seriously give that man a teleprompter and he’ll do fine with democrats.

Caper29 on June 13, 2010 at 3:50 PM

Can someone be mentally retarded and serve 13 years in the US military? Wouldn’t he have been weeded out before he even got to enlist?

Mark1971 on June 13, 2010 at 3:2

Nope not at all ASVAB test scores are routinely waivered.
For certain groups.

I saw a Marine majors OQR and his gt score was 70, had he been white he could not have joined even as an enlisted man.

TheSitRep on June 13, 2010 at 3:53 PM

Can you imagine a WHITE anchor/reporter asking a BLACK candidate for the U.S. Senate, “Are you impaired? Are you mentally stable? Are you OK?”

Calling the NAACP – another Hallmark Card!!!!

fred5678 on June 13, 2010 at 3:54 PM

They’re the knuckleheads.

I just can’t get over this interview. It is so awesome! I keep thinking more and more that this guy is totally putting us all on.

Editor on June 13, 2010 at 3:55 PM

Greene got the nod. S**t happens. The libtards will just have to suck it up through a straw.

GrannyDee on June 13, 2010 at 3:55 PM

Maybe the guy is really intelligent but can’t speak worth a damn. The exact opposite of Obama.

Mark1971 on June 13, 2010 at 3:43 PM

Do you really think so, or are you just playing devil’s advocate? I’ve been looking for any sign of intelligence or critical thinking skills in these interviews with Greene, and I just don’t see any. The poor man appears to be dumb as a proverbial rock.

I think he got his high school diploma because of Special Education modifications to his classwork and testing. Happens all the time. I have to assume that if he really has a college degree that he got it the same way.

aero on June 13, 2010 at 3:58 PM

I am looking forward to the debates.

myrenovations on June 13, 2010 at 2:55 PM

Well at least he has time to study.

heshtesh on June 13, 2010 at 3:59 PM

DeMint has to be scratching his head wondering how to “campaign” against this guy.

Do you just not doing anything? Do you debate him?

Yowza!

gophergirl on June 13, 2010 at 3:50 PM

Demint should be extremely kind to him, and not just in a condescending way, and give him huge props for his military service, pointing to the heroics of our military, and taking his honorable discharge from the military as purely honorable, not mentioning the involuntary part. He should do this while politely and humbly talking up himself.

This approach will help him politically not just in this debate, but in the future, as people will respect that approach much more than attacking some poor guy who is obviously in over his head.

As to whether to debate him, you leave that entirely up to him, and accept his choice.

RINO in Name Only on June 13, 2010 at 4:01 PM

Greene’s win is the best argument against pure democracy you can make. The electorate (at least the SC-D) is comatose.

The Founding Fathers had it right.

fred5678 on June 13, 2010 at 4:01 PM

It’s not easy being Greene.

petefrt on June 13, 2010 at 4:02 PM

“the people of your district have a right to know”. CNN reporter is a dumb ass. US Senate is a statewide race. Idiot.

skanter on June 13, 2010 at 4:04 PM

Greene is my favourite Democratic candidate EVER. Let’s see.

-Unknown Democratic Senator candidate in 2012.

-Surprise Senatorial win in November.

-Two years of voting present while gearing up for 2014.

-A campaign of real Hope and Change while historically becoming America’s first truly 100% black president.

-And a Presidential victory in 2014 all on a budget of less than $1 million.

Canadian Infidel on June 13, 2010 at 4:05 PM

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