Quotes of the day

posted at 9:30 pm on June 5, 2010 by Allahpundit

Foreign Ministry officials said Saturday that Israel would not apologize to Turkey for the deaths of nine Turkish pro-Palestinian activists who were killed during the Israel Navy’s raid on the Turkish-flagged ‘Freedom Flotilla’ ship earlier this week.

A top official in the Foreign Ministry, who wished to remain anonymous, said that the Turkish demand for an official apology was mainly an excuse to allow Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s to cut diplomatic ties with Israel.

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The list of recent moves by the Netanyahu government that potentially threaten American interests has grown steadily, many foreign policy experts argue. The violence that broke out when Israeli commandos stormed aboard a Gaza flotilla last week chilled American relations with a key Muslim ally, Turkey. The Gaza fight also makes it more difficult for America to rally a coalition that includes Arab and Muslim states against Iran’s nuclear ambitions. Mr. Netanyahu’s refusal to stop Jewish housing construction in Arab East Jerusalem also strains American ties with Arab allies. It also makes reaching an eventual peace deal, which many administration officials believe is critical to America’s broader interests in the Muslim world, even more difficult…

More recently, Daniel Levy, director of the Middle East Task Force at the New America Foundation and a member of J Street, said in an interview: “America has three choices. Either say, it’s politically too hot a potato to touch, and just pay the consequences in the rest of the world. Or try to force through a peace deal between Israelis and Palestinians, so that the Palestinian grievance issue is no longer a driving force or problem.” The third choice, he said, “is for America to say, we can’t solve it, but we can’t pay the consequences, so we will distance ourselves from Israel. That way America would no longer be seen, as it has been this week, as the enabler of excesses of Israeli misbehavior.”

Unsurprisingly, Mr. Levy advocates the second choice. But he warns that the third may become more palatable to Americans if Mr. Netanyahu’s government stays on its present course.

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In politically splintered Israel—the joke about “two Jews, three opinions” is an understatement in a country with over thirty political parties—Israelis are massively divided about issues like settlements and the peace process. But this week, fed up with what they view as an onslaught of unfair global criticism of their country, young Israelis—the ones who don’t typically care about politics, and even many from the left-wing—were atypically unified and mobilized in full nationalist fervor in defense of Israel. Pro-Israel demonstrations have been held across the country, and huge numbers of Israelis are enlisting their Facebook pages and email accounts to present Israel’s side of the story to the world…

So do Israelis really think they’re right and the rest of the world is wrong? The short answer is yes. A poll of Israel’s Jewish population by the daily Maariv from June 2 found that about 95% of respondents agreed it was necessary to stop the vessel. Many Israelis are critical of the handling of the raid, but not of the decision to stop the aid ships or the Gaza blockade policy in general…

“It’s not easy seeing the whole world against you,” he said. “It isn’t fun.” But he does see one silver lining in Israel’s predicament. “If there’s one good thing about the whole world hating us, it’s that suddenly we like ourselves more, that it forces us to become united. Everyone thinks the same thing. It hasn’t been like that for years.”


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Inanemergencydial on June 6, 2010 at 12:57 AM

The former :)

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on June 6, 2010 at 1:15 AM

So do Israelis really think they’re right and the rest of the world is wrong?

I agree 100 percent with the Israelis, and it’s good to see Israel finally asserting that point. For the rest of the world it’s time to put up or shut up and if that forces a war so be it as that is better than this phony diplomacy which always make Israel the fall guy.

docdave on June 6, 2010 at 1:18 AM

An empty suit in the White House emboldens all kinds of opportunitsts. Zero probably likes the idea that by his neglect he’s following the lessons Revrum’ Wrong taught him.

viking01 on June 5, 2010 at 9:45 PM

You know, I went to bed last night thinking about how Obama’s intentional weakness and his intentional weakening of the US is emboldening our enemies (just the way he planned)… but then:


Pamela reminds me it’s so much more than that.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on June 6, 2010 at 1:28 AM

THE MOOPS ARE COMING!!!11

abobo on June 6, 2010 at 1:49 AM

Reached for comment, Helen Thomas said the Israelis should relax and catch a shower.

andycanuck on June 6, 2010 at 1:52 AM

How much is Saudi Arabia contributing to Obama’s reelection fund?

ignatzk on June 6, 2010 at 2:47 AM

How much is Saudi Arabia contributing to Obama’s reelection fund?

ignatzk on June 6, 2010 at 2:47 AM

Pssst……
Saudis don’t contribute
They invest
;-)

macncheez on June 6, 2010 at 3:03 AM

More recently, Daniel Levy, director of the Middle East Task Force at the New America Foundation and a member of J Street, said in an interview: “America has three choices.

Bullshit.

hillbillyjim on June 6, 2010 at 3:26 AM

Both President Obama and Gen. David H. Petraeus, who oversees America’s wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, have made the link in recent months between the long-running Arab-Israeli conflict and American security interests. During a press conference in April, Mr. Obama declared that conflicts like the one in the Middle East ended up “costing us significantly in terms of both blood and treasure”; he drew an explicit tie between the Israeli-Palestinian strife and the safety of American soldiers as they battle Islamic extremism in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere.

More bullshit.

hillbillyjim on June 6, 2010 at 3:27 AM

Israel is the only country in the region with a semblance of a democratic government, and these tools want to turn our backs to them when they have their very existence on the line?

Somebody needs to do a spine insertion on our so-called leaders.

hillbillyjim on June 6, 2010 at 3:29 AM

THE MOOPS ARE COMING!!!11

abobo on June 6, 2010 at 1:49 AM

Bubble-Boy begs to differ.

hillbillyjim on June 6, 2010 at 3:30 AM

It is going to be extremely difficult to win a war in which you are too feckless to call the enemy by name.

hillbillyjim on June 6, 2010 at 3:39 AM

Lets hope we all have a peaceful 6-6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9_bP219ehQ&feature=ytn%3Amptnews
Proud
always and forever

macncheez on June 6, 2010 at 6:17 AM

macncheez on June 6, 2010 at 6:17 AM

That made me cry and cheer!
Thank you and God bless you for sharing that!

Jenfidel on June 6, 2010 at 6:27 AM

O/T
but it needs posting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjS0Novt3X4&feature=popt00us10

macncheez on June 6, 2010

OH YEAH!

Sent that out via e-mail and Facebook. I can’t imagine who will bid on the construction.

katy the mean old lady on June 6, 2010 at 7:08 AM

macncheez on June 6, 2010 at 6:17 AM
That made me cry and cheer!
Thank you and God bless you for sharing that!

Jenfidel on June 6, 2010 at 6:27 AM

Me too!!! With people like the singer and those in the tea parties, there is still hope for this country.

docdave on June 6, 2010 at 7:35 AM

macncheez on June 6, 2010 at 6:17 AM

When I first saw this video yesterday afternoon [posted by a Freeper], it only had 800 hits. We need to pass this around to make it go viral. Maybe Ed or AP will headline it?

lukespapa on June 6, 2010 at 7:35 AM

Never forget.
Randy

williars on June 6, 2010 at 7:58 AM

The Pro-Israel rally in London:

http://www.thejc.com/videos/news-videos/the-pro-israel-demonstration-london

uptight on June 6, 2010 at 8:21 AM

Both President Obama and Gen. David H. Petraeus, who oversees America’s wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, have made the link in recent months between the long-running Arab-Israeli conflict and American security interests. During a press conference in April, Mr. Obama declared that conflicts like the one in the Middle East ended up “costing us significantly in terms of both blood and treasure”; he drew an explicit tie between the Israeli-Palestinian strife and the safety of American soldiers as they battle Islamic extremism in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere.

More bullshit.

hillbillyjim on June 6, 2010 at 3:27 AM

In a way it is not completely bullshit. There is a reason that Hamas and its ilk have no desire for peace with Israel, they use the present situation to stoke the flames. They know what they are doing. Patreaus’s point was not that Israel was at fault for the situation, but that the terrorists use it…and no doubt they do. That is why they have no desire to make peace with Israel.

Terrye on June 6, 2010 at 8:30 AM

How about a fourth option: Our forces are drawing down out of Iraq this year and next. Move them to Gaza. They have peacekeeping/nation building skills and have picked up some Arabic along the way. Have them disarm those bloodthirsty animals and sit on them until they cry uncle.

Kafir on June 6, 2010 at 8:35 AM

He says that the words are not directly from Petraeus’s mouth. So what!? Max Boot, himself admits, in his stunningly incompetent “defense” of Petraeus, that they are from the Central Command “Posture Statement” filed by his [Petraeus's] staff. If it’s his staff’s, it’s his. Period. That’s the way it works in civilian life and it’s certainly true in the Army, and in spades.

Petraeus’s staff would never-never-never have dared to put anything in there that he didn’t want in there, and I would certainly think he read it [only 56 pages], unlike congressman not reading the 2,000+ page ObamaCare bill.

Tav on June 6, 2010 at 12:12 AM

You called Max Boot a moron?? Come on.

Listen, I don’t know what your problem is, but Patraeus was not going after Israel as the source for all the problems or something. McCarthy just went off the deep end and then the issue just sort of died once it was pointed out that he took a rather mild reference and went crazy with it.

The point is not that Patraeus is refuting the language, he did not say he did not want it in there, if you look at the post from Boot I linked it is one lousy paragraph…and all it says is that the continued dispute between Israel and its neighbors adds to the instability of the region…and frankly I think you would have to be dense not to see that. Just look at the propaganda machine in the Arab world. They love this stuff. Why else do you think they harass the Israelis the way they do?

Terrye on June 6, 2010 at 8:40 AM

In fact this is what Patraeus actually said:

We keep a very close eye on what goes on there [in Israel and the West Bank and Gaza Strip], because of the impact that it has, obviously, on that part of CENTCOM that is the Arab world, if you will. And in fact, we’ve urged at various times that this is a critical component. It’s one reason, again, we invite Senator Mitchell to brief all of the different conferences that we host, and seek to support him in any way that we can when he’s in the Central Command part of the region, just as we support Lieutenant General Dayton, who is supporting the training of the Palestinian security forces from a location that is in the CENTCOM AOR as well.

And in fact, although some staff members have, various times, and I have discussed and — you know, asking for the Palestinian territories or something like that to be added to — we have never — I have never made that a formal recommendation for the Unified Command Plan, and that was not in what I submitted this year. Nor have I sent a memo to the White House on any of this — which some of this was in the press, so I welcome the opportunity to point that out.

Again, clearly, the tensions, the issues and so forth have an enormous effect. They set the strategic context within which we operate in the Central Command area of responsibility. My thrust has generally been, literally, just to say — to encourage that process that can indeed get that recognition that you talked about, and indeed get a sense of progress moving forward in the overall peace process, because of the effect that it has on particularly what I think you would term the moderate governments in our area. And that really is about the extent of our involvement in that, Senator.

It would seem to me that when we are dealing with an adversary as vicious as AlQaida and Hezbellah and Iran we do not need to be parsing words with one another and creating divisions where they do not need to be.

Terrye on June 6, 2010 at 8:49 AM

I’m afraid I’m going to out-live Israel.

forest on June 6, 2010 at 9:01 AM

So do Israelis really think they’re right and the rest of the world is wrong? The short answer is yes. A poll of Israel’s Jewish population by the daily Maariv from June 2 found that about 95% of respondents agreed it was necessary to stop the vessel. Many Israelis are critical of the handling of the raid, but not of the decision to stop the aid ships or the Gaza blockade policy in general…
I am not so sure the rest of the world thinks they are wrong. I know fanatics in the ME think they are wrong and the mullahs think they are wrong and the anti semites in Europe think they are wrong and even some loons like Ron Paul think they are wrong..but you know what? Those people do not represent the world. People on the left and their useful idiots like to think they are the entire world..but they are wrong. When the Tea Party people went out into the streets we were told they were a fringe group..because the whole world loves Obama. And now we are told the whole world hates Israel and feels sorry for Hamas. I doubt that. I think the world is full of people who think the Israelis have been harassed for decades by a bunch of crazy ass neighbors who can not get it together to even run their own countries.

Terrye on June 5, 2010 at 9:56 PM

I couldn’t agree with you more, Terrye. This argument of kowtowing to some contrived “world opinion” is the childish refrain of adolescents whose fallback position is that “everybody else is doing it.” The “world opinion” brayers are also like shallow adolescents who seek group-think popularity at the expense of adult conviction. It is difficult to maintain values of righteousness in a world of childish peer pressure.

onlineanalyst on June 6, 2010 at 9:13 AM

It had better be shouted from the rooftops on talking head programs, in news articles/editorials, and in Congress about the role that the Turkish-sponsored flotilla group and its other sponsors are implicated in assorted terror campaigns/plots. The world needs to wake up, and in order to do so, it needs accurate information, not propaganda filtered and controlled by pro-Islamic mouthpieces.

onlineanalyst on June 6, 2010 at 9:22 AM

Mr. Levy advocates the second choice. But he warns that the third may become more palatable to Americans if Mr. Netanyahu’s government stays on its present course.

….the third may be become more “tasty and delicious” to the Muslim sympathizers in the Administration because they really want to spank Israel. In fact, I believe some in the Administration would like to do a lot worse.

The media would be on board, now all that the Administration needs is to provoke a confrontation with the Israelis that results in American soldiers fighting Israel itself, then they could swing American voters by framing Israel as the real enemy. This relationship (with the DESTROYER in the White House) is going to turn upside down.

The Libs/Marxists/Mods in both parties like to say there needs to be another Superpower in the world besides the U.S. to counter balance the West, etc.

There is another superpower in the World………and it’s ISRAEL. Watch and see.

PappyD61 on June 6, 2010 at 9:41 AM

many foreign policy experts argue

Code for the slimy never leaving their job Marxists/ Communists sympathizers in the State Department and Media.

PappyD61 on June 6, 2010 at 9:44 AM

Ah yes, the never-ending dream of a “peace process.” Because we all know that all Hamas wants is to live peacefully with Israel in their own nation of Palestine with the right to immigrate in unlimited numbers to their ancestral homes inside of Israel to abide peacefully with the Jews. It’s not as though they want to murder as many Jews as they can and want it so badly that they are not just willing, but eager to commit suicide to take as many of them as they can. No, and it’s not as though the peaceful people of Gaza and the West Bank voluntarily elected Hamas to rule them.

And of course, if only Israel were disarmed Hamas, Hezbollah (and their Iranian/Syrian allies) would be allowed to exterminate these troublesome Jews then we’ll have a peaceful world and can all sing Kumbaya together in 50 different languages.

Oh how nice it must be to be a liberal and have all the answers, with a metaphysical certainty, on how to bring peace to this contentious world of ours. If only us troglodytes who oppose them would learn to listen to our betters.

MJBrutus on June 6, 2010 at 9:49 AM

I’m afraid I’m going to out-live Israel.

forest on June 6, 2010 at 9:01 AM

If you (and I) do live long enough to see such a terrible day, you can bet your a$$ that they’ll go down fighting. If such a day were to come about I can predict that a hell of a lot of people in Syria and Iran won’t live to see the end of that day.

MJBrutus on June 6, 2010 at 9:52 AM

couldn’t agree with you more, Terrye. This argument of kowtowing to some contrived “world opinion” is the childish refrain of adolescents whose fallback position is that “everybody else is doing it.” The “world opinion” brayers are also like shallow adolescents who seek group-think popularity at the expense of adult conviction. It is difficult to maintain values of righteousness in a world of childish peer pressure.

onlineanalyst on June 6, 2010 at 9:13 AM

And who decides what that so-called world opinion is anyway? I think it is just another means by which the liberal media and their compadres try to control the masses. People like to be in the majority, it makes them feel secure.

Terrye on June 6, 2010 at 10:01 AM

The controversy of Zion continues, sigh…

Neocons, your beef is not with the Palestinians, your beef is with Jesus Christ. He of Judah-Levi.

True_King on June 6, 2010 at 10:24 AM

Where’s Ed?

Cindy Munford on June 6, 2010 at 10:31 AM

OT:

On ABCNews Sunday Panel it is Liz Cheney and George Will versus Markos Kos and Arianna Huffington. There’s enough material here for two weeks of blog posts. (fortunately Liz Cheney is having none of ZhaZha’s crap)

Marcus on June 6, 2010 at 11:11 AM

Terrye wrote:

And who decides what that so-called world opinion is anyway? I think it is just another means by which the liberal media and their compadres try to control the masses. People like to be in the majority, it makes them feel secure.

Exactly right insofar as it goes, but those who shape opinion don’t try, they do shape opinion. We know, for example, officials in the Obama Administration coordinate messaging with high-level MSM stakeholders. These people determine The Narrative: those stories pushed to the forefront, the slant and the spin to be taken on those stories, and those stories to be buried and ignored. Promotion of The Narrative isn’t confined to straight news reporting either; it is promoted through talk shows, television sitcoms and dramas, feature films, popular music, art, everywhere. The American public is saturated with spin. Currently, Israel is being vilified on a global scale for intercepting boats attempting to breach a blockade conducted against a known terrorist organization. Only a tightly networked and coordinated media effort could manage to paint Israel as the villain in that scenario.

Propaganda works.

troyriser_gopftw on June 6, 2010 at 11:11 AM

Where’s Ed?

Cindy Munford on June 6, 2010 at 10:31 AM

Seduced by Helen Thomas?

katy the mean old lady on June 6, 2010 at 11:12 AM

This is a little creepy. Who wants to call in a missing person report?

katy the mean old lady on June 6, 2010 at 11:18 AM

I’m afraid I’m going to out-live Israel.

forest on June 6, 2010 at 9:01 AM

Isaiah Chapter 35

1 The wilderness and the parched land shall be glad; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose. 2 It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice, even with joy and singing; the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the excellency of Carmel and Sharon; they shall see the glory of the LORD, the excellency of our God. {P}

3 Strengthen ye the weak hands, and make firm the tottering knees. 4 Say to them that are of a fearful heart: ‘Be strong, fear not’; behold, your God will come with vengeance, with the recompense of God He will come and save you. 5 Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped. 6 Then shall the lame man leap as a hart, and the tongue of the dumb shall sing; for in the wilderness shall waters break out, and streams in the desert. 7 And the parched land shall become a pool, and the thirsty ground springs of water; in the habitation of jackals herds shall lie down, it shall be an enclosure for reeds and rushes. 8 And a highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called the way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those; the wayfaring men, yea fools, shall not err therein. 9 No lion shall be there, nor shall any ravenous beast go up thereon, they shall not be found there; but the redeemed shall walk there; 10 And the ransomed of the LORD shall return, and come with singing unto Zion, and everlasting joy shall be upon their heads; they shall obtain gladness and joy, and sorrow and sighing shall flee away. {S}

Regards from Jerusalem, the eternal capital of the Jewish world, where my parents, my wife, our children and our grand-children reside.

Shy Guy on June 6, 2010 at 11:40 AM

The controversy of Zion continues, sigh…
Neocons, your beef is not with the Palestinians, your beef is with Jesus Christ. He of Judah-Levi.
True_King on June 6, 2010 at 10:24 AM

I know I’ll get sh** for feeding a troll, but, what the hell is that all about?

To me the controversy is that too many Christians are ecumenical, granted- no arguement there. But I wouldn’t call it a beef. Every non-Christian religion denies Christ, or at least who he truly is. The hard truth that most Christians can’t accept is that no exception is made to the one and only way. And that includes the once chosen. But they are no more an enemy than Islam. A religion that promotes false ideas about Christ seems, to me, far more damaging than that has the honesty to deny him outright.

abobo on June 6, 2010 at 11:59 AM

katy the mean old lady on June 6, 2010 at 11:12 AM

Oh dear!

Cindy Munford on June 6, 2010 at 12:06 PM

The controversy of Zion continues, sigh…

Neocons, your beef is not with the Palestinians, your beef is with Jesus Christ. He of Judah-Levi.

True_King on June 6, 2010 at 10:24 AM

We may have our share of stupid Jews but they’re in good company with plenty of stupid goyim.

Come to Jerusalem and kiss my tuchus, fool.

Shy Guy on June 6, 2010 at 12:17 PM

Sorry, Cindy.Been in South Fl. too long. “You’re so far south that you are north again. My explaination for the lack of sweet tea.”Still say maa’m and sir to anyone over 18. Still call older ladies Miz until I am invited to do otherwise. They think I’m crazy.

katy the mean old lady on June 6, 2010 at 12:22 PM

Regards from Jerusalem, the eternal capital of the Jewish world, where my parents, my wife, our children and our grand-children reside.

Shy Guy on June 6, 2010 at 11:40 AM

Just came back from church. We had a special Mass for D-Day. I pray for Isael every night. Got a bunch of Carmelite nuns ( powerhouse of prayer) who pray for you constantly. You will prevail.

katy the mean old lady on June 6, 2010 at 12:28 PM

The Gaza fight also makes it more difficult for America to rally a coalition that includes Arab and Muslim states against Iran’s nuclear ambitions.

That’s a great excuse for Obam’s dithering. There ain’t gonna be no talking Ajad out of his bomb. Obambi’s favorite quote is “Don’t just do something stand there!

Herb on June 6, 2010 at 12:41 PM

I know I’ll get sh** for feeding a troll, but, what the hell is that all about?

To me the controversy is that too many Christians are ecumenical, granted- no arguement there. But I wouldn’t call it a beef. Every non-Christian religion denies Christ, or at least who he truly is. The hard truth that most Christians can’t accept is that no exception is made to the one and only way. And that includes the once chosen. But they are no more an enemy than Islam. A religion that promotes false ideas about Christ seems, to me, far more damaging than that has the honesty to deny him outright.

abobo on June 6, 2010 at 11:59 AM

True King is so far right, he is left.

Terrye on June 6, 2010 at 1:08 PM

Propaganda works.

troyriser_gopftw on June 6, 2010 at 11:11 AM

This is a true to a point. I think it works better with some people than with others. However, I think that people also reach their limit. Saddam put himself on TV all day every day in Iraq, the mullahs try the same thing in Iran…however the time comes when people see is so different from what they hear that they know something is amiss. I am saying that I think it might be dawning on a lot of people that the usual suspects are always whining about how mean the Israelis are, but by and large the Israelis are more likely to mind their own business than their neighbors. Once people see that disconnect they tend to keep seeing it.

Terrye on June 6, 2010 at 1:12 PM

katy the mean old lady on June 6, 2010 at 12:22 PM

That makes two of us.

Cindy Munford on June 6, 2010 at 1:21 PM

That makes two of us.

Cindy Munford on June 6, 2010 at 1:21 PM

Only 2? Wow! I remember when we had the Mizz vs. Ms. thing down. If I EVER did not use an honorific in front of a name? Eww!

katy the mean old lady on June 6, 2010 at 1:42 PM

katy the mean old lady on June 6, 2010 at 1:42 PM

For some reason I take childish delight in using the term Ms. in front of married liberal ladies’ names. Especially those who used their husbands’ power or wealth as stepping stones to fame and power.

Cindy Munford on June 6, 2010 at 2:11 PM

Mark Steyn has a great column today that discusses the role of Turkey in contributing to the unrest in the ME. The words of Erdogan (in bold) make his intentions clear re any nation or any religion standing in the way of Muslim imperialism.

The very words acknowledge the link between political and demographic energy. Today, the “young Turks” are old Turks: The heirs to the Kemalist reformers who gave women the vote before Britain did are a population in demographic decline. There will be fewer of them in every election. Today’s young Turks are men who think as Erdogan does. That doesn’t mean Turkey is Iran or Waziristan or Saudi Arabia, but it does mean that the country’s leadership is in favor of more or less conventional Islamic imperialism. As Erdogan’s most famous sound bite puts it: “The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets, and the faithful our soldiers.”

onlineanalyst on June 6, 2010 at 2:14 PM

Terrye on June 6, 2010 at 1:12 PM

Terrye, I would agree with you to a point because, as troyriser says, our culture is saturated with propaganda. The opinion-shapers control so many venues of getting the truth out to the populace that the task is formidable. Look how much this administration wants to curb the Internet and talk radio.

One of ObaMao’s first acts on taking office was to cut the Radio-Free-Europe type of information available through our government to the people of Cuba and Iran.

onlineanalyst on June 6, 2010 at 2:20 PM

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