Founder of Ground Zero mosque part of group that helped fund Gaza flotilla

posted at 2:15 pm on June 5, 2010 by Allahpundit

More specifically, he’s part of a group that’s funding another group that helped organize the flotilla. Too far removed for culpability? Let’s see.

The imam behind a proposed mosque near Ground Zero is a prominent member of a group that helped sponsor the pro-Palestinian activists who clashed violently with Israeli commandos at sea this week.

Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf is a key figure in Malaysian-based Perdana Global Peace Organization, according to its Website.

Perdana is the single biggest donor ($366,000) so far to the Free Gaza Movement, a key organizer of the six-ship flotilla that tried to break Israel’s blockade of the Hamas-run Gaza Strip Monday.

Here’s Rauf’s bio at the Perdana website. Reuters confirmed with the Free Gaza Movement — whose supporters include William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, natch — that its biggest donation did indeed come from Perdana. Any reason to fault Rauf for belonging to a “global peace organization” willing to give money to another group that promises only “civil resistance and non-violent direct action”? Well, it depends. Did he know that the flotilla was being co-organized by a Turkish charity with terrorist ties? Did he know that goon provocateurs would be aboard the flotilla, some of them from the Muslim Brotherhood? Does he realize that the stated mission of the Free Gaza Movement, i.e. to “establish a permanent sea lane between Gaza and the rest of the world,” will assuredly result in weapons shipments to Hamas? If he didn’t know those things before — and maybe he didn’t — does finding out now change his opinion of the FGM? Inquiring reporters should want to know.

But as intriguing as the Post’s report is, it’s actually missing a bigger story. Go take a look at who the most prominent member of Perdana is. Right — Mahathir Mohamad, former prime minister of Malaysia, Jew-baiter extraordinaire, and prominent … 9/11 Truther. Actual quote: “There is strong evidence that the attacks were staged. If they can make Avatar, they can make anything.” Question for Rauf: If you’re all about peace and healing at Ground Zero, why stick with a charity that’s being spearheaded by a guy who blames the U.S. government for what happened there?

Which brings me to a point that’s been drowned in the uproar over the mosque. A few days ago, Greenroomer CK MacLeod accused the mosque’s critics of playing into jihadists’ hands by conflating radical Muslims with all Muslims. Why punish all members of the faith collectively by denying them a mosque near Ground Zero, asked CK, when it’s the Bin Ladenites who are culpable for bringing down the towers? The problem is, Islam isn’t divided cleanly into “radical” and “liberal” camps, with Osama emblematic of the first camp and, say, Dr. Zuhdi Jasser (who, incidentally, opposes the Ground Zero mosque) emblematic of the other. It’s a spectrum, which includes true jihadis, who are willing to commit violence; those who support them morally (and financially) but are unwilling to commit violence themselves; those who oppose violence but nonetheless believe in Islamic supremacy; those who believe civil law should be supreme but nonetheless condone various forms of cultural self-isolation; and of course truly assimilated, liberal Muslims like Jasser, who risks his life every day speaking out against the scum on the other end.

At what point on the spectrum does Rauf fall? Does his association with Mahathir affect that judgment? How about the fact that, as Greenroomer J.E. Dyer notes, he’s coincidentally chosen to name his mosque after a great Muslim victory over the west? Or, if all that’s too heady, what about his insistence on bringing his symbol of “healing” to Ground Zero despite the fact that the idea’s had quite the opposite effect for many New Yorkers? As I’ve said before, that’s a curious bit of cultural insensitivity, particularly when no one’s objecting to the idea of a new mosque located pretty much anywhere else in the city. Just wondering: If some imam decided he wanted to build a mosque on Ground Zero itself, at the foot of the never-to-be-completed Freedom Tower, shouldn’t we indulge him per CK’s logic? And if he decided he wanted to build it in the shape of an airplane — just to “reclaim the symbol” from the evil jihadists who attacked on 9/11, mind you — shouldn’t we indulge him that, too? At what point is it okay to question motives here?


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Liberty or Death

we won’t miss you. we got plenty other spitballs running around NYC.

audiculous on June 5, 2010 at 6:08 PM

Islam means submission.

That’s what this is all about.

(BTW, audiculous, McCarthy was right.)

Disturb the Universe on June 5, 2010 at 6:10 PM

audiculous on June 5, 2010 at 6:08 PM

Enjoy your dhimmitude.

Disturb the Universe on June 5, 2010 at 6:11 PM

Walid Shoebat, an ex-terrorist, reminds those who denounce radical Islam that one must not listen to what is spoken directly to us, but rather what they say to their own people and believers in their own tongue. You will ALWAYS hear two very different messages.

http://www.shoebat.com/

pjean on June 5, 2010 at 6:12 PM

Running a blockade for a PR stunt… building a supermosque at Ground Zero… so… he’s into provocations?

Akzed on June 5, 2010 at 6:13 PM

(BTW, audiculous, McCarthy was right.)
Disturb the Universe on June 5, 2010 at 6:10 PM

Really? So the man is married to a librarian and reads two books a week, and you endorse the rude insult of a Liverpudlian pothead that he doesn’t know what a library is.

Akzed on June 5, 2010 at 6:15 PM

For crying out loud, these Muslim “peace” organizations are all about expanding the caliphate. For them, “peace” means submission to Allah. How much more of this dhimmitude are we going to tolerate in the name of political correctness? Will we cry Uncle Allah when we are all submissive to shariah?

onlineanalyst on June 5, 2010 at 6:20 PM

Well, Allahpundit, it’s jes’ fine to question someone’s motivation any old time.

You trotting out a really weak chain of names in one of them there attempts to play guilt by association on Rauf because you have nothing anywhere near to showing impropriety on Rauf’s own part leads me to question your motivation.

Is it ignorance or merely disregard of logic and justice that motivates you?
Are you an enemy of America, a second-rate McCarthyite, or just a real nice guy that’s real, real confused?

audiculous on June 5, 2010 at 6:07 PM

Is this drawl supposed to prove some ‘Merican street cred? Gopher Muslims like yourself haven’t improved much over the years or are you just a common tard ridiculous audiculose?

BL@KBIRD on June 5, 2010 at 6:23 PM

I have had a moment or two of clarity about Islam lately.

They are more akin to a political ideology than a religion.

The United States and the entire West should reclassify them as such.

They would still retain the rights of political speech but not enjoy the special considerations that are afforded religion in this country.

Religion does have an extra layer of protection under our constitution because it is a freedom of conscience as well as actions. But conscience is privately held. Islam is public. Almost entirely public.

Islam seeks to conqueror and destroy all others. The purpose of building on the graves of our dead is to further that end.

An ideology with such a goal should not be classified a religion at all. No matter how many times they face a foreign country and invoke the name of a god.

It is politics not religion.

There are more limits on political speech than on religious speech. And due to it’s political goals Islam should be more restricted than a religion.

And no politician should be able to assert Islam is a religion of peace when such a warlike goal of insulting the dead is their aim.

petunia on June 5, 2010 at 6:24 PM

Enjoy your dhimmitude.

Disturb the Universe on June 5, 2010 at 6:11 PM

enjoy the gerbil running up your spine from the inside, Disturbed and Defective

audiculous on June 5, 2010 at 6:25 PM

enjoy the gerbil running up your spine from the inside, Disturbed and Defective

audiculous on June 5, 2010 at 6:25 PM

At least I still have a spine, dhimmi.

Disturb the Universe on June 5, 2010 at 6:30 PM

BL@KBIRD

I’m so uncommonly retarded that I might be profound.

Sorry not to be able to provide the level of droll and sparkling wit so oft evidenced ’round these here parts.

audiculous on June 5, 2010 at 6:31 PM

audiculous on June 5, 2010 at 6:25 PM

Enjoy your grandchildren’s genital mutilation.

Disturb the Universe on June 5, 2010 at 6:31 PM

Disturb the Universe

good for you. just such a shame that the upper end doesn’t attach to anything, you poor, dear anacephalic creature.

audiculous on June 5, 2010 at 6:33 PM

Disturb the Universe

I prefer to enjoy your grandchildren.

audiculous on June 5, 2010 at 6:35 PM

I have been saying this for over a year now. i believe also it is inevitable.

But first i am afraid there will be civil war.

jsunrise on June 5, 2010 at 3:13 PM

Well, it sure ain’t gonna happen any other way.

Gang-of-One on June 5, 2010 at 6:36 PM

thanks, kids. it was a bit of utterly stupid name-calling, but it’s time to put away childish things now.

audiculous on June 5, 2010 at 6:38 PM

Archimedes on June 5, 2010 at 3:31 PM

Vichy-Dhimmi Government works for me.

onlineanalyst on June 5, 2010 at 6:43 PM

Isn’t the UN already serving as a multi-story mosque?

onlineanalyst on June 5, 2010 at 6:45 PM

I prefer to enjoy your grandchildren.

audiculous on June 5, 2010 at 6:35 PM

Spoken like a true follower of Mohammed. I’m sure you’d like them about 6 to 9 years old, huh.

Disturb the Universe on June 5, 2010 at 6:50 PM

BL@KBIRD

I’m so uncommonly retarded……

audiculous on June 5, 2010 at 6:31 PM

Indeed you are.

BL@KBIRD on June 5, 2010 at 6:51 PM

thanks, kids. it was a bit of utterly stupid name-calling, but it’s time to put away childish things now.

audiculous on June 5, 2010 at 6:38 PM

Have to run off and register with a certain government agency that monitors sickos?

Disturb the Universe on June 5, 2010 at 6:51 PM

thanks, kids. it was a bit of utterly stupid name-calling, but it’s time to put away childish things now.

audiculous on June 5, 2010 at 6:38 PM

I smell Narutoboy and/or The Race Card.

ddrintn on June 5, 2010 at 6:59 PM

The idea of building a mosque around the Twin Towers site is an obamanation and should be stopped, whatever the cost.

This is a national shrine. It represents more than those who died on 9/11. Who the Hell thinks like this? Not normal, mainstream people.

While we’re at it, how about some good old fashioned Sharia Law?

R Square on June 5, 2010 at 7:00 PM

This program celebrates the conquest of the Iberian peninsula and denigrates Christian conquest or influence everywhere else, referring to it as “oppressive imperialism.” The program also explains the protection racket of Dhimmitude, where non-Islamic residents are allowed to exist in relative peace by Muslim overlords for a relatively steep payment of money to those imperialists.

ExpressoBold: I believe that we should call Islamism an “oppressive imperialism” and a “hegemony” since the design of the Muslims is to grow the caliphate around the world.

Americans shrink from being called imperialists or of having hegemonic designs on other nations and end up apologizing like good little dhimmis or pinkos. In fact, it is those who want to destroy liberty and capitalism that are guilty of aggression and demand capitulation.

Why don’t we simply refer to the encroachment of this alien culture as Muslim imperialism and put those practitioner and their sympathizers on the defensive?

onlineanalyst on June 5, 2010 at 7:00 PM

I smell Narutoboy and/or The Race Card.

ddrintn on June 5, 2010 at 6:59 PM

Interchangable trolls, useful idiots, dhimmi fools and taqiyya experts.

Disturb the Universe on June 5, 2010 at 7:04 PM

Tav on June 5, 2010 at 5:48 PM

Brennan has already used the name Al Quds for Israel in official speeches.

onlineanalyst on June 5, 2010 at 7:05 PM

CK MacLeod has noticed this post and is whining already.

OhioCoastie on June 5, 2010 at 7:17 PM

Let’s see….how long before the people of the United States open their eyes and catch on to what’s going’ on?

afotia on June 5, 2010 at 7:23 PM

Disturb the Universe

I prefer to enjoy your grandchildren.

audiculous on June 5, 2010 at 6:35 PM

Hammer.

profitsbeard on June 5, 2010 at 7:24 PM

Why don’t we simply refer to the encroachment of this alien culture as Muslim imperialism and put those practitioner and their sympathizers on the defensive?

onlineanalyst on June 5, 2010 at 7:00 PM

“Muslim Imperialism” is exactly right.

Turkey is the prime example right now.

How much more Imperialist can you get than to deny Israelis the right to self-defense.

petunia on June 5, 2010 at 7:25 PM

Tomorrow there is a rally against this obscene mosque in NYC.

D-Day.

profitsbeard on June 5, 2010 at 7:36 PM

This damn mosque will not be built!

MCGIRV on June 5, 2010 at 8:04 PM

CK MacLeod has noticed this post and is whining already.

OhioCoastie on June 5, 2010 at 7:17 PM

Typical. Can’t wait to see his. We’ll drown in sneering despisement.

MadisonConservative on June 5, 2010 at 8:12 PM

petunia on June 5, 2010 at 6:24 PM

YES… excellent analysis and perfect solution!! I’m with you on this. It’s perfect because they do indeed believe their religion should be everyone’s government. Which makes it political, not religious.

Joy on June 5, 2010 at 8:24 PM

How is that NYC? Feel better now.

Mr. Joe on June 5, 2010 at 8:37 PM

Akzed on June 5, 2010 at 6:15 PM

UMM… He said McCarthy… Not McCartney.

LegendHasIt on June 5, 2010 at 8:37 PM

One thing about Bloomberg, like Jimmy Carter and Obama, he’s never met a terrorist, dictator or despot he didn’t like. I think New York City should not receive any more of our money to keep them safe from “terrorists”. They invite them in.

Wills on June 5, 2010 at 8:44 PM

What audilicious, Naturoboy, The Race Card and CK MacLeod all share in common is that they believe discrimination is wrong. This is why further evidence re the mosque will not lead them to change their minds. To do that they would have to abandon the prinicple of non-discrimination.

New York is no longer the Empire State. It is now the Caliphate State.

aengus on June 5, 2010 at 9:24 PM

Hey, scroow you, Blake.

There is nothing in anything I have posted that suggests that I think we should kow-tow to these guys. It is completely clear to anyone with a 5th grade reading level that I accept that this mosque is intended as an insult (or worse) and that the guy in question is linked to terrorism.

Y-not on June 5, 2010 at 3:09 PM

Blow me, Y-not. You have to have a screw loose to think there would ever be a silver lining in acquiescence to Islam.

Blake on June 5, 2010 at 9:55 PM

So ,I get repremanded by suggesting we defend ourselves from this butchering religion in an off color manner, yet you advertise this web sight on Hotair,
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/, sorry.

Pass the milk, cookies and paintball guns.

ambuldog on June 5, 2010 at 9:56 PM

You trotting out a really weak chain of names in one of them there attempts to play guilt by association on Rauf because you have nothing anywhere near to showing impropriety on Rauf’s own part leads me to question your motivation.

There is association and then there is association and your motivation is rather clear.

Is it ignorance or merely disregard of logic and justice that motivates you?

You have abandoned both logic and justice and now they both scorn you.

Are you an enemy of America, a second-rate McCarthyite, or just a real nice guy that’s real, real confused?

audiculous on June 5, 2010 at 6:07 PM

Physician, heal thyself. Your lame attempt at little parlor tricks fools no one.

Tav on June 5, 2010 at 9:58 PM

Walid Shoebat, an ex-terrorist, reminds those who denounce radical Islam that one must not listen to what is spoken directly to us, but rather what they say to their own people and believers in their own tongue. You will ALWAYS hear two very different messages.

http://www.shoebat.com/

pjean on June 5, 2010 at 6:12 PM

On the matter of Walid Shoebat, if you ever get a chance to hear hear him in person, he is a very passionate and inspiring speaker.

Tav on June 5, 2010 at 10:02 PM

lame attempt at little parlor tricks fools no one.

Tav on June 5, 2010 at 9:58 PM

then my failure here is notable because there are quite a few posts and many comments on this site that don’t rise even to the level of trickery.
this post is most certainly one of them.
please, Tav, be my guest, and point to a single thing that Rauf has done, not something that his mother’s girlfriend’s sister’s brother’s pet goat has done, that’s impermissible.

audiculous on June 5, 2010 at 10:41 PM

audiculous on June 5, 2010 at 10:41 PM

So advocating the imposition of Sharia Law on countries, stating within days of 9/11 that Muslims weren’t involved and then working towards putting a mosque two blocks from Ground Zero (to be completely on the 10th anniversary of 9/11) in order to heal things from this supposed religious war that Muslims supposedly tried to start just a few years later, and having a connection to both a group that issued a fatwa because a Muslim sold land to a Christian for a church to be built and an organization that just staged this attempted run of an Israeli blockade aren’t enough for us to start wondering if he’s really such a peaceful kinda a guy?

I don’t see that he’s done anything illegal or anything that should prevent him from being able to build this religious center, but I fail to see what’s so noble in him that makes you defend him this way. The guy’s at the very least a little shady if not entirely malicious. For a man so intent on changing the symbolism of the 9/11 attacks, he sure is slow to denounce any malicious intent by the ship that attempt to run the blockade or any one he’s been associated with except for this country.

Esthier on June 5, 2010 at 11:23 PM

The very notion of a mosque on this site destroyed by islamists is a travesty. It must not pass! It mosque not pass either! I am enraged. At least “they” can be relatively certain that no large domestic fuel laden aircraft would ever be deliberately crashed into proposed mosque. Heavens no! This mosque thing is a pile of crap and will remain so even if built–a pile of crap.

Sherman1864 on June 5, 2010 at 11:59 PM

Esthier—please show me what I missed here

stating within days of 9/11 that Muslims weren’t involved

would you please lead me to where Rauf said that.

audiculous on June 6, 2010 at 12:06 AM

My, my, ISLAM’S one big happy world family of, whining, playing the victim, building mosques, suicide bombers, preaching and fomenting hate, overthrowing governments, subjugation, Dhimmitude or else, Hamas, Hesbullah, shipping drugs/arms, genocide, breaking blockaides etc, a religion of peace, who’d thunk otherwise? /Sarcasm

byteshredder on June 6, 2010 at 12:13 AM

There is strong evidence that the attacks were staged. If they can make Avatar, they can make anything.

Clean up an oil spill, stage a terrorist attack…

When the government needs a tough job done right, they always turn to James Cameron.

RINO in Name Only on June 6, 2010 at 12:15 AM

It needs to be said
and he says it best

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjS0Novt3X4

macncheez on June 6, 2010 at 3:12 AM

mosques are enemy outposts.
islam is slavery and is incompatible with Liberty.
If the koran were printed and presented today it would be condemned as hate speech. Read the damned thing then defend it.
Our radical islamic enemies will see victory and weakness behind allowing a mosque to be raised at such a place…and that’s all they’ll see.
I would approve of this mosque on one condition. That a Church be built next to it, twice as tall as the tallest minaret. There would have to be a series of crosses built all round so that the shadow of at least one of the crosses would overshadow and make small that enemy encampment.
Better still…allow the mosque when a Church is built in Saudi Arabia.
There is a much simpler solution. One need but walk a pig over the ground where the mosque is planned. That will defile it utterly and completely and no mosque can be built.
I know I’ve mentioned this before…search for “Khomeini’s little green book of islamic jurisprudence”. Sickness beyond your imaginings…approved of by the ayatoilet. Any religion that has rules for sex with babies and animals has got to go…
No…I don’t hate muslims, I hate islam. Hating muslims for being muslims would be like hating a cancer patient for having cancer. you can hate cancer without hating the victim of it… duh

Army Brat on June 6, 2010 at 3:31 AM

breaking

foxnews is reporting that a few guys in NJ were captured planning to board flights in a terror plot. The big surprise? yep, they’re muslims. same shiite, different day.

ted c on June 6, 2010 at 5:48 AM

ted c on June 6, 2010 at 5:48 AM

God help us. Loved your comments about Israel last night, ted. Had a long talk with my kids this morning. That’s all I can say for now. God bless you.

Grace_is_sufficient on June 6, 2010 at 10:36 AM

Noon today in NYC at the corner of Liberty (appropriate) and Church (ironic) Streets.

Rally Against Islamic Imperialism in the form of a 9/11 mega-maosque.

profitsbeard on June 6, 2010 at 11:30 AM

The problem is that Turkey started out with good intentions as well…look at them now. Once the influx of nuts begins…there is no turning back. This is a strategic choice not one of hatred.

tomas on June 6, 2010 at 11:32 AM

charming. what a surprise.

Mr. Joe on June 6, 2010 at 11:34 AM

allow the mosque when a Church is built in Saudi Arabia

Now THAT’S an idea whose time has come!

oldleprechaun on June 6, 2010 at 11:59 AM

UMM… He said McCarthy… Not McCartney.
LegendHasIt on June 5, 2010 at 8:37 PM

Oh.

“Never mind.”

Akzed on June 6, 2010 at 12:18 PM

yeah, and it isn’t political putting a mosk there. Give me a break.

moyeti on June 6, 2010 at 12:39 PM

Oh.

“Never mind.”

Akzed on June 6, 2010 at 12:18 PM

lol

Disturb the Universe on June 6, 2010 at 1:16 PM

Strange bedfellows the tie dye Deadheads and the throat slitting religious fanatics.

Saltysam on June 6, 2010 at 1:25 PM

allow the mosque when a Church is built in Saudi Arabia

Now THAT’S an idea whose time has come!

oldleprechaun on June 6, 2010 at 11:59 AM

Here’s a better suggestion:

Disallow mosques to be built, just as the Saudis disallow churches to be built.

Shy Guy on June 6, 2010 at 1:32 PM

God help us. Loved your comments about Israel last night, ted. Had a long talk with my kids this morning. That’s all I can say for now. God bless you.

Grace_is_sufficient on June 6, 2010 at 10:36 AM

God bless you too. Thanks!

ted c on June 6, 2010 at 2:29 PM

Shy Guy

yeah, great idea…. cause we want to be just like the friggin Saudi governmnet

audiculous on June 6, 2010 at 2:43 PM

yeah, great idea…. cause we want to be just like the friggin Saudi governmnet
audiculous on June 6, 2010 at 2:43 PM

Until Islam is stripped of 1st Amendment protections as a religion and recognized as a threat to overthrow non-Islamic governments by violence, as plainly stated in the Koran and by it’s faithful followers, we are on the road to becoming the next Malmo.

The Bill of Rights is not a suicide pact.

Akzed on June 6, 2010 at 5:07 PM

Akzed

that’s major-league dumb.

have you no understanding of the lunacy of having the state outlaw a religion?

you’re idea is idiotic and you’re willing to scrap our American system for no flippin reason…we’re quite able to use our legal system to deal with dangerous or immoral conduct we call such things crimes or war.

you deserve to be put into some kind of remedial citizenship class ,,,,, and if you can’t muster the intelligence to pass the course…. our system has ways of dealing with that.

audiculous on June 6, 2010 at 5:57 PM

Islam is a terrorist group They know it. Obama, the traitor knows it. Holder knows it. This tells you about the anti-americans in charge of the govt. Traitors, all.

proconstitution on June 6, 2010 at 9:49 PM

All muslims are radical, let’s stop pretending they’re not. Anyone who can follow a man who was a sadistic mass murderer like mohammed has major issues that almost surely deserve professional assistance.

If a serial killer started a religion today, we’d shun his followers, we’d run them out of town, we’d ban them from gathering. Yet, somehow, a serial killer started a religion in the 7th century, and we’re all like- let’s not judge ALL of his followers. That’s just not fair.

Insanity.

TheBlueSite on June 6, 2010 at 11:28 PM

have you no understanding of the lunacy of having the state outlaw a religion?

audiculous on June 6, 2010 at 5:57 PM

Goodbye and good luck.

Shy Guy on June 7, 2010 at 12:07 AM

Goodbye and good luck.

Shy Guy

thanks. where you off to?

audiculous on June 7, 2010 at 3:14 AM

I’m in Israel, the eternal capital of the Jewish people.

But wherever I am, it’s my hope that people won’t tolerate the intolerable. That is what people like you are doing in the United States.

To repeat: goodbye and good luck. You’ll find out.

Shy Guy on June 7, 2010 at 8:43 AM

Shy Guy

Have your Israelis forbidden the building of mosques or outlawed Islam?

What the heck do you find to be intolerable? Are you a militant atheist?

audiculous on June 7, 2010 at 1:25 PM

have you no understanding of the lunacy of having the state outlaw a religion? audiculous on June 6, 2010 at 5:57 PM

Have you no understanding that islam is a totalitarian form of government in the guise of a religion? islam wants you to convert. That’s one choice. You can submit, keep your religion and pay the jizya but your worth as a citizen plummets as a non-mulsim. Or…you can die or more precisely be murdered for failing to convert or submit.

Read the koran, the hadiths and the surrahs then get back to me.

You do realize that Saudi Arabia has outlawed ALL religions EXCEPT islam?

And..sorry Pal…any religion that gives you rules for sodomizing babies and sex with animals has got to go. Search for the Ayatollahs Khomeini’s little green book of islamic jurisprudence and find a way to defend sex with babies as outlined in that book of horrors.
If you can defend islam you can defend anything…why not defend NAMBLA while you’re at it?

Army Brat on June 7, 2010 at 3:41 PM

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