Poll: Biggest Republican threat to Obama among independents is … Ron Paul

posted at 8:49 pm on June 10, 2010 by Allahpundit

The bad news? Despite widespread anxiety over The One’s handling of the oil spill and a new low in Gallup’s daily approval check, he still leads all major Republican contenders head-to-head. It’s only by two or three points in the case of Huckabee and Romney, but against Gingrich, Palin, and Ron Paul, it’s more like 10.

The good news? Well, there is no good news. There’s only this:

One thing that’s very interesting about these numbers is that Ron Paul is the most popular out of the whole group with independents. They see him favorably by a 35/25 margin. The only other White House hopeful on positive ground with them is Romney at a +2 spread and they’re very negative on the rest: -5 for Huckabee, -16 for Gingrich and Palin, and -17 for Obama. All five of the possible GOP contenders lead Obama with independents, but Paul does so by the widest margin at 46-28.

It has been easy in the past to write Paul off as irrelevant but this anti-politician climate is giving his movement some steam. Paul’s going to have an interesting choice in the next year or so. If his goal is really to be President rather than to influence the national dialogue then he should probably keep on trying to win the GOP nomination, as improbable as that might be. But if he wants to guarantee himself a major role in the 2012 contest he should run as a third party candidate instead. Polling at 5-10% nationally in the general election would get his views a much wider airing than just trudging along through the Republican nomination process and hoping to get 10-15% in each primary.

Note: “Moderates” aren’t equivalent to “independents.” Among moderates, Paul’s favorables are 20/38, which is actually among the better results for GOP candidates. (Palin’s net among mods is -46.) Paul does brutally among Republicans, too — just 25/25, whereas every other candidate polled is no worse than net +28. (Palin is +47.) All of which makes me think that … PPP might be right, and that if tea-party fee-vah carries forward into 2011, this guy might decide to quit the party and go kamikaze on the GOP in the general by running as an independent. What’s stopping him? He’ll be 77 on Election Day 2012, so it’s not like he’d be sacrificing decades of political opportunities by bucking the GOP the way Crist did. Plus, a huge part of his schtick is that the two major parties are identical on too many issues, in which case there’s no great loss in helping Obama get re-elected by siphoning votes off from the GOP. He’ll get a spot in the debates, win 10-15 percent of the vote, and earn the undying hatred of Republicans everywhere for torpedoing their chance to knock Obama out of office. Why not go out in a blaze of glory by giving voters “a real choice”?

There’s only one reason I can think of why he might not do it: Rand. If Rand wins the general election in November, Ron may worry that GOP recriminations for ruining the party’s presidential chances might not be limited to him. Which I guess means a Paul victory in Kentucky this year is even more important than we thought. Exit question: Only 27 percent of Nikki Haley supporters and 21 percent of Carly Fiorina supporters want Palin to be the next GOP nominee? I thought those endorsements were supposed to be killer!

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NoLeftTurn on June 10, 2010 at 9:59 PM

She can’t win. It has nothing to do with being cool.

I’d love to see Palin become the 45th president. But I know that she will not win. Fairly or not, she was painted as a dunce by the MSM in 2008. That narrative stuck with a lot of people. And all the books she writes and TV shows she hosts and speeches she gives will not change those minds.

It’s unfair, but that’s life.

If you want to ensure a second Obama term, vote for Palin in the primaries.

angryed on June 11, 2010 at 12:03 AM

Yawn.

Isn’t PPP the outfit that predicted Hoffman would win by a 23 point landslide?

Oh never mind. Let’s not let a questionable polling outfit prevent Allah from bashing Palin.

Norwegian on June 11, 2010 at 12:13 AM

So what other advice does Gallup have on how the Republican Party can best commit seppoku?

Or to put it more directly: I view these polls as a form of psychological warfare. Or enemy propaganda, if you prefer.

These are the same polls that claimed John McCain was our only hope to defeat Barack Obama.

They should be ignored.

Cylor on June 11, 2010 at 12:15 AM

2012 is still a long way off.

Explore the Ron Paul Forums to understand what a threat Ron Paul and his supporters are to the Republican Party in 2010!

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/

Wake up! Find out if there are any Ron Paul candidates running for office in your district.

wren on June 11, 2010 at 12:24 AM

Actually, if the world tips back into recession, and we start seeing real, honest-to-goodness sovereign defaults and currency crises, and Ron Paul is able to position himself as the prophet who saw it all coming and was dismissed as a loon by the elites… 2012 could be VERY interesting.

Inkblots on June 10, 2010 at 9:52 PM

Ron Paul is a prophet!?

Ron Paul is no Prophet but you Paultards revere him as such.

Conservative Samizdat on June 11, 2010 at 12:35 AM

She can’t win.

Why can’t she?

But I know that she will not win.

Fairly or not, she was painted as a dunce by the MSM in 2008. That narrative stuck with a lot of people. And all the books she writes and TV shows she hosts and speeches she gives will not change those minds.
angryed on June 11, 2010 at 12:03 AM

I completely disagree.
And she didn’t look like a dunce on Tuesday night when at least 3 of the candidates who got a major endorsement from her won their races.
Her book sold over 2.5 million copies.
She’s on Fox News and daughter Bristol’s going to be on The View in July.
She has over 1.5 million fans on Facebook.
Her Alaska TV show is coming up this summer.
Her 2nd book will be out this fall.
Her PAC has raised millions and will raise millions more.

Jenfidel on June 11, 2010 at 12:43 AM

Ron Paul? We’re f**ked! Hahahahahahahahah! Hello Obama 2nd term!

austinnelly on June 11, 2010 at 1:54 AM

I completely disagree.
And she didn’t look like a dunce on Tuesday night when at least 3 of the candidates who got a major endorsement from her won their races.
Her book sold over 2.5 million copies.
She’s on Fox News and daughter Bristol’s going to be on The View in July.
She has over 1.5 million fans on Facebook.
Her Alaska TV show is coming up this summer.
Her 2nd book will be out this fall.
Her PAC has raised millions and will raise millions more.

Jenfidel on June 11, 2010 at 12:43 AM

.

Hell, even democrat polesters were on TV talking about how powerful Palin is.

The GOP establishment, and Romney, along with their enablers (Allah, Ed) are doing their damnedest to take credit for Tuesday night, but that was all Palin baby.

Sarah Palin is our next President, period. Anyone who thinks different is totally out of touch with reality.

gary4205 on June 11, 2010 at 2:21 AM

Ron Paul Wing Nuts keep stuffing the box. He can’t win.

Ricohoc on June 11, 2010 at 4:29 AM

Wasn’t it 53-46 in ’08 when the majority of BHO’s voters didn’t know much, if anything, about him? They just wanted the evil Booosh out of office. 53-46 in a race that McCain all but threw in the proverbial towel in order to lose. In 2012 BHO will be a known entity to the American electorate. An entity whose background, beliefs and actual policy stances won’t be able to be ignored or spun by his many enablers in the MSM.

The Gulf oil spill response, obamacare, taxes, the National debt, Iran, Afghanistan, Israel, Gaza and, more will be albatrosses around BHO’s neck in 2012. Palin wins in that environment. Maybe John Garfield Christie (if he can get out of the tub), as well. To this point in time, both Palin and Christie have shown a willingness to be in the foreground and lead by word and deed. Others can not be described in the same manner.

For those that believe it’s Mitt’s time to head the Republican ticket in ’12, I ask why? he came in 3rd!!! For those that believe in the “next in line” format for picking standard bearers, shouldn’t that be Palin(VP candidate in ’08) or the Huckster (2nd place finisher in the ’08 primaries)?

Over the past few weeks, we have seen whose endorsements brought name recognition, money and primary/runoff wins. As we head to November 2010, we shall see again whose endorsements and campaign appearances result in election night victories. The person that is out in the open raising money and campaigning for candidates (and not themselves) across the United States this Fall is the person that has laid a foundation, by word and deed, for 2012…

Gohawgs on June 11, 2010 at 4:34 AM

I will NEVER vote for Ron Paul.

Boxy_Brown on June 11, 2010 at 5:10 AM

Stopped clock syndrome: right twice a day.

Politically that usually plays out over a year… you can find a couple of isolated things you agree on, and the rest is a vast gulf of non-agreement. I have that problem with Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan and just shake my head for 99.99% of the time – the startling moments are when they actually can come up with something I agree with, which points out just how little I agree with either.

ajacksonian on June 11, 2010 at 7:28 AM

EVERY conservative pundit needs to practice a two word answer for the liberal media’s question about Ron & Rand Paul; Alvin Greene.

“Well you conservatives support R. Paul…”
“And you liberals ELECTED Alvin Greene as your Standard Bearer.”

barnone on June 11, 2010 at 8:28 AM

You may want to rethink that:

Firefly_76 on June 10, 2010 at 10:18 PM

Are you kidding? That would actually require Rebar to exercise some level of thought in the first place.

JohnGalt23 on June 11, 2010 at 9:00 AM

MadisonConservative on June 10, 2010 at 10:14 PM

Sorry. Never read The Stand. (Although, you do know why King gave the virus that particular moniker, don’t you :) ).

The only thing I know about it was that apparently a fine, wholesome, upstanding city was chosen as the seat of evil, and an unprincipled, heathen, Godforesaken mountain town was chosen as the center of good.

There is just no justice in American literature.

JohnGalt23 on June 11, 2010 at 9:06 AM

these numbers would plummet, IF the political process ever focuses in on Paul. Right now he skates by, untouched except by traditional conservatives who can’t stand him for the reasons that would come out.

jp on June 11, 2010 at 9:47 AM

@daveweigel: Oh, by the way, Ron Paul’s CPAC straw poll victory meant nothing. Nothing at all. Move along… #kysen #randslide

For the record, Weigel was being sarcastic, AP.

Exit question: Kathleen Parker is more popular than Ron Paul? The paleocons really are finished, aren’t they?

LOL…

The Traditional Conservative Platform: * Goldwater * Reagan * Paul *

Scary!

H.R.4995 – End the Mandate Act of 2010

Only 19 GOP cosponsors, people.

H.R.5444 – Private Option Health Care Act

Zero GOP cosponsors to repeal Barry’s Big Medical System, people. Zero.

With Just Six Words, Ron Paul Can Box in the Republican Establishment in November:

The six words are: Public Law 111-148 is hereby repealed.

Public Law 111-148 is the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. This is the compulsory health insurance law that Democrats rammed through Congress and Obama signed.

The Republican Party voted unanimously to oppose it. Most of them did this for low-risk grandstanding reasons. Had George W. Bush proposed the bill, they would have voted for it, just as they voted for his prescription drug law.

Ron Paul can force their hands in November. By introducing the bill, he will guarantee that the Democrats will never let it get out of committee. That is to be expected.

Once it is bottled up in committee, it becomes politically active. At that point, Tea Party voters can ask their Republican candidates, “Do you promise to vote for Ron Paul’s bill to repeal Obama’s health insurance package if the Democrats lose in November? Do you also promise to vote for it without any amendments or any other modifications until it is signed into law by a Republican President, no matter what?”

That will put the fire under them. At that point, they will begin to mumble. They will say that Obama will veto it. Answer: “That’s true. Kiss Obama’s chances goodbye in 2012.”

Next, they will say that the timing is wrong. Answer: “The timing is never wrong to repeal government-controlled medical care.” [...]

Rae on June 11, 2010 at 10:10 AM

Only one Ron Paul voter in my family, and he is a kook.

Inanemergencydial on June 11, 2010 at 11:00 AM

Exit question: Only 27 percent of Nikki Haley supporters and 21 percent of Carly Fiorina supporters want Palin to be the next GOP nominee? I thought those endorsements were supposed to be killer!

It’s not really that confusing, AP: just because one likes Palin and respects her judgment enough to lend weight to her endorsements does not mean that same person wishes her to be the nominee. I adore Palin, and I think she’d make a fine Commander-in-Chief. However, I think 2012 is just too soon, and would be an almost-certain defeat if she ran. Hence, I can understand those who would vote for her selected candidates but would prefer she not run for Prez just yet.

Animator Girl on June 11, 2010 at 12:07 PM

They didn’t ask about My Man Mitch!

realityunwound on June 11, 2010 at 12:35 PM

Did you guys hear that Sarah Palin and Ron Paul are gonna appear together on a show on FOX with Judge Andrew P. Napolitano?

What the hell is Sarah Palin thinking!?

She shouldn’t be anywhere near that man.

Conservative Samizdat on June 11, 2010 at 12:48 PM

That would actually require Rebar to exercise some level of thought in the first place.

JohnGalt23 on June 11, 2010 at 9:00 AM

Some folks don’t like their shibboleth examined and found wanting, evidently.

Rebar on June 11, 2010 at 12:55 PM

Interesting reactons from the Palinbots…

But it’s still too early to tell either way for sure. Palin has been well and truly painted as a ditz, but the slandermongers have also been hard at work on RP. And raking in the dough, wether by ‘moneybombs’, or by publishing conservaganda, does NOT make one a winning candidate by itself.

I say we should just bury this discussion until November at the earliest.

Dark-Star on June 11, 2010 at 1:45 PM

Ron Paul can’t win, I wouldn’t want him to. But maybe this is a sign that the public wants a fiscal conservative who tones down the social conservatism. Besides its good for families to not live in a bankrupt country.

Raisedbywolves on June 11, 2010 at 2:50 PM

I don’t think Obama will make it to the next election.

Electrongod on June 10, 2010 at 8:52 PM

I’m leaning towards there being no election.

I can’t see these Marxists wanting to even risk getting close and losing the four more years needed to solidify their choke hold on America.

But…maybe if they can get enough done (whatever that is) prior to 2012 and in such a way that the Republicans (including a healthy number of RINOs) can’t change anything, then they may just bide their time until 2016 or 2020 as they may have poisoned the well sufficiently to allow another Democratic comeback to the White House.

Still, the radicals seem to be getting restless, so maybe not enough can be done even before this November’s elections?

The Commies have been pretty patient for the last 100 years, steadily chipping away, but how much longer are they willing to (or have to in their minds) wait for bringing about a Socialist One-World Utopia?

Dr. ZhivBlago on June 11, 2010 at 8:08 PM

I will NEVER vote for Ron Paul.

Boxy_Brown on June 11, 2010 at 5:10 AM

Neither would I.

Moreover, I would do whatever I could ensure that man never makes it to the White House.

Conservative Samizdat on June 12, 2010 at 5:36 AM

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