White House requests comments to define “green jobs”

posted at 10:12 am on June 11, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

After spending two years on the campaign trail and more than another year as President talking about “green jobs,” the Obama team has decided to take a significant step forward.  They’re now asking for imput from the general public in order to figure out what they hell they’ve meant for the past three years:

Buried deep inside a federal newsletter on March 16 was something called a “notice of solicitation of comments” from the Bureau of Labor Statistics at the Department of Labor.

“BLS is responsible for developing and implementing the collection of new data on green jobs,” said the note in the Federal Register, which is widely read by government bureaucrats and almost never seen by the general public. But the notice said there is “no widely accepted standard definition of ‘green jobs.’” To help find that definition, the Labor Department asked that readers send in suggestions.

The notice came only after the department scoured studies from government, academia, and business in search of a definition. “The common thread through the studies and discussions is that green jobs are jobs related to preserving or restoring the environment,” the notice said. Duh! Beyond that, a precise definition has eluded Labor Department officials.

Before he left the administration, Van Jones ran an entire office dedicated to “green jobs.”  Didn’t anyone think to define that term before creating the office of Special Advisor for Green Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation? After three years of blathering about how these “green jobs” would create a vast expansion of the American economy, now we find out that no one in the White House can actually identify what a “green job” is?

That’s not going to help reverse the image of incompetence Barack Obama is manufacturing for himself at the White House these days.

Of course, it may not be just incompetence at work here.  It appears that no one can define a “green job,” or wants to define it.  That’s a pretty good indication that the term itself is meaningless and has no use at all in policymaking.

When alternative energy sources succeed in efficiently producing energy in mass quantities at a price point that competes with other energy sources, the industry will create plenty of jobs, and no one will care whether they’re green, purple, polka-dotted, or striped.  Right now, the best definition of a “green job” is one that taxpayers have to sink tons of green into creating with little return of green for their trouble.


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A green job is likeeee

wax fruit

blatantblue on June 11, 2010 at 10:14 AM

It looks real but it is useless

blatantblue on June 11, 2010 at 10:14 AM

We really do have a bunch of idiots running the country.

p0s3r on June 11, 2010 at 10:15 AM

I will reveal what a green job is… once you pay me… 800 billion dollars! Mwahahahahahah /dr evil

gleep on June 11, 2010 at 10:16 AM

A green job is whatever they say it is, and they’ve created over a BILLION of them. So the stimulus is working. Now go away.

jdfister on June 11, 2010 at 10:16 AM

It’s a “feel good” job.

OldEnglish on June 11, 2010 at 10:17 AM

Oh I know, it is White House Press Secretary; the look on Gibbs’ face when someone asks him about Sestak or Romanoff says it all.

barnone on June 11, 2010 at 10:17 AM

Prompted, of course, by discovering that South Carolina Dem primary voters thought ‘green job’ meant ‘give Greene a job’.

JEM on June 11, 2010 at 10:18 AM

I figure the definition will end up being, in essence, any job that sucks more in taxpayer subsidy than it contributes to the economy.

JEM on June 11, 2010 at 10:19 AM

A green job is likeeee

wax fruit

blatantblue on June 11, 2010 at 10:14 AM

It looks real but it is useless

blatantblue on June 11, 2010 at 10:14 AM

Ergo, Obama = Wax Fruit.

Patrick S on June 11, 2010 at 10:20 AM

Right now, the best definition of a “green job” is one that taxpayers have to sink tons of green into creating with little return of green for their trouble.

It’s all those “saved or created” government jobs.

cartooner on June 11, 2010 at 10:20 AM

green jobs = jobs that pays greenbacks.

Caper29 on June 11, 2010 at 10:21 AM

Green jobs…you will know it when you see it…

right2bright on June 11, 2010 at 10:22 AM

So the green jobs thing was really just a snow job.
Huh.

common sensineer on June 11, 2010 at 10:22 AM

Ask Spain. Nobody knows what they are but apparently they lose money like sand through an hourglass.

Cindy Munford on June 11, 2010 at 10:23 AM

But the notice said there is “no widely accepted standard definition of ‘green jobs.’” To help find that definition, the Labor Department asked that readers send in suggestions.

Folks, this is exactly why Obama and company have been able to get so much mileage with the “green jobs” BS. No one, and I mean literally no one, even friggin knew what it meant. They could just make $hit up and no one could call them on it, because it was not defined.

Johnnyreb on June 11, 2010 at 10:23 AM

Pathetic. I call for Obama to resign.

J_Crater on June 11, 2010 at 10:24 AM

Green Job…sort of like what Lewinsky did to Clinton, only the lobbyist pays the receiver…
As in: “We are passing the card check because the union gave me a great greenjob.”

right2bright on June 11, 2010 at 10:25 AM

It’s the “Feel Good” job of the summer!

GreenBlade on June 11, 2010 at 10:25 AM

Of course, it may not be just incompetence at work here. It appears that no one can define a “green job,” or wants to define it. That’s a pretty good indication that the term itself is meaningless and has no use at all in policymaking.

And therein lies the truth. Without a definition, many jobs can be called Green Jobs without the requirement of proof. Like, a Saved or Created job.

What was the name of that new Job that Steve Martin was promised in “The Jerk”?

barnone on June 11, 2010 at 10:26 AM

Ask Spain. Nobody knows what they are but apparently they lose money like sand through an hourglass.

Cindy Munford on June 11, 2010 at 10:23 AM

Yep. With 20%+ unemployment. Maybe that’s the objective. We’re halfway there!

Cody1991 on June 11, 2010 at 10:27 AM

Green Job, definition: any job that helps elect or keep Democrats in office.

mwbri on June 11, 2010 at 10:27 AM

Unsustainable!

jeglinas on June 11, 2010 at 10:28 AM

Green Jobs.
It’s a sign.
An indicator of how Health Care/Insurance ‘reform’ is going to work out.

It’s also a sign of what circumstances we’re gonna be in if war breaks out somewhere. Like that car commercial were everyone jumps out of the car they’re driving and jumps into another one.

Skandia Recluse on June 11, 2010 at 10:28 AM

We are entering Alice in Wonderland territory, where words mean just what they choose it to mean.

And the Red Queen “off with her head” vs. Dear Liar “boot on their neck” and “who’s ass to kick.”

rbj on June 11, 2010 at 10:29 AM

Green Jobs are Jobs for those politically a-Green with Obama. Like ACORN census workers.

From the valley of the Jolly (ho-ho-ho) Green Jobs Czar!

Has anyone else noticed that the Kick-Ass uniform uses the same color scheme as BP?

The Monster on June 11, 2010 at 10:29 AM

The reason they don’t want to define “Green Jobs” is because the only accurate description is “organized government theft.”

Most of the money will be siphoned off and into the pockets of guys like Van Jones. Easy, get-rich-quick scam.

Cody1991 on June 11, 2010 at 10:30 AM

a Green Job is Captain Kick-Ass

PatriotRider on June 11, 2010 at 10:30 AM

A green job is when solar plants in Spain mount sheets of black plastic made to look like solar panels to hide the diesel generators. In short, the phrase “green job” means the same as “snow job”… but is stupifyingly more costly.

Green job

theCork on June 11, 2010 at 10:33 AM

Green Jobs = Democrat Culture of Corruption in over-drive.

Where’s Pelosi with that bony finger pointed and screaming about corruption?

Cody1991 on June 11, 2010 at 10:33 AM

Green Jobs = any job that can be sold for greenbacks by the democrats.

meci on June 11, 2010 at 10:34 AM

A green job is what you get after you loose two real jobs…

twiggman on June 11, 2010 at 10:34 AM

A green job is racist.

search4truth on June 11, 2010 at 10:35 AM

But the notice said there is “no widely accepted standard definition of ‘green jobs.’” To help find that definition, the Labor Department asked that readers send in suggestions.

A solid B+. *giggle*

TN Mom on June 11, 2010 at 10:35 AM

Maybe this Administration needs to look into a different type of “green job”.

Wanted: To start immediately. The successful candidate will be responsible to guide and teach the POTUS.

Qualifications:
Demonstrated management and leadership skills.
Strong verbal communication skills.
Strong problem solving skills.
Highly motivated.
Must have a valid driver’s license had proof of U.S citizenship.
Telecommuting not allowed.
Must provide your own tools (smoke and mirrors).

This is a contract position for a length of 2.5 years.

Electrongod on June 11, 2010 at 10:37 AM

Green jobs? Are they kind of like carbon foot prints? Snake oil salesmen are responsible for selling them? OK, now I get it.
Those pathetic merchants have been trying to separate us from our money for a long time. All that money has disappeared into a black hole. We are broke and now they want more. We have a crisis that no one wants to pay for and now we find out that they didn’t know what they were either.

Fleeced? You betcha’

BetseyRoss on June 11, 2010 at 10:38 AM

A green job is one that takes something that could be done for 35K per year in the private sector by one person and turns it into a 5 government non-jobs at seventeen times the cost of doing it in the private sector.

And then they hand you, the taxpayer, a bill, and criticize you for being ‘selfish.’

Good Lt on June 11, 2010 at 10:38 AM

green job: union education bureaucrat, government employee, marijuana dealer

Beagle on June 11, 2010 at 10:39 AM

If the government wants my opinion, the time to think for it is now $10,000/hour.

In gold.

Dumb looks, still free.

ajacksonian on June 11, 2010 at 10:40 AM

Van Jones was the Green jobs czar. He was too stupid to define green jobs. He knew what communism was, however.

I think we should call them the green unicorn workforce.

I notice in wiki they have now added agricultural jobs to the green list as they have clean up of contamination.

BP is now a leader in creating green jobs. Cleaning the environment.

seven on June 11, 2010 at 10:40 AM

I worked in city government for 35 years, and granted, it had its share of bureaucracy and waste, but if this was done in my city, you would be fired so fast your head would spin.

What else is there we don’t know about, yet?

kam582 on June 11, 2010 at 10:40 AM

Maybe Alvin Greene knows…

ladyingray on June 11, 2010 at 10:40 AM

Hey, no biggie. Given their lack of concern or focus, it’s clear this administration doesn’t even know the definition of “job”. Outside of the public sector at least.

Doughboy on June 11, 2010 at 10:40 AM

Green Job
- noun

A type of employment that has little to no impact on the job market due to it’s fictional nature.

smfoushee on June 11, 2010 at 10:41 AM

Does it matter? I don’t think he has “saved or created” any color of jobs.

tommer74 on June 11, 2010 at 10:41 AM

I still want to know where the 400,000 instant jobs from Obamacare were created.

John Deaux on June 11, 2010 at 10:41 AM

A green job is when solar plants in Spain mount sheets of black plastic made to look like solar panels to hide the diesel generators. In short, the phrase “green job” means the same as “snow job”… but is stupifyingly more costly.

Green job

theCork on June 11, 2010 at 10:33 AM

That made me laugh my ass off. In a strange way, stories like that give me hope for humanity. No matter how awful, backwards and crazy the world gets, there will always be the ‘little’ people out there to illustrate the absurdity, capitalize on political evil, and generally bring the bad system down.

shibumiglass on June 11, 2010 at 10:42 AM

I think that they’d want the vaguest description they can find. That way they can trumpet the number of jobs ‘created’. Trash man = recycler.

GarandFan on June 11, 2010 at 10:43 AM

A green job is where you get paid to vote for democrats.

I know a guy who recently got a government job helping unemployed people find work. He has no training in this area — he’s an out of work general contractor. He was told that it’s a stimulus job and will expire in November. Apparently he’s getting paid to vote democrat in the November elections.

rcw on June 11, 2010 at 10:43 AM

A green job is a job that the market isn’t demanding and that the government wants to force into existence at your expense.

BECAUSE OF TEH COMPASSSIONS AND TEH EARTHZ!@!!!!4111

Good Lt on June 11, 2010 at 10:43 AM

Green job = lawn care.

Purple Avenger on June 11, 2010 at 10:43 AM

Green jobs kick ass!

It’s a two-fer!

Bruno Strozek on June 11, 2010 at 10:44 AM

Why does it always have to be about color?

Ferris on June 11, 2010 at 10:45 AM

Green jobs are just the modern leftist version of “let them eat cake“.

Kohath on June 11, 2010 at 10:47 AM

When alternative energy sources succeed in efficiently producing energy in mass quantities at a price point that competes with other energy sources, the industry will create plenty of jobs, and no one will care whether they’re green, purple, polka-dotted, or striped. Right now, the best definition of a “green job” is one that taxpayers have to sink tons of green into creating with little return of green for their trouble.

Exactly. Well said, Ed.

visions on June 11, 2010 at 10:47 AM

Define “green jobs”:
Any job that has one or more of the letters G, R, E, E, N in the job title.
As in “GovERnmEnt woRkER
or “acoRN
or “uNioN“.

albill on June 11, 2010 at 10:47 AM

Define green jobs? I guess the white house doesn’t know what that is either.

Zippy_Slug on June 11, 2010 at 10:49 AM

The term “Green Jobs” is the same as “Natural” and “Organic” – merely marketing terms. Slap it on a product and idiots will not only buy it but pay through the nose for it.

lonesomecharlie on June 11, 2010 at 10:51 AM

It is a way to further the control of the Politboro in our daily lives.

kingsjester on June 11, 2010 at 10:51 AM

How about we go straight to the truth : “government waste”.

Because if it weren’t, then there would be plenty of ‘green jobs’.

tarpon on June 11, 2010 at 10:51 AM

This whole friggin’ nightmare of Capt. Kickass is turning me green ….

Jerome Horwitz on June 11, 2010 at 10:53 AM

A green job is defined as pouring money down the drain to subsidize an unsustainable pipe dream such as energizing the planet with wind turbines, solar panels and batteries.

roninacreage on June 11, 2010 at 10:54 AM

A green job is defined as pouring money down the drain to subsidize an unsustainable pipe dream such as energizing the planet with wind turbines, solar panels and batteries.

roninacreage on June 11, 2010 at 10:54 AM

Psst, you forgot ethanol.

Johnnyreb on June 11, 2010 at 10:56 AM

From Wiki, the green job definition:

A green job, also called a green-collar job is, according to the United Nations Environment Program, “work in agricultural, manufacturing, research and development (R&D), administrative, and service activities that contribute(s) substantially to preserving or restoring environmental quality.

That will be a million dollars please.

pain train on June 11, 2010 at 10:58 AM

Don’t ask me. I still don’t know what in the holy living Hell a “community organizer” is supposed to be.

Liberals are what Ayn Rand referred to as “subjectivists.” They don’t use words; they use catch-phrases. The sounds they make with their mouths don’t have definitions; they aren’t intended to communicate thoughts or information; their only purpose is to elicit feelings.

And this administration are consummate subjectivists. Liberalism has finally run its full course.

People keep saying liberals are all “liars.” But, inside their own minds, everything liberals say is subjectively true. The specific syllables are irrelevant; alll LibSpeak translates as the same thing: “The perceived concensus is good; and everyone who doubts our motives is evil.” And make no mistake, they believe that with every fiber of their being.

logis on June 11, 2010 at 10:58 AM

When he’s not moonlighting as President, Barack Obama has a full-time green job at tee time, thereby saving or creating green jobs for caddies and cart drivers.

The United Kingdom will soon create temporary, renewable, well-paid green jobs this very month, in Wimbledon.

Steve Z on June 11, 2010 at 10:59 AM

A Green Job can be the one held by a person who distributes one square of toilet paper in public restrooms. Sheryl Crowe can serve as the Czarina of this vital job. Someone else will have to monitor the videos per community for one-square-per-visit use in private homes.

Census data on number of bathrooms per domicile can increase the job-hiring necessity for broader monitoring.

The jobs created will grow exponentially!

onlineanalyst on June 11, 2010 at 11:00 AM

A “green job” is a job that accomplishes something that no private sector company would ever pay for using its own money.

Cicero43 on June 11, 2010 at 11:00 AM

From the headlines thread,

Oh wait, we here in Chicago know the answer to that question, “green jobs” is a euphamism for ghost payrollers, no-show jobs that really don’t exist and politacal cronies rake in lots of “green”. Y,know like, all that stimulous money that went to nonexistent congressional districts, sonmething that I’ve yet to see an adequate explantion of. After all, when D of L was making up numbers of jobs “saved or created”, it was reporting on money already spent, not just allocated. This is an important distinction, just who cashed those checks, where did the money go, and why has no effort been made to recover it?

Crickets.

Green jobs is nothing more than a collosal heist of the American tax payer and subsidies for green energy is nothing more than rewarding green Co’s for non-performance. A way to make green energy work on a cost effective basis has simply not been accomplished. This story ties into Cap & Trade, the EPA”s new powers and the moratorium on drilling, if you cannot compete with your rivals in the market place, simply have their business model made illegal, or impossible to comply with, through regulations. Thus you reward all your 60’s pie in the sky dreamers and friends who invested decades of their lives and cash on their failed investments.

In Chicago this has played in an interesting manner, tax breaks and subsidies for buildings that qualify for the cities green label by certification of a private Co. owned by friends of Daley. One catch though, there is no means by which to test a building as energy efficient or not in fact there is not even a set standards of what is “green”, just like at D of L, its a classic shakedown operation. You pay Daley endorsed Co. protection money no matter what, if any, efficincies you’ve put in. Buiding standards are not the issue, cronies getting the cash from a city run protection racket is.

Welcome to The Chicago Way!

Archimedes on June 11, 2010 at 11:04 AM

Do positions on Al Greene’s campaign staff count?

Blacklake on June 11, 2010 at 11:06 AM

A Green Job can be the one held by a person who distributes one square of toilet paper in public restrooms. Sheryl Crowe can serve as the Czarina of this vital job. Someone else will have to monitor the videos per community for one-square-per-visit use in private homes.

Census data on number of bathrooms per domicile can increase the job-hiring necessity for broader monitoring.

The jobs created will grow exponentially!

onlineanalyst on June 11, 2010 at 11:00 AM

Not to mention all the “green” jobs for doctors to cure the epidemics created by inadequate anal hygiene…

Steve Z on June 11, 2010 at 11:09 AM

But the notice said there is “no widely accepted standard definition of ‘green jobs.’” To help find that definition, the Labor Department asked that readers send in suggestions.

Oh, yes. Let’s expand those lists of DNC voters. This ploy is another method of “Organizing for Further Bambi-oozling.”

onlineanalyst on June 11, 2010 at 11:10 AM

That’s not going to help reverse the image of incompetence Barack Obama is manufacturing for himself at the White House these days.

Not sure anything can, at this point…

Khun Joe on June 11, 2010 at 11:15 AM

A “Greene Job” is when some unknown from South Carolina becomes a US Senator.

J_Crater on June 11, 2010 at 11:16 AM

GREEN JOBS are jobs which are capable of turning unlimited amounts of cash (‘green’) into a smelly pile of fertilizer.

landlines on June 11, 2010 at 11:17 AM

A green job is anything related to “community organizing”, paging ACORN (or whatever your calling yourself now), your check has been cut, please come to the pickup window.

Archimedes on June 11, 2010 at 11:19 AM

Ed,

You are not seeing the plain reason the question is being asked. The definition needs to be expanded beyond the obvious because it reveals a minusule scope of jobs that fit in its category. They’ve come to realize that they really can’t boost the economy with these silly kinds of jobs.

I predict that they are planning on expanding the definition so that more jobs can fit under its scope. How can I be sure I’m right? Look at the commerical markets. They’ve already done the same. It’s hard not to find any product these days that doesn’t in some way boast about being green.

So will jobs now be headed. And don’t think these green jobs can now stretch over the horizon. The new “green” jobs will include (it is not my intent to insult any of these fine professions): garbage men, police men, electrical technicians, nurses, car salesmen, ad infinitum. As long as their is the slightest link to the career being green (e.g. artists) the career can be green.

Once the job has been labeled green, the government can boast in creating any kind of green job and would be telling the truth.

shick on June 11, 2010 at 11:19 AM

That’s not going to help reverse the image of incompetence Barack Obama is manufacturing for himself at the White House these days.

These days?

Missy on June 11, 2010 at 11:26 AM

Rangel was right, O is clueless.

Kissmygrits on June 11, 2010 at 11:29 AM

And once again, the question begs to be asked…

What’s the difference between Alvin Greene and the dumbest President in history?

MNHawk on June 11, 2010 at 11:58 AM

In the course of creating products we don’t need at prices that are to high, we create work. This is innefficient. If you re-label it as a green job, it suddenly has virtue.

If you take out a hydro power dam and build wind turbine farms, you quadrupple cost of electricity but when you label it as green job creation, it becomes a good thing.

Replacing a Peterbuilt truck with 30 Rickshaws would be green job creation.

Home Depot sells insulation.

Hiring ACORN home energy auditors, union installers and beureaucrats to handle red tape is green job creation. It also makes 1,200 dollar job cost 20,000 dollars.

seven on June 11, 2010 at 12:10 PM

Did the Labor Dept ask Shore Bank and CRIME INC?

TN Mom on June 11, 2010 at 12:12 PM

I’m not really sure what a green job is, but I’m pretty sure it involves unions.

ultranaut on June 11, 2010 at 12:17 PM

I recycle my beer bottles — is that a green job?

John the Libertarian on June 11, 2010 at 12:20 PM

Hilarious, Ed. I had a state employee in the business of counting jobs call me asking for a definition. We concluded quite quickly it defied definition. This was almost a year ago.

Believe me, however, the inability to define it will not deter its use by one instance.

King Banaian on June 11, 2010 at 12:36 PM

A “green job” is a job that wouldn’t exist without government money. It’s a job that looses money, or else a private company would pay to create it because it would be profitable to them. So it’s a job that wastes the taxes paid by someone who does a real, needed job.

Socratease on June 11, 2010 at 12:51 PM

During the Depression, a “green job” was known as raking leaves.

Cicero43 on June 11, 2010 at 12:54 PM

Ergo, Obama = Wax Fruit.

Patrick S on June 11, 2010 at 10:20 AM

Remember the time Obama’s Nobel Peace prize? He flew into country, made an ok speech, less than 24 hours later, he’s gone.

And people using his life size cut-out cardboard to take pictures of themselves with our Number One Zero? Sometimes you have to ask yourself, if a cut-out cardboard Obama is really there replacing the princess chewb%&^$.

Sir Napsalot on June 11, 2010 at 1:01 PM

But the notice said there is “no widely accepted standard definition of ‘green jobs.’” To help find that definition, the Labor Department asked that readers send in suggestions.

“It’s like, this giant job, that’s green and all. ”

Can I copyright that?

Akzed on June 11, 2010 at 1:09 PM

Green job.

I paid for one of those once when I was in the Army.

BacaDog on June 11, 2010 at 1:52 PM

Criteria:

1. If your company produces energy, your jobs are “green” jobs
2. If your company uses energy, your jobs are “green” jobs
3. If anyone in your company is named “Green”, “Greene”, “Greenwood”, or any variation thereof, your jobs are “green” jobs
4. If your company is one of the ones where the Obama Administration “saved or created” jobs, your jobs are “green” jobs
5. And for any jobs that are not “green” jobs, it’s Bush’s fault.

olesparkie on June 11, 2010 at 2:02 PM

Lawn care/landscaping?

Lets go the other direction:

Green job: Any job that does not produce/release greenhouse gasses. Since humans release C02 as a by-product of their existence, no job performed by humans is green

BobMbx on June 11, 2010 at 2:35 PM

That’s not going to help reverse the image of incompetence Barack Obama is manufacturing for himself at the White House these days.

Resident KickAss

Schadenfreude on June 11, 2010 at 3:00 PM

Schadenfreude on June 11, 2010 at 3:00 PM

Shouldn’t that REALLY be: “Resident KissAss” ?

LegendHasIt on June 11, 2010 at 4:26 PM

They’re jobs that require no resources-nor competence, actually go against the law of conservation of energy and create more energy output than input (because it is The One’s will…Praise Barack), and will, oddly enough, make it so that our energy bills will necessarily skyrocket.

Pretty simple really you wingnuts.

Dr. ZhivBlago on June 11, 2010 at 7:59 PM

IMAO a “green job” is a job that pays be spendable folding green slips of paper.

{^_^}

herself on June 12, 2010 at 12:02 PM

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