Pence to Obama: Whose side are you on, anyway?
posted at 12:55 pm on June 10, 2010 by Ed Morrissey
Rep. Mike Pence delivered a strong challenge to Barack Obama on the House floor this morning on his handling of foreign policy, which is especially timely on the day after Obama announced a $400 million aid package for the Palestinians and held a photo session with Mahmoud Abbas — just a few weeks after deliberately refusing to hold one with Benjamin Netanyahu. Israel offered to lift restrictions on spices and snack foods, but the Palestinians want “spare parts and electronics,” which the Israelis might well believe would have less-than-peaceful purposes. Besides, while Hamas continues to use Gaza for a launching pad and refuses to release Gilad Shalit after holding him hostage for four years, is the next move really Israel’s? Pence wonders whether Obama intends to support our ally in the region at all:
“We all grieve the loss of life that occurred last week when a flotilla designed to challenge Israel’s effective blockade of Gaza ended in military confrontation. But Israel has a right to defend itself.
“The history is clear in that region; Gaza is controlled by a terrorist organization known as Hamas. Hamas used Gaza as a launching pad for thousands of rockets that killed innocent civilians in Israel. Israel responded with military force and has instituted a blockade that has saved lives in Gaza and in Israel. And there’s no humanitarian crisis. Ten thousand tons of food and medical supplies are transferred into Gaza every single week.
“Remarkably, yesterday the president said it was time for Israel to sharply limit its effective blockade in Gaza, saying ‘the situation in Gaza is unsustainable.’
“The truth is, Mr. President, your policy in Israel is unsustainable.
“The American people are on the side of Israel and Israel’s right to defend herself.
“Mr. President, whose side are you on?”
Cubachi also notes the lack of context presented in the media these days regarding Israel:
Israel does send tons of aid to Gaza and are falsely painted as spreading hunger and misery to the region which is certainly not the case.
Just look at these pictures and information about what really goes on in Gaza which the media and the left conveniently leave out of their partisan news reports. Does this look like a region in hunger or strife? No.
No one begrudges peaceful people their success. However, Gaza’s de facto government (Hamas) continues to conduct acts of war against Israel. Israel has the right to defend itself, including using a blockade to pressure Gazans into getting rid of the terrorists running the territory. If they want an end to the blockade, then Gazans need to put an end to Hamas’ rule. When that happens, then we can talk Israel into normalizing its relations, but while the rockets fly, Gazans will continue to reap the spoils of a war that Hamas relentlessly wages. And we should not be asking Israel to weaken its defenses simply because of a PR stunt funded in part by the same enemy we’re fighting in Afghanistan through their front group IHH.
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tarpon on June 10, 2010 at 1:32 PM
Anyone who didn’t see his obvious pro-Palestinian ties and sentiments prior to the election was just not looking. My Muslim neighbor, who only watches Al-Jazeera because the American media is “Zionist”, was ecstatic to be able to vote for Obama as someone who would “finally stand up to Israel”. She admires Rashid Khalidi as a “great man” and was happy that Obama had such close ties to him. However, all my Jewish relatives and friends (except one sane one) were equally ecstatic about voting for Obama. I was amazed that Obama was such a good con man that he had both Muslims and Jews thinking he was on their side.
inmypajamas on June 10, 2010 at 1:34 PM
No… the date on that video is 2009.
ProfessorMiao on June 10, 2010 at 1:35 PM
It seems to me that the stuff being held up by the blockade goes well beyond security-related items:
–There are indications that some people in Gaza are being denied permission to leave in order to obtain medical treatment. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/20/gaza-blockade-health-risk-report.
–Israel until a few days ago did not allow soda, juice, jam, spices, shaving cream, potato chips, cookies, canned fruits and candy into Gaza. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/20/gaza-blockade-health-risk-report.
–Building supplies, including wood, glassand cement, have generally been refused entry into Gaza. That apparently changed somewhat earlier this year. And, apparently, cars and computers are generally refused entry.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7545636.stm
Jimbo3 on June 10, 2010 at 1:36 PM
WTH? How is the turd-in-chief able to give my money to nazi terrorists? Was there any congressional vote on this? Where is the reporting?
Vashta.Nerada on June 10, 2010 at 1:36 PM
Were are giving our money via Obama’s spending to a fake area. Yes. So you never answered my question Jimbo or are you avoiding it due to the fact you forgot other Nations were are giving money too?
upinak on June 10, 2010 at 1:37 PM
Obama, quite simply, is not one of us.
BuckeyeSam on June 10, 2010 at 1:39 PM
–I didn’t say that. I said I worked for some large companies and was an officer and director of some of their group companies.
Jimbo3 on June 10, 2010 at 1:40 PM
Coward anti-zionist mission poster present and accounted for…
Good job on moving that ball downfield foolbo3.
Inanemergencydial on June 10, 2010 at 1:41 PM
Maybe they’ll build another Olympic sized swimming pool. Or take all their good little ‘soldiers’ out to Roots for chicken kiev.
ProfessorMiao on June 10, 2010 at 1:43 PM
How can life go on…
ProfessorMiao on June 10, 2010 at 1:44 PM
Hezzbolah Jimbo3 is back. Can we fire him from posting just like Thomas?
shick on June 10, 2010 at 1:44 PM
Well, we’ve got a lot of heroes besides Pence in Congress now…which is why I get annoyed with reactionaries who want to vote everyone out.
Or who think “there’s not a dime’s worth of difference between Democrats & Republicans.”
Or who say that only a few women have, um, testicles (*blush*) in the GOP.
itsnotaboutme on June 10, 2010 at 1:45 PM
Anti-Zionism generally means opposition to having a state of Israel. It doesn’t mean opposition to some of the policies of that state. But good way to use misdirection to confuse the issues.
Jimbo3 on June 10, 2010 at 1:46 PM
You want to snub Israel because they haven’t allowed junk food into Gaza?
I see nothing on your list that justifies a snub of Israel and a hug for Hamas.
ladyingray on June 10, 2010 at 1:46 PM
You can start here:
Since 1994, Palestinians have received more than $2.9 billion in U.S. economic assistance via USAID projects – more than from any other donor country.
http://www.usaid.gov/wbg/home.html
And they celebrate when Americans are killed.
Cody1991 on June 10, 2010 at 1:47 PM
http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/mideastdispatches/archives/001072.html
ProfessorMiao on June 10, 2010 at 1:44 PM
ProfessorMiao on June 10, 2010 at 1:48 PM
I fail to comprehend your indignation, sir. I have simply made the logical assumption that you are a liar.
Lanceman on June 10, 2010 at 1:48 PM
–Sorry, but when I look at the list, I see a serious over-reaction by Israel (and some attempt to make life somewhat uncomfortable on a day to day basis for the people in Gaza). What security-related justification can Israel have to not allow junk food into Gaza?
Jimbo3 on June 10, 2010 at 1:49 PM
–It shows fresh fruits and vegetables. I’m not sure if the stuff wrapped up is candy or not, Professor.
Jimbo3 on June 10, 2010 at 1:52 PM
Perhaps if the people of Gaza are uncomfortable, they will come to realize their Hamas government is ultimiately responsible for their situation and get rid of them. I think ridding the Gaza of Hamas will definitely improve the security, justifying that goal as security-related.
ladyingray on June 10, 2010 at 1:54 PM
By the way, Jimbo:
Per Israeli Ambassador Michael Oren, letting building materials through the blockade is not a good idea:
kingsjester on June 10, 2010 at 1:54 PM
Israel gets 6000+ rockets rained down on it from the palis per year in recent years.
Israel denie ho-hos and starcrunches to palis.
Liberals cry.
Who is debased?
Inanemergencydial on June 10, 2010 at 1:54 PM
WOW, THE LEFT SHOULD LOVE ISRAEL THEN!
I mean really, isn’t all that stuff what the nanny state lefties want to start taxing in hopes of getting people to stop eating it? Heck I’ve heard calls from leftist nanny types to find some way to ban junk food here, it’s causing a crisis of obesity you know. I’d say Israel is just trying to look out for the health of the Arab children.
Why they heck is everyone on the left on the side of a group of people who brutalize their own, oppress their women, REFUSE to allow freedom of religion, and ABSOLUTELY refuse to get along with a people because they are Jewish.
I thought we aren’t supposed to tolerate such hate. OH wait, I guess that only goes one direction on the left, only applies in situations where it undermines traditional western values and exalts those poor oppressed “minorities” who treat women as second class citizens and have a religion which has an openly hostile position towards anyone who doesn’t agree with them and doesn’t want to submit to their religions authority.
flyfishingdad on June 10, 2010 at 1:56 PM
That’s easy: he’s on the enemy’s side.
What we really need are joint USSOCOM-IDFSOCOM clandestine, covert operations throughout the Palestine neighborhood of Israel, hunting down and capturing or killing targeted HVTs. That way, both sides eliminate enemies, as well as get some good training. Once that’s done, they can move on to places like Lebanon and Syria. Maybe even Turkey. The last thing we need to do is give them a single penny. This, I’m sure, runs very counter to what the majority of Americans would want done with their money, as I just can’t see most people wanting our tax payer dollars going to a terrorist state.
Virus-X on June 10, 2010 at 1:57 PM
Gee, they’re given more food than they can carry.
Sounds like Israel is really being awful to them.
MadisonConservative on June 10, 2010 at 2:03 PM
–As of 2008, we were not sending money now to England, Germany, but did send $3 million to Bosnia and sent $182 million to South Korea in that year. Israel got $3 billion and Iraq and Afghanistan each got about $6 billion. A few billion also went to former Russian states and Egypt. Looks to me that the $400 million is not much compared to the 2008 grants.
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/cats/foreign_commerce_aid/foreign_aid.html
Jimbo3 on June 10, 2010 at 2:03 PM
Maybe it’s bite-sized morsels of chicken kiev left over from dinner at Roots the day before.
BTW, who do you think pays for Israel to inspect every shipment of goods that comes into the area, and is then transported over land to the Gaza crossings?
ProfessorMiao on June 10, 2010 at 2:03 PM
By the way, Jimbo:
–But then what do you do about people whose houses have been destroyed or are collapsing? Cardboard boxes?
Jimbo3 on June 10, 2010 at 2:05 PM
Obama and his socialist utopian pals do the same thing to us and liberals cry “huzzaah. He’s trying to make us healthier… I luv a pres who knows what a library is.”
Skywise on June 10, 2010 at 2:05 PM
We all (here) have known whose side he is on for a couple of years, some of us even longer. But with the media covering up for him… not just covering up but aiding and abetting his lies and his true allegiances, half the nation was fooled, and many of them still are.
LegendHasIt on June 10, 2010 at 2:06 PM
http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/06/does_abbas_support_for_black_g.html
Obama and the left shouldn’t be showing support for Abbas if they are really into helping Darfur. Abbas supports crimes against humanity Bashir.
On the other hand Israel offered refuge to Black Muslims from Sudan and helped Haiti.
I want the US and Obama to support Israel and pin Abbas and Hamas to the wall.
journeyintothewhirlwind on June 10, 2010 at 2:07 PM
That history alone told me everything I ever needed to know about the man. Case closed!
Gang-of-One on June 10, 2010 at 2:08 PM
Isn’t this what Mayor Bloomberg wants to do to New York City?
landlines on June 10, 2010 at 2:08 PM
Egad. Many, many moons ago he said what side he would take in a conflict. More than anything, I am more annoyed by the fact that most people are shocked and surprised.
betsyz on June 10, 2010 at 2:09 PM
Boo hoo.
The boor
BalestiniansFakestinians.Shy Guy on June 10, 2010 at 2:09 PM
–You’ll notice that’s being given to them by the UN relief agency and not by Israel. They have to rely on the UN food because of he can’t find work in Gaza. And why should Israel let in ground coffee, but not coffee beans? What does that have to do with security concerns?
Jimbo3 on June 10, 2010 at 2:10 PM
Have you bothered to check the total population of Palestinians? Looks like it’s less than 2 million. What we have sent since 1994 looks to be nearly 3 BILLION. For what? Scroll up to my previous post if you aren’t too inconvenienced.
Liberals love tossing money at problems, however without conditions – like stop being a terrorist state – nothing will change.
Liberals also seem fond of welfare states and status. That way you have someone to pity and treat like your favorite pet.
It’s a complete waste of US taxpayer money when one considers that your little friends dance in the street when Americans are killed. There is no incentive to change under these circumstances.
Another question for you…. how much have Arab countries done for their charming brothers? Not much in comparison.
Cody1991 on June 10, 2010 at 2:10 PM
Suicide activists
Shy Guy on June 10, 2010 at 2:10 PM
That’s not Israel’s problem. That’s Gaza’s problem for attacking Israel. If Hamas hadn’t attacked Israel from Gaza, Israel would not have retaliated. Maybe Gaza should tell Hamas to go f**k itself, so that Israel doesn’t have any need to retaliate, and then their houses would be fine. Until then, why would you grant more supplies to the area where the people who shower rockets upon your country live?
MadisonConservative on June 10, 2010 at 2:11 PM
Hamas and Hezbullah are both Iranian terrorist militias placed deliberately to the north and south of Israel by Iran. They were created by Iran, take their orders from Iran, are financed by Iran and armed by Iran.
It’s time everyone understands what their intentions are.
OxyCon on June 10, 2010 at 2:13 PM
–But then what do you do about people whose houses have been destroyed or are collapsing? Cardboard boxes?
Jimbo3 on June 10, 2010 at 2:05 PM
Why don’t the people who cannot get supplies because their own leaders grab them to build weapons with, complain to the UN and the world about the savagery of their leadership anf the fact that they do not care about their living conditions?
kingsjester on June 10, 2010 at 2:13 PM
What did the Palis do with the greenhouses they were given when the Jews moved out of Gaza a few years ago?
They trashed them – not to mention the synagogues and Jewish homes they destroyed.
You really need to do some research and take a look at some facts if you set aside your hatred of Jews for a few moments.
Cody1991 on June 10, 2010 at 2:14 PM
…and? Pro-Hamas people scream and cry that Gazans are starving, and they’re not. They’ve got more food than they can carry. So you complain about Israel not allowing in Doritos and Kit-Kats.
…and? Israel is now responsible for keeping Gaza’s economy strong?
MadisonConservative on June 10, 2010 at 2:14 PM
Sending aid money to allies is part of building national relationships…..
…sending 900 billion last year and 400 billion just now to the people of Palistine that is run by terrorist group Hamas
and proudly acted like this on 9/11:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMOZvbYJMvU
…is insane.
Anybody still playing the “poor Palestinian” line after Arab nations turn their backs on them and billions in aid is primarily used for arming terrorist in their pursuit of the destruction of Israel, is pretty much ignorant.
Baxter Greene on June 10, 2010 at 2:14 PM
–It’s actually Israel’s problem (along with Egypt’s, to a lesser extent) because it is the one blocking supplies from going into Gaza. And the number of rockets into Israel from Gaza has been rapidly shrinking the last few years. It looks like roughly 60 rockets and mortars have been sent during the first five months of 2010: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2010 That’s down from over 500 last year and over 2,000 in 2008. Israel now also has some sort of rocket shield. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2009
So, you’re basically radicalizing a million + people in Gaza because of (on a current annualized basis) one rocket attack every three days? Do you think they’ll grow up thinking they were treated properly or do you think they’ll grow up thinking something different?
Jimbo3 on June 10, 2010 at 2:19 PM
What paranoid delusion!
ernesto on June 10, 2010 at 2:20 PM
Even if Jimbo got his wish, and all the Israelis simply disappeared today, and the ‘palestinians’ got to take over their country and infrastructure intact, within three years they would have destroyed everything of value, and be on the UN dole.
LegendHasIt on June 10, 2010 at 2:21 PM
$400mil of my tax money that should go to the gulf of mexico not the persian gulf! Who does he think he is giving money away to muslims tied terrorist hamas while Americans are in such need!
Abbas doesn’t want the blockade lifted so easily that hamas will arm more heavily and come for him. The scrubbing continues but there’s too many links and caches.
Rea1ityCheck on June 10, 2010 at 2:23 PM
Jimbo3 on June 10, 2010 at 2:03 PM
What did the Palis do with the greenhouses they were given when the Jews moved out of Gaza a few years ago?
–I don’t hate Jews. You keep trying to throw that line at me because I’m not fully supportive of some of the things that the Israeli government has done. Some of them may have trashed what was there, but how does that justify in effect what’s being done to the other 95%?
Jimbo3 on June 10, 2010 at 2:23 PM
…which is due to attacks from Hamas for years, supported by the people of Gaza.
Oh, they’re shrinking, so…despite the fact that they still happen, you think the fact that there are less means they should be happy.
Tell what what. Let’s get a neighbor to chuck bricks at your house on a regular basis. We’ll tell him to throw a few less every year for a few years. I’m sure you’ll feel much better that the number of bricks being thrown is rapidly shrinking.
Okay, are you ready to actually discuss rocket attacks like they’re motherf**king explosive weapons meant to cause mass destruction and death?
MadisonConservative on June 10, 2010 at 2:25 PM
–They and Eqypt are blocking many supplies from coming into Gaza, right? It’s sorta tough to have a thriving economy without some goods to sell and use.
Jimbo3 on June 10, 2010 at 2:25 PM
What is that saying? Oh yeah…elections have consequences.
ladyingray on June 10, 2010 at 2:26 PM
Because that 95% hasn’t either arrested or killed that other 5%. If they do that, and demonstrate that they’re not in favor of the constant attacking of Israel from within their borders with explosive weapons, then it’s likely they wouldn’t need a blockade.
MadisonConservative on June 10, 2010 at 2:27 PM
Let’s see, why can’t they find work in Gaza? Two things come to mind. First, after the second intifada erupted, all the Gazans who had worked in Israel were no longer able to because Israel crossed the border. Too many Israelis exploding at seders, in pizza parlors, on buses. Second, when Israel left Gaza and Jews pulled together 14 million dollars to buy the greenhouses that were being left behind to give them to the Gazans, a bunch of Gazans trashed and looted them. I guess they didn’t want the Joo cooties.
And here’s a third. Hamas seems to have no end of money for arms, which are more important to them than building an economy.
ProfessorMiao on June 10, 2010 at 2:27 PM
Only because they had the sh*t kicked out of them in Operation Cast Lead.
ProfessorMiao on June 10, 2010 at 2:28 PM
You are an utter fool.
Palestinians are responsible for much of what occurs there. Why don’t you at least respect them as having enough intelligence to realize that they should and must act in their best interests.
Liberals never get it. Why don’t you go whine somewhere else.
Cody1991 on June 10, 2010 at 2:29 PM
Here is a pro-Palestinian article bragging about the over 1000 tunnels that they have to supply them with goods and weapons despite the blockade.
….add this to the billions being sent to them and only a blind partisan could believe that the Palestinians are starving and without shelter.
An underground economy and resistance symbol
The tunnels of Gaza
By Sara Flounders
Published Feb 8, 2009 8:39 AM
http://www.workers.org/2009/world/gaza_0212/
Baxter Greene on June 10, 2010 at 2:30 PM
It’s sorta tougher to have a thriving economy when you’re supporting a terrorist organization dedicated to the destruction of your neighboring country and its people, especially when that terrorist organization regularly seizes supplies that come into the country before they can get to the people they claim they want to help..
MadisonConservative on June 10, 2010 at 2:30 PM
The Palestinians are helpless victims who have had no control over their lives or politics. Waaaa…
ladyingray on June 10, 2010 at 2:33 PM
–Yes, but are you read to discuss whether shutting down all of Gaza is the best way to continue handling this?
Jimbo3 on June 10, 2010 at 2:34 PM
–That also applies in the US, lady. I didn’t vote for Obama but I’m happy with the policy to put some distance between the US and Israel.
Jimbo3 on June 10, 2010 at 2:36 PM
Shut down Gaza, weapons don’t get in. Get rid of Hamas, no need to block weapons from coming in. Is this really that difficult?
MadisonConservative on June 10, 2010 at 2:36 PM
Indeed. They’re the liberal’s idea of a petting zoo. They can’t think of them as people who should be responsible. But, then, will all the money that is sent by various countries, why should they?
One thing is for sure is that if I were a Pali and got my share of $3 billion, I’d be doing something worthwhile.
Cody1991 on June 10, 2010 at 2:36 PM
Never thought I’d even think this, much less say it but it’s beginning to look as if Obama has Muslim leanings at heart. Maybe he doesn’t know it or even acknowlege it to himself but it’s there. Like the 800 pound gorilla I can’t ignore it or convince myself it’s not so any more.
jeanie on June 10, 2010 at 2:37 PM
–The article says Hamas is taking “a cut”. Not clear how much of a cut and not clear how much is getting through after the cut.
Jimbo3 on June 10, 2010 at 2:38 PM
–People would need money to be able to buy those things, right? So where do many of those people get the money?
Jimbo3 on June 10, 2010 at 2:39 PM
Israel isn’t shutting down Gaza. Israel is shutting down the ONE route their enemies can take to get weapons to Gaza. They can easily get AID to Gaza through Egypt over land. They only reason they’re not taking that route is because they aren’t really bringing AID, they’re bringing weapons.
Daggett on June 10, 2010 at 2:39 PM
Ho. Lee. S**t. You’re excusing a terrorist organization for stealing humanitarian aid for civilians, then selling it to them…by claiming that their cut isn’t that big. Meanwhile, you’re moaning about the Israelis not allowing in ground coffee and Fritos.
Slime.
MadisonConservative on June 10, 2010 at 2:40 PM
No kidding. It’s pointless.
Outta here.
Cody1991 on June 10, 2010 at 2:43 PM
–My understanding is that Egypt was keeping up its blockade because it didn’t want to formally recognize Hamas control of Gaza. It’s apparently recently decided to eliminate its blockade. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100607/ap_on_re_mi_ea/gaza_blockade
Jimbo3 on June 10, 2010 at 2:43 PM
I know it applies in the US, Jimbo. I pay every damn day for the idiots who put Captain Kickass in office.
Yes, by all means put some space between the US and Israel. Hamas and Iran will fit nicely in that space. Do you really think the Palestinians want us for friends? That Hamas and Iran want us for friends?
ladyingray on June 10, 2010 at 2:44 PM
…what is the liberal quota for rockets launched on civilians????
… thousands have been launched with no condemnation at all from the liberal crowd..
Rabbi David Eliezrie: Israel must control its own security
By RABBI DAVID ELIEZRIE
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/israel-251569-hamas-hezbollah.html
Israel’s embargo blocked sophisticated weapons. Still, it has launched over 7,000 missiles into Israel in recent years
…liberals yell and whine at the top of their lungs about the TEA Party out in the streets practicing their 1st Amendment rights…..
…but somehow launching thousands of missiles into civilian neighborhoods is okay.
…seems that now that with Obama in the White House….liberals think “War is the Answer”….
…..if America has the right to defend itself from terrorist….so does Israel.
….liberals have no credibility on this subject what-so-ever.
Baxter Greene on June 10, 2010 at 2:45 PM
–No. You implied that most of the shipments were not getting through. I said that may not be the case.
Jimbo3 on June 10, 2010 at 2:46 PM
Apparently, logic isn’t Jimbo’s strong suit.
ladyingray on June 10, 2010 at 2:47 PM
I was under the impression that Egypt blockades the land routes to Gaza from their country too including the tunnels. Am I mis-informed?
jeanie on June 10, 2010 at 2:50 PM
What difference does it make where they get the money Jimbo…
….the bottom line is that the Palestinians are not starving and without means like you and your liberal friends keep on whining about.
They are in their current position because other Arab states that want the destruction of Israel need a perpetual victim to give them an excuse to arm proxy armies (Hamas,Hezbollah) and set about the destruction of Israel.
They admit their intent of destroying Israel on a daily basis Jimbo……
…more reality that liberals like you seem to ignore.
Baxter Greene on June 10, 2010 at 2:50 PM
–It may have been several thousand over the last several years, but it looks like basically 100 for this year.
And Israel now has an Iron Dome missle shield that it says was successful in tests in intercepting rockets launched from Gaza: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6980098.ece
And the Congress and the WH recently approved a $200 million grant to Israel for the Iron Dome project:
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/u-s-congress-okays-aid-for-iron-dome-1.291602
Jimbo3 on June 10, 2010 at 2:51 PM
Oh, so if half of the humanitarian aid is being seized by a terrorist organization and sold to the poor Gazans who are already broke, you’re perfectly fine with it. But if Israelis prevent them from getting their Almond Joys, you’re going to lose your s**t.
Filth.
MadisonConservative on June 10, 2010 at 2:52 PM
–
–Yes, because it’s not a proportionate response.
Jimbo3 on June 10, 2010 at 2:54 PM
Just to stir the pot:What do Palestinian Muslems need shaving cream for?
DDT on June 10, 2010 at 2:54 PM
Oh, so Israel should just launch rockets back into Gaza? You’d think that was peachy keen? Suicide bombings as well?
MadisonConservative on June 10, 2010 at 2:55 PM
Did you even read the article you linked? “An Egyptian security official declared the blockade of Gaza a failure Monday and said his country will keep its border with the Palestinian territory open indefinitely.”
If anyone wants to send aid to Gaza, they can do it through Egypt. The only reason to do it over sea is to bring in weapons.
Daggett on June 10, 2010 at 2:55 PM
–A “cut” doesn’t neccessarily mean 50%. Your article was from early 2009. Do you have anything that suggests the size of the “cut”.
And it’s real encouraging that Ed and Allah allow a Green Room writer to throw out personal insults in violation of the Terms of Use.
Jimbo3 on June 10, 2010 at 2:55 PM
It’s not enough to ask the question: “Whose side are you on anyway?” There is a larger picture here that needs exploring. I am firmly convinced that this president is a moral degenerate. He would rather make deals with evil than do what is morally necessary, though painful, to protect America. He is bargaining not only with America’s soul but Israel’s as well. I’ve written more extensively on the subject at http://www.thecjpolitcalreport.com.
The CJ Political Report on June 10, 2010 at 2:56 PM
–It’s only been three days. Did you read the date in the article?
Jimbo3 on June 10, 2010 at 2:57 PM
…which it has done many times for political reasons…
…Egypt will then shut their boarders again and along with the rest of the Arab world, resort to little or no support of the Palestinian people except as an excuse to instigate bigotry and violence against Israel with the help of the UN and liberal apologist.
Baxter Greene on June 10, 2010 at 2:57 PM
Hey Gulf Coast, Ohio, Nashville, look at this:
Their getting:
900 million in 2009
400 million in 2010
National debt at 13 Trillion and expected to hit 19 Trillion by 2015
States are in the red.
And Obama is Hamas’s Santa Claus.
journeyintothewhirlwind on June 10, 2010 at 2:58 PM
*blinks*
A terrorist organization is seizing humanitarian aid at gunpoint, and your concern is how much.
So if I rob your house, but only take…maybe…20% of the stuff in there, you’re fine with that?
MadisonConservative on June 10, 2010 at 2:59 PM
–I’m not fine with that, but that’s a different point than the one we were discussing. You implied that most of the aid was not getting through to the population.
Jimbo3 on June 10, 2010 at 3:03 PM
He WILL stand with his muslim brothers. It’s a no brainer. He’s proving it on a daily basis.
capejasmine on June 10, 2010 at 3:04 PM
Really. I’m talking about not taking most of your possessions. You seem most concerned with whether Hamas is taking most of the aid(something I never said, by the way). Instead, you’re utterly ignoring the fact that Hamas is stealing humanitarian aid meant for the Gazan people.
MadisonConservative on June 10, 2010 at 3:06 PM
If it makes Israel look bad, yes.
ladyingray on June 10, 2010 at 3:07 PM
That was brilliant! Good job Mike Pence!
Oink on June 10, 2010 at 3:07 PM
Jimbo’s not anti-zionist…he’s simply an anti-semite.
Vancomycin on June 10, 2010 at 3:07 PM
Oh please, kid. Citing the UK Guardian and the BBC as “news sources” on this story only insults our intelligence, and makes you look bad.
Jimbo2 was much funnier.
Del Dolemonte on June 10, 2010 at 3:10 PM
…Once again Jimbo….What is the liberal quota for Rockets launched into civilian homes?????
It really shows your bias and intellectual dishonesty to try and paint the fact that only about “100 rockets” have been launched recently as a plus.
…everyone of these rockets launched on civilians is a war crime and an act of war…..
….how much of a plus would that be if it was your neighborhood that was receiving these rockets on a daily basis?????
…so now liberals are bragging about selling Israel weapons???
….typical liberal pretzel logic to brag about how solving the problem will be Israel getting better defense weaponry from us (which liberals have been yelling about stopping) instead of holding the Palestinians responsible and accountable for their barbaric actions…..
….you really don’t have a point do you Jimbo…
…it’s just an endless line of “What about this…What about that”. Every time your posts are refuted you just hop to something else.
You choose to be on the side of terrorist groups that want nothing more than the genocidal destruction of people who don’t share their religious beliefs….good luck with that liberal….
….I choose to stand with Freedom and the right for Israel to exist in Peace.
…Israel is not the country that talks about destroying another country on a regular basis….
…..that would be the Palestinian/Arab coalition you support so much Jimbo.
Baxter Greene on June 10, 2010 at 3:11 PM
–I’m not utterly ignoring it, but it’s a different issue. Here’s what you wrote: “It’s sorta tougher to have a thriving economy when you’re supporting a terrorist organization dedicated to the destruction of your neighboring country and its people, especially when that terrorist organization regularly seizes supplies that come into the country before they can get to the people they claim they want to help…” I took the “regularly seizes” to mean most.
–I gotta get to work. Talk about this later at some point.
Jimbo3 on June 10, 2010 at 3:13 PM
What does it matter if the Hamas cut is 90% or 10%? They are still stealing free supplies and selling them back to the Palestinians. Why is that so hard for you to acknowledge, Jimbo?
Do you think a woman can be a “little bit pregnant”?
ladyingray on June 10, 2010 at 3:13 PM
–Then you explain what I’ve said makes me one, and why. No one here has even attempted to do so when challenged, so why don’t you go first?
Jimbo3 on June 10, 2010 at 3:14 PM
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