Too good to check: Saudis to let Israel use their air space to attack Iran?

posted at 10:14 pm on June 11, 2010 by Allahpundit

This claim bubbles up from time to time — remember this iteration from last July, or this one from last September? — but the repetition doesn’t make it any less fun.

In the week that the UN Security Council imposed a new round of sanctions on Tehran, defence sources in the Gulf say that Riyadh has agreed to allow Israel to use a narrow corridor of its airspace in the north of the country to shorten the distance for a bombing run on Iran. To ensure the Israeli bombers pass unmolested, Riyadh has carried out tests to make certain its own jets are not scrambled and missile defence systems not activated. Once the Israelis are through, the kingdom’s air defences will return to full alert.

“The Saudis have given their permission for the Israelis to pass over and they will look the other way,” said a US defence source in the area. “They have already done tests to make sure their own jets aren’t scrambled and no one gets shot down. This has all been done with the agreement of the [US] State Department.”

Sources in Saudi Arabia say it is common knowledge within defence circles in the kingdom that an arrangement is in place if Israel decides to launch the raid. Despite the tension between the two governments, they share a mutual loathing of the regime in Tehran and a common fear of Iran’s nuclear ambitions. “We all know this. We will let them [the Israelis] through and see nothing,” said one…

Questioned on the option of a Saudi flight path for Israeli bombers, Aharaon Zeevi Farkash, who headed military intelligence until 2006 and has been involved in war games simulating a strike on Iran, said: “I know that Saudi Arabia is even more afraid than Israel of an Iranian nuclear capacity.”

It’s Middle Eastern politics in microcosm. For all the Wahhabist invective towards al-Yahud, the Saudis are more afraid of being nuked by Iran in some insane Sunni/Shiite armaggedon than by Israel, and rightly so. So, just as the local Arab regimes demagogue Israeli nukes for show while worrying privately about Tehran, the Kingdom might lend the IAF some airspace and then lamely pretend afterwards that the incursion was unwanted. Question, though: Will anyone seriously believe their denial that they were involved? It probably won’t spare them some sort of Iranian reprisal, either overt or covert (via Hezbollah or a Quds Force operation inside S.A.), and it’s bound to draw the ire of the many Jew-hating fanatics in their clerical class. The only reason to deny, I assume, is to deprive Iran of a confession it could use to pressure other local Muslim regimes into isolating the Saudis as punishment — although even there, how likely it is that Sunni leaders will side with the great Shiite menace against Riyadh?


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I’m OK with this.

Good Lt on June 11, 2010 at 10:16 PM

more like “too impossible to be true”….

Richard Bushnell on June 11, 2010 at 10:18 PM

Yeah, but Obama’s man said that he would shoot down the Israelis. The question now is, would he shoot them down over Saudi airspace?

/sarc

MJBrutus on June 11, 2010 at 10:19 PM

I knew it. When they hit Syria and there was no squealing you knew that others were counting on Israel. How stupid is The Won going to look when the Saudis, Egypt and the like rescue Israel from under his bus.

Cindy Munford on June 11, 2010 at 10:19 PM

Israel to do other countries dirty work again.

How pathetic that we’ve abandoned this ally.

aquaviva on June 11, 2010 at 10:21 PM

I’m OK with this.

Good Lt on June 11, 2010 at 10:16 PM

…yet still skeptical and a mite nervous. (I am, that is.)

Bee on June 11, 2010 at 10:21 PM

Shia = Iran

Wahabbi = Saudi Arabia

The Shia and the Wahabis don’t like each other.

Therefore, the rationale behind this is the timeless saying…..”The enemy of my enemy is my friend.”

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on June 11, 2010 at 10:21 PM

What are you trying to say Allah, that the Saudis are more pro-Israel than the Obami. Heh.

Lance Murdock on June 11, 2010 at 10:24 PM

It’s a good thing that Obowma stopped all of our off-shore oil drilling that he has such a strong hand against the Saudis, and will make them pay for this insolence…

Oh, wait!

Seven Percent Solution on June 11, 2010 at 10:25 PM

Who can prove they flew over Saudi airspace.
It’s plausible denyability.

the_nile on June 11, 2010 at 10:27 PM

What proof after the fact would there be that the Israelis crossed Saudi territory? Couldn’t they just claim that another route was taken? It might be implausible given the distance they would have to fly to avoid any Arab territory, but it’s no more a lame explanation than the Saudis saying the Israelis violated their airspace without them knowing.

Mark1971 on June 11, 2010 at 10:27 PM

If you were Israel, could you trust the Saudis to reopen the airspace on the way back home? But the Iran threat is considered greater, so this is just the escape hatch for the Saudis. “See, once we knew they were there we stopped them. Yes, yes, the bomb blast in Iran alerted us,… but not before!”

AnotherOpinion on June 11, 2010 at 10:27 PM

The Saudi’s are scared snotless over Iran. At one time they felt the same about Iraq and now we have a military presense in their country.

Hog Wild on June 11, 2010 at 10:28 PM

Highly plausible. The only strategic explanation of Iran’s interest in Israel would be a place for its navy to do business in the Mediterranean. But then that would also imply something bigger. A buffer or protection of some badly needed resources…say like refined oil, for instance. Saudi Arabia takes care of both.

anuts on June 11, 2010 at 10:29 PM

Why don’t the Saudis do the dirty work of stopping Iran’s nuclear program? They have an Air Force and are closer. I guess because of the fanatics they have in their kingdom and for that matter those around the world that would renew their determination to end the monarchy entrenched with the West. Sorry for answering my own question.

milemarker2020 on June 11, 2010 at 10:29 PM

If you were Israel, could you trust the Saudis to reopen the airspace on the way back home?

That’s another reason why nobody would believe the Saudis. It would require all those Israeli planes to fly over Saudi Arabia undetected not once, but twice. The second time being after the entire world knows they attacked Iran, meaning the Saudis would know they were coming back.

Mark1971 on June 11, 2010 at 10:32 PM

Nuke Saudi? More likely the Saudis fear loss of Sunni (thus Saudi) supremacy to Shia supremacy in the Muslim world. Iran has already turned many Sunnis to its bidding. (Hamas, Hezbullah) The Shia tend to be more overt with violence in their Jihad than the stealthy Sunnis. And maybe a Shia nuke is what will wake up the 12th Imam which would totally put egg on Sunni faces. Yeah the Saudi golden ones are nervous, but about relevance not radiation.

BL@KBIRD on June 11, 2010 at 10:33 PM

What does Mika’s daddy have to say now ?

macncheez on June 11, 2010 at 10:35 PM

One would think that a huge mushroom cloud over Iran would distract just about everyone as to whom is flying over whom on the way back home…

… just sayin’.

Seven Percent Solution on June 11, 2010 at 10:35 PM

No surprise there. The Saudis want the Iranians to have nukes even less than the Israelis do.

Allowing the Iranians to use their air space, and then issue some bull condemnation (read: angry letter) later, permits the House of Saud to remove the Iranian nuke threat without having to take the blame.

amerpundit on June 11, 2010 at 10:36 PM

If you were Israel, could you trust the Saudis to reopen the airspace on the way back home?

The Saudi’s couldn’t stop them if they tried.

Hog Wild on June 11, 2010 at 10:36 PM

It’s entirely possible that Israel can trade intelligence–independently gathered intelligence that the Saudi royals trust–about what’s going on politically inside Saudi Arabia, for the privilege of using the airspace. The royals are probably afraid that when the radical insurrection comes, they’ll be the last to hear about it.

RBMN on June 11, 2010 at 10:38 PM

This is indeed a rather old story, but from understanding, very true. Let me explain, I have an elderly family memeber who takes 2, 3mo excursions (visa’s are limited to 90 days, she goes, fly to Cyprus, or Istanbul, and back and gets another 90 days) and runs in a rather storied crowd when she is there. Original members of Hagganah, Irgun and the Stern Gang, such company is accorded inestimable reverence in Isreali politics. Over the years, and still, she is in contact frequently with Bibi and members of the intel and defense establishment that the above mentioned founded. From our conversations fly over priviledges have been granted since 3yrs ago, now that that seems ever more likely, practicle applications have been tested and implemented.

With the publicly acknowledged deployment of 3 nuke cruise missle/tac nuke capable subs deployed the Persian Gulf, I’d say that the time we awake and find that Israel has committed an act of war against Iran is not very far off.

Sh*t is about to hit the proverbial fan folks, had the IDF any confidence in the current administration, this may have been avoided. Now, not so much.

Gird your loins!

Archimedes on June 11, 2010 at 10:38 PM

Whoever controls the Kaaba, controls islam
Saudis won’t give up their control

nevah nevah nevah

macncheez on June 11, 2010 at 10:39 PM

I have said before that. The Sunni hate the Shiite almost as much as the Jews, and trust them a lot less.

This might be the Saudis trying to blame Israel for there own actions.

Slowburn on June 11, 2010 at 10:39 PM

Whoever controls the Kaaba, controls islam
Saudis won’t give up their control

nevah nevah nevah

macncheez on June 11, 2010 at 10:39 PM

I think it is petrodollars supporting Wahhabism rather than Saudi control of the Kaaba which allows Saudi fundamentalism to spread.

lexhamfox on June 11, 2010 at 10:47 PM

Strange bedfellows…

JimRich on June 11, 2010 at 10:50 PM

Heh…oops.

JimRich on June 11, 2010 at 10:51 PM

Damn, obvious typo’s and omissions, of course her excursions are to Isreal and for those not familiar the 3 groups mentioned are the groups that initiated the uprising (some would say terrorism, PM Begin sent the 1st recorded “mail bomb”) against the British, originally and against the war against arabs in ’48. Those ranks are what Isreali gov’ts, IDF and Mossad/Shin Bet were run by at its inception.

Sorry for the lack of clarification.

Archimedes on June 11, 2010 at 10:53 PM

Well this make perfect sense. Israel neighbors Jordan. Jordon neighbors Iraq. Iraq neighbors Iran.
One step closer to home. -Helen Thomas

(Not very efficient, but do-able)

Electrongod on June 11, 2010 at 10:54 PM

Strange bedfellows…

JimRich on June 11, 2010 at 10:50 PM

Not so strange really, posturing aside, both Sunni & Shia have always recognized eachother as the ultimate entity, vying for supremacy in the doctirnal war against those who disparaged Mohammed is the each “gains face” in the Islamic world. But this just mostly for show in the battle for the “hearts and minds” of their own repressed peoples.

For a fuller understanding, I highly reccommend the book, The Strong Horse.

Archimedes on June 11, 2010 at 11:00 PM

the Saudis are more afraid of being nuked by Iran in some insane Sunni/Shiite armaggedon than by Israel,

True. We’ll know when Iran has completeds building a nuclear weapon when it detonates in Riyadh. Iran doesn’t want to tangle with Israel. They’re trying to start a fight between Israel and anyone dumb enough to try e.g. Turkey.

No, Irans’ main target is the Saudi family.

BobMbx on June 11, 2010 at 11:02 PM

3 scotches down and everthing is going to h*ll, “Not so strange really, posturing aside, both Sunni & Shia have always recognized eachother as the ultimate enemy

Preview man, just freakin preview, when will I ever learn.

Archimedes on June 11, 2010 at 11:03 PM

Why is this so implausible? Go read your histories folks – Osirik reactor strike.

You think they used a teleporter to get there?

Wind Rider on June 11, 2010 at 11:08 PM

The Saudi’s couldn’t stop them if they tried.

Hog Wild on June 11, 2010 at 10:36 PM

Perhaps not, but they could sure as hell slow them down.

Seriously, do you know anything at all about the Saudi air force? 150 F-15s (delivered in the early- and mid-1990′s), 134 Tornados, and they’re in the process of purchasing 72 Eurofighters. S.A. also has some fairly decent SAMs and five E-3 AWACS. Aircrew quality isn’t up to U.S. standards, but in the international community the Saudi pilots are considered quite respectable.

Don’t laugh them off. I’m sure the Israelis don’t.

Splashman on June 11, 2010 at 11:18 PM

Why is this so implausible? Go read your histories folks – Osirik reactor strike.

You think they used a teleporter to get there?

Wind Rider on June 11, 2010 at 11:08 PM

Check your map dude…

http://www.lizardpoint.com/fun/geoquiz/mideastquiz.html

… to get to Isirik, they had no need to cross Saudi air space, they got clearance from Abdullah Ito cross Jordanian air space. Contrary to common perception, Jordans pre-eminent enemy is the so-called Palestinians who tried to overthrow the King in the early ’70s and make up the bulk of their population. Despite sound-biites for public consumption, Jordan & Israel havine the longest standing ties in the region. The Hashemite King, Abdullah II is actually the only by birthright legitimate heir to Mohammed, which he and his father shunned.

FYI.

Archimedes on June 11, 2010 at 11:22 PM

Israel used classic tactics in the 1976 Entebbe rescue…flew below radar (with C130s) at something like 75 feet above sea level all the way from Israel to the middle of Africa.

They also got the OK from a country close to Uganda to land there if necessary.

Del Dolemonte on June 11, 2010 at 11:26 PM

You think they used a teleporter to get there?

Wind Rider on June 11, 2010 at 11:08 PM

I’m sure you’re aware that compared with Osirak, strikes on Iran pose a number of additional challenges. For instance: number of targets, distance to targets, quality and quantity of air defenses, and alertness of air defenses.

I’m not saying it can’t be done. But it’s facetious to say “they did it once, they can do it again.”

Splashman on June 11, 2010 at 11:30 PM

Helen Thomas has a word for Arabs who fear Iran: Pu$$ies!!!

abobo on June 11, 2010 at 11:34 PM

Now, if the Jews were really as cunning as all the Mohammedans claim, they’d nuke Saudi Arabia, first, blame it in Iran, then nuke Iran in “retaliation”.

Two scum, one trick.

Theoretically wargaming only, of course.

profitsbeard on June 11, 2010 at 11:46 PM

Seriously, do you know anything at all about the Saudi air force? 150 F-15s (delivered in the early- and mid-1990’s), 134 Tornados, and they’re in the process of purchasing 72 Eurofighters. S.A. also has some fairly decent SAMs and five E-3 AWACS. Aircrew quality isn’t up to U.S. standards, but in the international community the Saudi pilots are considered quite respectable.

Don’t laugh them off. I’m sure the Israelis don’t.

Splashman on June 11, 2010 at 11:18 PM

IIRC, a lot of Saudi airmen are trained here in the US. The Saudi force is small, but definetely something to think about in a hot war.

For those who are worried that the Saudis will slow or altogether stop the Israelis from returning over Saudi airspace, think for a second: if no-names like us think of that possibility, do you believe the Israelis haven’t? I’ll bet the rent that a “return trip” plan was hatched by both countries, and the Israelis have a plan ‘B’ to back that
up. I would be more worried about the Saudis backing out in the first place.

BillH on June 11, 2010 at 11:48 PM

BillH on June 11, 2010 at 11:48 PM

I agree, the Israelis will game out all the possibilities and plan for them accordingly. I was responding to someone who dismissed the Saudis outright, which is stupid, and the Israelis aren’t stupid.

If the Israelis do it (and I’m not going to be either way), my guess is that due to fuel constraints they’ll ignore national boundaries and basically dare everyone to get in their way. They must know that international condemnation is a given no matter how they go about it, so they might as well take the shortest route. The Jordanians can be ignored, and the Iraqi/American forces won’t actually shoot down an Israeli plane. It’s possible to avoid Saudi territory completely.

Splashman on June 12, 2010 at 12:18 AM

Whoops, my parenthetical was supposed to be “I’m not going to bet either way”.

Splashman on June 12, 2010 at 12:19 AM

What a world we live in these days.

Saudi is letting Israel use its airspace against Iranian nukes while the US is doing its best to help Iran get nukes.

angryed on June 12, 2010 at 12:28 AM

If this is true and Israel has the Saudi’s permission to use their air space, Israel should not be quiet in the aftermath when the Saudi’s protest Israel’s incursion. This underhanded game needs to stop and the relationship between Israel and Saudia Arabia should be based on openness and above board politics. These cat and mouse games need to stop so the region can get beyond the current situation and possibly a relationship of mutual trust and understanding might become the order of the day.

devolvingtowardsidiocracy on June 12, 2010 at 12:29 AM

f you were Israel, could you trust the Saudis to reopen the airspace on the way back home?

They wouldn’t have to. The issue is speed of getting from Israel to Iran. Once the deed is done, there isn’t the same urgency to get back to Israel. And even if they do go back over Saudi airspace and the Saudis attack, again, it doesn’t matter as much since the objective will have been met (hopefully). Sure Israel may lose a plane or two, but that matters a lot less at the end of the mission than at the begining.

angryed on June 12, 2010 at 12:35 AM

If Israel does do something about Iran, we won’t be waking up headlines reading “Israel Strikes Iran!” What we will see will be “Something Happened in Iran! Details Sketchy!” and over the next six-seven weeks, news will dribble out to the effect that Iran really did have a bomb program that someone, somewhere, managed to screw up in a glorious manner, and while suspicion naturally rests on the Israelis, nobody can actually prove anything. Aside from the fact that Iran’s air defense sucks, that is.

Unfortunately, we’re probably at a point where a simple air strike isn’t going to take out the Iranian nuclear program, and the Israelis are in absolutely no position to do a ground assault, which means the Saudis are SOL if they think that Israel is going to solve its Iran problem for it.

Voyager on June 12, 2010 at 1:09 AM

And in a related story, America’s Jew-hating anti-Semite-in-chief says that he may consider having American pilots fire on Israeli that attempt to fly over American-held territories (like Iraq) en route Iran for the purpose of bombing.

Hey, maybe the Dalai Obama’s the 12th Mahdi?

Virus-X on June 12, 2010 at 1:31 AM

This is typical of the Saudis—they’re too damn lazy to do their own work or their own fighting; they prefer to have someone else do the heavy lifting and killing while they sit on their fat asses and fund global terrorism.

SilentWatcher on June 12, 2010 at 1:35 AM

Why would Israel even think about this? Befriend one terrorist regime in order to attack another one? That’s what we in the U.S. have been doing for years and we see how well that friendship w/ the Saudi terror regime has worked out for us! DON’T DO IT ISRAEL!

RightXBrigade on June 12, 2010 at 3:56 AM

Archimedes on June 11, 2010 at 11:22 PM

True, a direct lin epath doesn’t involve Saudi airspace, but if you check, it was used during the raid.

Wind Rider on June 12, 2010 at 6:26 AM

But can they fly over Iraq?

rob verdi on June 12, 2010 at 6:45 AM

I don’t get it? They want Hamas to keep attacking Israel – as in destroying the blockade, but they want Israel to attack Iran for them? What’s in it for Israel? Who doesn’t get to play, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Israel doesn’t have any friends in the middle east.

This sounds like the U.S. is going to be left out of the loop….because we aren’t considered a reliable ally by any of the players?

Dr Evil on June 12, 2010 at 8:12 AM

If Israel does do something about Iran, we won’t be waking up headlines reading “Israel Strikes Iran!” What we will see will be “Something Happened in Iran! Details Sketchy!”

We know the headline won’t mention Islam, Muslim, Terror, or Jihad. How about… “Man-made disaster fighters fight potential man-made disaster causers.”

Mojave Mark on June 12, 2010 at 9:05 AM

Interesting but not necessarily surprising. The Saudis as well as the rest of the Sunni world fear the Iranians a lot more than they do Israel. As for Obambi – he will kick and scream and make a fuss, but do NOTHING, he can’t afford to politically. There are a lot of jewish people that vote consistently Democrat and he cannot risk losing that vote (for himself or members of congress) by coming to the aid of Iran. So, because of political reasons, which Bibi is WELL aware of, he knows he can pretty much ignore the toddler temper tantrums that will come from the White House. This is why I could not have been more thrilled at Bibi being elected PM – he knows how American politics works, and can basically tell Obama to shove it and while the WH will respond like unhappy children, there is little they can actually do about it.

Govgirl on June 12, 2010 at 9:14 AM

The Bulls#$t in the Middle-East is so high you need wings to stay above it.

RobCon on June 12, 2010 at 9:17 AM

It would be the ultimate irony if the Saudis let Israel fly over but Obama denies it over Iraq.

RobCon on June 12, 2010 at 9:19 AM

It would be the ultimate irony if the Saudis let Israel fly over but Obama denies it over Iraq.

RobCon on June 12, 2010 at 9:19 AM

Never happen – again, see my post on the political implications. It is an ELECTION year, and Obama is going to have a hard enough time holding seats. Not to mention, every time he screws up on Israel, Mike Pence is all over his tail about it. The last thing Obama needs in addition to looking weak is to have people able to say that he AIDED the Iranians.

Govgirl on June 12, 2010 at 9:23 AM

These cat and mouse games need to stop so the region can get beyond the current situation and possibly a relationship of mutual trust and understanding might become the order of the day.

devolvingtowardsidiocracy on June 12, 2010 at 12:29 AM

You are absolutely correct, and you are also a hopeless optimist. Or are you just kidding?

International relations in the Middle East (and many other regions) are completely built on handshakes, smiles, misdirection, and deception.

‘Twas ever thus.

ZenDraken on June 12, 2010 at 9:30 AM

Turkey’s recent anti-Israel provocations could be an effort to preempt anyone else in the competition for regional Muslim supremacy, should Israel hobble Iran. (Turkey has hedged its bet by shielding Iran from tougher sanctions.) If Turkey waits until the dust settles someone else may box her out.

Seth Halpern on June 12, 2010 at 9:30 AM

It would be the ultimate irony if the Saudis let Israel fly over but Obama denies it over Iraq.

RobCon on June 12, 2010 at 9:19 AM

No, I think it is the most likely scenario. I seem to remember Obowmao saying something about extending a hand to enemies and the finger to allies.

Laura in Maryland on June 12, 2010 at 9:59 AM

Prince warns S. Arabia of apocalypse

Saudi Prince Turki bin Abdul Aziz Al Saud has warned the country’s royal family to step down and flee before a military coup or a popular uprising overthrows the kingdom.

In a letter published by Wagze news agency on Tuesday, the Cairo-based prince warned Saudi Arabia’s ruling family of a fate similar to that of Iraq’s executed dictator Saddam Hussein and the ousted Iranian Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, calling on them to escape before people “cut off our heads in streets.”

He warned that the Saudi royal family is no longer able to “impose” itself on people, arguing that deviations in carrying out the religious concepts that make up the basis of the Saudi government “have gotten out of our hands,” so that the opposition views our acts as “interfering in people’s private life and restricting their liberties.”

“If we are wise, we must leave this country to its people, whose dislike for us is increasing,” said Prince Turki, advising Saudi officials to escape with their families.

“Do it today before tomorrow as long as the money we have is enough for us to live anywhere in the world; from Switzerland to Canada and Australia…we should not return as long as we are able to get out safely, we must take our families quickly and pull out,” he urged.

“Do not fool yourself by relying on the United States or Britain or Israel, because they will not survive the loss; the only door open is now the exit door of no return. Let us go before it closes.”

He finally warned against a military coup against the ruling family, saying “no one will attack us from outside but our armed forces will attack us.”

Prince Turki is a member of the liberal Free Princes movement founded in the 1950s amid tensions between King Faisal and his brother King Saud, requesting the Saudi authorities to implement political reforms and set out a constitution.

The late King Faisal expelled members of the civil rights group to Egypt but later on pardoned them.

Consider 1979′s Seige of Mecca

On November 20, 1979, worldwide attention was focused on Tehran, where the Iranian hostage crisis was entering its third week. The same morning—the first of a new Muslim century—hundreds of gunmen stunned the world by seizing Islam’s holiest shrine, the Grand Mosque in Mecca. Armed with rifles that they had smuggled inside coffins, these men came from more than a dozen countries, launching the first operation of global jihad in modern times. Led by a Saudi preacher named Juhayman al Uteybi, they believed that the Saudi royal family had become a craven servant of American infidels, and sought a return to the glory of uncompromising Islam.

Brookings Institute:

Uteybi was especially inspired by one student at the University of Riyadh, Mohammed Abdullah al-Qahtani. Uteybi started to believe, like many others, that Qahtani was destined to become the Mahdi. According to Islamic scripture, the Mahdi—a messiah—would come to earth to redeem the world at the end of the days. The young student seemed to fit the many characteristics of the Mahdi, and it was reported that many people were having dreams and visions that he would rescue the Islamic world. The Saudi authorities grew quite alarmed by these statements and launched a massive arrest in 1978. Many of the members of the movement supporting Qahtani were taken into custody. However, the Saudi government believed that the group would not spread harm to the kingdom and ultimately released Qahtani and others. On November 20, the rebels were able to smuggle their weapons into the Grand Mosque by hiding them in coffins and driving three trucks of weapons into the basement. Once the mosque had been conquered, the rebels urged the worlds’ Muslims to rise up and confront the infidels.

Twenty-first century ‘duelling Mahdis’ struggling for triumphalist rights to kabbah and global caliph recognition?

heroyalwhyness on June 12, 2010 at 10:33 AM

The KSA strategy can be summed up simply: ‘Let’s you and him fight.’

It can work out pretty well, if you can keep out of the line of fire.

ajacksonian on June 12, 2010 at 10:38 AM

Twenty-first century ‘duelling Mahdis’ struggling for triumphalist rights to kabbah and global caliph recognition?

heroyalwhyness on June 12, 2010 at 10:33 AM

The obligatory, sardonic, rhetorical question: What could go wrong?

Disturb the Universe on June 12, 2010 at 10:44 AM

It would be the ultimate irony if the Saudis let Israel fly over but Obama denies it over Iraq.

RobCon on June 12, 2010 at 9:19 AM

Never happen – again, see my post on the political implications. It is an ELECTION year, and Obama is going to have a hard enough time holding seats. Not to mention, every time he screws up on Israel, Mike Pence is all over his tail about it. The last thing Obama needs in addition to looking weak is to have people able to say that he AIDED the Iranians.

Govgirl on June 12, 2010 at 9:23 AM

If this was Bill Clinton as President, I would agree with your thoughts Govgirl. However, we seem to have a President who at every turn does things which suggest he does not give a farthing about an election. Of any kind. He has said he would not care if he was a one term President, and everything from taking over GM, Chrysler, health care, amnesty, the economy, the military, the oil spill, and religions seem to be in direct opposite to the opinions and wishes of the American people. Look at his approval ratings at Rassmussen. He is overall at -11 or more depending on his latest epic failure, and yet he keeps pushing and pushing and pushing things farther and farther to the Left.

Besides, as he likes to say, “I won”. He and this insane Congress have all the control and all the power. This is particularly true when you look at the power he may have over having amnesty granted. I believe he has no fear of rejecting Israel because Obama thinks there will be no re-election threat with amnesty being performed by either Congress or the DHS. Sort of like how the EPA is carrying out the Cap and Trade.

To date, both prior to the coronation, and afterwards, Obama has not walked back one nanometer of hatred for Israel. Not one. It would seem there is not an ideology at play here with Israel, but rather an emotion of sheer hatred. More recent examples would be the Cairo speech and the televised excerpts from his meeting with Abbas. Not to mention the announcement we are sending an additional $400 million in aid to Palestine. These are not the actions of a President who will lift a finger to do anything pro-Israel.

On the other hand Govgirl, I sure hope you are right in that he gives the okay for Israel, and does not try any kick ass moves. Mike Pence deserves huge kudos for staying “on his tail”. All of the GOP in unison need to be on Obama’s ass for this.

freeus on June 12, 2010 at 11:42 AM

What a con.

This story is a running dog.

There has to be a secret arrangement with the Turks. Under no circumstances do the Turks want the Persians to get the Bomb and the means to deliver it.

Trust me: IAF still overflies Turkey or launches from there. Then they come home from “Saudi Arabia” (Diego Garcia).

victor82 on June 12, 2010 at 12:07 PM

I guess the Saudis really want to get rid of bin Laden.

Urban Infidel on June 12, 2010 at 12:11 PM

Aircrew quality isn’t up to U.S. standards, but in the international community the Saudi pilots are considered quite respectable.

Saudi pilots are actually quite pathetic. Maybe 1 out of 10, or maybe 1 out of 20 Saudi F-15 pilots, is an actual “fighter pilot”. The Saudi AF is more of a aero club for well connected Saudis and then Royals.

firepilot on June 12, 2010 at 12:30 PM

Surely this was leaked by the US State Department and I wouldn’t put a dime on it’s truthfulness. Sounds like another diversionary tactic that -like all the others- won’t deter the Iranians one iota.

BKeyser on June 12, 2010 at 12:32 PM

What proof after the fact would there be that the Israelis crossed Saudi territory? Couldn’t they just claim that another route was taken? Mark1971 on June 11, 2010 at 10:27 PM

Like what, through Iraq or Turkey? The planes will show up on Iranian radar crossing the border at whatever point they cross. If they fly over Iraq we’re complicit, if they fly over Turkey, then NATO’s involved. This is he only alternative.

Akzed on June 12, 2010 at 1:06 PM

Actually, the recent events in the Middle East fit very well into Biblical prophecy. We are seeing Revelation unveiling before our eyes. And very fast.
Voter from WA State on June 12, 2010 at 11:08 AM

Please stop. Plese please just stop with that crap.

Akzed on June 12, 2010 at 1:07 PM

Why don’t the Saudis do the dirty work of stopping Iran’s nuclear program? They have an Air Force and are closer. I guess because of the fanatics they have in their kingdom and for that matter those around the world that would renew their determination to end the monarchy entrenched with the West. Sorry for answering my own question.

milemarker2020 on June 11, 2010 at 10:29 PM

Because they can’t fly worth crap. During Desert Storm, their pilot had to have his hand held by Americans to get the one plane shot down.

Everytime I talk to a pilot in the community that has trained over there or had one come here, he just is amazed they can handle a plane, let alone fight.

Tim Burton on June 12, 2010 at 1:11 PM

It’s worth pointing out that allowing the Israeli Jews to cross Arabia, the Arabia Mohammed said should be only for Muslims, is perfectly consistent with Islam, which allows anything which furthers the faith. Expedience is the central tenet of Islam, established by Mohammed when he allowed some raiding of enemy caravans during the holy days as long as he got his cut of the loot. And, of course, the Saudi Arab Wahhabis consider the Persian Arab Shi’a as heretics, not Muslims at all.

As the Saudi Sep 11 attacks show, the Saudis are capable of anything. They have no loyalty to anything but themselves.

Tantor on June 12, 2010 at 3:22 PM

uke Saudi? More likely the Saudis fear loss of Sunni (thus Saudi) supremacy to Shia supremacy in the Muslim world. Iran has already turned many Sunnis to its bidding. (Hamas, Hezbullah) The Shia tend to be more overt with violence in their Jihad than the stealthy Sunnis. And maybe a Shia nuke is what will wake up the 12th Imam which would totally put egg on Sunni faces. Yeah the Saudi golden ones are nervous, but about relevance not radiation.

BL@KBIRD on June 11, 2010 at 10:33 PM

You are right about this. I think it is about their kingdom too.

wi farmgirl on June 12, 2010 at 10:25 PM

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2009/03/16/2003438571

Maybe they are afraid they won’t be able to hold on to their reign.

wi farmgirl on June 12, 2010 at 10:40 PM

The Saudi route is sub-optimal for this operation. Too much exposure in iffy airspace: the attack force has to either cross Iraq or cross Kuwait and the Gulf. Either way, US-manned radar tracks it all the way, and US fighters can launch at US discretion, from Kuwait, Qatar, or an aircraft carrier. Once inside Iran, the targets are all a long way away; mission refueling will be essential, but orbiting a tanker in Saudi airspace is dicey unless the whole shooting match has full prior approval from Riyadh, Amman, and Washington.

Unfortunately, the route across Turkey would have been the best one — executable without certainty of US approval, better approach axis to the main targets — but that’s OBE at this point. If I’m Israel, I’m figuring out how to take down as much as possible with cruise missiles and special forces.

J.E. Dyer on June 13, 2010 at 1:00 AM

wi farmgirl on June 12, 2010 at 10:40 PM
Tantor on June 12, 2010 at 3:22 PM
firepilot on June 12, 2010 at 12:30 PM

I try hard to hate Arabs and Iranians but I can’t.

Many cultures have issues with anything having more than three moving parts. If we had servants doing everything for us, we would have issues, too.

The Saudis have a polo event now. Mercedes Cup.

The Iranians have a weird government. But at least they have a hankering to destroy people they id as their enemy.

I think of a certain superpower which has just spent a trillion dollars freeing 1% of the worlds population (according to a lib) and is looking pretty foolish in trying to keep a certain lot of nut jobs from getting a bomb. This is while the same superpower is led by a third rate legislator who just spent nearly a trillion to create no jobs but pay a lot of folks off.

IlikedAUH2O on June 13, 2010 at 5:31 AM

We need a three party trade.

First, we buy 8,000 square miles from Mexico. Well, just tie it up with an option first. They have 760,000 or so. From our border south would be nice.

Then we get a price from all the nations who want Israel to move out for their 8,000 sq. miles.

Then we pay off our debt with the difference.

I know people who have gotten mighty rich with stunts like this. Elect me Prez.

IlikedAUH2O on June 13, 2010 at 5:47 AM

We need a three party trade.

First, we buy 8,000 square miles from Mexico. Well, just tie it up with an option first. They have 760,000 or so. From our border south would be nice.

Then we get a price from all the nations who want Israel to move out for their 8,000 sq. miles.

Then we pay off our debt with the difference.

I know people who have gotten mighty rich with stunts like this. Elect me Prez.

IlikedAUH2O on June 13, 2010 at 5:47 AM

Stranger things have happened in the world. But Israel just hit the mother load with a natural gas strike, they aren’t giving that up for anything.

wi farmgirl on June 13, 2010 at 8:22 AM

macncheez on June 11, 2010 at 10:39 PM

Hey Mac ! I clicked on your screen name, and saw a pic of a horse running with no torso ! What’s up with that ?? :)

cableguy615 on June 13, 2010 at 3:39 PM