Great news: Turkish PM may try to visit Gaza to break blockade
posted at 6:10 pm on June 5, 2010 by Allahpundit
Why not? Demagoguing the flotilla raid has helped make him an Islamist rock star. And as any rock star knows, the show’s not over until after the big encore.
What’s really worrisome about this is that it suggests this moron’s starting to believe his own B.S., which is the fast track to stumbling into a major international crisis.
The [al-Mustaqbal] newspaper said that “as part of the open conflict between Turkey and Israel following the massacre against the ‘freedom sail’ to Gaza and the protest sparked in the world, Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan is considering going to Gaza himself in order to break the blockade imposed on the Strip.”
The sources noted that the Turkish leader had raised the option in a conversation with his associates.
According to the report, Erdogan told the American administration he was planning to ask his navy to escort another aid flotilla, but that American officials asked him to delay the plan in order to look into the matter.
The NYT’s out with an editorial calling for an end to the blockade in Gaza (naturally) but also scolding Turkey for its “irresponsible” rhetoric this week and insisting that “As a moderate, secular democracy and NATO member, Turkey has a strong interest in a stable Middle East.” Which is nice, except … it’s not true. Like I said last night, “moderate, secular democracy” is only half of their identity anymore. Per their new good cop/bad cop routine, what they really want in the Middle East is manageable instability. That way there’s a fresh supply of Israeli “crimes” to exploit for the benefit of fundie voters at home and to the consternation of western allies abroad, who’ll be eager to make concessions to keep the Turks calm and in the west’s orbit.
The key is the word “manageable,” though. If this really is all a form of kabuki theater on Erdogan’s part, then he should want to pursue brinksmanship with Israel without going so far that the two countries’ militaries suddenly find themselves staring across the field at each other. That’s why, I assume, he hasn’t cut ties with Netanyahu despite his ambassador to the U.S. demanding an apology, an end to the blockade, an end to “inappropriate” anti-Palestinian action, blah blah blah. And yet, we keep hearing rumors of sending the Turkish navy to escort the next “aid” mission or of Erdogan himself trying to confront the IDF, both of which would conceivably create a military situation in which anything can happen. The question, then: What is this idiot thinking? Is he in such bad shape politically at home that he’s willing to force some sort of armed regional standoff? And is the Turkish military itself now so riddled with Islamists that it’ll go along with him? These must be rumors and nothing more — right?
I’ve whined at you about Turkey all week so I’ll spare you anything further, especially since there are better writers than me weighing in today. See Ralph Peters for what Turkey’s drift towards Mecca potentially means for U.S. airmen stationed at Incirlik; Victor Davis Hanson on what it potentially means for traditional (and now weakened) Turkish enemies like Greece; and Mark Steyn on what it potentially means for the west generally (“what we’re witnessing is the most prominent example of Muslim reform being de-reformed, before our very eyes, in nothing flat.”). I’m sure they’re all worried over nothing and that this years-long trend towards radicalism in Ankara is but another product of the febrile wingnut imagination. It’s not like any secular-ish Muslim country has turned fundamentalist and become a major threat before, right?
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What could go wrong?
bernzright777 on June 5, 2010 at 6:12 PM
Frankly, I’m surprised our president didn’t jump on this first.
Meric1837 on June 5, 2010 at 6:14 PM
We should have said they would have to get past us too.
CWforFreedom on June 5, 2010 at 6:14 PM
The myth of the moderate Muslim exposed once again.
Disturb the Universe on June 5, 2010 at 6:15 PM
I’m STILL betting on the Israelis…
Khun Joe on June 5, 2010 at 6:15 PM
Frankly, I’m surprised our president didn’t jump on this first.
Meric1837 on June 5, 2010 at 6:14 PM
Google the USS LIBERTY incident with the Israeli armed forces… Not pretty… and LIBERTY was flying a BIG US FLAG (the biggest one they had onboard)…
Khun Joe on June 5, 2010 at 6:16 PM
Thanks for taking all those symbolic and substantive steps to delegitimize Israel, Obama! Bluntly, all this is your fault – did you think that Israel’s enemies wouldn’t take advantage of this?
Enjoy your golf game tomorrow – you do less damage when you’re on the links…
Realist on June 5, 2010 at 6:17 PM
I’m sure Iran will make sure that nothing happens to him on his ‘trip’…
Seven Percent Solution on June 5, 2010 at 6:18 PM
Any warships that accompany him should be sunk and he should be arrested if and when captured. Period.
Akzed on June 5, 2010 at 6:19 PM
Once he is floating in the Med, wouldn’t that be a time for a coup?
*hint hint*
I remember a couple years ago hundreds of thousands marching against the Islamification of the government. Time to step up again post-haste.
dIb on June 5, 2010 at 6:19 PM
Shut up, go back to Auschwitz
Pretty close to what Helen Thomas said.
Disturb the Universe on June 5, 2010 at 6:19 PM
The turkeys are coming home to roooooooooooost.
SouthernGent on June 5, 2010 at 6:20 PM
A blockade is an act of war, no matter how you cut it. There’s always the danger of annoying neutral nations, but if they send ships into it they deserve what they get.
It’s a question of will: does Israel have the will to back it up, and does Turkey have the will to avenge a dead PM?
Akzed on June 5, 2010 at 6:20 PM
Exactly.
Disturb the Universe on June 5, 2010 at 6:23 PM
I don’t know what to think about this. A good deal of what Turkey has comes as a result of its ties to the west. Their socalled stand with the Palestinians gains them nothing. Well yeah, there are the prancing preening screaming morons in the streets…but there are also people in Turkey who do not want to start wearing sheets over their heads.
That is the thing with playing both ends against the middle, you kind yourself trapped. That could happen to Turkey and then all of this might not seem like such a good idea. After all, when you get right down to it, the Israelis have not done anything to the Turks and they know it. It is like Europe and their lefty anti semites, they might send money to the Palestinians but that does not mean their countries actually want to mix it up with the Israelis.
I wonder if the blockade is lifted and Hamas starts lobbing missiles again, will the Turks assume responsibility for the damages?
Terrye on June 5, 2010 at 6:23 PM
Inshalla.
Maquis on June 5, 2010 at 6:23 PM
Roasted turkey:
Take one turkey , add generously the finest Israeli canned sunshine.
the_nile on June 5, 2010 at 6:23 PM
Delay, and not forego? Are we gonna escort him in?
Akzed on June 5, 2010 at 6:24 PM
This could get serious. Turkey is a NATO member acting well outside NATO’s best interests. The U.S. had better put a boot on Erdogan’s throat ASAP.
If Obama doesn’t, it may be because he wants a confrontation wherein Turkey will invoke Article V and the U.S. steps in on Turkey’s side, invades Israel and forces “peace.” Perhaps that’s a wild conspiracy theory but I wouldn’t put anything past the Monsters of the Beltway.
lonesomecharlie on June 5, 2010 at 6:25 PM
“Never let a good crisis go to waste.”
Akzed on June 5, 2010 at 6:26 PM
Turkey didn’t get the nickname Sick Man of Europe for nothing.
Akzed on June 5, 2010 at 6:27 PM
One can already see the headline: “Turk PM lost in Med after Greek Cypriot Attack”
The Turks have more than one enemy in the world.
Scribbler on June 5, 2010 at 6:27 PM
Time for Israel to start arming the KDP.
See how the Turks like the feel of that shoe.
SuperCool on June 5, 2010 at 6:29 PM
Delay it until when ? November 2010 or until the oil-gusher in the gulf of mehico is capped ?
Hussain’s politburo is probably saving this ME crisis to be exploited later when it runs out of the current ones.
macncheez on June 5, 2010 at 6:29 PM
The entire Muslim world is unhappy with their place in the world.
They believe it is their birthright to govern us.
There is no peaceful solution to that belief.
Has anyone read Revelation lately? It is lining up pretty predictably.
petunia on June 5, 2010 at 6:32 PM
lonesomecharlie on June 5, 2010 at 6:25 PM
Chilling thought.
Disturb the Universe on June 5, 2010 at 6:33 PM
petunia on June 5, 2010 at 6:32 PM
Don’t forget the whole world turning against Israel.
Disturb the Universe on June 5, 2010 at 6:34 PM
Time for the Turkish military to step in and restore sanity, unless the Ataturk influence has been diluted completely out.
a capella on June 5, 2010 at 6:35 PM
Maybe the Israeli Navy should escort a peaceful flotilla of supplies and aid to Cypress.
jimmy2shoes on June 5, 2010 at 6:38 PM
+10000
Sekhmet on June 5, 2010 at 6:39 PM
No. Nothing. What are you talking about?
Akzed on June 5, 2010 at 6:41 PM
Wouldn’t this possible action by Turkey be an act of war against Israel?
Scenerio: Israel puts ships to block Turkish naval vessels, Turkish navy vessels damage/sink Israeli ships….
albill on June 5, 2010 at 6:41 PM
Turkish Navy to escort supplies to Terrorist group?
Worst US president ever.
Rea1ityCheck on June 5, 2010 at 6:50 PM
Audio of the flotilla ship Destiny 1 being warned.
http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2010/06/max-blumenthal-swings-big-at-idf-misses.html
Definitely catch the last 30 seconds.
CWforFreedom on June 5, 2010 at 6:50 PM
Sink the damned ship.
Blarg the Destroyer on June 5, 2010 at 6:51 PM
Oh, wait!
Seven Percent Solution on June 5, 2010 at 6:54 PM
Don’t sell yourself short, AP. You’re right up there with those other guys, IMHO.
KS Rex on June 5, 2010 at 6:56 PM
TORPEDOES AWAY!!!
FloatingRock on June 5, 2010 at 7:00 PM
And the foreign policy that is the USS Obama confidently steams true on its course to the bottom of the abyss.
Should we perhaps survive as viable federal republic Obama’s tenure at the helm, our reliability as an ally will be questioned evermore. Thus when ever we set sail on any future foreign policy pursuit, we will never do so with a full compliment on deck, as no other nation has any confidence that she is sea-worthy.
Even before Obama, we had abondoned Chiang-kai-Shek after WWII, the Czechs in 57-the Prague Spring,the Hmong in Cambodia, the ARVN in Nam, and the Marsh arabs after Gulf1. Now in rapid succession (1-1/2yrs) the Poles, the Czechs-again, the Iranian protesters, the Hondurans, the Brits and the Israelis.
We may as well withdraw from the UN, NATO, IMF, WB and basically every other Int’l org. They cost us disporprtionately and have not any shred of credibility any longer.
Besides we probably will be to distracted by ‘stateside contingency operations’ that look all but inevitable. If the right fails, either by voter fraud or other chicanery, to reverse our present course…well, there is reason that even in this market equities like S&W, Colt, Remington, etal are still trading near all time highs. You figure it out.
And if the right succeeds it shant be any prettier, has anyone any doubt that the cry “stolen election” will again ring out from the left? Only this time on steroids, with ample incitement of the still 93% demographic.
There is a perfect storm a’brewin, batoning all the hatches does not at all seem unwise.
Archimedes on June 5, 2010 at 7:03 PM
Let him in. Don’t let him out.
MikeA on June 5, 2010 at 7:06 PM
I wonder if the Turkish PM will be carrying bags of slingshots, metal sticks, and knives?
I’m sure his boat will be stopped, the cargo inspected, and then escorted in. Just like the one today.
muckdog on June 5, 2010 at 7:06 PM
As a matter of fact we did Revelation this last year, and followed it up with Matthew. It is unfolding. I think this will be the Ezekiel 38-39 war. Wait until the world sees what will happen with that one. We know who wins in the end.
wi farmgirl on June 5, 2010 at 7:13 PM
Without an ally in the White House Israel can no longer afford to pussyfoot around with their enemies. They’re on their own now more than ever and their enemies will take advantage.
But as long as Israel is ready for what lies ahead and her enemies haven’t obtained nukes, this may be the best opportunity in my lifetime for Israel to finally get rid of some of the outstanding regional threats that need to be dealt with.
FloatingRock on June 5, 2010 at 7:18 PM
They are even talking about it in Israel.
http://flashtrafficblog.wordpress.com/
wi farmgirl on June 5, 2010 at 7:20 PM
This guy and our President are DNA brothers.
Speakup on June 5, 2010 at 7:21 PM
(edited to avoid moderation for whatever reason)
Without an ally in the White House Israel can no longer afford to pu$$yfoot around with their enem*es. They’re on their own now more than ever and their enem*es will take advantage.
But as long as Israel is ready for what lies ahead and her enem*es haven’t obtained nuk*s, this may be the best opportunity in my lifetime for Israel to finally get rid of some of the outstanding regional thre*ts that need to be dealt with, once and for all.
FloatingRock on June 5, 2010 at 7:21 PM
Wannabe DinnerJacket 2!!!
ImWearingASmokingJacketOldGuyAlmostOnHisWayToBeANutJob!!
canopfor on June 5, 2010 at 7:22 PM
Delay. How about, “Do it and we’ll move the Fifth Fleet into position.”
amerpundit on June 5, 2010 at 7:23 PM
Time for the Turkish military to step in and restore sanity, unless the Ataturk influence has been diluted completely out.
a capella on June 5, 2010 at 6:35 PM
Most all of the secular, staunchly Gemalist Generals, have been imprisoned over the last three years on trumped up charges.
Archimedes on June 5, 2010 at 7:24 PM
And make him pay a hefty price for the inconvenience.
FloatingRock on June 5, 2010 at 7:25 PM
First Saddam with his delusions of a reborn Babylonian Empire, and now Erdogan reasserting dominion over former Ottoman territories.
pedestrian on June 5, 2010 at 7:26 PM
BTW, I can’t believe that that was censored. What, we can’t say “pu$$yfoot” or “enemi@s”? That’s ticks me off.
FloatingRock on June 5, 2010 at 7:27 PM
Ask the Turks to relocate the Palestinians in land previously owned by the Armenians.
BowHuntingTexas on June 5, 2010 at 7:35 PM
Sink the bastage.
royzer on June 5, 2010 at 7:36 PM
Saw this in a article by Noah Pollack but if Turkey wants to play turnabout is fair.
. Fund a Kurdish human-rights NGO in Israel — there are lots of Kurdish Jews who I’m sure would be happy to help — that raises awareness of the plight of Kurds in Turkey. (Short answer: they are treated horribly.) This organization must publicize the apartheid conditions of Kurdish life in Turkey and churn out op-eds, studies, videos, and press releases denouncing Turkey’s brutal and racist treatment of its own minorities.
. Fund a Turkish-language documentary on the Armenian genocide, upload it to YouTube, and promote it heavily in Turkey. If Erdogan wants to call Israel a criminal and a murderer, there’s no reason why Israel shouldn’t return the favor on this most sensitive of issues.
warren on June 5, 2010 at 7:37 PM
Rosenberg is a prophet himself.
Disturb the Universe on June 5, 2010 at 7:39 PM
OT: Obama is pro-whale slaughter. Just saw it on Fox. Loves the taste of whale meat in the morning (mixed with arugula and waffles). Has his very own harpoon. Going to lift the moratorium on whale hunting.
andy85719 on June 5, 2010 at 7:41 PM
Israel is ready to treat the Turkish Navy the same way they treated the Egyptian Air Force?
Something about how a baby treats a diaper….
reaganaut on June 5, 2010 at 7:44 PM
I read a couple of days ago that Erdogan wants to have a bi-lateral meeting with Putin after some type of regional powwow in the near future.
onlineanalyst on June 5, 2010 at 7:44 PM
(edited to avoid moderation for whatever reason)
FloatingRock on June 5, 2010 at 7:21 PM
BTW, I can’t believe that that was censored. What, we can’t say “pu$$yfoot” or “enemi@s”? That’s ticks me off.
FloatingRock on June 5, 2010 at 7:27 PM
FloatingRock: Try wording up,and use different words,code
like to bypass those nasty little annoying
fliter units!!!————-:)
canopfor on June 5, 2010 at 7:47 PM
I smell trouble ahead. While I’m no great fan of the Zionists, the stakes are rapidly rising for everyone. Israel may easily risk angering even MORE nations, something it can ill afford, and the Turkish PM is not someone who can be assaulted or imprisoned without serious international repercussions.
Oh yes, and this whole thing could easily be the buck-stops-here moment for Team 0bama on Israel…something I’m not eager to see.
Dark-Star on June 5, 2010 at 7:47 PM
If Erdogan wants to call Israel a criminal and a murderer, there’s no reason why Israel shouldn’t return the favor on this most sensitive of issues.
warren on June 5, 2010 at 7:37 PM
Quite a sensisble proposition.
Archimedes on June 5, 2010 at 7:49 PM
OT: Obama is pro-whale slaughter. Just saw it on Fox. Loves the taste of whale meat in the morning (mixed with arugula and waffles). Has his very own harpoon. Going to lift the moratorium on whale hunting.
andy85719 on June 5, 2010 at 7:41 PM
andy85719: Thats outstanding,my Canadian beavers have been
pestering me,for a whale head that can bob up
and down by their dam*,so little baby beavers
can have a diving platform!!:)(snark)
canopfor on June 5, 2010 at 7:52 PM
Ever notice that since Obama’s apology tour, everyone seems a little bit more comfortable with threatening Israel. I guess it’s part of the “model partnership”.
Maybe Helen Thomas will start wearing a fez.
SlaveDog on June 5, 2010 at 7:55 PM
I read a couple of days ago that Erdogan wants to have a bi-lateral meeting with Putin after some type of regional powwow in the near future.
onlineanalyst on June 5, 2010 at 7:44 PM
The proposed meeting is a follow up, Ankara and Russia have many (now) mutual interests in regards to the Black Sea and accessing and transporting the energy reserves out of the western ‘stans.
For all intents and purposes NATO is an entity that only exists on paper. What to me is very troubling, is that Ankara by way of NATO has access to highly secure operational proceedures and codes that would be of great interest to Russia, Iran and many others. If/when we are able to rid ourselves of the progressives, we need to scrap NATO and pursue bilateral alliances with only those that can be truly counted upon, ie combat ops, and are willing to start ponying up for their defense. That is if we can repair the damage done by Obama’s sleights to our traditional allies.
Archimedes on June 5, 2010 at 8:00 PM
Now where did I hear this Social Justice theme before,
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Justice and Development Party (Turkey)
AK PARTi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_and_Development_Party_(Turkey)
canopfor on June 5, 2010 at 8:00 PM
Good point on Iran, Allah. There is a way out, though.
As a true statesman once explained:
All we need is a Reagan…not a Reagan-in-Reverse.
Noel on June 5, 2010 at 8:05 PM
Yeah he sure was prophetic in the Last Jihad. Many other things too I gather. I only read the first 2 books. I would love to read the Ezekiel Option.
wi farmgirl on June 5, 2010 at 8:06 PM
It all looks like some kind of global Cloward–Piven.
the_nile on June 5, 2010 at 8:07 PM
Could it have anything to do with the huge Natural Gas strike Israel just made?
wi farmgirl on June 5, 2010 at 8:13 PM
This is the legacy of Bowbama, worst. president. evah.
Philly on June 5, 2010 at 8:14 PM
Kurdistan – Turkey
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/kurdistan-turkey.htm
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Mad Dreams Of Independence
The Kurds Of Turkey and the PKK
http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/kurdish/htdocs/lib/dream.html
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The Kurds and Regional Security:An Evaluation of
Developments since the Iraq War.
http://www.brandeis.edu/crown/publications/meb/MEB14.pdf
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GlobalFirepower.com: Strength in Numbers
http://www.globalfirepower.com/
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Turkey Military Guide
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/turkey.htm
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Turkey:
Future Gaza Aid Ships Will Have Military Escorts
Massacre Further Harms Israel-Turkey Ties
by Jason Ditz, May 31, 2010
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http://news.antiwar.com/2010/05/31/turkey-future-gaza-aid-ships-will-have-military-escorts/
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canopfor on June 5, 2010 at 8:14 PM
The “multipolar” world will lead to global balkanization.
the_nile on June 5, 2010 at 8:17 PM
This is why the super-genius will back off. The idiot would be extraordinarily vulnerable on a boat in the middle of the Med.
Complete moron for opening his mouth. Let’s hope he follows through!
alexwest on June 5, 2010 at 8:19 PM
Dear IDF,
Please google Admiral Yamamoto.
Signed,
Smart tactics
fossten on June 5, 2010 at 8:21 PM
It would be, except I suspect the military has been radicalized as well.
steveegg on June 5, 2010 at 8:23 PM
Israel could welcome him with a years worth of Palestinian rockets fired over his ship. That would give him a close-up experience of all the fun being on the receiving end of thousands of rockets aimed directly at him which he seems to think that Israel should sit back and take with a smile.
RJL on June 5, 2010 at 8:28 PM
Why the rush Erdogan? Shouldn’t you be saving some of these stunts for next year, when its closer to election time?
agmartin on June 5, 2010 at 8:36 PM
Could it have anything to do with the huge Natural Gas strike Israel just made?
wi farmgirl on June 5, 2010 at 8:13 PM
Any such strike is news to me, do have a link to anything on this, I would be very much interested in the details.
Archimedes on June 5, 2010 at 8:40 PM
naaah….nothing to worry about, just like that Ground Zero mosque. pffffth.
ted c on June 5, 2010 at 8:41 PM
Guess it’s not such a big deal to become an EU member anymore, so why not just let it all hang out?
missl on June 5, 2010 at 8:43 PM
careful….AP conducted a near-miss ban hammer strike upon me for the mention of that name in the past.
ted c on June 5, 2010 at 8:45 PM
*and he’s been waitin’ ever since to finish the job*
read your mind.
ted c on June 5, 2010 at 8:46 PM
The “multipolar” world will lead to global balkanization.
the_nile on June 5, 2010 at 8:17 PM
As history repeats itself I fear we are reliving the equivilent of the fall of Rome who was the ‘global cop’ of its day. When there were none willing or able to fulfill that role the world fell into ‘The Dark Ages’ or a time of Feudalism. I think the circumstances of Obama wishing hasten, or as they put it manage, our decline is bringing a possible repeat. They are self deluded into that if only capitalism were eradicated, all the ills of the world would vanish.
Needless to say, they know not what they are unleashing being entirely self-possessed in their arrogance of superiority. The consequences may be a regressive state of human existence where life again is nasty, brutish and short.
Archimedes on June 5, 2010 at 8:50 PM
Israel, Turkey, and the End of Stability
Contempt for Israel is contempt for Washington.
Mark Steyn
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Foreign policy “realists,” back in the saddle since the Texan cowboy left town, are extremely fond of the concept of “stability”: America needs a stable Middle East, so we should learn to live with Mubarak and the mullahs and the House of Saud, etc. You can see the appeal of “stability” to your big-time geopolitical analyst: You don’t have to update your Rolodex too often, never mind rethink your assumptions. “Stability” is a fancy term to upgrade inertia and complacency into strategy. No wonder the fetishization of stability is one of the most stable features of foreign-policy analysis.
Unfortunately, back in what passes for the real world, there is no stability. History is always on the march, and, if it’s not moving in your direction, it’s generally moving in the other fellow’s. Take this “humanitarian” “aid” flotilla. Much of what went on — the dissembling of the Palestinian propagandists, the hysteria of the U.N. and the Euro-ninnies — was just business as usual. But what was most striking was the behavior of the Turks. In the wake of the Israeli raid, Ankara promised to provide Turkish naval protection for the next “aid” convoy to Gaza. This would be, in effect, an act of war — more to the point, an act of war by a NATO member against the State of Israel.
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in effect, an act of war — more to the point, an act of war by a NATO member against the State of Israel.
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Its Madness,and there must be an End Game to this
Turkish exercise!
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/index.htm
canopfor on June 5, 2010 at 8:51 PM
big game of “Risk” going on right now. I sense borders being redrawn in the future…
ted c on June 5, 2010 at 8:53 PM
It’s not like any secular-ish Muslim country has turned fundamentalist and become a major threat before, right?
naaah….nothing to worry about, just like that Ground Zero mosque. pffffth.
ted c on June 5, 2010 at 8:41 PM
ted c: Its the ‘Moderates’ that Liberals say they can deal
with.
I do hope they can make deals before they go into
‘Extreme Mode’!!:)
canopfor on June 5, 2010 at 8:54 PM
big game of “Risk” going on right now. I sense borders being redrawn in the future…
ted c on June 5, 2010 at 8:53 PM
ted c: Hopefully,engineered by Israeli Tactical Nukes!!:)
canopfor on June 5, 2010 at 8:55 PM
:O)
Thanks for the warning, but if this isn’t the makings for a perfect storm…
… I couldn’t use a better analogy.
Seven Percent Solution on June 5, 2010 at 8:57 PM
read your mind.
ted c on June 5, 2010 at 8:46 PM
Really? That does not even begin to make sense, are all historical parallels now strictly vebotten? I am in danger of the hammer with my posts about Rome? What about market similarities to ’29? This is the problem with censorship, while certain language is understandably improper, when it snags history itself in its web, we are in very dangerous ground.
Archimedes on June 5, 2010 at 8:59 PM
I’ve always made that comparison. If the US ever fell, it would be the dawn of a new Dark Age. It’s really not even a stretch to say that.
All the little people all over the world who would love to see it happen, would “enjoy” some serious misery. You’d have a few choices, ruthless Commie leaders, corrupt Euro aristocrats or savage Muslim rulers.
reaganaut on June 5, 2010 at 9:02 PM
I am sure that is just one of the many “Laws of Unintended Consequences” that George Soros and Obowma never took into mind when they set out to destroy the United States of America…
Seven Percent Solution on June 5, 2010 at 9:03 PM
Sweetened poison: How Obama lost Muslim hearts and minds
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The Cairo Speech: Reflections on the one year anniversary
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Egypt confronts its role in the Gaza blockade
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Can Obama’s Muslim engagement survive Gaza?
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What exactly is the blockade of Gaza?
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http://mideast.foreignpolicy.com/
canopfor on June 5, 2010 at 9:06 PM
In the mean time…
… In small pockets of the North American Continent, armed citizens of the former United States of America are going back to the founding documents, burning everything else, and starting from scratch.
Seven Percent Solution on June 5, 2010 at 9:07 PM
I’ve always made that comparison. If the US ever fell, it would be the dawn of a new Dark Age. It’s really not even a stretch to say that.
reaganaut on June 5, 2010 at 9:02 PM
reaganaut: From a Canadian perspective,it would be,a,
“LIVING HELL ON EARTH”!!!!!!–:)
canopfor on June 5, 2010 at 9:10 PM
really…..heck, I thought the same thing at the time that I used it–and argued from exactly the same position that you’re arguing. either way, beware and let’s drop it before AP finishes me for good.
ted c on June 5, 2010 at 9:10 PM
reaganaut on June 5, 2010 at 9:02 PM
The problem is that their arrogance & narcisstic certitude can lead them to circumstances that escalate beyond their abstract conceptualizations. Plus they reemain willfully ignorant in their mistaken assumptions that man has ‘evolved’ to some imaginary superior condition than that of what is relatively recently mans behavioral tendencies of mere 100′s of years. It is so evident the asine quips of ‘thats so 20th century’.
Of plans of both mice and men as it were.
Archimedes on June 5, 2010 at 9:13 PM
http://michellemalkin.com/2010/06/05/rush-to-the-altar-and-the-wedding-singer-is/
OT funny headsup post at boss emeritus’ site on Rush’s wedding today. Guess who is singing ???? betcha you can’t guess…. heh
ted c on June 5, 2010 at 9:23 PM
If Turkey does send Military ships, they will no longer be neutral. They will become a combatant in this drama. And should receive all the consequences. However, this will put a major stain on NATO as Turkey is a member. And NATO nations are supposed to support one another.
If Turkey does do this, they need to be tossed from NATO. And Israel will be justified to respond to any acts of aggression from another Islamist nation.
Oh and “Death to America” – Helen Thomas
mechkiller_k on June 5, 2010 at 9:31 PM
You know…
… I wonder what would happen if the United States of America cut of ALL aid to the world from the UN, military, including so called “humanitarian” aid to everyone.
They want to live in a “Post United States World”?
… Let them start there.
Put all of that money into paying down our national debt, securing our borders, becoming energy independent, and updating our military.
If they start with the ‘alligator tears’, then put conditions on the money…
Seven Percent Solution on June 5, 2010 at 9:41 PM
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