Mike Pence warns Turkey: America will stand with Israel

posted at 7:30 pm on June 9, 2010 by Allahpundit

Fine words, guaranteed to please the conservative base, but he’s more confident about this than I am. Thanks to Turkey’s NATO status and its (rapidly deteriorating) distinction as a secular-ish Muslim state, my hunch is that Democratic and Republican administrations alike will bend over backwards in the years ahead to keep them in the western fold. Which isn’t, of course, to say that we’d side with them against Israel, merely that “triangulation” between the two nations will remain the status quo on our end unless and until Turkey throws its lot in fully, rather than partially, with Iran et al. And why would they do that? They can get a lot more out of us by being a formally friendly thorn in our side.

Even so, Noah Pollak wonders where the outrage is.

What Barack Obama clearly is not learning is that his campaign to put “daylight” between the United States and Israel is creating serious strategic risks: it is an invitation to the region’s dictators and terrorists to test just how far they can needle and provoke Israel, knowing that when they push too far — such as we saw last week with the flotilla — there will be no consequences from an American president who has proved himself virtually incapable of speaking with moral clarity about the enemies of Israel.

Over the past few months, the Turkish prime minister has staged an Islamist coming-out party, with a display of thuggish bravado matched in the region only by Nasrallah and Ahmadinejad — and Obama says nothing. Syria is supplying ever more dangerous weapons to Hezbollah, and Obama not only says nothing but is also trying to reward Syria by returning the U.S. ambassador to Damascus. Iran conspires in ever more creative ways to extend its power across the Middle East and into the Mediterranean, and Obama does nothing. He appears not even to realize that these forces are escalating their war of words and deeds against Israel as a way of humiliating America and Barack Obama himself by showing the world that a great power is doing nothing as one of its closest allies is ambushed by terrorists and pummeled by the “international community.” What we lack in military and economic strength, the Islamists are saying, we more than make up for in audacity, willpower, and solidarity with our allies. And they are right.

Speaking of “daylight,” The One met with Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas today, after which he called the Gaza blockade “unsustainable” and promised another $400 million in humanitarian aid for Palestinians . That ought to buy him a few points in Middle Eastern opinion polls as the anti-American backlash to the new Iran sanctions gets hopping.


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But will the current president?

rob verdi on June 9, 2010 at 7:32 PM

Reintroduce a resolution recognizing the Armenian Genocide.

I’ll gain a lot of respect for anyone who votes for it, conservative or liberal.

MadisonConservative on June 9, 2010 at 7:33 PM

Mike Pence warns Turkey: America will stand with Israel

Americans will, but Obama won’t.

jbh45 on June 9, 2010 at 7:35 PM

Why let Turkey stay in nato when they support Iran. How much worse can it get?

the_nile on June 9, 2010 at 7:35 PM

Stunning that Abbas got the meet-and-greet WH photo op (complete with warm handshake with Barry) and Netanyahu got completely snubbed. A disgrace.

rcpjr on June 9, 2010 at 7:36 PM

a few points in the middle eastern polls? for 400 mill?

and they WH beatches about ten mill dumped on lincoln….heh.

ted c on June 9, 2010 at 7:37 PM

Obama is already doing all he can to undermine Israel, Pence looks pretty foolish.

clnurnberg on June 9, 2010 at 7:39 PM

Stunning that Abbas got the meet-and-greet WH photo op (complete with warm handshake with Barry) and Netanyahu got completely snubbed. A disgrace.

rcpjr on June 9, 2010 at 7:36 PM

And Jewish groups are silent on this, much to my sadness. I am getting Helen Thomas and FLotilla fundraising appeals but NOTHING related to Obama’s behaviors.

clnurnberg on June 9, 2010 at 7:40 PM

And no more frikkin’ “aid” to Gaza from the U.S.!

profitsbeard on June 9, 2010 at 7:41 PM

Reintroduce a resolution recognizing the Armenian Genocide.

I’ll gain a lot of respect for anyone who votes for it, conservative or liberal.

MadisonConservative on June 9, 2010 at 7:33 PM

Yes.

Terrye on June 9, 2010 at 7:41 PM

Mike Pence warns Turkey: America will stand with Israel

you’re darn tootin’…

cmsinaz on June 9, 2010 at 7:42 PM

Americans will, but Obama won’t.

jbh45 on June 9, 2010 at 7:35 PM

Exactly, Mike Pence knows that ogabe will stand ‘with the muslims’. Didn’t he write that in the book written by ayers?

lukespapa on June 9, 2010 at 7:42 PM

And no more frikkin’ “aid” to Gaza from the U.S.!

profitsbeard on June 9, 2010 at 7:41 PM

hear hear!

cmsinaz on June 9, 2010 at 7:43 PM

But will the current president?

rob verdi on June 9, 2010 at 7:32 PM

No, of course not, he won’t, he hasn’t, he’s not going to.

Note that Obama wouldn’t so much as eat dinner in the White House (or out of it) with a visiting Netanyahu, then he also sent Netanyahu back to Israel from Canada, advising him to avoid coming to the U.S. as planned, rather than meet with him again following the Gaza Flotilla event…

THEN Obama met with Palestinian Pres. Abbas immediately in D.C. and gave the dude FOUR HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS from the U.S. taxpayers (without asking us, either).

I think most people by now know who Obama is not “standing with” and it includes: (1.) the American taxpayers and (2.) Israel.

Look how attentive Obama *suddenly* is in this photo from that meeting:

Obama Pledges New Aid for Palestinians

President Obama met with Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas at the White House on Wednesday.
By HELENE COOPER
Published: June 9, 2010

Lourdes on June 9, 2010 at 7:47 PM

I wouldn’t give the Palestinians the time of day. Where the hell does Barry get off giving them OUR MONEY? Seems if ol’ Barry wants to score points, he can dig into HIS pocket and the pocket of the DNC.

GarandFan on June 9, 2010 at 7:49 PM

How does anybody know what Obuma is going to do when even he, himself, doesn’t have a clue? The only thing we know for sure is it won’t be in the best interests of the American people.

volsense on June 9, 2010 at 7:49 PM

And no more frikkin’ “aid” to Gaza from the U.S.!

profitsbeard on June 9, 2010 at 7:41 PM

Too late! Obama just kicked the No-Aid-To-Terrorism’s ass!

Lourdes on June 9, 2010 at 7:49 PM

rcpjr on June 9, 2010 at 7:36 PM

real classy…

cmsinaz on June 9, 2010 at 7:50 PM

I wouldn’t give the Palestinians the time of day. Where the hell does Barry get off giving them OUR MONEY? Seems if ol’ Barry wants to score points, he can dig into HIS pocket and the pocket of the DNC.

GarandFan on June 9, 2010 at 7:49 PM

He wants more houses for Hamas and more Islam schools in Gaza.

Lourdes on June 9, 2010 at 7:50 PM

While you’re at it, introduce a bill prohibiting further aid to known terrorist-affiliated states, particularly Israel.

McCotter…DeMint…Pence. Come on, let’s see some action to go with your words.

Plus, I would just LOVE to see Ron Paul vote no on both that and the Armenian Genocide resolutions, which you f**king well know he will.

MadisonConservative on June 9, 2010 at 7:50 PM

Hey, just wondering, is Obama going to now be giving other people money for houses if they engage in terrorism?

This may explain what’s taking place in Mexico…

Lourdes on June 9, 2010 at 7:51 PM

Finally, Leadership!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

canopfor on June 9, 2010 at 7:56 PM

Pence will never be preznit.

Spathi on June 9, 2010 at 7:56 PM

Hasn`t he already given them an aid package, something like 900 million when he first got in office for rebuilding after the war. Why one more dime of our money should be supporting the 7th Century attitudes of those oxygen thiefs is beyond me. Next thing you know we will have art classes, bingo, and continental breakfast for the lawbreakers at our illegal immigration holding centers.

Someone please adjust the dials, I want out of this episode!

bluemarlin on June 9, 2010 at 7:58 PM

Will there be any over-sight in the 400 Million loan
to Gaza,to buy more rockets and bomb making!!

And is Ayers in Gaza lending his expertise!!(sarc)

canopfor on June 9, 2010 at 8:00 PM

“Turkey Needs To Decide”

Sorry, Mike – they already have!

honsy on June 9, 2010 at 8:00 PM

When all out war breaks out in the Middle East…

“… and Obama does nothing.”

… will be our enemies rallying cry.

Seven Percent Solution on June 9, 2010 at 8:01 PM

IDF Appoints Internal Team of Experts to Examine Flotilla Operation

Findings to be Presented by July 4th, 2010

The Chief of the General Staff, Lt. Gen. Gabi Ashkenazi has appointed Maj. Gen. (Res.) Giora Eiland to head a team of experts in order to examine the flotilla operation and establish lessons from the event.
===================================

http://idfspokesperson.com/

canopfor on June 9, 2010 at 8:02 PM

Seven Percent Solution on June 9, 2010 at 8:01 PM

*shudder*

cmsinaz on June 9, 2010 at 8:02 PM

If you question US aid to Gaza, remember also that we just abandoned our “assistance” to Egypt in constructing barriers against Gaza tunnels, after blowing a cool $500 million.

Bugler on June 9, 2010 at 8:02 PM

Mike Pence is the MAN!

So the Obami is willing to throw another 400 mil down the hole isn’t he. And by doing so, he is supporting terrorism, by 2 degrees of separation.

Lance Murdock on June 9, 2010 at 8:03 PM

The Corner notes we may want to reconsider selling Turkey the Joint Strike Fighter….agree!

ginaswo on June 9, 2010 at 8:03 PM

Since congress must appropriate the money we will find out where they stand very soon.

chemman on June 9, 2010 at 8:05 PM

The first thing we need to do is stop the transfer of F-35 related technology to Turkey.

year_of_the_dingo on June 9, 2010 at 8:06 PM

And no more frikkin’ “aid” to Gaza from the U.S.!

profitsbeard on June 9, 2010 at 7:41 PM

+1000

JetBoy on June 9, 2010 at 8:07 PM

Ha! America might stand with Israel, but I doubt that Barry O! will.

Enkidu on June 9, 2010 at 8:08 PM

The Myth of the Siege of Gaza
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http://www.jcpa.org/JCPA/Templates/ShowPage.asp?DRIT=2&DBID=1&LNGID=1&TMID=111&FID=443&PID=0&IID=4123&TTL=The_Myth_of_the_Siege_of_Gaza
================================

The Fantasy of Hizbullah Moderation
————————————-

http://www.jcpa.org/JCPA/Templates/ShowPage.asp?DRIT=1&DBID=1&LNGID=1&TMID=111&FID=442&PID=0&IID=3983&TTL=The_Fantasy_of_Hizbullah_Moderation
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From:

Jerusalem Centre for Public Affairs

http://www.jcpa.org/JCPA/index.asp

canopfor on June 9, 2010 at 8:09 PM

Hezbollah stages a provocation off the coast of Israel, and presto, whammo! Mere days later Barack Obama is on the spot handing the terrorists $400 million tax dollars, no questions asked.

An oil well blows off the coast of the United States, Bobby Jindal begs for hard boom to contain the mess and protect the nation’s wetlands and 6+ weeks later Barack Obama is still hemming & hawing and delaying getting the damn boom to him.

Maybe Jindal should stage a flotilla up the Potomac?

leilani on June 9, 2010 at 8:09 PM

Jewish Internet Defence Force
==============================

Obama meets Holocaust Denying Terrorist, Gives $400 Mil Toward Destruction of Israel. Urges Israel to work with Islamic terrorists
===================

http://www.thejidf.org/

canopfor on June 9, 2010 at 8:12 PM

If there truly is going to be,or needs to be,an *ss Kicking

its Turkey,who needs to have its derrier,booted out of

NATO,ASAP and EXPEDITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

canopfor on June 9, 2010 at 8:14 PM

Turkey’s putative flotilia will include numerous volunteer Revolutionary Guards, as well as an Iranian hospital ship to be anchored just over the Gaza boarder in Egyptian waters…

Friendly21 on June 9, 2010 at 8:16 PM

Does Obama really just get to hand out $400 million of our money, without any vote by Congress and input from voters?
Our tax money is not his personal piggy bank.

LASue on June 9, 2010 at 8:16 PM

We all know by now that Ogabe will side with the Muslims. Israel is in deep, deep trouble until we can throw that Marxist slime out of the Whitehouse.

Ogabe on June 9, 2010 at 8:23 PM

Palin/Pense 2012.

RobCon on June 9, 2010 at 8:32 PM

They wouldn’t like me in the House or Senate. I see Pence talking, and when a minute expires, they repeatedly bang that damned gavel and babble. I’m sure he heard them the first time, and rarely goes 5-10 seconds over that. What? Congress is so busy, they can’t afford 10 seconds out of their busy day of violating the Constitution? I’d've turned and told the guy: “STFU. I heard you the first time, damn it.”

As for Turkey, I never liked that country. No islamic nation is America’s friend. Never has been, never will.

Virus-X on June 9, 2010 at 8:34 PM

Pence will never be preznit.

Spathi on June 9, 2010 at 7:56 PM

Four years ago they were saying the same thing about Obambi.

sdd on June 9, 2010 at 8:35 PM

he called the Gaza blockade “unsustainable”

Not if the IDF decides that no matter what they do, they are the villians, according to the rest of the world. Once Isreal reaches the point where they don’t care about world opinion, they will not be going in with paintball guns any more, they will go live fire from the get-go and ask questions later. And I wouldn’t blame them a bit.

iurockhead on June 9, 2010 at 8:50 PM

Fine words, guaranteed to please the conservative base, but he’s more confident about this than I am. Thanks to Turkey’s NATO status and its (rapidly deteriorating) distinction as a secular-ish Muslim state, my hunch is that Democratic and Republican administrations alike will bend over backwards in the years ahead to keep them in the western fold.

It is nonsense like this by Repub’s that brought to low point we find ourselves. Just as former Commie terrorists (SDS/Weathermen) Tom Hayden & Steve Tappis in the Democratic party has been ignored and not mentioned in polite company. So to imagining Turkey as an ally in NATO is equally foolish.

Turkey needs to ejected from NATO or we pullout, its that simple. We are over extended due to not getting in substantive support from the Euros, we’ve been carry the load for far too long and we cannot afford it anymore.

It is time we start calling things as they really are and not as we would like them to be. Leave the free loaders of Europe to their own fate. Stick with proven allies, Israelis, Jordanians, Brits, Canucks, Aussies, Poles, Czechs, Columbians, Hondurans, Koreans, and possibly new alliances with Japs, Indians, Thais & Vietnamese.

Perpetuating nonsense like Turkey is an ally and Islam is a religion of peace is a luxury we cannot survive much longer, so we need to stop it, NOW!

Archimedes on June 9, 2010 at 8:54 PM

Obama is already doing all he can to undermine Israel, Pence looks pretty foolish.

clnurnberg on June 9, 2010 at 7:39 PM

Pence is challenging President Obama as well.

It doesn’t need to be said… yet. It is implicit in Pence’s speech towards any foe of Israel.

Anyone who has any sense and follows the President’s actions knows he is an anti-semite. Americans will not let President Obama turn the country against Israel, even if that means impeaching and removing him from office if necessary.

scotash on June 9, 2010 at 9:05 PM

Alot of comments to the effect that Americans will but Obama, not so much. Keep in mind that at the outbreak of the ’73 war Nixon & Kissinger tried to hold resupply to the IDF hostage to concessions from Begin at great peril to the viability of Israeli defenses. Feigning ignorance Cap the Knife Weinberger used arcane language in the regs & agreements wwe had already signed to ship tow missles and other vital supplies before the admin was even aware they were on the way. This allowed the Israelis turn back Egyptian armor in the Sinai Pennisula. The turning point of the war.

As we have seen with Patton in Europe, MacCarthur in Aisa, and Cap in the ME, the DOD often finesses ways around idiots in the Oval.

Archimedes on June 9, 2010 at 9:07 PM

the DOD often finesses ways around idiots in the Oval.

Archimedes on June 9, 2010 at 9:07 PM

Let us all hope and for those who pray, to pray, that the DOD is busy about doing that business at this very moment.

Lourdes on June 9, 2010 at 9:13 PM

Pence will never be preznit.

Spathi on June 9, 2010 at 7:56 PM

Pence has far more of a chance than Ron Paul ever will.

MadisonConservative on June 9, 2010 at 9:14 PM

What Barack Obama clearly is not learning is that his campaign to put “daylight” between the United States and Israel is creating serious strategic risks

Actually, the Chairman is only putting daylight between the US Gov’t and its own people. Keep on keepin on, nitwit.

james23 on June 9, 2010 at 9:19 PM

Pence will never be preznit.

Spathi on June 9, 2010 at 7:56 PM

Why wouldn’t he? He is someone I sure would vote for and I would love to see him run. He’s in there fighting for us.

wi farmgirl on June 9, 2010 at 9:23 PM

If you question US aid to Gaza, remember also that we just abandoned our “assistance” to Egypt in constructing barriers against Gaza tunnels, after blowing a cool $500 million.

Bugler on June 9, 2010 at 8:02 PM

Aaaaaggghh! That is the kind of stuff that makes me crazy. This is why we are going to be Greece. At least Greece just spent it on themselves and laid around not working taking vacations. We work our butts off so the boneheads in Washington can support terrorist countries. Support the whole dang world no less.

wi farmgirl on June 9, 2010 at 9:28 PM

All it took for Abbas to walk away with $400M was lunch and a tongue lashing. Priceless! Who’s the chump, here?

24K lady on June 9, 2010 at 9:28 PM

Obama, Erdogan and Ahmadinejad – The Axis of anti-Semitic Weasels.

DEBKA: After eight months of back-breaking work, the American military engineers helping Egypt build a steel anti-smuggling wall along the strategic Philadelphi Route dividing Gaza from Sinai were suddenly recalled, signaling the collapse of Egypt’s blockade of the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip. Washington thus abandoned its half-a-billion dollar investment in the joint Egyptian-Israeli siege project.

What US president Barack Obama did this week was to go back to his confrontational posture against the Israeli prime minister, at the very moment that Israeli leaders had their backs to the wall against a worldwide onslaught over the flotilla incident orchestrated from Ankara and Tehran.
Washington has now set its face on a new track: salvaging its ties with Turkey by burning the Netanyahu government.

Tav on June 9, 2010 at 9:36 PM

Saddam Hussein used to pay $25,000 for every “martyr” who died trying to kill Jews. Barack Hussein Obama is paying $400,000,000 of American tax-payer money to reward Hamas/Hezbollah/PA for trying to kill Jews.

That’ll stop em’.

DANEgerus on June 9, 2010 at 9:44 PM

Americans will not let President Obama turn the country against Israel, even if that means impeaching and removing him from office if necessary.

scotash on June 9, 2010 at 9:05 PM

I see no signs of this

clnurnberg on June 9, 2010 at 9:59 PM

Hugh Fitzgerald: We cannot, and should not, be trying the impossible in foreign policy — squandering trillions to make Iraq and Afghanistan something they cannot, because of Islam, ever be.

And similarly, we cannot, and should not, be trying to “integrate” Muslims into our societies as loyal members of Infidel nation-states, because it cannot be done, if they take their Islam seriously. And it is easy to demonstrate that, merely by going to the texts and tenets of Islam itself.

Western Europe and Israel are the real theaters of war, not Iraq, not Afghanistan, not Pakistan. Those countries should be allowed to seek their own Muslim level, and let the world watch as that happens, and let non-Muslims come to grasp all the ways that Islam itself explains the despotism, the economic backwardness, the social and intellectual and moral paralysis, of Muslim societies, and then, once a large number of non-Muslims understands this, and can speak and write about it, Muslims themselves will not be able to avoid overhearing, and will be demoralized to the extent that they realize that this is true, that it cannot be rebutted, that the blame always placed on various Infidels for everything that goes wrong in Muslim states is in fact a blame that should be placed on Islam itself.

Ataturk realized this, when he presided over a state that was about to collapse. Let there be a hundred potential Ataturks. And even if they do not succeed, work to divide and demoralize the Camp of Islam, and to end its triumphalism.

Tav on June 9, 2010 at 10:01 PM

When Pence says “we” is it him and the mouse in his pocket, or does he have a few more people in the government lined up?

Obama is not supporting Israel, neither is the State Department, the liberals in Congress, the MSM, or half of our side of the civilized world.

Good luck. This is going to get ugly.

http://truthandcommonsense.com/2010/06/09/here-we-go-biden-was-right-they-are-going-to-test-obamas-inner-strength/

archer52 on June 9, 2010 at 10:11 PM

In the end the US will stand with Israel, but it’ll take a Congressional revolt to force the administration to change direction.

JEM on June 9, 2010 at 11:39 PM

Mike Pence warns Turkey: America will stand with Israel

Yeah, that’s what he thinks.

Geez, hasn’t he noticed who’s in charge up there by now?

Dr. ZhivBlago on June 9, 2010 at 11:42 PM

Stunning that Abbas got the meet-and-greet WH photo op (complete with warm handshake with Barry) and Netanyahu got completely snubbed. A disgrace.

rcpjr on June 9, 2010 at 7:36 PM

What?! No Bow?!!

Jaibones on June 9, 2010 at 11:43 PM

A modest prediction: The Turkish military takes control of the republic within a year, excretes the worst of the Islamist tendencies, turns things back over to the civilians within 24 months thereafter, and fulfills its role to preserve Kemalism.

Just like it has done several times before. The generals have have always had final control, and they have always exercised it wisely.

Inshallah.

Pavel on June 10, 2010 at 1:03 AM

Obama divides…it’s what he does best. He separates us from our friends and allies. He separates one American from another according to their sex or race. He divides the rich from the poor and encourages the poor to take from the rich…because that’s what’s “fair”.
I’m so sick of this punk…I just can’t tell ya…

From Audacity of Hope: “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

The only promise he’s kept so far…

Army Brat on June 10, 2010 at 5:25 AM

A modest prediction: The Turkish military takes control of the republic within a year, excretes the worst of the Islamist tendencies, turns things back over to the civilians within 24 months thereafter, and fulfills its role to preserve Kemalism.

Just like it has done several times before. The generals have have always had final control, and they have always exercised it wisely.
Inshallah.
Pavel on June 10, 2010 at 1:03 AM

Unfortunately that won’t happen as Erfogen has replaces all the high mil people with Islamists to prevent that very thing.

Friendly21 on June 10, 2010 at 5:57 AM

So, Obamao borrows $400 million from the Chinese to fund Hamas terrorism in Gaza. Brilliant.

xblade on June 10, 2010 at 6:12 AM

10,000 tons? Every week? Good God, no wonder they’re attacking Israel constantly. They don’t have anything better to do! Cut off the aid and make those bastids work for a living!

Kafir on June 10, 2010 at 7:28 AM

Aaaaaggghh! That is the kind of stuff that makes me crazy. This is why we are going to be Greece. At least Greece just spent it on themselves and laid around not working taking vacations. We work our butts off so the boneheads in Washington can support terrorist countries. Support the whole dang world no less.

wi farmgirl on June 9, 2010 at 9:28 PM

–I wouldn’t go to Greece right now. There’s still some violence in the streets there. I’d be more willing to go to Turkey in terms of personal safety.

Jimbo3 on June 10, 2010 at 9:30 AM

In the end the US will stand with Israel, but it’ll take a Congressional revolt to force the administration to change direction.

JEM on June 9, 2010 at 11:39 PM

–I’m all for putting some distance between the US and Israel.

Jimbo3 on June 10, 2010 at 9:31 AM

I don’t believe that a large percentage (nearly 50%) of Turks wish to clash with the West. I’ve lived in Turkey. My experience was that the majority just want to get along and go along with the European Union SECULARLY; they wish to be recognized and accepted as modern. Unfortunately, like in America today, nearly 50% need succumb to the whims of a national administration that they do not support.

Consider, neither in Turkey, nor in America, do current circumstances reflect long term intelligent desires.

BJ Phisch on June 10, 2010 at 12:58 PM

–I’m all for putting some distance between the US and Israel.

Jimbo3 on June 10, 2010 at 9:31 AM

I find it humorous you think we all don’t know that by now.

runawayyyy on June 10, 2010 at 1:17 PM