Bill Kristol: Obama planning to join UN call for international probe of flotilla raid; Update: Corroboration?

posted at 8:11 pm on June 11, 2010 by Allahpundit

An international probe, of course, would start from the premise that Israel is guilty and proceed immediately to the question of just how guilty they are. Even so, and with no disrespect to BK, I’m skeptical.

THE WEEKLY STANDARD has learned that senior Obama administration officials have been telling foreign governments that the administration intends to support an effort next week at the United Nations to set up an independent commission, under UN auspices, to investigate Israel’s behavior in the Gaza flotilla incident. The White House has apparently shrugged off concerns from elsewhere in the U.S. government that a) this is an extraordinary singling out of Israel, since all kinds of much worse incidents happen around the world without spurring UN investigations; b) that the investigation will be one-sided, focusing entirely on Israeli behavior and not on Turkey or on Hamas; and c) that this sets a terrible precedent for outside investigations of incidents involving U.S. troops or intelligence operatives as we conduct our own war on terror.

The alternative is an Israeli probe that would include an international component, which the administration’s already said it supports. When asked about Kristol’s claim, the White House admantly denied it:

A White House official told multiple reporters, “We’ve said from the beginning that we support an Israeli-led investigation into the flotilla incident that is prompt, credible, impartial, and transparent. We are open to different ways of ensuring the credibility of this Israeli-led investigation, including international participation.”

The official also said, “We know of no resolution that will be debated at the U.N. on the flotilla investigation next week.”…

While it’s true there is no specific resolution expected, sources close to the issue say, what pro-Israel leaders like Kristol are worried about are continuing calls for tougher measures against Israel, such as the vote in the Human Rights Council, and whether or not the administration will really oppose them with vigor.

Follow the link and you’ll find an unusual letter to Obama jointly written by Mitch McConnell and Harry Reid calling on him to oppose any attempts at the UN to isolate Israel. That’s why I’m skeptical: There’d be plenty of enthusiasm among the lefty base for something like that, but top congressional Democrats are careful to make their support of Israel widely and vocally known. And it’s not all a pose either. Remember, even Pelosi’s Democratic-controlled House rejected the results of the Goldstone Report by an overwhelming margin. And witness the pushback that Obama’s getting in Congress from both sides of the aisle on watering down unilateral sanctions against Iran lest we irritate our Russian and Chinese “partners in peace.” There are Democrats who understand the stakes in the Middle East, in which case what does The One gain politically by supporting a UN show trial backed by degenerates like this guy? It’ll alienate some Dems and hand the GOP a useful talking point for the midterms. The only reason to do it would be to, ahem, “improve our standing in the Muslim world,” but that’s already pretty well shot and the damage it would do to our relations with Israel would push The One’s dream of a two-state solution that much further away.

I think Jennifer Rubin’s right that Kristol’s report comes from a source floating a trial balloon, either a righty who’s worried that the White House might move in this direction and wants to kick up a fuss now to warn them off or a lefty who thinks it’s a super-keen idea and wants to see the reception it’ll get. (Although in that case, why would it have been leaked to Kristol?) Better for The One to stay the course that he’s currently on: Kinda sorta on Israel’s side, but with the occasional bribe to the Palestinians and public declaration that the blockade is “unsustainable.” That’s the best you’re going to do from him. Unfortunately.

Update: Just got an interesting e-mail from a trustworthy source and regular HA reader:

Sources of mine who are in positions to know confirmed that they’ve heard the same thing [as Kristol]. I suspect what’s going on here is a White House shot across the bow, a reminder to Bibi that things can get very nasty if he defies The One. Remember: the 10-month settlement freeze ends in September, right before the midterms, and Bibi plans on firing up the backhoes again. His coalition would fall apart if he didn’t, and he would look pathetic to boot. But in deference to the electoral prospects of his party, Obama doesn’t want to kick off another chapter in the Obama-Israel psychodrama right before the midterms. The Israelis know this and are keeping their powder dry for September. Obama is probably trying to warn them that he’d love nothing more than to let Susan Rice throw them unprotected into the UN arena.


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Impeach, impeach, impeach.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on June 11, 2010 at 8:16 PM

This man plays a dangerous game and it’s going to turn around and bite him some day.

thmcbb on June 11, 2010 at 8:16 PM

skeptical too

vinman on June 11, 2010 at 8:17 PM

Sit on it and rotate Potsy Smartass!

Electrongod on June 11, 2010 at 8:17 PM

Although in that case, why would it have been leaked to Kristol?

So that he, rather than a lefty or mainstream source, looks like the idiot if it’s received poorly.

amerpundit on June 11, 2010 at 8:18 PM

Obama, Erdogan and Ahmadinejad – The Axis of anti-Semitic Weasels.

Tav on June 11, 2010 at 8:20 PM

Sign the Petition for President Obama to Meet with BP CEO Tony Hayward.

Come on President Obama, swallow your pride and show some true leadership. Not every situation has bad guys and good guys. Sometimes, we need to work together to fix problems no matter who’s fault you think the problem is. You’ve been elected to do a job. That job is not to simply play politics until you can do what you really love and run another campaign. If you continue to fail to lead, I pray this oil spill is the worst issue our country will face while you’re president.

dnlchisholm on June 11, 2010 at 8:20 PM

so what could go wrong……..??

/s

RealMc on June 11, 2010 at 8:21 PM

Could a “final solution” be faraway?

the_nile on June 11, 2010 at 8:22 PM

Sign the Petition for President Obama to Meet with BP CEO Tony Hayward.

Come on President Obama, swallow your pride and show some true leadership. Not every situation has bad guys and good guys. Sometimes, we need to work together to fix problems no matter who’s fault you think the problem is. You’ve been elected to do a job. That job is not to simply play politics until you can do what you really love and run another campaign. If you continue to fail to lead, I pray this oil spill is the worst issue our country will face while you’re president.

dnlchisholm on June 11, 2010 at 8:20 PM

No emails for mitt.

the_nile on June 11, 2010 at 8:23 PM

I just wish I could say I was stunned, shocked, or dumbfounded even. Sadly, after 20 years in Reverend Wrights church, dinners with Rashid Khalidi, and his seeking out of Marxist mentors I expected this. He is no friend of Israel or of US Citizens. If you are seeking Freedom and Liberty this man is your mortal enemy!

bluemarlin on June 11, 2010 at 8:25 PM

Can see this “probe” dragging on for months Murtha style.

dragondrop on June 11, 2010 at 8:26 PM

“We’ve said from the beginning that we support an Israeli-led investigation into the flotilla incident that is prompt, credible, impartial, and transparent. We are open to different ways of ensuring the credibility of this Israeli-led investigation, including international participation.”

this comes from the WH? prompt? credible? impartial? and transparent?

BS, total utter BS—an Israeli-led investigation means that the Israelis lead from the back, and that they are going to take the lead in getting bent over by the UN.

Shameless, pitiful and weak.

ted c on June 11, 2010 at 8:26 PM

You know the great thing about being a superpower? Everyone else gets to sit down and shut up unless we call on them.

Zimbabwe and Syria don’t like our support for Iran? Who cares.

amerpundit on June 11, 2010 at 8:27 PM

Zimbabwe and Syria don’t like our support for Iran? Who cares.

Fix.

Zimbabwe and Syria don’t like our support for Israel? Who cares.

amerpundit on June 11, 2010 at 8:27 PM

Hoe about a commission to investigate Turkey and Iran’s participation in setting up the provocation that resulted in the brutal attacks on Israelis and the death of several Muslim “martyrs”? How about a commission to investigate just how Obama’s anti-Israeli policies lead to Erdogan and Ahmadinejad being so emboldened as to provoke the incident? How about a commission to investigate why Islam is so violent and degenerate?

Tav on June 11, 2010 at 8:27 PM

Can you throw a whole nation under a bus? I know it’s a small one, but still…. I guess Obama intends to try.

RBMN on June 11, 2010 at 8:29 PM

WH has already issued a denial, if it was a trial balloon, its been shot down already. The WH isn’t this stupid, though a play to escalate through 3rd party proxies another Ayers/Dorhn/IHH collaboration would not surprise me. Team ‘O’ seems fairly accomplished at Kabuki.

If the IDF does not step in rather forcefully about an Iranian bomb soon, that genie won’t go back in the bottle so they better do it soon. Remember the 3 subs sent to Persian Gulf? Methinks thats gonna come to head soon, a any Obama sanctioned theatre by te above trifecta will be moot anyways as all h*ll will break loose.

As Confucious say, “May you live in interesting times”, and that we are.

Archimedes on June 11, 2010 at 8:30 PM

The official also said, “We know of no resolution that will be debated at the U.N. on the flotilla investigation next week.”…

And then:

Follow the link and you’ll find an unusual letter to Obama jointly written by Mitch McConnell and Harry Reid calling on him to oppose any attempts at the UN to isolate Israel.

So how unusual is for Congressional leadership to write official letters to the President regarding policy on something which the White House claims to be unaware?

anuts on June 11, 2010 at 8:31 PM

(Although in that case, why would it have been leaked to Kristol?)

Allah…this is a rhetorical question, isn’t it?

But, if not, allow me to instruct you: It gives the leak “credibility”. The Left Stream Media is intellectually bankrupt, meaning only the most dense citizen listens to Olberfurher, Maddow, and Chrissy with any respect and/or “mmmmm mmmmmmm mmmmmm Barack Hussien Obama”.

There is not a White House policy before us today that wasn’t preceded by a trial balloon of some sort. Oops…I think Jug Ears went without one for the Honduras fiasco. See how well that worked out, eh?

BobMbx on June 11, 2010 at 8:32 PM

I think this was a trial balloon from the WH to gauge reaction to see what they can get away with.

I’ve always thought that Obama hated Israel. He has kept company with far too many anti-Semitics to think otherwise-people that you and me wouldn’t have given the time of day to.

INC on June 11, 2010 at 8:33 PM

How about a commission to finally investigate the genocide that Turkey committed against the Armenians? How about a commission to investigate Iran’s brutal treatment of it’s own people and how their recent election was rigged?

Tav on June 11, 2010 at 8:34 PM

OT, but heeeeere we go:

Panel commissioned by Barney Frank recommends nearly $1T in defense cuts

DU is ecstatic.

capitalist piglet on June 11, 2010 at 8:35 PM

BobMbx on June 11, 2010 at 8:32 PM

A kind of…polling by proxy?

anuts on June 11, 2010 at 8:35 PM

The One’s dream of a two-state solution that much further away.

LOL! Silly Allah tricks are for kids.

Caper29 on June 11, 2010 at 8:36 PM

Bogus story…don’t believe everything you read on the internet.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0610/White_House_denies_Kristol_flotilla_investigation_claim.html

dakine on June 11, 2010 at 8:36 PM

Tehran grasps it; Jerusalem doesn’t. By ignoring it, Israel is in greater and greater peril with each passing day.

The first rule of strategy is to keep your opponent busy attending to your agenda so he has no time to advance his own. Unfortunately, Israel’s leaders seem unaware of this rule, while Iran’ rulers triumph in its application.

Over the past few weeks, Israel has devoted itself entirely to the consideration of questions that are at best secondary.

It took a year for US President Barack Obama to decide that he should seek additional sanctions against Iran. It then took him another six months to convince Iran’s allies Russia and China to support them. In the event, the sanctions that Obama refers to as “the most comprehensive sanctions that the Iranian government has faced,” will have no impact whatsoever on Iran’s nuclear weapons program.

They will not empower the Iranian people to overthrow their regime. And they will not cause the Iranian regime to reconsider its nuclear weapons program. They won’t even prevent Russia from supplying Iran with S-300 anti-aircraft missiles to protect its nuclear installations from air assault.

Those long awaited, and utterly worthless sanctions underline the fact that life is terrific these days for Iran’s leaders and their allies. A year ago, the Iranian regime was hanging by a thread. After stealing the presidential elections last June 12, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and his boss Ali Khamenei required the assistance of all their regime goons to put down the popular revolt against them. Indeed, they needed to import Hizbullah goons from Lebanon to protect themselves and their regime from their own people. European leaders like French President Nicolas Sarkozy were openly supporting the Iranian people as they announced their intention to overthrow the regime.

But then Obama sided with the regime against its domestic, democratic opposition. Intent on giving his appeasement policy a whirl, Obama took several days to express even the mildest support for the Iranian people. In the meantime, his spokesman continued to refer to the regime as the “legitimate” government of Iran.

Obama’s support for Ahmadinejad forced European leaders like Sarkozy to temper their support for the anti-regime activists. Even worse, by keeping the democracy protesters at arm’s length, Obama effectively gave a green light to Ahmadinejad and Khamenei to resort to brute force against them. That is, by failing to back the democracy protesters, Obama convinced the regime they could get away with murdering scores of them, and torturing thousands more.

Tav on June 11, 2010 at 8:36 PM

…the damage it would do to our relations with Israel would push The One’s dream of a two-state solution that much further away.

Stop right there. What, aside from The One’s (just) words, makes you think that’s his dream?

When you start your theorizing from this premise, you’re bound to come up wrong.

IrishEi on June 11, 2010 at 8:37 PM

Obama already got his “first wish” done with calling for a six month moratorium on offshore drilling. This action will devastate the southern states, who will become further dependent on government, (taxpayer funded) charity. Now he can turn his full attention on abandoning our longstanding relationship with Israel. Every thing the man has done in his short term is to destroy the fabric of an independent nation that thrived on free market principals. Impeachable? Try to prove his motive.

Rovin on June 11, 2010 at 8:38 PM

This man plays a dangerous game and it’s going to turn around and bite him us some day.

thmcbb on June 11, 2010 at 8:16 PM

Although I agree with the premise of your comment, I could give a **** if it bites him in the arse – the harder the better as far as I am concerned, he richly deserves it.

You and I do not.

turfmann on June 11, 2010 at 8:39 PM

Bogus story…don’t believe everything you read on the internet.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0610/White_House_denies_Kristol_flotilla_investigation_claim.html

dakine on June 11, 2010 at 8:36 PM

That story says the same thing as the Foreign Policy story I quoted in my post.

Allahpundit on June 11, 2010 at 8:41 PM

dakine on June 11, 2010 at 8:36 PM

WH denials have zilch credibility.

INC on June 11, 2010 at 8:43 PM

That story says the same thing as the Foreign Policy story I quoted in my post.

Allahpundit on June 11, 2010 at 8:41 PM

Try talking slower and using hand gestures.

amerpundit on June 11, 2010 at 8:45 PM

Jukin’s Razor says that whatever would hurt the USA, our traditional allies, or promote tyranny in the world will be the side Obama comes down on.

So yes he will support the UN’s folly.

jukin on June 11, 2010 at 8:51 PM

Kiss my ass amerpundit…you’re a jackass. There’s no story here. There’s enough stuff to rip Obama about without making shit up.

dakine on June 11, 2010 at 8:53 PM

I don’t think ‘teh one’ has any idea how fast the American people will raise their voices against this assault on Israel. There is an agenda, a big one. Stick around and it will surface.

24K lady on June 11, 2010 at 8:56 PM

“Obama planning to join UN call for international probe of flotilla raid”

Any place he can vote “present”…

… Obowma calls it home.

Take responsibility as the Head of State and manage a National crisis…

… now we can’t have THAT now, can we?

Seven Percent Solution on June 11, 2010 at 9:05 PM

Interesting and insightful comment from the person who corroborated Kristol. It makes total sense.

INC on June 11, 2010 at 9:12 PM

Maybe the Brits could fund a flotilla and sneak in some oil spill clean up booms.

Obama is not minding his own business very well. As a Muslim blooded Harvard grad, I can see why he wants into Israel’s business.

seven on June 11, 2010 at 9:19 PM

That’s one hell of an update. Dude!-worthy.

anuts on June 11, 2010 at 9:26 PM

Human Rights Council…hmmm…didn’t Iran just get a spot on the Womens’ Rights Council and there were women in that flotilla. Would Iran push to be a part of the investigation to see “how the Israeli soldiers treated the women”?

journeyintothewhirlwind on June 11, 2010 at 9:26 PM

Obama is probably trying to warn them that he’d love nothing more than to let Susan Rice throw them unprotected into the UN arena.

UN has become a tool for dictators.

the_nile on June 11, 2010 at 9:46 PM

Don’t make me come down there

Kaptain Kickass.

seven on June 11, 2010 at 9:52 PM

So where are those Iranian aid ships due to arrive off the Gaza coast this week end?

Skandia Recluse on June 11, 2010 at 10:13 PM

This administration is playing a very dangerous game of diplomatic chicken with Israel and this can only further destabilize what is left of any quasi-peace currently existing between Israel and their neighbors. If Obama thinks he can diplomatically stare down Netanyahu, he is sadly mistaken. Obama will lose and many thousands of innocent lives will be lost due to this man’s immature ego.

The murdering regime in Iran is just sitting back grinning as Obama and the UN do their bidding for them as their gambit of sacrificing more innocent human lives with this flotilla improves their strategic position to achieve hegemony in the middle east. As Iran continues to move their chess pieces globally, Obama, and the rest of the world are playing checkers.

My fellow citizens, we are witnessing presidential malpractice on a scale this country has NEVER seen. But, then again, is it really malpractice or, has America been had with this manchurian man in the oval office?

devolvingtowardsidiocracy on June 11, 2010 at 10:29 PM

Even so, and with no disrespect to BK, I’m skeptical.

Never, ever, disrespect Burger King!

rmgraha on June 11, 2010 at 11:28 PM

but top congressional Democrats are careful to make their support of Israel widely and vocally known

Don’t count on it. As Rush frequently says, Liberals are, first and foremost, liberals. The donks that will do the right thing are a painfully small group, sort of like the “moderate muslims” we always hear about as well.

bofh on June 11, 2010 at 11:39 PM

Time to remove this POS from office. Neuter him in November…vote him out in 2012. He’s unfit for office.

Jaibones on June 12, 2010 at 12:00 AM

Aslans Girl on June 11, 2010 at 8:16 PM

Right. Never mind the high crimes and misdemeanors part/ Just impeach the guy for making foreign policy decisions you don’t particularly like.

ernesto on June 12, 2010 at 12:21 AM

Barak taking on Netanyahu?

I understand it’s America’s Leader versus . .
I understand rooting for the underdog . .
But there are limits.

- The Cat

P.S. To lefties, no I wasn’t comparing Obama to a dog. Where I was being unfair though was comparing him to a world leader.

MirCat on June 12, 2010 at 3:39 AM

Hoe about a commission to investigate Turkey and Iran’s participation in setting up the provocation

Tav on June 11, 2010

Is that a “typo” or a “Freudian slip”?

DSchoen on June 12, 2010 at 4:01 AM

I think your skepticism will turning to surprise, Allahpundit. Israel will soon be standing alone, and then the real fireworks will begin.

zoyclem on June 12, 2010 at 9:11 AM

Obama can say whatever he want, he might even get away with soemthing like this once.

In the end if he goes down that road he will find himself in open warfare with two-thirds of his own party in Congress.

I’d almost look forward to seeing how far he can push it. At some point Chuck Schumer’s going to get tired of the angry phone calls from his Wall Street money and look for ways to pull Obama’s leash.

JEM on June 12, 2010 at 10:54 AM

Bibi plans on firing up the backhoes again.

Oooooh, that is so racist!

shibumiglass on June 12, 2010 at 11:02 AM

I blame the American people for this.

Before leaving office, Bush would have done a strike against Iran, but in retaliation the country would have voted for a 70 Dem Senate and 325 Dem House due to our own stupid backlash against him.

If you think it’s bad now, the Government would have become a monster out of control under those circumstances.

scotash on June 12, 2010 at 11:47 AM

…America been had with this manchurian [muslim] man in the oval office…

devolvingtowardsidiocracy on June 11, 2010 at 10:29 PM

Middle of the Target. Mr.dtd

Time to remove this POS from office. Neuter him in November…vote him out in 2012. He’s unfit for office.

Jaibones on June 12, 2010 at 12:00 AM

SS Ship O’ Fools going down by the bows~~~~~

“Let’s Roll”

On Watch on June 14, 2010 at 9:27 AM

…backhoes…Obama doesn’t want to kick off another chapter in the Obama-Israel psychodrama right before the midterms. The Israelis know this and are keeping their powder dry for September. -Ap’s secret source

Parochial analysis methinks,
and regardless of whether, where, or when, the O’drama kicks the UN can down the road — the IDF will have prepped the battlefield for the imminent, massive, and inevitable bloody confrontare.

Salute to our Flag Day!

“Let’s Roll”

On Watch on June 14, 2010 at 10:04 AM