Helen Thomas: Go home to Europe, Jews

posted at 4:10 pm on June 4, 2010 by Allahpundit

Tony Snow once accused her of stating “the Hezbollah view” in her questions during the Israel/Lebanon war. Little did he know how right he was. Or maybe he did know: Watching this, it occurred to me that an 89-year-old reporter who’s moved in elite D.C. circles for decades has probably let slip her preference for Judenrein in the Holy Land once or twice whilst among colleagues. And yet, if she’s suffered even a single repercussion for it, it’s news to me. Such is the state of the left that one of their journalistic patron saints can spend years during the press briefings belching up anti-Israel propaganda and inveighing against a “deliberate massacre” that hasn’t even been investigated yet and, aside from a few righty blogs, no one bats an eye. I’ll be surprised if even this ode to a one-state “solution” draws much heat. If, as the world’s intelligentsia insists with varying degrees of candor, Israel is the basic problem in the region, what could be more logical than Helen wanting to excise it? That’s how you treat tumors, isn’t it?

Speaking of which. To put this in proper context for you, compare these comments from the grand dame of the D.C. press corps to those of another prominent critic of Israel offered five years ago. The Hezbollah view indeed:

Iran’s hardline President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said that if Germany and Austria feel responsible for massacring Jews during World War II, a state of Israel should be established on their soil…

“You oppressed them, so give a part of Europe to the Zionist regime so they can establish any government they want. We would support it,” he said, according to a transcript of his original Farsi-language comments given to AFP.

“So, Germany and Austria, come and give one, two or any number of your provinces to the Zionist regime so they can create a country there which all of Europe will support and the problem will be solved at its root,” he said.

“Why do they insist on imposing themselves on other powers and creating a tumour so there is always tension and conflict?”

Some of you will want to e-mail the White House or Hearst after watching to demand that she be kicked out of the daily briefings going forward. Resist the urge. Drudge has picked up the video so the powers-that-be will surely see it. If, absent public pressure forcing them to act, they’re untroubled by it, then fine. Let her sit there and ask her questions, and whenever you see her onscreen, take it as a reminder that there really are ideological tumors growing out there.


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If Europe falls to Islam, it will not be because Islam conquered them… it will be because Europe gave themselves away.

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 8:59 PM

It is about the size of the fight in the dog.

And currently, they are sizing up the US and are seeing an Achilles heel. THAT is provocative.

Saltysam on June 4, 2010 at 9:08 PM

Suggesting that the Jews are the problem with global stability, and that the best solution is to put them on a reservation in the Southwestern United States is about as provocative as it gets.

Saltysam on June 4, 2010 at 9:11 PM

So wait…you’re perfectly fine with the Crusaders or the Ottomans driving out the Jews and calling it theirs…but the Jews come back in and take control, and hold off the invaders…and you’re basically telling them to give it up?

MadisonConservative on June 4, 2010 at 8:45 PM

Yeah… except the Jews didn’t come back in and take control. It was in fact the British that came in and took control.

The Brits could, no doubt, hold that land. they were a world class power.

The question is, can the Israelis?

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 9:11 PM

No… moderate turkey that was for half a century a bulwark against the Soviets and a valuable NATO ally.

Oops… I guess they’re one in the same. Funny that. Either way, there is no doubt, especially in recent days, that we are losing them, and we are losing them in part over Israel.

And the Soviets were our ally against Nazi Germany. And we helped Afghanistan fight the Soviets. So? When has Israel ever been an adversary of the US? When did Morgenthau speak of Israel as “a place of horror. I had reached the end of my resources. I found intolerable my further daily association with men, however gracious and accommodating…who were still reeking with the blood of nearly a million human beings” Oh, right. That was Turkey.

Now, are you trying to sell me on the idea that if Israel wasn’t there, but in Madagascar, that they wouldn’t still be at the harboring stage?

Because I ain’t buying it.

And had we put Israel in the US or in Madagascar, that wouldn’t even be an issue.

So the Mufti getting a hard-on for the wiping out of the Jews 20 years before the creation of the current Israeli state was because…um…he could see the future?

I don’t care what you’re buying. Anti-semitism is worldwide. If it wasn’t Israel, it would be elsewhere. They want them to disappear from history.

I’ll grant you, it would have made more sense before they invested the resources and effort into it.

Of course, if it all goes up in a mushroom cloud… well, I think you get the idea.

You could say the same about America. You seem to be in favor of quivering before enemies. If you’re an isolationist, a paleocon, someone who thinks Ron Paul and Lew Rockwell and Pat Buchanan are the bee’s knees, I’d prefer to know.

You already know this, as we’ve been over this ground before, but I am not worried about the Muslim ubermensch rising up and conquering the world. As a society, they can barely tie their own shoes. They can’t even begin to conceive of the ideas and principles that lift the airplanes off the ground that they were able to crash into our buildings.

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 8:59 PM

So they’re too backwards to threaten us, but they’re on the brink of obliterating Israel.

Dude, you’re delusional and inconsistent.

MadisonConservative on June 4, 2010 at 9:13 PM

Yeah… except the Jews didn’t come back in and take control. It was in fact the British that came in and took control.

The Brits could, no doubt, hold that land. they were a world class power.

The question is, can the Israelis?

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 9:11 PM

Yeah, the Brits controlled it…for 27 years.

The Israelis have controlled it…for 62 years.

You seem to have great faith in the British, who are currently losing their own country to Islamic radicals, and who held Israel for less than half the time Israel did.

You make little sense, bud.

MadisonConservative on June 4, 2010 at 9:16 PM

Deport Helen Thomas back to her home country.

Hell.

profitsbeard on June 4, 2010 at 9:16 PM

Hey, you know who truly can’t win their wars without our help? Britain. Yeah, we should have just let ole Hitler take over.

Aslans Girl on June 4, 2010 at 8:43 PM

Problem is, there is a very clear cut case for backing up Britain. They were a world power, in a very important region, upon which very serious balance of power questions hung.

Israel… not so much. Not a world power, in the middle of a backwards region, who if they fell wouldn’t affect the balance of power as much as any but the smallest of European nations.

So, where exactly is our national interest? The only satisfactory answer I’ve gotten is in the intelligence they provide us.

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 9:17 PM

Yes

Cede to cretins and let valuable land be turned to squallor

guess what

the cretins will still be mad and will have yet another cause created to sate their rabid souls

haha

if you cause enogh bloodshed you will get your way….

God

we need general Pershing back for a moment since backbones are in small supply

Sonosam on June 4, 2010 at 9:18 PM

So they’re too backwards to threaten us, but they’re on the brink of obliterating Israel.

Dude, you’re delusional and inconsistent.

MadisonConservative on June 4, 2010 at 9:13 PM

You seem to be, with a straight face, comparing the might of the US to the might of Israel.

And I’m the one who is delusional.

Settle down, MadCon.

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 9:19 PM

How about isreal is abandoned and in return all Muslims see removed from Europe and the USA

we will drop all ties and let’s see what happens

I’m guessing prosperity for the west and barbarism for the middle east

in fact I’m certain

Sonosam on June 4, 2010 at 9:22 PM

And that advantage is shrinking, not growing.

Oh. Hamas has F-16s and Apaches and the Arrow system? Or anything remotely formidable?

So…um…why do Palestinians still use rocks?

And when Turkey develops nuclear weapons… then what?

Do you get that yet?

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 9:05 PM

If they’re willing to use them on Israel, they’re willing to use them to conquer other nations as well.

Do you get that yet? You keep acting as if Israel is some isolated provocation, and that these Islamic fruit loops would suddenly sing My Little Pony and unicorns would fly from their rectums if only Israel ceased to exist, and they would consider the United States their bestest pal in the world.

You are very, very, deluded.

MadisonConservative on June 4, 2010 at 9:22 PM

The question is, can the Israelis?

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 9:11 PM

You seem to be missing the fact that if Israel can’t hold that land, it is a much larger sign that the West is a paper tiger, and that the US can bend to the will of Allah.

Do you really believe that “secular” Turkey will survive that?

What’s next after that?

Saltysam on June 4, 2010 at 9:24 PM

You seem to be, with a straight face, comparing the might of the US to the might of Israel.

And I’m the one who is delusional.

Settle down, MadCon.

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 9:19 PM

You seem to consider Israel to be technologically devoid, despite moaning over and over about the tech we’ve provided and they’ve improved. For the size of their population and land, yes, they are military equals. If their population was 300 million with the kind of land mass we have, they’d be another superpower. Why do you think they already have a nuclear stockpile?

MadisonConservative on June 4, 2010 at 9:24 PM

You seem to have great faith in the British, who are currently losing their own country to Islamic radicals, and who held Israel for less than half the time Israel did.

MadisonConservative on June 4, 2010 at 9:16 PM

First of all, please stop with the Sturm und Drang about Islam conquering Britain. If the British government were to, at any point, decide they wanted to rid themselves of all things Islam, they wouldn’t even have to break a sweat.

Second, if they had chosen, they could still be holding Jerusalem. Hell, if they wanted, they could, without the US’s help, still hold most of the ME. It would be messy, and they might have to do some things that would look bad on ITN, but they could do it.

And they could do it on their own.

Now, can Israel do it on their own? All I’m asking is that they prove it.

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 9:25 PM

MadisonConservative on June 4, 2010 at 9:22 PM

Oh. Hamas has F-16s and Apaches and the Arrow system? Or anything remotely formidable?

So…um…why do Palestinians still use rocks?

Yeah… those Iranians are throwing rocks I suppose?

No, those are in fact missiles. And pretty soon, they will be nuclear-tipped missiles.

Israel better have something really special to make up for that gap closing.

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 9:31 PM

The Brits could, no doubt, hold that land. they were a world class power.

The question is, can the Israelis?

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 9:11 PM

Ummm… maybe you should look up Israel’s history post 1948…

They wont have any problems holding it. In fact, they might just expand a bit. That always seems to happen when the neighbors get uppity.

JohnGalt23… another useful idiot.

Wolftech on June 4, 2010 at 9:33 PM

MadisonConservative on June 4, 2010 at 9:24 PM

For the size of their population and land, yes, they are military equals. If their population was 300 million with the kind of land mass we have, they’d be another superpower.

And if a frog had wings…

They don’t have our population, or our land mass, or that of any serious power for that matter.

And they never will.

Islamic forces could roll over Israel (sans nuclear weapons). The idea that they could do so here or in Europe is paranoid fantasy.

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 9:34 PM

No, those are in fact missiles. And pretty soon, they will be nuclear-tipped missiles.

Israel better have something really special to make up for that gap closing.

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 9:31 PM

And you are aware that Israel is a nuclear power, right? They have nuclear armed subs for goodness sake!

You know, I know the fact that Israel having nukes has always been a ‘Wink, Wink, Nudge, Nudge’ type of secret, but you cant tell me you are the gullible?

Useful idiot indeed.

Wolftech on June 4, 2010 at 9:36 PM

It could be worse…

… she could be sitting on your face.

Seven Percent Solution on June 4, 2010 at 5:52 PM

True, but really twisted! – 7%

Gang-of-One on June 4, 2010 at 9:38 PM

Why do you think they already have a nuclear stockpile?

MadisonConservative on June 4, 2010 at 9:24 PM

Because they are God’s chosen people?

/sarc

Being the only ones with a nuclear stockpile in the region was a big advantage. That big advantage is, whether you like it or not, about to disappear. If it’s not the Iranians, it will be the Syrians. If not the Syrians, than the Saudis. If not the Saudis… well, who knows where it will end.

So, what is the endgame here?

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 9:38 PM

Islamic forces could roll over Israel (sans nuclear weapons). The idea that they could do so here or in Europe is paranoid fantasy.

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 9:34 PM

Oy Vey! You must be leaving off the sarcasm tag…

You surely can’t be an idiot of the caliber of Jimbo3, crr6, getalife, and ernesto. I figured with a name with JohnGalt in it you would have a speck of intelligence.

I guess Rahm loves those ironic name for paid trolls.

Wolftech on June 4, 2010 at 9:39 PM

They wont have any problems holding it. In fact, they might just expand a bit. That always seems to happen when the neighbors get uppity.

Wolftech on June 4, 2010 at 9:33 PM

So I suppose they don’t need our help then.

Good to hear. Let’s rid ourselves of that thorny problem, the sooner the better.

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 9:40 PM

First of all, please stop with the Sturm und Drang about Islam conquering Britain. If the British government were to, at any point, decide they wanted to rid themselves of all things Islam, they wouldn’t even have to break a sweat.

Are you insane? They’d sweat blood trying to rid themselves of it, given how entrenched it is. FFS, they are recognizing Sharia law in some areas. Places like Green Lane Mosque, despite being centers for fundamentalist indoctrination and exposed as such on national TV, haven’t been touched. Politically, England is castrated. Israel isn’t, and THAT is why they are unpopular in the international community. They have the balls to address their problems. Western nations who fear ostracization for defending their national security are lauded by exactly the powers that would take what we have in a heartbeat.

Second, if they had chosen, they could still be holding Jerusalem. Hell, if they wanted, they could, without the US’s help, still hold most of the ME. It would be messy, and they might have to do some things that would look bad on ITN, but they could do it.

Yeah…like they did with India? Christ…they had to have a war over the Falklands. A war. Those Argentinians were barely more equipped than the Palestinians are. England does not have the balls to hold anything anymore. Israel is one of the boldest states in the Western world. England would have given up every chunk by now, and at best maintained “official sovereignty”.

Now, can Israel do it on their own? All I’m asking is that they prove it.

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 9:25 PM

So, potentially, you’d see Israel nuked just to satisfy your curiosity.

MadisonConservative on June 4, 2010 at 9:40 PM

So I suppose they don’t need our help then.

Good to hear. Let’s rid ourselves of that thorny problem, the sooner the better.

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 9:40 PM

Sure, just as soon as Russia and China stop helping Iran, Syria and the rest of the Arab world against them…

Wolftech on June 4, 2010 at 9:41 PM

MadisonConservative on June 4, 2010 at 9:40 PM

You cant argue with a blind, libtard troll who lives off the goverenment teat, has never had a real job in its life, and has no inkling of the real world beyond what his Marxist leaders tell him.

Wolftech on June 4, 2010 at 9:43 PM

Yeah… those Iranians are throwing rocks I suppose?

No, those are in fact missiles. And pretty soon, they will be nuclear-tipped missiles.

Israel better have something really special to make up for that gap closing.

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 9:31 PM

Yeah…I’ve been hearing that Iran might have enough enriched uranium for 2…maybe even three nukes.

Three. And Israel is waiting to nail their production centers if they think they’re even close to completion of one.

Israel?

Hundreds.

Yeah, that gap is really closing.

MadisonConservative on June 4, 2010 at 9:45 PM

And if a frog had wings…

They don’t have our population, or our land mass, or that of any serious power for that matter.

And they never will.

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 9:34 PM

And Israel will never be in the United States or Madagascar. Make up your mind whether or not you want to dabble in impossible ifs.

MadisonConservative on June 4, 2010 at 9:46 PM

MadisonConservative on June 4, 2010 at 9:45 PM

Exactly. Why do you think Israel moved a couple of subs to the Gulf?

Wolftech on June 4, 2010 at 9:47 PM

Being the only ones with a nuclear stockpile in the region was a big advantage. That big advantage is, whether you like it or not, about to disappear. If it’s not the Iranians, it will be the Syrians. If not the Syrians, than the Saudis. If not the Saudis… well, who knows where it will end.

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 9:38 PM

Again, imaginary ifs. You’re talking about a current closing of the gap…but basing it on situations that have not come close to occurring yet. If the Saudis or Syrians were working on nukes, we would be making an issue of it. They’re not. Iran is working…and apparently might have enough for a juggling act. If Israel doesn’t destroy their enrichment facilities and production plants first, which, we believe, they’ve already done.

MadisonConservative on June 4, 2010 at 9:48 PM

MadisonConservative on June 4, 2010 at 9:46 PM

Give him a break, he got his straw men confused…

Wolftech on June 4, 2010 at 9:48 PM

Sure, just as soon as Russia and China stop helping Iran, Syria and the rest of the Arab world against them…

Wolftech on June 4, 2010 at 9:41 PM

First off, at what point did Iran become part of the Arab world?

Second, other than (maybe) Russian aid to Iran, who is providing the most aid to Israeli enemies? Oh yeah!! It’s the USA.

Talk about delusional.

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 9:51 PM

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 9:38 PM

Dude. Israel took out Syrias plant in 2007. You know, the one they were working on with the NorKs…

L2Google before you troll.

Wolftech on June 4, 2010 at 9:51 PM

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 9:51 PM

Ok.. got me on a technicality. I should phrase it better. I know the Persians in Iran are not Arabs. So lets call it the Muslim Occupied Middle East Area….

And as far as helping Israels enemies… well traitors like you have done more in that respect getting that Marxist in the White House in 2008.

Yes.. I said Traitor. Look up the definition. By electing BHO, people have given aid and comfort to the enemy and have allowed and enemy of the Constitution to seize power and use his regime to destroy everything this country has stood for the last 234 years….

Wolftech on June 4, 2010 at 9:57 PM

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 9:51 PM

Arabic Farsi Arabs Persians, who gives a damn.

What’s clear is that if we all woke up and there was a big smoldering hole where each of their countries once were, it would be better for the rest of us in the short and long term.

NoDonkey on June 4, 2010 at 9:58 PM

MadisonConservative on June 4, 2010 at 9:45 PM

Yeah…I’ve been hearing that Iran might have enough enriched uranium for 2…maybe even three nukes.

And exactly how long do you think that situation will last? if it is even true, which I have my doubts about.

You’re talking about a current closing of the gap…but basing it on situations that have not come close to occurring yet. If the Saudis or Syrians were working on nukes, we would be making an issue of it.

Really? So, that plant Israel bombed out of the blue in Syria was… what… a baby formula factory?

Now, why are you so sure that was the only one?

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 10:01 PM

And if a frog had wings…

They don’t have our population, or our land mass, or that of any serious power for that matter.

And they never will.

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 9:34 PM

And Israel will never be in the United States or Madagascar. Make up your mind whether or not you want to dabble in impossible ifs.

MadisonConservative on June 4, 2010 at 9:46 PM

I liked the one about how Britain could hold Jerusalem , if they wanted to.

If frogs had wings.

Saltysam on June 4, 2010 at 10:03 PM

Yes.. I said Traitor.

Wolftech on June 4, 2010 at 9:57 PM

Good to see you have absolutely no desire to be taken seriously.

Not that you ever gave any reason to be taken seriously in the first place.

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 10:04 PM

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 10:01 PM

Sorry… the Mossad is a million times better than our intelligence agencies in that region. If it wasn’t the only one, there would have been more destroyed.

And before you start yammering about ‘if they are so good, why haven’t they taken out Iran’s', chew on this, sparky….

Wouldn’t it be better to let Iran dump tons of resources into it.. the destroy it right before they can get in real use out of it. Basic tactics right there… not that you can grasp the concept. Reality seems to be beyond your capability to understand from what I have read in this thread.

Wolftech on June 4, 2010 at 10:06 PM

I liked the one about how Britain could hold Jerusalem , if they wanted to.

Saltysam on June 4, 2010 at 10:03 PM

Are you really saying you think that Israel’s military might even comes close to that of Britain?

Please.

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 10:06 PM

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 10:04 PM

Like a paid Troll like you has any credibility.

Wolftech on June 4, 2010 at 10:07 PM

And exactly how long do you think that situation will last? if it is even true, which I have my doubts about.

Iran having nukes? That situation? Not long, as Israel will destroy their holding facilities, or sabotage them. They are particularly apt at strikes to knock out offensive capabilities. Iraq learned that 30 years ago.

Really? So, that plant Israel bombed out of the blue in Syria was… what… a baby formula factory?

Now, why are you so sure that was the only one?

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 10:01 PM

No, it was a nuke factory. And Israel nailed it. Again, they are skilled at taking out the offensive capabilities of their enemies. Why are you so sure they’re suddenly going to fail?

MadisonConservative on June 4, 2010 at 10:09 PM

Are you really saying you think that Israel’s military might even comes close to that of Britain?

Please.

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 10:06 PM

Equal, if not superior. Not to mention that Britain’s rules of engagement paralyze it more often than ours do. Israel is ready to fight, and they’ve been demonstrating that. Your inability to notice their chutzpah is quite fascinating.

MadisonConservative on June 4, 2010 at 10:11 PM

Why are you so sure they’re suddenly going to fail?

MadisonConservative on June 4, 2010 at 10:09 PM

Exactly – the military prowess demonstrated by Arab countries during the past few centuries is laughably tragic ineptitude and stupidity.

Same with the Persians and with the Turks.

NoDonkey on June 4, 2010 at 10:15 PM

The question is, can the Israelis?

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 9:11 PM

You seem to be missing the fact that if Israel can’t hold that land, it is a much larger sign that the West is a paper tiger, and that the US can bend to the will of Allah.

Do you really believe that “secular” Turkey will survive that?

What’s next after that?

Saltysam on June 4, 2010 at 9:24 PM

Carter made this mistake, and look where we are today.

Saltysam on June 4, 2010 at 10:17 PM

How many southern dive bars do you think I could walk into, calling everyone a redneck subhuman piece of filth, before I got what was coming to me? Does that necessarily say something about that entire race of people?

ernesto on June 4, 2010 at 7:36 PM

Crap! And I put “Caucasian” on my census, I was supposed to put “southern.” Since we’re a race and all.

????????

You’ve obviously never been to the south. These so-called “rednecks” of which you speak are neither scary nor violent, even against arrogant liberals who enjoy stereotyping.

citrus on June 4, 2010 at 10:23 PM

Are you really saying you think that Israel’s military might even comes close to that of Britain?

Please.

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 10:06 PM

Dude what is it about the Spartans at Thermopylae that you don’t get? What, after all, when battle is done, is military might?

Saltysam on June 4, 2010 at 10:23 PM

Are you really saying you think that Israel’s military might even comes close to that of Britain?

Please.

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 10:06 PM

Britain has military might?

LOL!

Inanemergencydial on June 4, 2010 at 10:28 PM

Are you really saying you think that Israel’s military might even comes close to that of Britain?

Please.

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 10:06 PM

Britain has military might?

LOL!

Inanemergencydial on June 4, 2010 at 10:28 PM

Actually, they do. I have loads of respect for the military in both the UK and in Israel. You definitely want to be on their side and not against them.

ddrintn on June 4, 2010 at 10:41 PM

MadisonConservative on June 4, 2010 at 10:09 PM

Iran having nukes? That situation? Not long, as Israel will destroy their holding facilities, or sabotage them.

Well, I hope you are right. I doubt that you are though.

They are particularly apt at strikes to knock out offensive capabilities. Iraq learned that 30 years ago.

Qom ain’t Osirak, and Iran ain’t Iraq. I’m not even sure Israeli jets have the range to reach Qom. Even if they can, do you think Iran might be ready for them? And do you think Iran might have learned from the experience, and not put all their eggs in one basket? Think they might be in hardened underground facilities?

Which i suppose leads to the money question… would you support Israel if they engaged in a nuclear first strike against Iran? Because it seems like that’s really what it comes down to.

Are you really saying you think that Israel’s military might even comes close to that of Britain?

Please.

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 10:06 PM

Equal, if not superior.

Okay, you are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.

Israel has a defense budget of around $13 billion. The UK has a defense budget of around $50 billion, or 4x the size of Israel.

Active armed forces personnel for the UK – 240000, all volunteer. For Israel – 176000, at least some of whom are conscripts.

The UK has more planes, more ships… and they have nuclear weapons. (Okay, I admit Israel has nukes too… I just find it funny the lengths they go to to deny it.)

Granted, Israel has the will. But though the spirit is willing…

And all this with the UK spending 2.5% of its GDP on defense, compared to three times that rate that Israel spends. The idea that Israel could hold what the UK couldn’t is ridiculous.

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 10:43 PM

Why are you so sure they’re suddenly going to fail?

MadisonConservative on June 4, 2010 at 10:09 PM

I’m not. I just don’t like gambling on their success, when the stakes are so incredibly high. Not with American treasure, and certainly not with American blood.

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 10:45 PM

Dude what is it about the Spartans at Thermopylae that you don’t get? What, after all, when battle is done, is military might?

Saltysam on June 4, 2010 at 10:23 PM

If I remember my history correctly, the number of Spartan survivors at the Hot Gates was… uh… rather small, was it not?

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 10:47 PM

The idea that Israel could hold what the UK couldn’t is ridiculous.

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 10:43 PM

They’ve held it for over 60 years. And comparing the quality of military units on size and budget alone is misguided to say the least. The military in Israel has to be in a state of readiness that isn’t required for the UK or the US. And they’ve garnered quite an impressive record over the past several decades.

ddrintn on June 4, 2010 at 10:48 PM

Equal, if not superior. Not to mention that Britain’s rules of engagement paralyze it more often than ours do. Israel is ready to fight, and they’ve been demonstrating that. Your inability to notice their chutzpah is quite fascinating.

MadisonConservative on June 4, 2010 at 10:11 PM

Sadly, I agree. It’s not the size of the dog in the fight …

OldEnglish on June 4, 2010 at 10:49 PM

Israel is ready to fight, and they’ve been demonstrating that.

Demonstrated it like a charm in Lebanon, eh?

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 10:49 PM

If I remember my history correctly, the number of Spartan survivors at the Hot Gates was… uh… rather small, was it not?

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 10:47 PM

But Greece remained out of Persian hands.

ddrintn on June 4, 2010 at 10:49 PM

And they’ve garnered quite an impressive record over the past several decades.

ddrintn on June 4, 2010 at 10:48 PM

That record has been tarnished in the last few years, wouldn’t you agree?

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 10:50 PM

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 9:11 PM

Just wondering, have you read the history of Israel’s wars? The ’48 war is fascinating since they were a brand new country attacked by five of its neighbors. Or how about the time they defended themselves so brilliantly in the face of all odds, that they won more land for themselves than they even meant to (and gave it back)? The UN may have “given” them the land, but ISRAEL defended it and fought for it. They are legitmate no matter how one looks at history.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on June 4, 2010 at 10:52 PM

Mission poster confessing his true beliefs.

Inanemergencydial on June 4, 2010 at 10:53 PM

Qom ain’t Osirak, and Iran ain’t Iraq. I’m not even sure Israeli jets have the range to reach Qom. Even if they can, do you think Iran might be ready for them?

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 10:43 PM

It’s hard to say. We always hear how these Islamic countries have formidable military establishments, but they all seem to crumple like wet dishcloths the moment they come under fire.

ddrintn on June 4, 2010 at 10:53 PM

That record has been tarnished in the last few years, wouldn’t you agree?

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 10:50 PM

Has Israel lost territory due to military action?

ddrintn on June 4, 2010 at 10:54 PM

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 9:40 PM

Yeah, let’s stop helping our ONLY true ally in that hellhole just to make the Muzzies stop hating us. Haha. What’s your next joke and will you be here all week? Oh, don’t forget to try the veal!

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on June 4, 2010 at 10:57 PM

Aslans Girl on June 4, 2010 at 10:52 PM

Just wondering, have you read the history of Israel’s wars?

I’ve read quite a bit about the Six Day War, and a fair amount about the ’48 war. Not so much about the Yom Kippur War or the ’82 war.

I’ll grant you, the ’67 war was a mighty impressive feat, and I think Israel never should have given that land back. Hell, I wouldn’t have blamed them if they had driven on to Cairo and Damascus.

But they couldn’t, could they?

And why was that? Was it for lack of military might or opportunity. Doesn’t seem that way to me. No, it seems they couldn’t because their “masters” in DC forbade it.

But of course it is a different world today. Or is it?

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 10:58 PM

unforgiveable

ConservativePartyNow on June 4, 2010 at 11:01 PM

Aslans Girl on June 4, 2010 at 10:57 PM

let’s stop helping our ONLY true ally in that hellhole

Whoa there!! The Bush State Dept told me that Saudi Arabia is a true ally. They told me that Kuwait is a true ally. Hell, at the end, they were even saying that Iraq is a true ally.

Are you saying the Bush Administration lied to me?

Man, I don’t believe in anything any more.

/ do I need a tag?

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 11:02 PM

/ do I need a tag?

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 11:02 PM

I don’t know. Do you have a red herring tag you could use in its place?

Inanemergencydial on June 4, 2010 at 11:04 PM

Has Israel lost territory due to military action?

ddrintn on June 4, 2010 at 10:54 PM

Depends. Do you consider the intifada military action?

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 11:05 PM

No, it seems they couldn’t because their “masters” in DC forbade it.

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 10:58 PM

But, but, I thought it was DC that had Zionist masters, not the other way around. So confusing… /s

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on June 4, 2010 at 11:05 PM

Aslans Girl on June 4, 2010 at 11:05 PM

But, but, I thought it was DC that had Zionist masters, not the other way around. So confusing

Zionist masters insisting on actions detrimental to Israel… GOP Administrations calling our enemies frineds and our friends enemies… dogs and cats sleeping together…

All part and parcel of the insanity of ME politics. Now why on God’s green Earth would we want to be involved in that nonsense?

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 11:08 PM

Has Israel lost territory due to military action?

ddrintn on June 4, 2010 at 10:54 PM

Depends. Do you consider the intifada military action?

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 11:05 PM

No.

ddrintn on June 4, 2010 at 11:13 PM

GOP admin might call an enemy a friend (as in the case of the Saudis), but when has the GOP called a friend an enemy? That’s the work of the Dems, not the GOP.

I’ll agree that the politics of the ME is insane, but not Israel’s part. That is in fact the reason why we need to have Israel’s back: they’re the only sane ones in the whole region.

And they provide fabulous intel to the US on top of it.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on June 4, 2010 at 11:13 PM

I always prefered the allies and friends that the right made

As opposed to the despots and murderers that the left foists upon us

no comparison

Sonosam on June 4, 2010 at 11:18 PM

To put this in proper context for you, compare these comments from the grand dame of the D.C. press corps corpse

“Corpse” is more accurate.

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2010 at 11:25 PM

If I remember my history correctly, the number of Spartan survivors at the Hot Gates was… uh… rather small, was it not?

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 10:47 PM

Ummmm…the Persians were defeated.

*rolls eyes*

Saltysam on June 4, 2010 at 11:37 PM

Ummmm…the Persians were defeated.

Saltysam on June 4, 2010 at 11:37 PM

Uh, not at Thermopylae they weren’t. Xerxes crushed the Greeks there and then went on to take Athens. The Persians were eventually defeated at Plataea (sp?).

Go ahead. Look it up.

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 11:45 PM

Go ahead. Look it up.

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 11:45 PM

Are you deliberately missing the point, or are you missing the point?

Saltysam on June 5, 2010 at 12:01 AM

And only three thousand Persians and their Allies survived after the Greek hoplites stormed their fortified camp after Plataea from a force of around three hundred thousand and I warrant a guess that only a tithe of those survivors were lucky to return to Persia. The Persians may had burned Athens, but Xerxes lost his ships and the majority of his army including his finest generals in the doing. A disastrous campaign to say the very least.

DinobotPrime on June 5, 2010 at 12:16 AM

A disastrous campaign to say the very least.

DinobotPrime on June 5, 2010 at 12:16 AM

And that was the end of Persia’s designs on Greece.

A determined, courageous, and fierce people defending their right to exist on the dirt of their forebears.

JG23 thinks that if Britain could not hold Jerusalem, then Israel can’t.

When Churchill said “never, never, never, never, never quit”, he was leading a people to fight to the death to defend the soil of their forebears.

Big difference.

Saltysam on June 5, 2010 at 12:36 AM

Helen Thomas survey — vote often!

John the Libertarian on June 5, 2010 at 1:08 AM

THAT PICTURE!!!!!

MY EYES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bubba Redneck on June 5, 2010 at 1:34 AM

Give in to the dark side, boy. You will be mine, soon.

God but she looks like Palpatine.

{o.o}

herself on June 5, 2010 at 1:48 AM

THE GREEKS KICKED SOME SERIOUS PERSIAN A$$ NOT ONCE, BUT TWICE – THINK DARIUS AND XERXES.

IF THE FOLKS IN GAZA AND THE WEST BANK WANT A PALESTINIAN STATE THEN:

1) ELIMINATE HAMAS AND ALL OTHER TERRORIST GROUPS.
2) RECOGNIZE ISRAEL’S RIGHT TO EXIST.
3) LIVE IN PEACE WITH ISRAEL.

PLEASE ALLAHPUNDIT, IN THE NAME OF HUMANITY, GET THAT PICTURE OF HELEN THOMAS OFF THE WEBPAGE!!

Bubba Redneck on June 5, 2010 at 1:49 AM

Come on, guys!

JohnGalt23 is a Paultard and as a Paultard in good standing, he must minimize everything the Israelis do.
(and apparently give the Brits far more credibility than they deserve!).

Heads up, JG23: (Once great) Britain is on the verge of becoming Londonistan any day now and there’s not a thing most “British” people can do about it.
The Muslims there reached critical mass to take over about 10 years ago…Tony Blair’s government brought them in illegal for that very purpose.
Research it.
And ever since WWII, the British military has been on the wane in strength and influence.
The Brits didn’t just give the former Palestine to the Jews in ’48, you know; they fought a war there and lost.
As the situation now stands, the U.K. is having a hard time holding on to the Falklands, for which they fought a war.
This is not because they occupy a position of global military strength.

Jenfidel on June 5, 2010 at 2:22 AM

You already know this, as we’ve been over this ground before, but I am not worried about the Muslim ubermensch rising up and conquering the world. As a society, they can barely tie their own shoes. They can’t even begin to conceive of the ideas and principles that lift the airplanes off the ground that they were able to crash into our buildings. If Europe falls to Islam, it will not be because Islam conquered them… it will be because Europe gave themselves away.

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 8:59 PM

Where are audiculous and CK MacLeod to denounce this naked Islamophobia?????

Cylor on June 5, 2010 at 2:34 AM

And where is the moral indignation from the WH press?

diogenes on June 5, 2010 at 8:51 AM

The Persians may had burned Athens, but Xerxes lost his ships and the majority of his army including his finest generals in the doing. A disastrous campaign to say the very least.

DinobotPrime on June 5, 2010 at 12:16 AM

Yeah, the Persians took Athens in pretty much the same sense that Napoleon took Moscow.

ddrintn on June 5, 2010 at 9:06 AM

Good lord that screen shot is scary. You need to put a content warning on that thing.

vcferlita on June 5, 2010 at 9:07 AM

Helen’s parents were Lebanese immigrants…maybe a little biased ya think?

wi farmgirl on June 5, 2010 at 10:25 AM

England would have given up every chunk by now, and at best maintained “official sovereignty”.
–Well there is the rather small matter of Northern Ireland… Or “Glasgow South” as some neighbours call it

Grunchy Cranola on June 5, 2010 at 12:01 PM

(Once great) Britain is on the verge of becoming Londonistan any day now and there’s not a thing most “British” people can do about it.
–Dear Jen,

It breaks my heart to tell you that if Britain is but two shakes of a camel’s tail away from National Prayer Day our relationship with the rest of the ummah is at best highly dysfunctional.

Grunchy Cranola on June 5, 2010 at 12:19 PM

And to think these terrible Jews come to a barren land and thrive, making what was once a unhabitable land into the only oasis in the middle east. If any country was attacked or threaten would they turn the other cheek, and allow the aggressor to go unpunished. Israel must protect itself.If missles were coming from canada or cuba would america stand by and allow this?maybe today under hope and change.

phillyrepub on June 5, 2010 at 12:25 PM

Let’s start with acouple of acts: Judaism is a religion. Islam is a totalitarian political system parading around in the clothing of a religion. European Jews came to be there as a result of persecution and outright slaughter at the hands of the Muslims. Not all Muslims are Arabs but nearly all Arabs are Muslims and it is the Arabs that are responsible for all of the misery in the middle east. Do you history. Here’s a start for you:
http://www.mapsofwar.com/ind/imperial-history.html

LarryG on June 5, 2010 at 1:13 PM

You already know this, as we’ve been over this ground before, but I am not worried about the Muslim ubermensch rising up and conquering the world. As a society, they can barely tie their own shoes. They can’t even begin to conceive of the ideas and principles that lift the airplanes off the ground that they were able to crash into our buildings. If Europe falls to Islam, it will not be because Islam conquered them… it will be because Europe gave themselves away.

JohnGalt23 on June 4, 2010 at 8:59 PM

Where are audiculous and CK MacLeod to denounce this naked Islamophobia?????

Cylor on June 5, 2010 at 2:34 AM

They’re too busy laughing themselves sick at blockheads like yourself. You have nothing but cheap mockery and parroted wingnut talking points to the cold hard facts that John stated.

…unfortunately, Europe IS in the process of giving itself away to extremists. Much like our situation with the Mexican border, all it would take for the ‘invasion’ to be stopped cold would be to stick up “Keep the hell out” signs and have the will to back them up. Their ‘flesh’ is strong but their ‘spirits’ are as strong as a bowl of Jell-O in an earthquake.

Dark-Star on June 5, 2010 at 4:51 PM

Helen can go to HELL as far as I am concerned.

Sherman1864 on June 5, 2010 at 11:54 PM

They’re too busy laughing themselves sick at blockheads like yourself. You have nothing but cheap mockery and parroted wingnut talking points to the cold hard facts that John stated.

Dark-Star on June 5, 2010 at 4:51 PM

1: Your sarcasm detector seems to be on the fritz.

2: That laughter you heard was actually me, first at their glaring hypocrisy, then subsequently at your repeated schoolyard name-calling.

3: Exactly which wingnut talking points have I parroted in this discussion? I must have missed those, can someone help me catch up?

Cylor on June 6, 2010 at 4:28 AM

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