ObamaCare could wipe out health insurance for 1 million low-income workers

posted at 10:12 am on June 8, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Well, Nancy Pelosi did tell us that we wouldn’t know what was in the ObamaCare bill until it became law.  However, this development really isn’t a surprise, but actually part of the plan.  Politico notes that as many as a million low-income workers currently covered under “mini-med” health plans will find themselves with no coverage at all, thanks to a ban on hard-cap plans offered at low cost:

Part of the health care overhaul due to kick in this September could strip more than 1 million people of their insurance coverage, violating a key goal of President Barack Obama’s reforms.

Under the provision, insurance companies will no longer be able to apply broad annual caps on the amount of money they pay out on health policies. Employer groups say the ban could essentially wipe out a niche insurance market that many part-time workers and retail and restaurant employees have come to rely on.

This market’s limited-benefit plans, also called mini-med plans, are priced low because they can, among other things, restrict the number of covered doctor visits or impose a maximum on insurance payouts in a year. The plans are commonly offered by retail or restaurant companies to low-wage workers who cannot afford more expensive, comprehensive coverage.

Depending on how strictly the administration implements the provision, the ban could in effect outlaw the plans or make them so restrictive that insurance companies would raise rates to the point they become unaffordable.

This is entirely deliberate, although Congress apparently never considered the timing.  Barack Obama and Pelosi continually harped about the “underinsured,” and the mini-med plans are what they had in mind.  They wanted to put an end to such cost-efficient plans and force employers to either provide comprehensive insurance or kick their employees into the state-run exchanges, where the newly-uninsured would get welfare payments to buy their own plans in the individual market.

Democrats will get their wish — but the employees won’t get their coverage.  The law imposes the penalties for mini-med plans in three months, but the exchanges won’t start until 2014. That means more than three years of having no insurance at all for low-income workers who previously had it, even if Obama and Pelosi sniffed at the worth of the plans.

Why did they impose the mandates first?  This was part of the “front-load” strategy of the Democrats, who wanted to implement what they thought would be the most popular components of ObamaCare immediately, in order to build support for its continuance.  Instead, the mandates will mean that mini-med plans will either cost so much that the employees can’t afford it, or more likely, the insurers will drop the plans as money-losers.  It’s a big indicator that the people who drafted the law had very little understanding of the insurance industry, or of the private sector.

It’s also worth noting the irony of the timing.  The mandates kick in in September, which is probably when the insurers will terminate the coverage.  That means up to a million people will get the first-hand impact of ObamaCare just nine weeks before going to the polls in the midterm elections.  That certainly qualifies as an unintended consequence.

Update: Bruce Kesler says that the Cadillac-plan tax will force Americans into Yugo-like coverage, but not if the government outlaws Yugos.


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Don’t worry: it’s all Bush’s fault.

Mr. Bingley on June 8, 2010 at 10:14 AM

We need the video where L’il Duce said it would take 10-15 years to implement nazionalized health care.

Destroy the existing structure. Have a vacuum. Then come in with your own plan.

rbj on June 8, 2010 at 10:16 AM

All part of the plan.

Maybe it should be called: Obama-Don’t-Care

Chip on June 8, 2010 at 10:16 AM

Politico notes that as many as a million low-income workers currently covered under “mini-med” health plans will find themselves with no coverage at all, thanks to a ban on hard-cap plans offered at low cost:

well, as long as they don’t shut off American Idol or force Pookie off the couch to do somethin’ then all should be cool because, in this demographic, they won’t be knowin’ a thing till they show up at the ER and have this little factoid brought up to them…..”whatchu mean ‘NO COVERAGE’?”

ted c on June 8, 2010 at 10:16 AM

Well hey at least it’s about another million people that might vote republican to try and get the whole mess repealed. But somehow I doubt it.

Johnnyreb on June 8, 2010 at 10:17 AM

I’m thinking PBHO wasn’t the best choice for POTUS.

Bishop on June 8, 2010 at 10:18 AM

Related (un)intended-consequences reading (also from Politico via WISN-AM’s Jay Weber) – Virginia-based nHealth is going out of business because of PlaceboCare.

steveegg on June 8, 2010 at 10:18 AM

They will all become dependent on the Dems. To live.

Mr. Joe on June 8, 2010 at 10:21 AM

Cake. Let them eat cake.

They’ll love us for it.

BobMbx on June 8, 2010 at 10:21 AM

I’m thinking PBHO wasn’t the best choice for POTUS.

Bishop on June 8, 2010 at 10:18 AM

Just now or 3 years ago? :-)

steveegg on June 8, 2010 at 10:22 AM

It’s a big indicator that the people who drafted the law had very little understanding of the insurance industry, or of the private sector.

Wow, that is a perfect description of the California Legislature!

Ditkaca on June 8, 2010 at 10:23 AM

Let’s review:
Wipe out health insurance for 1 million low-income workers while at the same time plunge the economy into a double dip depression with confiscatory taxation and oppressive regulation.

The Democrat National Socialist Party can’t be this stupid, can they?

Chip on June 8, 2010 at 10:23 AM

I’m thinking PBHO wasn’t the best choice for POTUS.

Bishop on June 8, 2010 at 10:18 AM

Ya think, DiNozzo?

Sheesh. Now I’ve got to wipe off the monitor again.

kingsjester on June 8, 2010 at 10:24 AM

WTF you can believe in!

pilamaye on June 8, 2010 at 10:24 AM

Let’s review:
Wipe out health insurance for 1 million low-income workers while at the same time plunge the economy into a double dip depression with confiscatory taxation and oppressive regulation.

The Democrat National Socialist Party can’t be this stupid, can they?

Chip on June 8, 2010 at 10:23 AM

To paraphrase Teh Won – Yes They Can!

steveegg on June 8, 2010 at 10:24 AM

This won’t just hurt low income workers. We have a plan like this because it allows my husband’s company to offer a health plan without any cost. I imagine the company will just drop coverage all together. There is no way we will be able to find a family policy on the private market for the 350 we pay now. Thanks a lot, Obama!

Vera on June 8, 2010 at 10:24 AM

It’s a big indicator that the people who drafted the law had very little understanding of the insurance industry, or of the private sector basic economics.

Fixed.

teke184 on June 8, 2010 at 10:25 AM

This bunch in Washington is so SPECTACULARLY bad at actually doing things that I suspect that if they got their way and made everyone in the country dependent on them for medical care, what they would provide would be SO bad that going without any medical care at all would be preferable.

And they’re supposedly doing all this in the name of getting medical coverage to the poor schlubs who don’t have it. (As if we didn’t already know very well that this bunch seeks only two things — money and power — and don’t care if you die in a fire without insurance.)

Aitch748 on June 8, 2010 at 10:25 AM

“It’s a big indicator that the people who drafted the law had very little understanding of the insurance industry, or of the private sector”

And they get away with it.

docflash on June 8, 2010 at 10:25 AM

This market’s limited-benefit plans, also called mini-med plans, are priced low because they can, among other things, restrict the number of covered doctor visits or impose a maximum on insurance payouts in a year.

This is sort of like a reverse deductible. Instead of paying your share first, you pay after a certain amount of benefits are paid. Unlike a deductible, it might not kick in at all if you don’t need lots of care.

What’s next, plans with high deductibles?

Akzed on June 8, 2010 at 10:25 AM

Well hey at least it’s about another million people that might vote republican to try and get the whole mess repealed. But somehow I doubt it.

Johnnyreb on June 8, 2010 at 10:17 AM

I doubt it too. They will probably blame the evil insurance companies or Bush.

Joe Caps on June 8, 2010 at 10:25 AM

I have one friend who voted for Obama and said his key issue was health care. Now that it’s passed, he doesn’t even follow the news on it. Lalala, I can’t hear you.

hawkdriver on June 8, 2010 at 10:26 AM

I would bet that most of those people voted for Obama. Those types of plans are generally bought by younger people learning personal responsibility and venturing out into the world on their own for the first time.

It will be the Obama demographic that is impacted most in my opinion.

And the timing really wouldn’t matter if that’s the case. Obama voters who feel disillusioned by Obama’s presidency so far are just not going to vote. A very small minority will make the effort to go out and vote against him.

ButterflyDragon on June 8, 2010 at 10:26 AM

I’m thinking PBHO wasn’t the best choice for POTUS.

Bishop on June 8, 2010 at 10:18 AM

I was just thinking the same thing.

But then again, it’s pretty much the first thing I think of when I wake up in the morning, and every time I hear the news.

cntrlfrk on June 8, 2010 at 10:26 AM

It appears to me that we are going to have to change the meaning of “comprehensive” in dictionaries to equal that of FUBAR.

Cindy Munford on June 8, 2010 at 10:26 AM

It’s also worth noting the irony of the timing.  The mandates kick in in September, which is probably when the insurers will terminate the coverage.  That means up to a million people will get the first-hand impact of ObamaCare just nine weeks before going to the polls in the midterm elections.

 

Too bad we can’t depend on the NSM to inform people of this fact.

All the more reason to Repeal this monstrosity.

Chip on June 8, 2010 at 10:27 AM

The nightmare is on the verge of being reality. The November elections will have serious consequences. If there is any chance we can stop the demonrats from destroying our country, it has to start there. If we move on to cap & trade and then amnesty, life as we know it will be over. The Constitution will be null and void. That seems to be the Obuma/demonrat plan.

volsense on June 8, 2010 at 10:28 AM

Obama will just kick the employers’ a$$es.

/s

Wethal on June 8, 2010 at 10:28 AM

“If you like your plan, you can keep your plan!”

forest on June 8, 2010 at 10:28 AM

This is sort of like a reverse deductible. Instead of paying your share first, you pay after a certain amount of benefits are paid. Unlike a deductible, it might not kick in at all if you don’t need lots of care.

What’s next, plans with high deductibles?

Akzed on June 8, 2010 at 10:25 AM

They will likely outlaw the low-cost high-deductible plans and HSAs too. Or at least create conditions in which they won’t work anymore. We’ll have to check with the HHS Secretary who now has dictatorial power over such things.

forest on June 8, 2010 at 10:31 AM

This won’t just hurt low income workers. We have a plan like this because it allows my husband’s company to offer a health plan without any cost. I imagine the company will just drop coverage all together. There is no way we will be able to find a family policy on the private market for the 350 we pay now. Thanks a lot, Obama!

Vera on June 8, 2010 at 10:24 AM

You sound like a typical white person. You should have planned better and put aside some of your earnings just in case the government decided to declare you a bitter, gun toting, bible clinging racist.

It’s your own fault or Bush’s.

And stop saying bad things about your leader, or he’ll kick your ass.

BobMbx on June 8, 2010 at 10:31 AM

This is just the beginnings for this Ocare. There is so much of it that hasn’t been determined yet but is up to the determination of the HHS secretary. Wait til dear leader switches from KS to a really radical progressive Dr. Mengele(sp) type.

Kissmygrits on June 8, 2010 at 10:32 AM

It’s Plan 9 from outer space.

Dhuka on June 8, 2010 at 10:32 AM

But then again, it’s pretty much the first thing I think of when I wake up in the morning, and every time I hear the news.

cntrlfrk on June 8, 2010 at 10:26 AM

You can sleep? You must not be paying attention.

BobMbx on June 8, 2010 at 10:32 AM

Just a thought, but I wonder how many of these people will simply fall back on their parents insurance? I mean a bunch of people in that demographic are in their early 20′s. Hmmmm…….

Johnnyreb on June 8, 2010 at 10:33 AM

They will likely outlaw the low-cost high-deductible plans and HSAs too. Or at least create conditions in which they won’t work anymore. We’ll have to check with the HHS Secretary who now has dictatorial power over such things.

forest on June 8, 2010 at 10:31 AM

I recall seeing a clip of an exchange between a GOP congressman (can’t recall name) and Sebelius on what would be in the basic plans offered by the exchanges. Maternity coverage was one.

The Rep pointed out that a single male would not need that. Sebelius replied, “Well, his mother might.” The Rep answered, “But he doesn’t. She had no response.

Wethal on June 8, 2010 at 10:34 AM

What’s next, plans with high deductibles?

Akzed on June 8, 2010 at 10:25 AM

Already happening – see the above news on nHealth’s folding. They specialized in high-deductible health insurance.

steveegg on June 8, 2010 at 10:36 AM

I have one friend who voted for Obama and said his key issue was health care. Now that it’s passed, he doesn’t even follow the news on it. Lalala, I can’t hear you.

hawkdriver on June 8, 2010 at 10:26 AM

That’s funny. McCain, though inept at explaining his plan, actually had the much better approach.

BuckeyeSam on June 8, 2010 at 10:36 AM

If you like your plan, you can keep your plan! or pound sand”

FIFY

motionview on June 8, 2010 at 10:37 AM

motionview on June 8, 2010 at 10:37 AM

Too much work on the FIFY, but still truthful.

steveegg on June 8, 2010 at 10:39 AM

I wonder what my dyed-in-the-wool-Democrat family members will say to this. Everytime I tell them that employers will be dropping plans, because they can’t afford them and/or because the plans themselves have gone away and that the fine will be cheaper anyway, I’m told “No-one is going to do this, they want to keep their good employees. Don’t worry about it.”

Schadenfreude is going to be a major emotion on the right for a long time, I suspect.

LibraryGryffon on June 8, 2010 at 10:39 AM

I’m thinking PBHO wasn’t the best choice for POTUS.

Bishop on June 8, 2010 at 10:18 AM

I like your posts so much. I am looking forward to the next open enrollment when Bishop “joins”! :)

ladyingray on June 8, 2010 at 10:39 AM

Already happening – see the above news on nHealth’s folding. They specialized in high-deductible health insurance.

steveegg on June 8, 2010 at 10:36 AM

I went to that link too. It’s amazing the ripple effect. I skimmed through the first 25 comments, and, while there was some finger-pointing at the company, it seemed that a lot of independents and “not-affiliateds” were complaining about Obama and Obamacare or both. And while reporting the news, I did get a vibe that the reporter was trying to run some cover for Obama.

BuckeyeSam on June 8, 2010 at 10:40 AM

I make a great spokesperson. I’m in the hospital right now after giving birth and I just found out my insurance plan is being outlawed. How’s that for a sob story that dems love so much?

Vera on June 8, 2010 at 10:41 AM

ObamaCare was DESIGNED to fail. So they could move on to what they really want, Single Payer (Government run) health care.

GarandFan on June 8, 2010 at 10:41 AM

It’s like the donk leadership is working toward destroying America and not just f*cking up at every turn.

jukin on June 8, 2010 at 10:44 AM

I went to that link too. It’s amazing the ripple effect. I skimmed through the first 25 comments, and, while there was some finger-pointing at the company, it seemed that a lot of independents and “not-affiliateds” were complaining about Obama and Obamacare or both. And while reporting the news, I did get a vibe that the reporter was trying to run some cover for Obama.

BuckeyeSam on June 8, 2010 at 10:40 AM

It is Politico after all – the spin is to be expected.

steveegg on June 8, 2010 at 10:45 AM

Obalosi.

BobMbx on June 8, 2010 at 10:46 AM

“IT’S A COOKBOOK!”

paul1149 on June 8, 2010 at 10:46 AM

My speculation is that this is deliberate. The Pelosi-Obama goal (I can’t give Reid credit for planning anything) is for there to be such a large outcry from everyone who suddenly “lost” insurance to move the benefits of ObamaCare up to 2011 rather than 2014 as in the original bill. Of course we go bankrupt sooner, but money is not a problem to wishful thinkers.

jwolf on June 8, 2010 at 10:48 AM

“IT’S A COOKBOOK!”

paul1149 on June 8, 2010 at 10:46 AM

+ eleventy for the obscure Twighlight reference and + 3,000% for it actually working with regards to Obamacare.

Johnnyreb on June 8, 2010 at 10:50 AM

“If you like your plan you can keep your plan, if it’s expensive and covers things you don’t really need, but not too expensive, or we’re hitting it with a 40% tax, and if your employer doesn’t drop coverage because “approved plans” are too expensive, and if your insurer doesn’t exit the market because of additional costs of covering new ‘pre-existing condition’ ‘customers’, or if the HHS secretary just decides to ban the type of insurance you have.

And if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor, if he/she doesn’t change careers due to low reimbursement rates from government plans (that we’ve done nothing to address) and other mandates and price controls in the law, and if they aren’t bankrupted by liability insurance costs (that we’ve done nothing about).

But other than that stuff, if you like your plan and your doctor, you can keep your plan and doctor. Honest!”

forest on June 8, 2010 at 10:50 AM

It’s all part of the plan.

lorien1973 on June 8, 2010 at 10:56 AM

I’m thinking PBHO wasn’t the best choice for POTUS.

Bishop on June 8, 2010 at 10:18 AM

Ya think, DiNozzo?

Sheesh. Now I’ve got to wipe off the monitor again.

kingsjester on June 8, 2010 at 10:24 AM

Did ya slap him on the back of the head?

annoyinglittletwerp on June 8, 2010 at 10:57 AM

Democrats will get their wish — but the employees won’t get their coverage. The law imposes the penalties for mini-med plans in three months, but the exchanges won’t start until 2014. That means more than three years of having no insurance at all for low-income workers who previously had it, even if Obama and Pelosi sniffed at the worth of the plans.

–Actually, not, Ed. The federal funding of the state high risk pools starts this year and those people will be able to buy insurance in the state high risk pools after they’ve been uninsured for six months.

Jimbo3 on June 8, 2010 at 10:58 AM

So what’s the beef here? They have Medicaid, right? I mean, who cares if honest, hard-working people who used to be able to manage their own health insurance now have to go on medical welfare? It’s not like that’s some big downer, you know, about your personal options, your citizenship, your self-respect.

We’ll all be there soon enough. Right?

J.E. Dyer on June 8, 2010 at 10:58 AM

–Actually, not, Ed. The federal funding of the state high risk pools starts this year and those people will be able to buy insurance in the state high risk pools after they’ve been uninsured for six months.

Jimbo3 on June 8, 2010 at 10:58 AM

The federal funding for state’s risk pool is limited to $5Billion, and that will run out quickly. The best part? YOU get to pay the funding with your own hard earned dollars. Free healthcare is gonna cost taxpayers a bundle.

TN Mom on June 8, 2010 at 11:06 AM

I’m off to work. Y’all have a nice day!

TN Mom on June 8, 2010 at 11:07 AM

Jimbo3 on June 8, 2010 at 10:58 AM

Actually Jimbo3, when do you qualify? I know you were keen on it starting because of your existing health condition and inability to afford coverage by other means.

hawkdriver on June 8, 2010 at 11:08 AM

The federal funding for state’s risk pool is limited to $5Billion, and that will run out quickly. The best part? YOU get to pay the funding with your own hard earned dollars. Free healthcare is gonna cost taxpayers a bundle.

TN Mom on June 8, 2010 at 11:06 AM

–States (or insurance companies) already fund high risk pools. The $5 billion is on top of that amount. And people already do have to pay to get insurance in the high risk pools.

Jimbo3 on June 8, 2010 at 11:08 AM

Jimbo3 on June 8, 2010 at 10:58 AM
Actually Jimbo3, when do you qualify? I know you were keen on it starting because of your existing health condition and inability to afford coverage by other means.

hawkdriver on June 8, 2010 at 11:08 AM

–Six months after I get terminated.

Jimbo3 on June 8, 2010 at 11:09 AM

I’m still waiting for my free rainbow.

hillbillyjim on June 8, 2010 at 11:09 AM

Can’t wait till the schlubs start bitching about the poor quality and access to health care.

Inanemergencydial on June 8, 2010 at 11:12 AM

–Six months after I get terminated.

Jimbo3 on June 8, 2010 at 11:09 AM

So, you still have a good health care plan without it? Good, I’m glad you have coverage and won’t need to rely on the government.

hawkdriver on June 8, 2010 at 11:12 AM

@JohnnyReb – it is obscure, so for those who don’t remember, the Cookbook reference is to a Twilight Zone episode where aliens come, saying they only want to serve man. And they even have a book, “How To Serve Man”, which instructs them how to do so. They convince humanity to begin visiting their distant planet. Crowds line up, boarding the space ship. But just as some of the protagonists are about to board, someone runs up, having finally cracked the language the book was written in, screaming, “TO SERVE MAN – IT’S A COOKBOOK!”

The parallels to ObamaCare should be obvious.

paul1149 on June 8, 2010 at 11:12 AM

Can’t wait till the schlubs start crabbing about the poor quality and access to health care.

Inanemergencydial on June 8, 2010 at 11:12 AM

To quote greasy Joe: “B F D”

Only this time its with a shrug instead of excitement.

kooly on June 8, 2010 at 11:12 AM

BTW Jimbo3, you missed a great chance to rebut all of those journalists who were confirming everything being said on Hot Air about Helen Thomas on another thread. I think it was, “So Now You Tell Us.”

hawkdriver on June 8, 2010 at 11:14 AM

Actually, not, Ed. The federal funding of the state high risk pools starts this year and those people will be able to buy insurance in the state high risk pools after they’ve been uninsured for six months.

Jimbo3 on June 8, 2010 at 10:58 AM

The federal funding for state’s risk pool is limited to $5Billion, and that will run out quickly. The best part? YOU get to pay the funding with your own hard earned dollars. Free healthcare is gonna cost taxpayers a bundle.

TN Mom on June 8, 2010 at 11:06 AM

And of course that means these workers will be uninsured for 6 months. All their expenses will be totally out of pocket for those six months. And the whole point of the bill was that supposedly these same low-income workers can’t afford that sort of thing, whether it’s three years or “only” six months.

LibraryGryffon on June 8, 2010 at 11:16 AM

BTW Jimbo3, you missed a great chance to rebut all of those journalists who were confirming everything being said on Hot Air about Helen Thomas on another thread. I think it was, “So Now You Tell Us.”

hawkdriver on June 8, 2010 at 11:14 AM

“Everyone is welcome in the high risk pools – except those bloodthirsty occupationist Joooos who should just go back to Silesia!” – HT

forest on June 8, 2010 at 11:18 AM

Instead, the mandates will mean that mini-med plans will either cost so much that the employees can’t afford it, or more likely, the insurers will drop the plans as money-losers.

And then the Left’s mantra will be – “Ooh, ooh, look what those evil insurance companies did, for no good reason. We warned you that they only cared about money.”

katiejane on June 8, 2010 at 11:19 AM

BTW Jimbo3, you missed a great chance to rebut all of those journalists who were confirming everything being said on Hot Air about Helen Thomas on another thread. I think it was, “So Now You Tell Us.”

hawkdriver on June 8, 2010 at 11:14 AM
“Everyone is welcome in the high risk pools – except those bloodthirsty occupationist Joooos who should just go back to Silesia!” – HT

forest on June 8, 2010 at 11:18 AM

–Go back on the other thread. The full tape is up. Helen also said “why push people out who have lived there for centuries”, which still leads me to believe she was talking about the Occupied Territories.

Jimbo3 on June 8, 2010 at 11:23 AM

I’m still waiting for my free rainbow.

hillbillyjim on June 8, 2010 at 11:09 AM

Scr*ew your rainbow.
I specifically requested a Pegasus or a Griffin and I have yet to received either one.
Being that I live in Chicago the ‘lightworker’ should be giving MY desires priority.

annoyinglittletwerp on June 8, 2010 at 11:24 AM

–Go back on the other thread. The full tape is up. Helen also said “why push people out who have lived there for centuries”, which still leads me to believe she was talking about the Occupied Territories.

Jimbo3 on June 8, 2010 at 11:23 AM

That doesn’t support your argument. She’s talking about Israel proper. Otherwise she would have suggested Israelis go home to Israel, not Europe.

forest on June 8, 2010 at 11:37 AM

So Far, we’ve learned that Obama-don’t-Care or National Socialist Healthcare is going to cost way more than projected, destroy the existing system, most likely bankrupt the country and be as efficient as the DMV, Postal service, Census with the compassion and caring of the IRS.*

Now, why are we doing this?

*(did I leave anything out?)

Chip on June 8, 2010 at 11:38 AM

The mandates kick in in September, which is probably when the insurers will terminate the coverage. That means up to a million people will get the first-hand impact of ObamaCare just nine weeks before going to the polls in the midterm elections. That certainly qualifies as an unintended consequence.

Wrong. This is timed perfectly for teh ONE to demonize the insurance industry, and more importantly, everyone who dared vote against obamacare. Remember, he promised the dems they could run on this and win.

AlexJ on June 8, 2010 at 11:39 AM

–Actually, not, Ed. The federal funding of the state high risk pools starts this year and those people will be able to buy insurance in the state high risk pools after they’ve been uninsured for six months.

Jimbo3 on June 8, 2010 at 10:58 AM

You’re of course assuming this is up and running and funded. The White House has already missed at least 4 different deadlines to enact regulations that I know of- and they were small items.

Remember Jimbo- these people are incompetent. Honest.

Chuck Schick on June 8, 2010 at 11:47 AM

So, Zero the Clueless Socialist wants to make 100% of Americans totally dependent upon the State.

This is different how?

SeniorD on June 8, 2010 at 11:52 AM

Go back on the other thread. The full tape is up. Helen also said “why push people out who have lived there for centuries”, which still leads me to believe she was talking about the Occupied Territories.

Jimbo3 on June 8, 2010 at 11:23 AM
That doesn’t support your argument. She’s talking about Israel proper. Otherwise she would have suggested Israelis go home to Israel, not Europe.

forest on June 8, 2010 at 11:37 AM

–It means she was talking about Israel’s official acts, like forcing Palestinians to move in connection with the 1948 War or from settlements in the Occupied Territories. (And, yes, I know Israelis and Jews were similarly forced to move by the Arab countries and the 1948 War.)

Jimbo3 on June 8, 2010 at 11:57 AM

–It means she was talking about Israel’s official acts, like forcing Palestinians to move in connection with the 1948 War or from settlements in the Occupied Territories. (And, yes, I know Israelis and Jews were similarly forced to move by the Arab countries and the 1948 War.)

Jimbo3 on June 8, 2010 at 11:57 AM

Wow, you will say anything, support anything, spin anything to support a lefty or a lefty cause. You have never been one to let facts or logic get in your way.

Obama promised everyone they could keep their plans. Now comes word that such was never his intent or ever true. And you spin by saying “but they can go into state high risk pools” – which may or may not be true, and certainly the states who are in financial straits right now can’t afford if true. But it’s still all rainbows and unicorns and free health care for everyone under obamacare in your book. He’s still smart, competent and honest despite all the evidence to the contrary. I suppose “keep your plan” meant something different to you?

Monkeytoe on June 8, 2010 at 12:02 PM

Monkeytoe, see below. We don’t know how this will be interpreted or what the rate impact will be.

Depending on how strictly the administration implements the provision, the ban could in effect outlaw the plans or make them so restrictive that insurance companies would raise rates to the point they become unaffordable.

And no one is saying that health care will be free.

Jimbo3 on June 8, 2010 at 12:12 PM

As Gomer used to say “Surrprise surrprise! You think of everthang Barney!”

Herb on June 8, 2010 at 12:40 PM

Monkeytoe, see below. We don’t know how this will be interpreted or what the rate impact will be.
Depending on how strictly the administration implements the provision, the ban could in effect outlaw the plans or make them so restrictive that insurance companies would raise rates to the point they become unaffordable.
And no one is saying that health care will be free.
Jimbo3 on June 8, 2010 at 12:12 PM

Okay, so you saying that we can trust the Democrat National Socialist Party not to implement that law they created so as to get to their left time holly grail of a single payer system…

That’s a good one – you should write for Comedy central.

And no one is saying that health care will be free.

You mean besides the Democrat National Socialist Party implying that all through the campaign?

Chip on June 8, 2010 at 12:45 PM

Do you mean to tell me that, in the socialist utopia Team Obama and Congressional Democrats are creating, companies are going to react differently than expected? Doesn’t SOCIAL ENGINEERING always achieve its intended results?

olesparkie on June 8, 2010 at 12:58 PM

Commerce Clause!

Del Dolemonte on June 8, 2010 at 1:17 PM

The Totalitarian gubment can tell these providors they can raise rates and tell them to raise coverage. No problem.

seven on June 8, 2010 at 1:38 PM

“IT’S A COOKBOOK!”

paul1149 on June 8, 2010 at 10:46 AM

+ eleventy for the obscure Twighlight reference and + 3,000% for it actually working with regards to Obamacare.

Johnnyreb on June 8, 2010 at 10:50 AM

It was WAAY before “Twilight”…an old SF short from the 50′s, called “To Serve Man”. Aliens show up…and, well…

Who is John Galt on June 8, 2010 at 1:47 PM

Can’t find a reference except TTZ..I want to say is was Cornbluth…probably wrong…here we go, Damon Knight (per WikiPedia…which is usually accurate on geeky things like this).

Who is John Galt on June 8, 2010 at 2:02 PM

“Soylent Green” is probably a better prediction of the end result of ObamaCareLess and World Communism.

Who is John Galt on June 8, 2010 at 2:06 PM

Obamyopia.

LarryG on June 8, 2010 at 2:58 PM

Medical Marijuana Seen as Key to Success of ObamaCare

Mervis Winter on June 8, 2010 at 10:54 AM

I think Marijuana is more likely a cause of than a solution to ObamaCare.

Merovign on June 8, 2010 at 4:46 PM

–States (or insurance companies) already fund high risk pools. The $5 billion is on top of that amount. And people already do have to pay to get insurance in the high risk pools.

Jimbo3 on June 8, 2010 at 11:08 AM

Not everyone has the money to pay to join the high-risk pools yet Obamacare will FORCE everyone to have health insurance. This will push approx 39 MILLION people in Tennessee onto Medicaid. Democrat TN Gov Breseden expects Obamacare to add $1.4 BILLION (YEARLY) due to the expansion of state medicaid. It is going to be a massive tax increase or a huge cut in education, per TN leglistators.

TN Mom on June 8, 2010 at 4:49 PM

And of course that means these workers will be uninsured for 6 months. All their expenses will be totally out of pocket for those six months. And the whole point of the bill was that supposedly these same low-income workers can’t afford that sort of thing, whether it’s three years or “only” six months.

LibraryGryffon on June 8, 2010 at 11:16 AM

That was exactly the problem with TennCare: Low-income workers could not afford out-of-pocket expenses nor the monthly premiums. TennCare almost bankrupted our state.

TN Mom on June 8, 2010 at 4:56 PM

Not everyone has the money to pay to join the high-risk pools yet Obamacare will FORCE everyone to have health insurance. This will push approx 39 MILLION people in Tennessee onto Medicaid. Democrat TN Gov Breseden expects Obamacare to add $1.4 BILLION (YEARLY) due to the expansion of state medicaid. It is going to be a massive tax increase or a huge cut in education, per TN leglistators.

TN Mom on June 8, 2010 at 4:49 PM

–The coverage mandate doesn’t kick in until 2014.

Jimbo3 on June 8, 2010 at 5:23 PM

Small-business owners, the self-employed and contract employees also can buy this type of coverage. Well, could buy this coverage anyway. Heck of a job, Barry!

Philly on June 8, 2010 at 5:28 PM

They will likely outlaw the low-cost high-deductible plans and HSAs too. Or at least create conditions in which they won’t work anymore. We’ll have to check with the HHS Secretary who now has dictatorial power over such things.
-forest

Obamacare reduces the contributions to tax-sheltered flexible spending accounts (FSA’s) to $2,500 a year, from $3,000 a year. Obama is making it harder for people to pay for their own care.

Obamacare also excludes the cost of over the counter drugs as eligible expenditures from MSA/Flex/Health Savings accounts.

Obamacare increases the tax on distributions from a health savings account.

It also raises threshold for claiming itemized tax deduction for medical expenses from 7.5% of income to 10%

redeye on June 8, 2010 at 7:35 PM

Not everyone has the money to pay to join the high-risk pools yet Obamacare will FORCE everyone to have health insurance. This will push approx 39 MILLION people in Tennessee onto Medicaid. Democrat TN Gov Breseden expects Obamacare to add $1.4 BILLION (YEARLY) due to the expansion of state medicaid. It is going to be a massive tax increase or a huge cut in education, per TN leglistators.

TN Mom on June 8, 2010 at 4:49 PM

The New York Times had an article on this yesterday:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/08/us/08medicaid.html

At least 30 states already have budget shortfalls and can’t pay for the health care for the poor. When Obamacare shifts even more of the financial burden of the uninsured to the states, deep cuts to education, social services and public safety will be needed. Even more of the poor and elderly will suffer without health care and public services.

Even more distressing, apparently there is an indecipherable section in Obamacare that is titled “To Serve Man.” Pelosi has said we need to pass it to find out what it actually contains. Hopefully we can trust Obama to help serve us.

redeye on June 8, 2010 at 7:40 PM

Jimbo3 on June 8, 2010 at 11:23 AM

Stubborn tool

Attorney my arse

CWforFreedom on June 8, 2010 at 8:12 PM

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