Americans blame flotilla organizers for violence

posted at 3:35 pm on June 7, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Perhaps the only surprising outcome of the Rasmussen poll of likely voters on the Mavi Marmara incident is the striking, if unenthusiastic, consensus on blame.  Just short of a majority of all respondents blame the violence in the flotilla challenge to the Gaza blockade on the flotilla organizers (49%), while only a fifth blame Israel (19%).  The rest of the voters either don’t know or don’t care much about the issue:

Forty-nine percent (49%) of U.S. voters believe pro-Palestinian activists on the Gaza-bound aid ships raided by Israeli forces are to blame for the deaths that resulted in the high-profile incident.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that just 19% of voters think the Israelis are to blame. Thirty-two percent (32%) more are not sure.

But 51% say Israel should allow an international investigation of the incident. Twenty-five percent (25%) agree with the Israeli government and reject the idea of an international probe. Another 24% are undecided.

Thus far, support for Israel doesn’t appear to be overtly partisan.  Almost two-thirds of Republicans blame the pro-Palestinian activists (65/11), but a plurality of Democrats do as well (37/26), while independents almost exactly parallel the topline number (47/19).  Majorities of white and “other” ethnicities support Israel, but so do a plurality of black voters, while support for Palestinians is actually lower than in the general population (31/15).  Every age demographic has at least a plurality supporting Israel (with 18-29YO voters the smallest at 32/24).  The same is true for the income demos as well.

So who does blame Israel?  Not surprisingly, self-professed liberals, although by a small plurality, 34% to 28%.  Moderates support Israel, but also by a thin plurality, 33/27.  Those who “lean” into the political class also support the Palestinians, 31/21, but oddly those who fully embrace political-class status support Israel by a majority, 53/31.

For US policymakers, the lesson from these numbers should be clear.  Americans want to support Israel, and either way, they’re not terribly engaged about the controversy.


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Americans want to support Israel, and either way, they’re not terribly engaged about the controversy.

Sinking Iranian ships or the Turk PM might engage them.

Akzed on June 7, 2010 at 3:39 PM

I blame Bush, myself. He is apparently the source of all bad things that could possibly happen, ever.

TheQuestion on June 7, 2010 at 3:39 PM

This can’t be right. The UN and France both agree with Obama that Israel acted stupidly!!!

/libs

VelvetElvis on June 7, 2010 at 3:40 PM

Self-obsessed…er…I mean self-professed liberals would be singing a different tune if Hamas rockets were raining down on their neighborhoods, and their kids had to travel in armored buses to school to protect them from snipers.

Bishop on June 7, 2010 at 3:40 PM

So, BHO is in the group that blames Israel then…

d1carter on June 7, 2010 at 3:42 PM

But yet….the Jews are mostly liberal and vote liberal, so they must be blaming themselves.

PatriotRider on June 7, 2010 at 3:43 PM

(with 18-29YO voters the smallest at 32/24).

Sometimes I don’t know what my generation is doing anymore. That number should be higher than 32%, but it ain’t.
O~0

FontanaConservative on June 7, 2010 at 3:43 PM

Bishop on June 7, 2010 at 3:40 PM

Don’t be so sure. Remember the lib Rep who was hit by the illegal alien about a week ago, yet still supports quasi-citizens rights for the “undocumented”?
Ya can’t fix stupid.

VelvetElvis on June 7, 2010 at 3:43 PM

keep getting this story out there. These whack jobs are hell bent on killing Israelis and destroying Israel. Israel, despite its failings, has no help, there are only 5-6 million of them—and the world is against them.

alas, as it is written, “If God is for us, who can be against us.”

Israel–take heed.

ted c on June 7, 2010 at 3:44 PM

I think people are getting tired of this whole thing.

Terrye on June 7, 2010 at 3:44 PM

But 51% say Israel should allow an international investigation of the incident.

Why should they? Any international “investigation” is going to convienently find Israel to blame.

crazy_legs on June 7, 2010 at 3:45 PM

Just short of a majority of all respondents blame the violence in the flotilla challenge to the Gaza blockade on the flotilla organizers (49%), while only a fifth blame Israel (19%).

Mainstream media’s credibility hardest hit.

forest on June 7, 2010 at 3:47 PM

Just one more subject that our kleptocrats and the people disagree on.

jukin on June 7, 2010 at 3:47 PM

What happens to Bonnie(Burnitdown) Dorn and Billy(puttin on airs) Clyde?

BL@KBIRD on June 7, 2010 at 3:47 PM

I can’t believe Helen Thomas doesn’t have more influence.

Oh wait, maybe she does.

NoDonkey on June 7, 2010 at 3:47 PM

You’d think that, after 9-11, more people would recognize an act of jihad for what it is. But, the media and the political class have done their best to paper over that issue, leading to the feeble numbers seen in that poll.

irishspy on June 7, 2010 at 3:48 PM

“What’s wrong with these people? They believe their own eyes, instead of our reporting?” – CBS program director

Vashta.Nerada on June 7, 2010 at 3:50 PM

Self-obsessed…er…I mean self-professed liberals would be singing a different tune if Hamas rockets were raining down on their neighborhoods, and their kids had to travel in armored buses to school to protect them from snipers.

Bishop on June 7, 2010 at 3:40 PM

If you think about the aftermath to 9/11, it was libs who pleaded with us to look at root causes or wondered aloud why Atta and co. didn’t kill in another city instead. You know, a city where they voted Republican.

Nope, I think they’d drop trow and assume the position.

KGB on June 7, 2010 at 3:52 PM

Let the Flotilla Party Begin ” Sinko Goodbyo ” — That’s a Hot one …

wheels on June 7, 2010 at 3:53 PM

Forty-nine percent (49%) of U.S. voters believe pro-Palestinian activists on the Gaza-bound aid ships raided by Israeli forces are to blame for the deaths that resulted in the high-profile incident.
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It sure would be awfully nice if the IDF got their hands
on Dhorns and Ayers,onboard any boat that was part of the
Flotilla of the Poor Palestians Plight Parade!!!!!!!!

canopfor on June 7, 2010 at 3:54 PM

Almost two-thirds of Republicans blame the pro-Palestinian activists (65/11), but a plurality of Democrats do as well (37/26), while independents almost exactly parallel the topline number (47/19).

translation: it’s okay to sink the next one.

glug….glug.

crime don’t pay

ted c on June 7, 2010 at 3:54 PM

I think that it’s finally dawning on the American public with more than two brain cells that the Lame Stream Media is corrupt, totally partisan and Leftist, is manipulative and lies all the times and therefore has no credibility…there!

CCRWM on June 7, 2010 at 3:55 PM

So, BHO is in the group that blames Israel then…

d1carter on June 7, 2010 at 3:42 PM

Him and Rashidi, Ayers, Dorhn, and Jodie Evans…

clnurnberg on June 7, 2010 at 3:55 PM

Bibi—dude, maybe a little Mossad help with nabbing Ayers and Dohrn and extracting a little overdue justice???, IYKWIMAITYD…

balaclavas…snatch..jumper cables…you know the drill

ted c on June 7, 2010 at 3:57 PM

Self-obsessed…er…I mean self-professed liberals would be singing a different tune if Hamas rockets were raining down on their neighborhoods, and their kids had to travel in armored buses to school to protect them from snipers.

Bishop on June 7, 2010 at 3:40 PM

That could never happen because those same liberals would have all been destroyed in the previous war and would never have gained or kept the contended territory.

They really are for peace, see?

Heralder on June 7, 2010 at 3:59 PM

Not to worry the MFM will continue with the narrative that “the world” objects to Isreali’s “agression” and inflate/distort America’s sympathy with the Arabs in palestine (ther’s no such thing as a Palestinian, check your history books, no such peoples are Identified prior to 1967) which will be fraudently used to justify negative responses from Int’l bodies.

Reality has no bearing on progressives as everything is subjective and open to interpetation, except from those who disagree wth them.

Archimedes on June 7, 2010 at 4:10 PM

Your average American knows a Darwin Award candidate when they see one.

percysunshine on June 7, 2010 at 4:11 PM

So who does blame Israel?
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Liberals chasing spooks,me thinks!!

canopfor on June 7, 2010 at 4:11 PM

This endless Islamic war against Israel and the west has to come to a head eventually so why not now? Direct Iranian and Turkish involvement together with Obamas weak response should just about push it over the edge.

docdave on June 7, 2010 at 4:14 PM

Why doesn’t Israel just push them to Syria, Lebanon, and Jordan?

Tim Burton on June 7, 2010 at 4:17 PM

Any other conclusion would truly prove idiotic.

CynicalOptimist on June 7, 2010 at 4:19 PM

Breakdown of Humanitarian Aid to the Gaza Strip in 2009-2010, 6 June 2010
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The document below is a detailed breakdown of humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip in 2009-2010. The statistics include the amount of trucks and tons of aid imported in each year, as well as what goods were imported into the Strip.(PDF)
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http://idfspokesperson.com/

Jewish Internet Defence Force
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http://www.thejidf.org/

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Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs
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http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA

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More links,with Dutch Support from the Netherlands,
and News Reporting sites in support of Israel,scroll
down to the right
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Middle East Affairs Information Centre

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA

canopfor on June 7, 2010 at 4:22 PM

Obama appoints Helen Thomas to post as Ambassador to Isreal in 3…..2……1….

PappaMac on June 7, 2010 at 4:24 PM

Is it just me, or does Helen Thomas look like Walter Mathau with breast implants?

percysunshine on June 7, 2010 at 4:26 PM

Try this again,seems to be a problem with links
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Israel Defence Forces Spokesperson

http://idfspokesperson.com/
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Jewish Internet Defence Forces

http://www.thejidf.org/
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Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA
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canopfor on June 7, 2010 at 4:28 PM

Thus far, support for Israel doesn’t appear to be overtly partisan. Almost two-thirds of Republicans blame the pro-Palestinian activists (65/11), but a plurality of Democrats do as well (37/26)

I guess that all depends on what the meaning of overtly partisan is, and what the meaning of sex is and what the meaning of is, is.

Good Lord! 65 to 11 is almost 6 to 1. 37 to 26 is not even 1.5 to 1. What’s next? Their is no overt difference between Sarah Palin and Helen Thomas’s looks?

Tav on June 7, 2010 at 4:30 PM

Why don’t the Palestinians just get the hell out of Gaza and go back home…

PatriotRider on June 7, 2010 at 4:34 PM

I saw the headline and got excited! Silly me, I thought it the American GOVERNMENT that finally regained consciousness. I should have known better.

oldleprechaun on June 7, 2010 at 4:35 PM

Torpedo the ships and blame it on the North Koreans.

barnone on June 7, 2010 at 4:41 PM

Sent from my iPhone

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Self-obsessed…er…I mean self-professed liberals would be singing a different tune if Hamas rockets were raining down on their neighborhoods, and their kids had to travel in armored buses to school to protect them from snipers.

Bishop on June 7, 2010 at 3:40 PM

 

I have decided the next time I have to get into this argument, I am going to just start throwing things randomly at whoever I am talking to, wadded up paper , pennies, whatever I have handy. Just every sentence or so, toss one at them and completely ignore any reply they give to me. Act like it never happened until they get really aggravated and then tell them, “it isn`t really hurting you when I throw pennies at your head, it is just an inconvenience” . They most likely will still miss the point but it will be fun, maybe a “What right do you have to be standing in the way of the things I am throwing?” Maybe that stupid of a question will wake them up.

 

 

bluemarlin on June 7, 2010 at 4:47 PM

Is it just me, or does Helen Thomas look like Walter Mathau with breast implants?

percysunshine on June 7, 2010 at 4:26 PM

Ewww! Very floppy, wrinkly implants.
Ok. I’ve made myself sick.

Shambhala on June 7, 2010 at 4:56 PM

If the Turkish PM puts himself in a position where he can be sunk by Israel, then he’s incompetent and should be removed.

mojo on June 7, 2010 at 5:27 PM

Forty-nine percent (49%) of U.S. voters believe pro-Palestinian activists on the Gaza-bound aid ships raided by Israeli forces are to blame for the deaths that resulted in the high-profile incident

It seems like daily my faith in America is being restored.

Anyone with a brain knows it was a set up.

CWforFreedom on June 7, 2010 at 6:02 PM

I have a list of celebrities for the Iranian ship if Israel is truly going to blow it out of the water.

Hening on June 7, 2010 at 6:15 PM

Why do Europeans knee jerk blame Jews for things?

I mean everything, historically whatever goes wrong is always the Jews fault.

Where does this come from? The same attitude as Helen Thomas. The belief that if something goes wrong in the world there must be Jews at the root.

It is bizarre. It isn’t based on logic or experience.

And it isn’t like Jews are very different ethnically. I was like twenty-five or so before I even realized there was such thing as a Jewish sounding name. And my sister is married to a Jew! And has been since I was 12. I didn’t have a clue. I’m sure I knew Jews my whole life and never knew it.

petunia on June 7, 2010 at 6:22 PM