Great news: Turkish PM may try to visit Gaza to break blockade

posted at 6:10 pm on June 5, 2010 by Allahpundit

Why not? Demagoguing the flotilla raid has helped make him an Islamist rock star. And as any rock star knows, the show’s not over until after the big encore.

What’s really worrisome about this is that it suggests this moron’s starting to believe his own B.S., which is the fast track to stumbling into a major international crisis.

The [al-Mustaqbal] newspaper said that “as part of the open conflict between Turkey and Israel following the massacre against the ‘freedom sail’ to Gaza and the protest sparked in the world, Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan is considering going to Gaza himself in order to break the blockade imposed on the Strip.”

The sources noted that the Turkish leader had raised the option in a conversation with his associates.

According to the report, Erdogan told the American administration he was planning to ask his navy to escort another aid flotilla, but that American officials asked him to delay the plan in order to look into the matter.

The NYT’s out with an editorial calling for an end to the blockade in Gaza (naturally) but also scolding Turkey for its “irresponsible” rhetoric this week and insisting that “As a moderate, secular democracy and NATO member, Turkey has a strong interest in a stable Middle East.” Which is nice, except … it’s not true. Like I said last night, “moderate, secular democracy” is only half of their identity anymore. Per their new good cop/bad cop routine, what they really want in the Middle East is manageable instability. That way there’s a fresh supply of Israeli “crimes” to exploit for the benefit of fundie voters at home and to the consternation of western allies abroad, who’ll be eager to make concessions to keep the Turks calm and in the west’s orbit.

The key is the word “manageable,” though. If this really is all a form of kabuki theater on Erdogan’s part, then he should want to pursue brinksmanship with Israel without going so far that the two countries’ militaries suddenly find themselves staring across the field at each other. That’s why, I assume, he hasn’t cut ties with Netanyahu despite his ambassador to the U.S. demanding an apology, an end to the blockade, an end to “inappropriate” anti-Palestinian action, blah blah blah. And yet, we keep hearing rumors of sending the Turkish navy to escort the next “aid” mission or of Erdogan himself trying to confront the IDF, both of which would conceivably create a military situation in which anything can happen. The question, then: What is this idiot thinking? Is he in such bad shape politically at home that he’s willing to force some sort of armed regional standoff? And is the Turkish military itself now so riddled with Islamists that it’ll go along with him? These must be rumors and nothing more — right?

I’ve whined at you about Turkey all week so I’ll spare you anything further, especially since there are better writers than me weighing in today. See Ralph Peters for what Turkey’s drift towards Mecca potentially means for U.S. airmen stationed at Incirlik; Victor Davis Hanson on what it potentially means for traditional (and now weakened) Turkish enemies like Greece; and Mark Steyn on what it potentially means for the west generally (“what we’re witnessing is the most prominent example of Muslim reform being de-reformed, before our very eyes, in nothing flat.”). I’m sure they’re all worried over nothing and that this years-long trend towards radicalism in Ankara is but another product of the febrile wingnut imagination. It’s not like any secular-ish Muslim country has turned fundamentalist and become a major threat before, right?

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I hope that this jackazz isn’t this foolish. This type of crap will lead to a nuclear exchange in the MidEast, post haste.
The IDF is good at handling Arabs, largely due to Arabian cultural problems with building a disciplined military. They are not that good of a military when compared to any European force.
Should Turkey play this to the end and it turns into a shooting war, and the Turkish military goes along with it. Israel will lose.
Israel’s airforce will do ok, but they will not have complete superiority as they are used to. Their navy will get chopped. The Turks’ navy is much larger and just as well equipped (The are NATO).
Ground forces; if the Israelis can even deal with the locals without complete air superiority, they will get their heads handed to them by the Turks.
This means that Israel will be on the chopping block and it will only be a matter of time before they start nuking others.

Change we can F&(!*#g believe in.

Nathan_OH on June 5, 2010 at 9:45 PM

Any such strike is news to me, do have a link to anything on this, I would be very much interested in the details.

Archimedes on June 5, 2010 at 8:40 PM

They have been mapping it for about 4 years I think. I first heard of it back then in reading Jewish websites. This is also part of the prophecy of Ezekiel scripture I believe.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-06-03/israel-may-join-gas-exporting-nations-with-leviathan-discovery.html

wi farmgirl on June 5, 2010 at 9:48 PM

Woe unto them that raise their hand against my people.Saith the Lord God

thmcbb on June 5, 2010 at 10:11 PM

here’s another article dated for tomorrow from Israel.
http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000564468&fid=980

Seems like a pretty good reason to try to remove them from the land and “seize the spoil and plunder” to me.

thmcbb on June 5, 2010 at 10:11 PM

They will suffer God’s wrath…

wi farmgirl on June 5, 2010 at 10:23 PM

And to think; all this started with the bow of an American President to Middle Eastern royalty.

c3ichief on June 5, 2010 at 10:26 PM

That NYT piece seemed largely crap to me. Threw a small bone by saying Turkey should ratchet things down a bit, but the other 98% of the piece was suggesting that Israel was in the wrong and should commit suicide by ending the blockade.

Typical crap.

Midas on June 5, 2010 at 10:27 PM

BP, Hayward, sold his stock three weeks before spill.
Coal mine explodes
Natural gas explodes
Airplane explodes with all of country’s officials
BP explodes/CEO sells stock three weeks earlier
Flotilla with U.S. links

I am sure you have some to add to this list of the coincidences

nondhimmie on June 5, 2010 at 10:29 PM

wi farmgirl on June 5, 2010 at 10:23 PM

PS/ What part of WI are you? I’m on the IL side of the border.

Archimedes on June 5, 2010 at 10:30 PM

So just who is Mohammad’s rightful heir anyway? Erdogan or Ahmadinejad? I say we drop them both in the middle of the ocean and whichever Allah sees fit to bring to shore alive is the one.

Tav on June 5, 2010 at 10:34 PM

What’s really worrisome about this is that it suggests this moron’s starting to believe his own B.S.

Just how is he a moron? He seems to have the President of the United States pretty much on his side.

Tav on June 5, 2010 at 10:37 PM

So just who is Mohammad’s rightful heir anyway? Erdogan or Ahmadinejad? I say we drop them both in the middle of the ocean and whichever Allah sees fit to bring to shore alive is the one.

Tav on June 5, 2010 at 10:34 PM

Not to get overly technical, but the only, direct by bloodline, legitimate heir is by that of the Hashemite family. Ergo, King Abdullah II of Jordan and he’s not interested.

Archimedes on June 5, 2010 at 10:39 PM

Shouldn’t we be encouraging the Turkish military to take out this nutty?? He got a reprieve despite his leanings (i.e. he was banned from politics for awhile and couldn’t be Prime Minister at first), but has abused it … so hurray for the coup de etat!!! I thought that this party in Turkey was basically the equivalent to the Christian Coalition in the U.S., but apparently this is not the case… So hurray for coups!!! And hurray for the EU for giving Turkey the cold shoulder.

Illinidiva on June 5, 2010 at 10:40 PM

The IDF Army is on a par with the very best in the game (except the US) – that is as good as the Brits or Canadians. The IDF Air Force is as good as any including the US (and I was a US Air Force Fighter Pilot). The only limitations is in size, and the possibilities of attrition warfare for both. Turkey’s army and Air Force is on par with the non-english speaking members of NATO: Small, ineffective and unable to project force.

As far as the IDF navy, the Turkish navy would have a long way to go with few competent ships or crews, and many other threats in the region.

Futher, the possibilities of regional alliances (say, Israel and the Kurds, or the Cypriots never mind the Greeks) can’t be overlooked. If Israel gave the Kurds modern weapons, the Turkish army such as it is would be locked down fighting them.

HBowmanMD on June 5, 2010 at 10:40 PM

“what we’re witnessing is the most prominent example of Muslim reform being de-reformed, before our very eyes, in nothing flat.”

Islam, like water, always seeks it’s own level. You can put lipstick on a pig but it remains a pig.

Tav on June 5, 2010 at 10:44 PM

I’m sure they’re all worried over nothing and that this years-long trend towards radicalism in Ankara is but another product of the febrile wingnut imagination.

How many times must it be said? It is not radicalism, it is Islam. If you feel you must use a modifier, use fundamentalism as the radicals in Islam are the apostates.

Tav on June 5, 2010 at 10:48 PM

It doesn’t matter if Erdogan, the Pope, POTUS, the chief rabbi of Israel, and the Queen of England are all on board — the next ship that tries to run the blockade should be sunk.

…and the one after that.

cthulhu on June 5, 2010 at 10:53 PM

The IDF Army is on a par with the very best in the game (except the US) – that is as good as the Brits or Canadians.

The reason of the US’s superiority is today mainly due to pop size and dollars for extravagant technologies on a amass scale. Man 4 man I think you sell the IDF short, not to mention the Pakis, the Indians, the ROK’s and the Aussies.

While we still have a military tradition that still carries us, the wussification and PC bullsh!t adopted in training standards today are slowly whittling away at that.

Also, I think it worthy of note that all those I’ve listed, except the ROK’s & IDF, are born of British colonialism from which they take their military traditions. Hence the SAS & SBS even though grossly underfunded stack up with any in the world. I take these evaluations from personal experience having worked the Brits, ROK’s, Aussies & Canadians and necessarily need to be extensively breifed on the others.

Just my opinion.

Archimedes on June 5, 2010 at 10:56 PM

Erdogan has to be made to pay. Like I said yesterday, Turkey has too many pressure points still to be making with the false bravado. Embarrass the man a little.

DrSteve on June 5, 2010 at 11:28 PM

Prime minister or not…
If Erdogan pushes his weight around, than he should be treated like any other Islamo-fascist thug. Screw him!

byteshredder on June 5, 2010 at 11:59 PM

Just my opinion.

Archimedes on June 5, 2010 at 10:56 PM

And I, for one, thank you for it. It is always best to get it straight from the “horse’s mouth”, so to speak.

OldEnglish on June 6, 2010 at 12:57 AM

Should be an interesting little battle between the Israeli Navy and the Turkish Navy should this “Turkish delight” decide to run the blockade using the Turkish Navy. Has anyone gamed this yet on Harpoon? Sadly I no longer possess Harpoon so I cannot run the scenario. Say a Turkish frigate and two or three FACs with some air vs. a Saar 5 and a couple of Saar 4.5′s with some air for Israel. There is bound to be lots of missiles in the air making any confrontation short and bloody for both sides.

I can see the Turkish Navy imposing a blockade on Israel with the Israelis trying to squash it as well. Gamers let me know the outcome!

I am sure that Greeks would be willing to let the Israelis stage a few F-15s and F-16s out of Crete if Israel wished to hit Ankara.

Bubba Redneck on June 6, 2010 at 1:06 AM

What’s really worrisome about this is that it suggests this moron’s starting to believe his own B.S.

Just how is he a moron? He seems to have the President of the United States pretty much on his side.

Tav on June 5, 2010 at 10:37 PM

Two morons then.

Bubba Redneck on June 6, 2010 at 1:08 AM

We need a more sane U.S. Nato member.

Ron Paul 2012.

Spathi on June 6, 2010 at 1:10 AM

How many times must it be said? It is not radicalism, it is Islam. If you feel you must use a modifier, use fundamentalism as the radicals in Islam are the apostates.
Glad to see that atleast some people get THAT crucial distinction – Islamic terrorists are fundamentalists -calling them “radical” betrays a lot of ignorance.The history of the religion and its growth is filled with the blood of millions of innocents..

Most Muslims who are pious and non-jihadist deliberately ignore Suras on jihad against infidels – at the very least they dont accept them blindly and uncritically.

It is the fundamentalist Muslim fanatics who take the Koran word for word – and who would blame them for doing that? there is no room for interpretation on God’s inerrant word in Islam, you see.In fact if you ever leave the Islamic faith,your apostasy is to be punished with death.

Think about it – Islamic apostasy is dealt with a death sentence. How many religions in this world have that .errr… feature ?

nagee76 on June 6, 2010 at 3:05 AM

Please, please, just break out the nuclear weapons and everything else, Israel, and have done. If the arsenal includes a spritzer for flesh-eating staphylococcus, break that out, too. The worst is to have a reputation for wickedness without any of the benefits. I’m ready to see Israel live up to its reputation for wickedness, ready to see Israel actually be all of the wicked things it’s accused of being.

Kralizec on June 6, 2010 at 3:06 AM

nagee76 on June 6, 2010 at 3:05 AM

I don’t understand your distinction between radicalism and fundamentalism. It seems going to the roots and going to the foundation are quite similar.

Kralizec on June 6, 2010 at 3:09 AM

I am pro-Israeli in general and even I feel that Israel was badly unprepared for such open thuggery from the Turks on that ship -in fact, given the rank hatred of Israel, I am surprised that they did not plan for it any better than to put their soldiers in a tight and dangerous spot – what else did they expect of their soldiers? That soldiers would allow to be clubbed and knived to death rather than defend themselves?

Did they not even think of what could go wrong and how negative the PR would be? Wisdom is the better part of valor – Israel by now should know that it’s only dependable friend and ally has a President who is fundamentally opposed to it. So, it should have to be even more careful in not providing such easy propaganda victories on a platter to its idealogical opponents.

The more i hear of the dirty games played by the Turkish bastard PM, the more iam convinced that this was a very deliberate provocation that was well planned and thought out by the Turks. Israel is put in a lose-lose situation – allow the terrorists to get away in the guise of providing humanitarian aid or confront them in a bloody manner, which will eventually be painted as Israeli aggression.

If the Turkish PM pulls such a stunt, I hope and pray to God that the IDF blows a bullet hole right through his thick numskull.

nagee76 on June 6, 2010 at 3:19 AM

Time to kick Turkey out of NATO.

No wonder even France opposed their inclusion into the EU.

Threatening non-hostile countries outside of NATO should be grounds for expulsion.

scotash on June 6, 2010 at 3:21 AM

OldEnglish on June 6, 2010 at 12:57 AM

No problem, seeing how as the the American public has Nam has awoken to truly appreciate what are boys do, I can only hope it is doubly so amongst the cousins for their’s. Whilst I understand (to some extent, but still not justified) the limitations of your treasury, in spite of comparable financial neglect of your services, your isles still produce as fine a soldier as any.

Let it be said, that I for one am utterly appalled by the treatment suffered by our current malignant administration. Be assured sir, that the rank and file on our side of the pond still honor the ‘special relationship’. As soon as we get our respective political houses in order we look forward to repairing the damage thats been done.

The gains acquired from Acton, Smith, Burke, Disraeli, Hume, etal, and our own founding fathers absolutely depend upon it.

Archimedes on June 6, 2010 at 3:24 AM

I don’t understand your distinction between radicalism and fundamentalism. It seems going to the roots and going to the foundation are quite similar.

let me give an example – IMHO, I consider Muslims who deliberately ignore the Koranic verses on jihad and infidels as radical- remember it is a monotheistic religion and it says that there is no God but God (aka Allah).It also specifically talks about meting out punishment to infidels who dont share the Islamic faith.The question then is, how can you choose to ignore those passages which openly talk about killing infidels ? You may ignore it for practical reasons (there are after all 5 billion non muslims in this world) or for real ethical and humanitarian reasons – you are a decent human being who does not want to harm people who dont share your faith, even though you religion sanctions such acts – I think that is a radical departure from the Koran… would you agree ?

In fact, its the fundamentalist Muslim who is truly following the religion when he interprets the Koran literally and follows it to the letter.

Just my 2C.

nagee76 on June 6, 2010 at 3:28 AM

Time to kick Turkey out of NATO.

No wonder even France opposed their inclusion into the EU.

Wonder of wonders, even the French get it.. they dont want Turkey in the EU because they dont think it is following the secular traditions of Kemal Musthafa… look at the way, they have reacted with bans on Muslim headscarfs in public schools and such… i dont agree with their ban on the grounds of freedom of religion and expression.. but i do absolutely understand their utter sense of panic at the growing Islamization of Europe.

nagee76 on June 6, 2010 at 3:34 AM

Archimedes on June 6, 2010 at 3:24 AM

Thank you for your thoughts. Just for the record, i now live amongst your other great ally, Australia.

OldEnglish on June 6, 2010 at 4:28 AM

Why is the U.S. still in NATO anyways??? Cold War’s over fellas. Screw the EuroTrash!

RightXBrigade on June 6, 2010 at 5:29 AM

Is Erdogan vying for the Muammar al-Gaddafi dumbshit award?

hillbillyjim on June 6, 2010 at 5:51 AM

wi farmgirl on June 5, 2010 at 10:23 PM

PS/ What part of WI are you? I’m on the IL side of the border.

Archimedes on June 5, 2010 at 10:30 PM

Central Wi, right off 51, in the town of Point Beer.

wi farmgirl on June 6, 2010 at 7:51 AM

How many times must it be said? It is not radicalism, it is Islam. If you feel you must use a modifier, use fundamentalism as the radicals in Islam are the apostates.

Tav on June 5, 2010 at 10:48 PM

Your right on the money with that statement. I have a friend who has a husband in Saudi working oil fields. And they think differently than us and that will never change. There is always that Islam bent. But I don’t think Saudi, Jordan and Dubi want the more radical factions controlling their part of the world either. They kind of like their more western kind of life too.

wi farmgirl on June 6, 2010 at 7:59 AM

If Erdogan pushes his weight around, than he should be treated like any other Islamo-fascist thug. Screw him!

byteshredder on June 5, 2010 at 11:59 PM

Where is W when we need him, man I miss him.

wi farmgirl on June 6, 2010 at 8:04 AM

Dear IDFTurkey,

Please google Admiral Yamamoto.

Signed,

Smart tactics

fossten on June 5, 2010 at 8:21 PM

FIFY

HBowmanMD on June 6, 2010 at 8:59 AM

But I don’t think Saudi, Jordan and Dubi want the more radical factions controlling their part of the world either. They kind of like their more western kind of life too.

wi farmgirl on June 6, 2010 at 7:59 AM

Saudi Arabia is very radical. Rich Arabs might indulge in Western customs, but within the country itself it is Sharia all the way.

Dubai may seem more modern, but think about this: When the UFC stages events in Dubai, the fighters are prohibited from making the sign of the cross.

Disturb the Universe on June 6, 2010 at 11:24 AM

Also, who publishes, funds and distributes most of the radical Muslim textbooks? Saudi Arabia.

Disturb the Universe on June 6, 2010 at 11:26 AM

Re: nathan_OH comment.

I believe you give way too much credit to the size and capabilities of the Turkish military,navy and army, NATO Member or not. When was Turkey’s last mobilization for a war? I can’t remember either!

Secondly, Israel doesn’t need nuclear weapons to whip Turkey and Erdogan is as big a fool as any Arab leader when it comes to projecting military strength, let alone any Arab sympathizer who confuses bombastic talk with military might.

Lastly, I do believe you ere absolutey correct regarding the idea of CHANGE, etc., etc.

tomshup on June 6, 2010 at 12:41 PM

And now Iran’s Red Guard is offering to accompany “relief” cargo ships to Gaza. What could go wrong?

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2010/06/026473.php

onlineanalyst on June 6, 2010 at 3:01 PM

Re: nathan_OH comment.

I believe you give way too much credit to the size and capabilities of the Turkish military,navy and army, NATO Member or not. When was Turkey’s last mobilization for a war? I can’t remember either!

Secondly, Israel doesn’t need nuclear weapons to whip Turkey and Erdogan is as big a fool as any Arab leader when it comes to projecting military strength, let alone any Arab sympathizer who confuses bombastic talk with military might.

Lastly, I do believe you ere absolutey correct regarding the idea of CHANGE, etc., etc.

tomshup on June 6, 2010 at 12:41 PM

Basing my opinion on discussions with pro’s; medical, armor, and SF, who have worked with both. I hope they are wrong, but the only way that they will be is if Turkey’s military and logistical abilities are much worse than they appeared to these gents.

Even assuming that the Turks are only as competent in expeditionary fights as the Germans, they merely have to put enough pressure on Israel to make the IDF mobilize. 6 months of mobilization with no US aid and Israel is kaput.
Now let us assume that the Turks are as competent as the UK, which is good but not as good as US or Canadian forces. The IDF will get stomped.
They, the IDF, are not currently setup for HIC, equipment wise or by doctrine. They have spent the past 35+ years getting good at dealing with Arabs in COIN/LIC, but haven’t fought a pitched battle against comparable forces since the early ’70′s and have never fought a Western military. The Turks have a few battalions designated and trained for COIN/LIC, but they are largely still organized to fight a high intensity conflict against a comparable enemy in pitched battles.
This is something that entirely too many have missed. A military that is setup for COIN/LIC type conflicts will not do well against one that has not lost sight of the primary goal of killing people and breaking things that one needs to win against a near peer power.
If it goes hot between these two countries. Israel will get whipped. Be it through a stand up fight where they get destroyed, or one of attrition where they are mobilized long enough for the economy to collapse.

Nathan_OH on June 6, 2010 at 3:09 PM

Hopefully, they will take the moron into custody.

ultracon on June 6, 2010 at 3:19 PM

DEBKA: Turkish PM Recep Erdogan is spoiling for more trouble with Israel, irrespective of the peaceful outcome of the Rachel Corrie incident. Sources disclose his funding of the IHH terrorist group’s purchase of 8-10 large vessels for more Gaza flotillas. He has secretly replaced professional intelligence and security chiefs with Islamist cronies.

Turkish air, sea, land forces mass in northern Cyprus 100 miles from Israel.

Tav on June 6, 2010 at 3:58 PM

Nathan_OH on June 6, 2010 at 3:09 PM

You make it sound like the Turks are 10 feet tall. Tell me, when have the Turks ever shown any note worthy military process?

Tav on June 6, 2010 at 4:10 PM

If it goes hot between these two countries. Israel will get whipped.

Nathan_OH on June 6, 2010 at 3:09 PM

Frankly, you sound like Tokyo Rose.

Tav on June 6, 2010 at 4:13 PM

Tell me, when have the Turks ever shown any note worthy military process?

Tav on June 6, 2010 at 4:10 PM

WWI: Look up the siege of Kut.
Korea: Look up performance of the heavily outnumbered Turkish brigade against Chinese Army forces.
Gulf War II: Turkish special forces and air crews.
Internally: Against Kirdish forces.

NaCly dog on June 6, 2010 at 5:13 PM

Provocation is a two-edged sword. From JihadWatch.com.

Put that in yer pipe and smoke, ya Turkey.

Akzed on June 6, 2010 at 5:49 PM

If it goes hot between these two countries. Israel will get whipped.

Nathan_OH on June 6, 2010 at 3:09 PM

Really?

What strategic goals does Turkey have?

1. Invade Israel and destroy it? They do not possess the amphibious lift capacity for such an operation. Except for the United States, no country does.

2. Break the blockade. That is possible but would require the use of all of Turkey’s air and naval assets. The fight would be very bloody on both sides and would get Turkey kicked out of NATO. Then what? You have broken the blockade at the cost of your navy and air force. You are left naked with respect to Greece, who would love to reclaim as many islands in the Med. as possible as well as Turkey’s little slice of Europe and make Istanbul Constantinople again. A scenario shared by many Europeans; Turks are not well thought of in Europe.

3. Blockade Israel. Very possible for the Turks but again you are looking at using all of Turkey’s naval and air forces and this risks Israeli air attacks on the Turkish mainland not to mention the Greek problem in 2. above.

All for what?

Bubba Redneck on June 6, 2010 at 6:08 PM

This is also part of the prophecy of Ezekiel scripture I believe. wi farmgirl on June 5, 2010 at 9:48 PM

Israel has every right to exist since the land was given to them as a homeland by the UK who administered it at the time. But intimations that some biblical proplecies are being played out before our eyes are based on poor biblical hermeneutics and ignorance of history by those who should know better.

It is enough to say that they have a legal right to the land based on actions taken by the British government after WWII, and conquests by the nation in subsequent years: conquests in reaction to wars waged against it and secured by victories in those conflicts. But it only inflames passions and muddies the waters to base its right to exist upon the fulfillment of Bible prophecy.

“I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation,” -Jesus of Nazareth, Matthew 23:36; 24:34.

Akzed on June 6, 2010 at 6:18 PM

Her time is way past. Self exposed anti-Semite and bigot Helen Thomas’s days are numbered. Instead of leaving in a bit of glory, instead she’s going to dejectedly leave with a bad odor.

byteshredder on June 6, 2010 at 7:04 PM

Prime Minister Erdogan is not acting like a NATO leader, but instead like just another Islam-fascist thug.

Mr. Erdogan, be careful what you foment, or wish for!

byteshredder on June 6, 2010 at 7:08 PM

Two points:

Turkey is still buying Israeli UAV with US money. Granted some graft goes to Turkey but Israelis know their own value.

Kurds have revoked 2009 (?) ceasefire after several months of attacks against Turkey. Is it possible that guerrilla war is not a Turk forte? OTOH this has gone on for mellinia, sh!t, thousands of years.

Turkey, by equipment, is one of the stronger members of NATO. But military is constitutionally the protector of the country. Erdrogon has removed or co-opted most of the top brass. Rule of thumb is that lower ranks are more to task than brass; therefore less Islamic inclined.

For all of me this is a futile exercise. Heap big smoke but no fire. Please quit imagining disaster. It is an excuse to stop thinking. The US D’rats have needed 2-3 generations to get us where we are. Israel has a history — of success. I am so tired of what if ad nauseum.

Caststeel on June 6, 2010 at 7:37 PM

A million and a half Armenians weren’t enough, now they want the blood of 12 million Israelis. This my friends is the beginning of WWIII, with Obamalinski at the helm. Looks like the Valley of Megiddo will truly be Ground Zero. I’m really digging all this Hope and Change,….not….

adamsmith on June 7, 2010 at 12:16 AM

Oh yeah. Great articles on AtlasShrugs.com….Seems Billy Ayers is at it again. Go have a look-see. Very interesting….

adamsmith on June 7, 2010 at 12:20 AM

This just in from a left of center Israeli politician:

Uzi Dayan: If Turkish PM Comes in Warship Kill Him

Reported:09:50 AM – Jun/07/10

IDF Reserve General Uzi Dayan, a leader in the fight to free kidnapped soldier Gilad Shalit, said Monday on army radio that if Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan fulfills his threats to accompany another Gaza flotilla in a warship, the IDF shoot destroy the vessel and kill Erdogan.

Shy Guy on June 7, 2010 at 2:28 AM

Once again, some idiot politician is getting all full of himself and is going to put his soldiers in a very bad position, one that they are ill-equipped to manage.

If the Turks put one of their skows in the wrong place near Gaza and the Israelis get pushed into sinking it, all hell is going to break loose, and it’s no one’s fault but this douchebag.

Jaibones on June 7, 2010 at 7:49 AM

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