Scarborough on Helen Thomas: Come on, she’s super old; Update: Don’t be so hard on her, says Nation editor
posted at 6:31 pm on June 7, 2010 by Allahpundit
Really? This is going to be the (semi-)defense?
SCARBOROUGH: All I can say is this. And I think I can say this, because I’m a pro-Israeli guy that was, like, 100 percent with AIPAC or whatever. 89. I don’t want my parents on TV now and they are not 89. And I know your dad is good [Pointing to Mika] But most people in their 80s are going to say things they shouldn’t say because people in their 80s aren’t the people they have been for the past 50, 60, 70 years.
BRZEZINSKI: Actually, you can argue they are better because they are exactly who they are because they don’t care as much about, you know- they just say it…
SCARBOROUGH: My parents say things and I’m like, you know what? Close the door and do not say that. Love them, they are great, but as- I just think that you cut them slack. I think you cut her slack at 89. Somebody goes and talks to her and says, “Helen, you know what? Smile in the front row and ask a question every once in a while.”
BRZEZINSKI: Joe, just go to sports.
I can’t find the vid but here’s a snippet from the same segment, where you’ll find Savannah Guthrie making the “maybe she didn’t know what she was saying” argument and Scarborough observing that he wouldn’t want someone sticking a camera in his grandmother’s face and asking pointed questions. Two things, though. One: Most grandmothers aren’t used to contentious back-and-forths in front of a lens. Thomas has been doing it for decades. If she can’t be trusted to give a coherent answer when asked a simple question about foreign policy, why has she been allowed to take up space in the daily briefings since my dad was in his teens? Two: Righties love to take digs at her age, partly to suggest that her bias comes from senility, but truth be told, I can’t remember ever seeing her come off as incoherent in the press briefing. For a woman her age — 90 this year — she’s actually remarkably cogent and vibrant. If you believe that she belched up that “Jews out of Israel” soundbite due to some passing fugue state, you probably also believe that Mel Gibson really did go off on that Jewish cop that time only because he was drunk, not because he let his guard down and said what he really thought. She’s been asking questions about the “brutal military occupation and suppression” in the Holy Land for years, and like Jonah Goldberg says, she’s been a nasty piece of work for decades. Why give her the benefit of the doubt because of her age now?
Alarming exit quotation from veteran journalist Matt Welch: “Show me the world’s most intractable problems–the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the inability to produce mass amounts of energy without negatively impacting the environment, the search for a beer that tastes great and is less filling–and I’ll show you reporters in bars having conversations worthy of the Alex Jones show.”
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Update: What’s the big deal, wonders Nation editor Katrina vanden Heuvel.
Thomas opened many doors for women journalists; she was the first woman officer of the National Press Club after it opened its doors to women members, the first woman member and president of the White House Correspondents Association and the first woman member of the Gridiron club. In 1998, Thomas was honored by President Clinton as the first recipient of the Helen Thomas Lifetime Achievement Award. She will mark her 90th birthday on Aug. 4.
None of these prestigious firsts or awards protected Thomas from the firestorm that followed her remarks. Time columnist Joe Klein wrote that Thomas should be stripped of her privileged seat in the White House briefing room. Her remarks were offensive, but considering her journalistic moxie and courage over many decades — in sharp contrast to the despicable deeds committed by so many littering the Washington political scene — isn’t there room for someone who made a mistake, apologized for it and wants to continue speaking truth to power and asking tough questions?
For an example of the “tough questions” vanden Heuvel is so impressed with, see here. Plain and simple: What Thomas said wasn’t a “mistake.” There’s no reason to think that it doesn’t represent her actual view. The only mistake was being candid about it. That being so, why give her a platform? Or rather: Why continue to give a platform to an 89-year-old instead of to a younger, more deserving journalist?









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Meh, Scarborough – always the tool, or is it fool?
KickandSwimMom on June 7, 2010 at 6:35 PM
All the more reason for her to leave.
SouthernGent on June 7, 2010 at 6:35 PM
Wow. Stereotyping old people now? That’s rather age-ist of Scarborough.
Firefly_76 on June 7, 2010 at 6:35 PM
Age is supposed to bring wisdom. How did she manage to get a job 70 years ago?
Vashta.Nerada on June 7, 2010 at 6:36 PM
Joe Scarborough and Pat Robertson are really becoming useful idiots aren’t they?
portlandon on June 7, 2010 at 6:36 PM
Please stop putting pictures of that woman up this close to dinner. More Megan, less Helen.
dirtseller on June 7, 2010 at 6:36 PM
I know my elderly relatives covering the White House from the front row tend to go on antisemitic, anti-Israeli rants on camera.
amerpundit on June 7, 2010 at 6:36 PM
joe, you’re killin me…
can’t believe it but i’m agreeing with mika on this one…
cmsinaz on June 7, 2010 at 6:36 PM
indeed!
cmsinaz on June 7, 2010 at 6:37 PM
Well, for one, if that’s the case, and it really is just that she’s old and old people say the darndest things, then she still should be out of a job. I wouldn’t want my grandmother questioned like that (or maybe I would, I’ve never heard her make a comment I’m embarrassed by), and she doesn’t put herself out like that.
For another, when we talk about old people just saying things like that, are we pretending they don’t actually mean what they’re saying, or are we, like Mika here, realizing that they simply don’t filter themselves the way younger people do?
Esthier on June 7, 2010 at 6:38 PM
That picture of Helen gives me the shivers, and not in a Chris Matthews kind of way.
stldave on June 7, 2010 at 6:41 PM
Joe is super-douchy. Mega-moonbat Mara Liasson is missing from the Fox News Special Report panel tonight. Hmmmmm….
Philly on June 7, 2010 at 6:41 PM
Ah, the Uncle Leo defense. Never works, even in TV-fantasy land.
LastRick on June 7, 2010 at 6:42 PM
If she didn’t know what she was saying, she should have been cut a long time ago…
MeatHeadinCA on June 7, 2010 at 6:43 PM
Robertson or Buchanan? Either way, they both say stupid sh!t.
Monica on June 7, 2010 at 6:43 PM
Well, you know what? I couldn’t give a wet bag of horse crap as to what Joe Scarecrow thinks, feels or does. If he’s so upset about that old, racist, bigoted hag running for the hills, he can get on the broom with his mommy, and they can both disappear, together. I’m pretty sure we can survive without Thomas and Scarecrow.
Virus-X on June 7, 2010 at 6:44 PM
A friend of mine and I had this conversation just the other day. His mom had adopted a little girl from China, and when they went to visit their 88 year old Grandmother for the first time the grandma said “Ohhh look at the little slant-eyed. She’s cute.” Everyone freaked out, and Grandma didn’t know what she had done to make everyone so shocked. Old people either don’t have filters, or never used them in the first place. Its a generational thing. They can’t be PC because it was WAY before their time.
Helen Thomas cannot get a pass on this however. She was a working White House correspondent. It was time for Helen Thomas to go. This latest tirade of hate from here was just a cherry on top of her Jew hate filled career.
portlandon on June 7, 2010 at 6:45 PM
BTW, my great-grandmother was pretty sharp in her lat 80′s early 90′s. Maybe Joe’s just being an age-ist.
MeatHeadinCA on June 7, 2010 at 6:45 PM
Good catch. I meant to say Buchanan. Pat Buchanan.
portlandon on June 7, 2010 at 6:45 PM
Ever consider the possibility your parents might just be friggin’ idiots Joe?
Tim Zank on June 7, 2010 at 6:46 PM
Here’s the thing. While the one Grandmother said something that is no longer acceptable, she wasn’t being hateful and she didn’t want to treat the little girl differently because of her genetics.
Helen wanted to take the Jews (non-Palestinians) out of power and have them leave.
I’m guessing that had your friend’s grandmother suggested treating Chinese people different than other people, your friend would have been outraged (rightfully so).
MeatHeadinCA on June 7, 2010 at 6:47 PM
She meant what she said.
If the age had any impact it was that she just doesn’t care to hide her antisemitism anymore.
forest on June 7, 2010 at 6:51 PM
Okay I do agree that she is very old and old people say the darndest things.
But what they say also reveals a lot about what they have been thinking and couldn’t say until they were very old.
Most old people who say things that are off base don’t have the power that Helen Thomas had. (Jimmy Carter is another one… the bigger they are the harder they fall.)
Now she has lost her power let her say and think the thoughts of an old loveless, childless woman who apparently has said she wakes up and wonders what she will hate today.
Because her earthly life will certainly end within a few years, no one will defend her politics at her funeral. This will be her legacy, she will always be known as a Jew hater. Everything she has accomplished will be tainted with her last public croaks of bigotry.
Live by the pen, die by the pen.
petunia on June 7, 2010 at 6:51 PM
Helen Thomas throwing her own poo at Rober Gibbs while yelling profanity in the briefing room you can attribute to being “really old and senile”.
Anti-Semitism is not because you are old and senile it’s because you are a Jew hater period.
Chrisin206 on June 7, 2010 at 6:51 PM
she would NOT be saying this if a conservative said something like this…
what a hypocrite!!
cmsinaz on June 7, 2010 at 6:52 PM
The hypocrisy, it burns my eyes!!
jukin on June 7, 2010 at 6:52 PM
Isn’t there more videos coming to refute this claim?
the_nile on June 7, 2010 at 6:52 PM
the msm is defending her but realize that they can say something stupid and lose their jobs too.
Interesting how reality is setting in.
upinak on June 7, 2010 at 6:52 PM
How old is Obama (peace be upon him)?
MeatHeadinCA on June 7, 2010 at 6:53 PM
So according to The Nation, a “Mistake” is when someone answers truthfully to a question put before them?
Helen Thomas’ answer was not a mispronunciation, or a spelling error. She stated what she actually thought and got caught.
portlandon on June 7, 2010 at 6:53 PM
I mean seriously, if this is a result of Helen lapsing into some old memory or something, what was she channeling? The anti-Jew Summer camps of the 1940s?
MeatHeadinCA on June 7, 2010 at 6:54 PM
You forgot sexy…
Seven Percent Solution on June 7, 2010 at 6:55 PM
Katrina vanden Heuvel has an old photo (circa 80′s) of her in front of the Kremlin as her Twitter background.
amerpundit on June 7, 2010 at 6:55 PM
Is this why Robert Byrd is off limits?
MeatHeadinCA on June 7, 2010 at 6:56 PM
Wasn’t this also the defense used for Rev. Wright? He was like a crazy old uncle. Sorry but that doesn’t excuse anti-Semitic or anti-American remarks.
Doughboy on June 7, 2010 at 6:56 PM
LOL, this is the spin already emerging from the C-BS radio station in Boston.
The Talking Points have already been widely spread, just like manure on a freshly-plowed field.
Del Dolemonte on June 7, 2010 at 6:56 PM
Perhaps the elderly shoot from the hip a bit more readily than someone younger. But, does that indicate senility? Or that they simply concealed their views before?
*shudders*
Bee on June 7, 2010 at 6:57 PM
Let’s just stop a moment and ponder this idea. So when we get old and possibly suffer dementia we go antisemitic? Because I don’t believe that if I ever suffer from dementia the thing I will be ranting about is them evil Jooos.
Seriously. If this is a defense it is horrible. It seems to me someone suffering from dementia would be exposing their deepest and darkest secrets. So demented or no, Helen hates the Jooos, right?
NotCoach on June 7, 2010 at 6:58 PM
Time to pass the torch to a younger ultra-lefty anti-Semite — one who can be trusted to not be so honest about her views.
notropis on June 7, 2010 at 6:58 PM
Much better.
DrAllecon on June 7, 2010 at 6:58 PM
Well he is right: Old people don’t know how to censor themselves. My grandmother never hesitated to say what was on her mind either, even when it was probably left unsaid or at least put a little more politely. You lose your inhibitions when you age. That being the case — and this is where I part ways with MNSBC’s phony token “conservative” — her comments in that tape should be given even moreweight. Everyone knows the old bat has always been an anti-Semite, but at least she used to be a little more nuanced about it when she was younger, or tried to be. But now her unvarnished Jew hatred is right out there for all the world to see and there’s really no parsing it. That these chuckleheads at MSNBC are even trying — when even the WH itself is denouncing it — is pretty pathetic.
It’s good she’s gone. A columnist doesn’t belong in the front row of the White House Press Corpse anyway, and at 89, she doesn’t have a lot of life left to live. She will probably find she’s happy to have some free time to do some things she’s always wanted to do, like travel, write a book, whatever.
NoLeftTurn on June 7, 2010 at 6:59 PM
Are they saying that age excuses bigotry?
jjrakman on June 7, 2010 at 6:59 PM
Lets see,
checking my Grand Journalist Liberal Purge List,
I can scratch Helen off,and what amazes me,I had
her at No. 44!!!!!(Sarc).
canopfor on June 7, 2010 at 7:00 PM
d1carter on June 7, 2010 at 7:01 PM
At least the WH had the good sense to throw her under the bus.
Schadenfreude on June 7, 2010 at 7:02 PM
And where oh where will she travel? Ideas?
MeatHeadinCA on June 7, 2010 at 7:02 PM
I wonder if when I am old will the conservative thinking I say out loud embarrass my grandchildren?
I hope not. I hope my way of thinking becomes the norm.
But it feels like all of society is trying to brainwash common sense away.
I imagine when Helen Thomas was a girl… before Hitler… there was much more anti-semitism and it was not disgraceful. It was normal.
Perhaps she reverted to the teachings of her childhood.
At any rate it is better for the country that she be retired. She has done nothing positive any many a long year.
petunia on June 7, 2010 at 7:02 PM
Joe is really an imbecile if he thinks Thomas didn’t have a well documented history of being a hard core leftist and general scumbucket.
I would imagine most of these liberal media pricks would have no issue with Israel going away, since they regard them as the moral equivilent of the South African Boers.
jjshaka on June 7, 2010 at 7:03 PM
For example, another ground-breaking female journalist:
Hannah Giles.
Spirit of 1776 on June 7, 2010 at 7:03 PM
Okay… is she going to be like some who after they “retire” die in 3 months or less?
upinak on June 7, 2010 at 7:03 PM
Crap! Hit strike instead of quote…
d1carter on June 7, 2010 at 7:03 PM
Republican says something stupid,
AND LIBERALS ORDER LIFE BANISHMENT!!
=========================
However,
——-
Liberals say something stupid,
and they said THEIR SORRY,ALL IS FORGIVEN!!!!!!!!
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canopfor on June 7, 2010 at 7:04 PM
One week younger than me.
And I have five grandchildren. He is a late bloomer.
petunia on June 7, 2010 at 7:05 PM
right on…hypocrisy to the nth degree
cmsinaz on June 7, 2010 at 7:05 PM
I dunno Katrina, ask George Allen.
kooly on June 7, 2010 at 7:09 PM
Immunity.
Patrick Ishmael on June 7, 2010 at 7:09 PM
Jerusalem of course! All old people want to go to Jerusalem don’t they?
petunia on June 7, 2010 at 7:10 PM
Or Trent Lott.
KickandSwimMom on June 7, 2010 at 7:12 PM
Helen is still upset from when Moses brought the tribes in from the desert when she was a little kid…
phreshone on June 7, 2010 at 7:15 PM
Her statements made no factual sense. I would have liked to see someone challenger her with some real facts and see her try to defend herself.
rhombus on June 7, 2010 at 7:15 PM
Let’s just consider what the Nation and these fools are suggesting
It’s perfectly ok to go ape over made up statements by Rush Limbaugh which suggested without any proof whatsoever that Rush approved of the person who killed MLK
It’s perfectly ok to take Sean Hannity out of context for two seconds to suggest he approves of Tim McVeigh and thus prove that all Conservatives are racists
It’s NOT OK to take Helen Thomas at her words and suggest she’s a rotten anti-semite because “she has opened doors for people” and “she really doesn’t mean it”, also without proof.
Great, good to know where i stand
Defector01 on June 7, 2010 at 7:15 PM
What are 2 things never to be said had Thomas been a republican for $400, Alex.
lorien1973 on June 7, 2010 at 7:15 PM
Scarbourough is a joke.
therightwinger on June 7, 2010 at 7:16 PM
More disturbing than the vanden Heuvel article is some of the comments there, several of them supposedly by Jews, who actually support what Thomas said.
pedestrian on June 7, 2010 at 7:18 PM
Or Don Imus.
Good Solid B-Plus on June 7, 2010 at 7:18 PM
His twitter feed is worshipping Bobby Kennedy at the moment. (@joenbc)
therightwinger on June 7, 2010 at 7:18 PM
Deliberate Massascre!!-Helen Thomas
==================================================
If ANY Other Nation Had Done This We’d Be Up In Arms! Helen Thomas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTmZV8hGZXY&feature=PlayList&p=BD9B3ED8F19E9D1B&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=99
canopfor on June 7, 2010 at 7:20 PM
Victor Davis Hanson sums up the pustule that Helen Thomas’s remarks represent: http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YjcyYjE1NTg2ZmY2NzRhNzhmMTUxN2E2OTI5NDRlODI=
onlineanalyst on June 7, 2010 at 7:20 PM
First Joe lost his political soul then he lost his good sense and went to work for MSNBC .Then he lost his radio program and now he’s lost what little mind he had left.This is what happens to RINO’S . Old Joe likes to tell people he left congress because he got tired of all the fighting.But the word is he left because he was going to loose in a primary challenge to a true conservative .
thmcbb on June 7, 2010 at 7:23 PM
Here’s a tough question you should ask Ms Thomas, Katrina; “Helen, when the Jews return to Poland and Germany do you want to be the first one to start up the ovens again?”
Helen Thomas is no different than the UCSD muslim woman that told David Horowitz that she agreed with having the Jews in one place so it would be easier to kill them all.
TugboatPhil on June 7, 2010 at 7:24 PM
Soiling herself and stinking up the press room would be a mistake that people could forgive her for (taking into accounther age)as they regain consciousness.
The stain inside her mind, on her soul, that caused her to say what she said; that was no mistake. That’s just a nasty closed minded human being letting her mental anti semitic freak flag fly. To hell with her.
austinnelly on June 7, 2010 at 7:25 PM
Jeeeeee-zus Joe! Will you please give up the need to be patted on the head by the liberals? Grow a set.
..you need to consign this woman to the scrap heap of history and move on.
The War Planner on June 7, 2010 at 7:25 PM
LET THE EXCUSES BEGIN! Because most of the MSM AGREE WITH HER!
GarandFan on June 7, 2010 at 7:25 PM
Maybe a younger relative of Thomas can become a hot Twitterer: “Sh!t
My Dad Saysa Nasty Old Antisemite Hag Says!”forest on June 7, 2010 at 7:25 PM
This is in no way an excuse,for older people,a few
years back,while chatting with my grandmother,and
the news came on,and it was about African Americans,
and she said a few words that I will never uttter,
and I can tell you,my jaw hit the floor,I was in a
aghast in horror,trying to find some way to say,umm
Grandma,um,I can not believe what you just said!!
Later on,talking to my wife I was just stunned
and shocked that my Grandmother would ever say
that phrase!!
canopfor on June 7, 2010 at 7:30 PM
That was an excellent post! I am going thru the same thing.
Dire Straits on June 7, 2010 at 7:33 PM
Blah, blah, blah…. When you’re 90 years old you’re going to be first at a lot of things. Sure doesn’t mean she deserved any of the honors or accolades.
Vince on June 7, 2010 at 7:35 PM
Katrina van den Heuvel is wrong. Ms. Thomas did not make a “mistake”. She honestly shared her opinions. They revealed her to be a vicious anti-semite and she had to deal with the fallout. The freedom of speech comes with the freedom for other people to tell you your speech stinks, they don’t agree with you, and they think you’re a crazy, hateful idiot for thinking that way. Ms. Thomas got to express her viewpoint freely. The rest of us got to express our viewpoints freely. Some of her former associates decided they didn’t want to associate with her anymore. That’s life in a free country.
Jill1066 on June 7, 2010 at 7:39 PM
canopfor on June 7, 2010 at 7:30 PM
=======================================
That was an excellent post! I am going thru the same thing.
Dire Straits on June 7, 2010 at 7:33 PM
Dire Straits:My grandmother passed two years ago,at the time
of my incident,she was about 85,but what gets
me,is she always said,if you have nothing nice
to say,don`t say it!!
And when we were out and about,she never remark
ed or ever made any derogatory comments about
anyone,group or otherwise!!—-:)
canopfor on June 7, 2010 at 7:40 PM
God bless our grandmothers and mothers!:)
Dire Straits on June 7, 2010 at 7:43 PM
If she didn’t know what she was saying, maybe she shouldn’t have been in the front row of White House press conferences all these years.
malclave on June 7, 2010 at 7:47 PM
Sixty years ago, racism and anti-Semitism were much more openly expressed than they are today. Society has evolved past that, and some senile people might conceivably flash back to that. What Thomas said though is still current thinking in parts of the world, and because of that it cannot be tolerated coming from a seat of honor in the White House, whether it is due to senility or not. If Hearst wants to express that opinion, that is their right, but it is also their right to fire her in case she did not quit.
pedestrian on June 7, 2010 at 7:47 PM
I thought Charles Krauthammer had an interesting insight about Helen Thomas: He thinks she should have kept her job so she could explain herself. I doubt she would ever do that.
Philly on June 7, 2010 at 7:52 PM
The witch finally hopped on a broom and flew into retirement.
Couldn’t have happened to a ‘nicer’ one.
Schadenfreude on June 7, 2010 at 7:56 PM
Most senile people, whatever their views, are not esteemed WH correspondents.
Her sin was in saying out loud what liberals truly believe in their hearts, but would like to be hidden.
Dhuka on June 7, 2010 at 7:58 PM
LOL – are the other recipients going to put their trophies in the closet now? Will anyone want this award ever again?
VidOmnia on June 7, 2010 at 7:59 PM
The Democrats need a whole apartment complex.
Caper29 on June 7, 2010 at 8:06 PM
I used to think Joe would stick up for the conservatives, but I’ve given up. He continually compliments his partner about her wonderful father. Zbigniew Kazimierz Brzezinsk is anti Jew just as much as poor old helen. It’s funny if they don’t talk the wh line, they get calls or emails, so that they stay on the talking points they have been given. Joe thinks obambi is doing a good job. He will never point out all the things he has done wrong, nor how long he spends in the wh doing his job, especially this last month and a half.
Bambi on June 7, 2010 at 8:30 PM
What’s down in the well, comes out from the bucket.
Helen is a Jew hater and no longer hides it.
Her career will always be remembered by her parting comment,
whatzit2u on June 7, 2010 at 8:35 PM
I watched Special Report this evening and Charles Krauthammer said Helen Thomas should not have retired. That surprised me.
I think her age might have been a factor in her candor, but I think that she meant exactly what she said.
Terrye on June 7, 2010 at 8:41 PM
Does anybody even watch Morning Joke ??
cableguy615 on June 7, 2010 at 8:56 PM
Helen did not turn into a witch when she turned 89, she already was one. For a long time.
pgrossjr on June 7, 2010 at 9:00 PM
Age is no excuse for racist rants, especially in professional circles.
scotash on June 7, 2010 at 9:03 PM
So can we use the pillow on her now?
TexasJew on June 7, 2010 at 9:09 PM
Vanden Heuvel is such a hypocrite. She’s never give the benefit of the doubt to, say, Sarah Palin if Palin made a “mistake” like this. She wouldn’t do it to any conservative voice who made such a “mistake.”
The desire and tendancy to try and defend this kind of old-school anti-semitism is just astonishing.
Equally astonishing: why American Jews continue to flock to the liberals and the Democrats at the ballot box.
MikeknaJ on June 7, 2010 at 9:10 PM
canopfor on June 7, 2010 at 7:40 PM
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God bless our grandmothers and mothers!:)
Dire Straits on June 7, 2010 at 7:43 PM
Dire Straits: Amen on that !:)
canopfor on June 7, 2010 at 9:21 PM
“He’s old, under heavy stress and has Parkinson’s Disease. So let’s lay off any criticism of Adolph Hitler!!!” Is this Dimwitted Joey f’ing crazy? Age didn’t save Bernie Madoff either.
MaiDee on June 7, 2010 at 9:48 PM
The problem as I see it isn’t that she’s a nut job so much as that there are very few people who are allowed access to the important information, and those who are in control of what information gets through are the worst people in the country. None of us personally know anyone as evil as Helen Thomas, which is why none of us know anyone with the top tier access of a Helen Thomas or a Sandy Berger.
The very worst people rise to the top in a society that doesn’t diligently purge its very worst people. To the very top. They are the motivated.
Buddahpundit on June 7, 2010 at 9:49 PM
Joe is such a wanker, you can’t expect much better from him.
disa on June 7, 2010 at 9:55 PM
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