Bush: You’re darned right I would have ordered the Code Red!

posted at 12:55 pm on June 3, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Never let it be said that George W. Bush relied on a hindsight argument to back away from his wartime decisions.  Had Bush said this in the first few months after he left office, the media would have pilloried him as a hopelessly blind warmonger who didn’t know how to make America safe.  Now, though, after three terrorist attacks against the US reached fruition and one resulted in 14 murders, the context has shifted enough to where the media will be more inclined to ignore it:

Bush defended his decision to invade Iraq in 2003, saying taking Saddam Hussein out of power was the right thing to do and that the world is a better place without him.

The former president also stood by the decision to waterboard Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the self-professed mastermind of the September 11th attacks.

Bush said he would quote “do it again to save American lives.”

The two more extensive terrorist attacks failed to work.  The Christmas Day attack attempt by Umar Farouk Abdelmutallab would have killed hundreds of passengers in the air; Faisal Shahzad’s Times Square bomb would have killed hundreds more on the ground, potentially.  In another sense, though, both worked in that they have Americans second-guessing their presence in New York City or on international flights.  Terrorism works not because it kills a lot of people — which it often does — but because it frightens many, many more into changing their behavior and their policies, or at least that’s the intent behind it.

Susan Anne Hiller says this is what real leadership looks like:

Those decisive decisions from Bush kept America safe for 7 years. Now we have got Obama the apologist and panderer and we’ve had four Jihad attacks on American soil in less than 17 months–June 1, 2009 army recruiting base murder, 2009 Christmas Day undie bomber, November 13, 2009 Ft. Hood, and the May 1, 2010 Times Square bomber.

Whose strategy do you think is or was more effective and has America’s best interests at heart?

The controversy over waterboarding has largely died down since early last year, even though the US had stopped the practice after just three detainees went through it, all of them high-ranking AQ operatives involved in the 9/11 conspiracy.  Therefore, the contribution of information gleaned from waterboarded detainees (not actually during the waterboarding process, though) would have diminished in relation to the time of their detention.  They had all been interrogated by 2002, and in 2008 their information was probably doing less to expose attack plots than to track the various financial and recruiting efforts of AQ.

The change in counterterrorism preparedness probably has more to do with the law-enforcement model that the Obama administration has championed since coming to office, as well as structural problems that have plagued the intelligence community since its 2005 reorganization.  The dysfunction surrounding the DNI and the NCTC have more impact on our countermeasures than the lack of waterboarding.  The effort to squeeze a war into the venue of a federal court appears to have made our CT forces gunshy.  We are back at a CYA mode rather than fully aggressive interdiction and a war mentality.

Still, what Hiller says about Bush is true, and may be especially resonant today not so much because of the recent failures to stop attacks than the recent leadership failures of the White House on other issues as well.  In the end, Bush took action (although arguably not enough of it with Hurricane Katrina) and built confidence in his ability to lead and protect the nation.  His priority was to protect the country rather than look good in the attempt, and whether one agrees with the methods used on KSM or not, that leadership ended up saving lives in the immediate term.

Update: Hiller originally wrote “Christmas Day shoe bomber” in error; she asked me to edit it to “undie bomber.”


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Again, look at the classless, tacky Obama. He can’t stop blaming things on Bush, and his worthless political party is planning on campaigning ‘against Bush’ in the upcoming elections (which I hope they get killed in). Also look at the broken down sing-for-his-supper loser Paul from the Beatles; another idiot that can’t keep his big mouth shut and at least try to pretend he has a lick of class. Like Obama, he’s a drug addict, and probably an alcoholic, and it shows in his nature. Paul’s stupid remark about libraries is funny, considering Bush’s voracious reading habits, and the degree he got, which required a lot of reading.

Then, you have Bush. He refuses to go out in the public square and criticize a president that is richly deserving of criticism of virtually all levels, including his spoken contempt of the Constitution and the parliamentary processes used to pass laws. Bush could’ve criticized Obama on his shameful treatment of a long-time ally, but chose not to. He could’ve chosen to criticize him on his lack of response on the oil geyser in the Gulf, but didn’t. He could’ve criticized him on his scoffing at the Constitution and forcing un-Constitutional laws on the People with his stupid ObamaCare, but, again, he chose not to.

Obama and his ilk are the real disgusting and toxic pollutant on the shores of America, not the oil.

Virus-X on June 3, 2010 at 5:58 PM

Another example of why president should not get a standing army.

He should not have the means or authority to do such things.

Spathi on June 3, 2010 at 6:02 PM

Jimbo, I just scanned all the comments you made in the thread. You didn’t talk about the fiscal connection to security once. You were talking about Bush’s leadership abilities the whole time. Damn man, I’d consider your responce to me initially now as something close to lying.

So, I’ll repeat my point. Your comments over the months leading up to the passage of the Health Care reform bill indicated that you were perfectly fine with using Slaughters tactic to pass it. But you decry Bush’s Administration for doing things outside the rules rules to keep us safe. Pathetic.

Take a guess at who the military wishes was still in charge. And damn straight, we’d take Rummy back over Gates too.

hawkdriver on June 3, 2010 at 6:03 PM

Jimbo3 on June 3, 2010 at 5:45 PM

What are you doing here? All you do is nitpick, whine, and parse language. Yes, I expect the government to go balls to the walls to protect us. It’s not like national security is something we can provide ourselves. OTOH, I really don’t care if you drop dead from a health problem in that you can provide you own medical coverage. Obamacare is an obamanation. If you want to sing it’s praises go find a lefty antisemitic blog, if you haven’t a favorite one already. And go ahead and demand that I am banned. I need the chuckle.

Blake on June 3, 2010 at 6:04 PM

What I want is someone who can find better and more effective ways to do things.

Jimbo3 on June 3, 2010 at 5:56 PM

And if that included excetional means?

hawkdriver on June 3, 2010 at 6:06 PM

exceptional…

hawkdriver on June 3, 2010 at 6:07 PM

There was a lame prez named W
Who waterboarded a guy
, it’s true
Said he’d do it again, and Hotair began
to shriek Obama it proves W’s better than you

Dave Rywall on June 3, 2010 at 5:39 PM

First of all Bush didn’t himself waterboard anyone, I realize this was your inept attempt at sarcasm but lets be accurate, the truth is someone in one of our intelligence agencies watrboarded KSM with authorization from Bush.

Secondly there is NO moral equivalence when comparing waterboaring someone like KSM to some of the murderous atrocities committed by fascist Islam; like say flying planes into buildings and MURDERING thousands on non-combatants (innocent civilians) or blowing up trains killing hundreds of innocent men, women, and CHILDREN!

Only in the warped mind of Dave and lefty liberals like him is there a moral equivalence between waterboarding (a technique that does no permanent physical or psychological harm) and the mass murder perpetrated by KSM on 9-11!

Yeah, lets all feel sorry for the mass murderer KSM because he was subjected to the sensation of drowning, something so much more heinous compared to the murdered thousands on 9-11 some of whom leaped to their ultimate death from a burning skyscraper, or were incinerated or those that were crushed by debris from the falling buildings…because what happened to KSM was far more horrific!

There is no moral equivalence and deep down you know that to be true Dave, but please do carry on with your stale and illogical liberal memes…they stand up so well and are winning you so much respect!

Liberty or Death on June 3, 2010 at 6:08 PM

canopfor on June 3, 2010 at 3:59 PM

C’mon, man! I meant you and Drywall aren’t of the same species!!!!

;)

Sorry…

ladyingray on June 3, 2010 at 6:11 PM

Blake on June 3, 2010 at 6:04 PM

Liberty or Death on June 3, 2010 at 6:08 PM

Great comments.

hawkdriver on June 3, 2010 at 6:11 PM

First of all Bush didn’t himself waterboard anyone, I realize this was your inept attempt at sarcasm but lets be accurate, the truth is someone in one of our intelligence agencies watrboarded KSM with authorization from Bush.

Secondly there is NO moral equivalence when comparing waterboaring someone like KSM to some of the murderous atrocities committed by fascist Islam; like say flying planes into buildings and MURDERING thousands on non-combatants (innocent civilians) or blowing up trains killing hundreds of innocent men, women, and CHILDREN!

Only in the warped mind of Dave and lefty liberals like him is there a moral equivalence between waterboarding (a technique that does no permanent physical or psychological harm) and the mass murder perpetrated by KSM on 9-11!

Yeah, lets all feel sorry for the mass murderer KSM because he was subjected to the sensation of drowning, something so much more heinous compared to the murdered thousands on 9-11 some of whom leaped to their ultimate death from a burning skyscraper, or were incinerated or those that were crushed by debris from the falling buildings…because what happened to KSM was far more horrific!

There is no moral equivalence and deep down you know that to be true Dave, but please do carry on with your stale and illogical liberal memes…they stand up so well and are winning you so much respect!

Liberty or Death on June 3, 2010 at 6:08 PM
——

There is no end
To my straw men
Again

Dave Rywall on June 3, 2010 at 6:19 PM

Dave Rywall on June 3, 2010 at 5:39 PM

And you’re not a poet laureate? Gee!!! I wonder why?

capejasmine on June 3, 2010 at 6:23 PM

The short answer is, yes, I miss W. Any day of the week, he was a better president and leader than President Obama.

hawkdriver on June 3, 2010 at 6:24 PM

Imagine if deadbeat liberals were as tough on terrorists and illegal aliens as they were on fetuses?

Bush was a leader. Even after Obama does nothing but blame, blame, blame for every failure he has, Bush STILL takes the high road again.

Real leaders get things done whether they are popular or not. They don’t sit around and whine/complain and point the finger. Is there any question Obama has no leadership experience? I guess if you consider “community organizing,” lying, finger pointing, deception, dishonesty and total ineptness qualifications for president, Obama is a natural born leader for liberals.

BruthaMan on June 3, 2010 at 6:26 PM

There is no end
To my straw men
Again

Dave Rywall on June 3, 2010 at 6:19 PM

Yet again you prove my points, you provide no substantive rebuttal to defend your position, just more BS quips…and yet you call me a “straw man.”

Project much Dave?

Great comments.

hawkdriver on June 3, 2010 at 6:11 PM

Thanks hawk…comming from you that’s a compliment.

Liberty or Death on June 3, 2010 at 6:38 PM

Miss me yet?

Wolftech on June 3, 2010 at 6:38 PM

The short answer is, yes, I miss W. Any day of the week, he was a better president and leader than President Obama.

hawkdriver on June 3, 2010 at 6:24 PM

and…..roger.that.

ted c on June 3, 2010 at 6:41 PM

Dave- you’re laughable and liberty spanked you.

CWforFreedom on June 3, 2010 at 6:41 PM

welcome home hawkdriver!

cmsinaz on June 3, 2010 at 6:49 PM

I don’t agree with torture or even with Bush on the invasion of Iraq. I’ll always believe that was a “daddy” move. Had we had the financial crisis a few years earlier, we’d be looking at a different story.

AnninCA on June 3, 2010 at 1:12 PM

Waterboarding is not torture. I’ll grant that some people are determined to call it that, but you don’t get away with just asserting that Bush tortured as if it’s an undisputed fact.

tom on June 3, 2010 at 6:56 PM

There was a lame prez named W
Who waterboarded a guy, it’s true
Said he’d do it again, and Hotair began
to shriek Obama it proves W’s better than you

Dave Rywall on June 3, 2010 at 5:39 PM

Oh God, it is the Canuck. Ever notice how liberals like you suck at actually governing? I mean you are good at insulting other people, but when you get the chance to run something, it just sort of collapses.

Obama has only been successful when he followed Bush’s lead. On his own, Obama has been a big fat failure. As an American {something you are not} I am ashamed of the man and his administration.

Terrye on June 3, 2010 at 7:00 PM

The short answer is, yes, I miss W. Any day of the week, he was a better president and leader than President Obama.

hawkdriver on June 3, 2010 at 6:24 PM

and…..roger.that.

ted c on June 3, 2010 at 6:41 PM

I’ll join you in “Roger that” too – +1,000,000 :-D

huskerdiva on June 3, 2010 at 7:01 PM

I don’t agree with torture or even with Bush on the invasion of Iraq. I’ll always believe that was a “daddy” move. Had we had the financial crisis a few years earlier, we’d be looking at a different story.

AnninCA on June 3, 2010 at 1:12 PM

Oh please. Waterboarding is not torture. That is just ridiculous.

And I disagree about the war in Iraq…sometimes I wonder if people even remember the 90′s. I wonder if they remember the Iraqi Liberation Act, the dozen failed force resolutions, the no fly zones, the sanctions, all of that. In February 2000 General Zinni said the greatest threat the US faced was Saddam..he did not say AlQaida. Now it is as if it was all about Bush..as if he just sort of picked Iraq out of a hat and there was no history, no provocation, no problem there to deal with.

The truth is that the sanctions had turned into the Food for oil scam, the largest scam in UN history…and that is saying something. The ability of the US and Britain to contain Saddam was diminishing. And that means that if they did not deal with him then, he would have come back. He kept those programs hidden for a reason.

In 2 years he would have had the weapons back again, and as a matter of fact no one really knows what happened to the weapons that the UN said were in Iraq in the 90s.

No, if Saddam had been left in power, he would be right back at it…and that would not be helpful to the US or anyone. The idea that Saddam was just going to go away or be contained is a fantasy. And if his regime had collapsed from within that would have simply meant more chaos and violence.

Terrye on June 3, 2010 at 7:08 PM

The short answer is, yes, I miss W. Any day of the week, he was a better president and leader than President Obama.

hawkdriver on June 3, 2010 at 6:24 PM

and…..roger.that.

ted c on June 3, 2010 at 6:41 PM

I’ll join you in “Roger that” too – +1,000,000 :-D

huskerdiva on June 3, 2010 at 7:01 PM

Yes.

Terrye on June 3, 2010 at 7:10 PM

You want me on that wall… You need me on that wall!

epluribusunum on June 3, 2010 at 7:12 PM

Waterboarding, though unpleasant, is not torture by any stretch. America is being tortured now by our socialist in chief.

Mojave Mark on June 3, 2010 at 7:26 PM

cmsinaz on June 3, 2010 at 6:49 PM

Great to be back. Thanks!

hawkdriver on June 3, 2010 at 7:37 PM

The title of this blog post doesn’t ring true. In speech Colonel Jessup says “Son we live in a world that has walls and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns.” It is the opposite of George W. Bush’s vision of a borderless world.

aengus on June 3, 2010 at 7:38 PM

Virus-X on June 3, 2010 at 5:58 PM: Sing it! Spot on.

Pavel on June 3, 2010 at 7:38 PM

The short answer is, yes, I miss W. Any day of the week, he was a better president and leader than President Obama.

hawkdriver on June 3, 2010 at 6:24 PM

I second the “welcome home” hawkdriver.

Since you can’t say this as an active duty hero, I will. W was also a far superior Commander In Chief.

He gave his speech up here last night. He got good press, even from the station where Helen Thomas’ niece is the night anchor. (The niece dresses no better than Helen Thomas, she is always WRINKLED!!). That is why I watch the ABC station for the local news instead of the NBC station. I can’t stand to see wrinkled suits on anchors.

karenhasfreedom on June 3, 2010 at 7:42 PM

The title of this blog post doesn’t ring true. In speech Colonel Jessup says “Son we live in a world that has walls and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns.” It is the opposite of George W. Bush’s vision of a borderless world.

aengus on June 3, 2010 at 7:38 PM

I don’t think that is true. People seem to forget that there has never been a wall around this country. Our borders have always been open and porous. That was not some policy of Bush’s…it is our history. Our borders were a lot more secure when he left office than they were when he took office.

Terrye on June 3, 2010 at 7:43 PM

I don’t know, Ed. I agree with the sentiment, but this post doesn’t substantially demonstrate that the attacks since Obama has assumed the presidency have come about due to his posture/tactics, especially because we’ve always known that our 20+ intel agencies haven’t shared information terribly well. Systemic problems existed under Bush, too.

I’m inclined to toss my hat in your corner, but I can’t see the big reasons to do so.

Black Yoshi on June 3, 2010 at 7:56 PM

Terrye on June 3, 2010 at 7:08 PM

Good review and I tried that in a comment the other day. It’s lost on liberals though, Terry. Just like they can all get a laugh out of Sir Paul quipping about Bush and libraries, they can sum up the entire Gulf War effort into “a ‘daddy’ move” dismissal. We will alway be their most convenient definition and arguing with them about it is normally an exercise in futility. You summed it up well though.

hawkdriver on June 3, 2010 at 7:56 PM

hawkdriver on June 3, 2010 at 7:56 PM

Thank you. My memory is not great, but I can still remember Bill Clinton on TV with Tom Daschle standing next to him..telling America that Saddam was a threat to the region and the world…mark my words he said..Saddam has those weapons and he will use them..

Now it is as if none of that ever happened.

Bush did not exist within a vacuum, anything he did or did not do..followed the actions of others. It is true with all of us. But liberals seem to think that they are smarter because they say so, Saddam was harmless because they say soBush was illiterate because they say so. This is why they suck at actually running things. It is about more than a narrative, there are actual events involved..real stuff..oil spills, bad dictators, a crappy economy, etc.

Terrye on June 3, 2010 at 8:03 PM

We are currently suffering a lack of adult, common-sense, American-values-loving leadership. Instead, we have an arrested-development adolescent who is self-referential and self-serving. We have an ideologue caught up in Peter-Pan Utopian ideas that have been discredited historically and that have caused much suffering in the world.

I truly miss W and Cheney.

onlineanalyst on June 3, 2010 at 8:15 PM

hawkdriver on June 3, 2010 at 7:56 PM

I third your welcome home and you’re all safe, sound and in one piece!
Hurray and thanks again for your service to our country which includes tearing Himbo3 a new one!

Jenfidel on June 3, 2010 at 8:17 PM

Dave Rywall

Dave, I’ll admit to you that Bush was no Reagan, that said, Obama can’t even carry Jimmy Carters jock-strap, and that aint sayin much.

You love to slam Bush, in reality, he was an old school Democrat,without the racism, you don’t know what a Conservative is. Politically, is there any difference between W, and JFK? The current class of Democrat is anything but, they now go against the American citizen, want foreign law imposed on the US, control the media, want no borders, want socialist policies enacted, wish to control every aspect of your life, then say how free you are, does that sound like Mao? Open your eyes man…

M-14 2go on June 3, 2010 at 9:05 PM

We’ll win this war when we become as determined as our enemies. Unfortunately for the effetes in Washington, this means death and bloodshed. Trying to be civil to barbarians won’t work, as Bush figured out early on.
If you want to truly be safe, you must be strong and show your enemies no mercy. After all, how much mercy was shown to Daniel Pearl?
Keep Gitmo open. Waterboard jihadis until we have every last bit of actionable intelliegence, then execute them. You’ll see the number of attacks and attempts go down again.
We need to start treating our enemies like the rabid animals that they are.

BackwardsBoy on June 3, 2010 at 1:24 PM

Well Said, I think your pen name here mis-speaks for the wisdom you have displayed with this post!!!

karenhasfreedom on June 3, 2010 at 9:07 PM

Dave, I’ll admit to you that Bush was no Reagan, that said, Obama can’t even carry Jimmy Carters jock-strap, and that aint sayin much.

Somehow I doubt that Dave liked Reagan anymore than he liked Bush. And I think Bush was as strong as Reagan when it came to national security issues.

Terrye on June 3, 2010 at 9:09 PM

yeah. good platform there Bomma. GO with it. Meanwhile we’re wondering exactly what the hell you do for the country there Bomma.

johnnyU on June 3, 2010 at 9:14 PM

The short answer is, yes, I miss W. Any day of the week, he was a better president and leader than President Obama.

hawkdriver on June 3, 2010 at 6:24 PM

and…..roger.that.

ted c on June 3, 2010 at 6:41 PM

I’ll join you in “Roger that” too – +1,000,000 :-D

huskerdiva on June 3, 2010 at 7:01 PM

Yes.

Terrye on June 3, 2010 at 7:10 PM

me too, please.

congma on June 3, 2010 at 9:40 PM

This comment from “Best of the Web” in response to David Obey contrasts the days of W with the ones of O:

“He (Obama) needs to take the country to school on the economy,” said House Appropriations Chairman David R. Obey (D-Wis.),

Umm, yeah…. about that. I’ve got a few recent history lessons that BHO & the Dems have obviously failed. Obey ought to school himself on existing facts prior to the Dems becoming a majority in fed gov’t in Jan 2007;for example,

Jan 2007 DJIA = 12400+ (Today = 10,136)
Jan 2007 Unemployment rate = 4.6% (April 2010 = 9.9%)
Jan 2007 Median home price = $254,400 (Apr 2010 = 198,400)
Avg 401K account balance ending 2006 = $121,202 (Feb 2010 = $64,200)
Dec 2006 National Debt = $8.45 Trillion (Dec 2009 =$12.31 Trillion / Dec 2008 $9.98 Trillion)

And just for fun…

Thru 2007 Catastrophic oil leaks = 0 (Currently 1 and counting)
Close-call or successful terror attacks on US soil 09/11/2001 thru Dec 2008 = 0 (3 in past year alone)

BHO, Obey and the whole Dem class get an F for FAIL.

onlineanalyst on June 3, 2010 at 10:13 PM

Take a guess at who the military wishes was still in charge. And damn straight, we’d take Rummy back over Gates too.

hawkdriver on June 3, 2010 at 6:03 PM

Shame military personnel can’t comment publicly on what a buffoon their President is.

Most military folks love Bush. They know the real deal, and forgive honest mistakes. But this guy now, they’ll never forgive him.

eaglesdontflock on June 3, 2010 at 10:33 PM

Bush wasn’t about talkin’, Bush was about doin’, and what he was doin’ was keeping the people of The United States safe by doin’ whatever it took to get the scumbags to talk.

I’ll take a guy like that over “HOPE…the bomb fails.” ANY DAY.

SuperCool on June 3, 2010 at 10:34 PM

…Bush was a damn#d good President…and has the record to back it up……

Baxter Greene on June 3, 2010 at 10:59 PM

onlineanalyst on June 3, 2010 at 10:13 PM

Let’s count the muslim terrorist attacks on American soil since 9/11/2001:

Bush had 0
Obowma had 3, including 14 dead American military.

I’m sure Bush knows how many states there are and how to plug back an oil well.

dthorny on June 4, 2010 at 12:02 AM

Oh God, it is the Canuck. Ever notice how liberals like you suck at actually governing? I mean you are good at insulting other people, but when you get the chance to run something, it just sort of collapses.

Obama has only been successful when he followed Bush’s lead. On his own, Obama has been a big fat failure. As an American {something you are not} I am ashamed of the man and his administration.

Terrye on June 3, 2010 at 7:00 PM
————–

awesome

Dave Rywall on June 4, 2010 at 2:01 AM

And I think Bush was as strong as Reagan when it came to national security issues.

Terrye on June 3, 2010 at 9:09 PM
——

9/11 whose watch
shh the truth hurts way too much
koolaid all the way

Dave Rywall on June 4, 2010 at 2:03 AM

onlineanalyst on June 3, 2010 at 10:13 PM

Let’s count the muslim terrorist attacks on American soil since 9/11/2001:

Bush had 0
Obowma had 3, including 14 dead American military.

I’m sure Bush knows how many states there are and how to plug back an oil well.

dthorny on June 4, 2010 at 12:02 AM
——-

I give Bush a pass
I don’t count 9/11
I’m a fu*king dolt

Dave Rywall on June 4, 2010 at 2:06 AM

onlineanalyst on June 3, 2010 at 10:13 PM

Let’s count the muslim terrorist attacks on American soil since 9/11/2001:

Bush had 0
Obowma had 3, including 14 dead American military.

I’m sure Bush knows how many states there are and how to plug back an oil well.

dthorny on June 4, 2010 at 12:02 AM
——-

terrorist death count
hey why count 9/11
it makes Bush look bad

Dave Rywall on June 4, 2010 at 2:09 AM

Our borders have always been open and porous.

Hi Terrye. I think we had this debate before. There is in fact a long tradition of immigration restrictionism in America such as the 1924 Immigration Act by the Republican Congress, repatriation of illegal aliens under Eisenhower and under Truman. The last third of the 20th century is unlike previous eras in this regard.

Our borders were a lot more secure when he left office than they were when he took office.

Possibly, but I was talking about the way GWB sees the world. For GWB “family values don’t stop at the Rio Grande”. That is in stark contrast to Colonel Jessup’s worldview in the famous courtroom scene.

aengus on June 4, 2010 at 6:28 AM

Possibly, but I was talking about the way GWB sees the world. For GWB “family values don’t stop at the Rio Grande”. That is in stark contrast to Colonel Jessup’s worldview in the famous courtroom scene.

aengus on June 4, 2010 at 6:28 AM

Oh come on. I remember Ronald Reagan saying that if we were invaded by aliens from outer space that suddenly all of our differences would not seem like such a big deal…did that mean he did not think there was a difference between the US and the USSR? Of course not.

I seem to remember some wise men saying that all men are created equal and endowed with certain rights…etc. The idea being that there are certain things all people share or can share and that is a desire for liberty..it was not meant to imply that there are no borders.

Terrye on June 4, 2010 at 7:10 AM

I’m a fu*king dolt

Dave Rywall on June 4, 2010 at 2:06 AM

For the first time in my adult life, I agree with you….

ted c on June 4, 2010 at 8:46 AM

hawkdriver on June 3, 2010 at 6:03 PM

TRUE

maverick muse on June 4, 2010 at 8:51 AM

If you folks were hoping for any resistence from Dave Rywall, don’t. The troll label might get tossed around here a bit, but he’s the real deal. He’ll just drive by post you all day expending no thought or energy. Best to ignore him.

Heralder on June 4, 2010 at 8:52 AM

Dave R.

Rosie is that you?

lexa on June 4, 2010 at 8:52 AM

hey why count 9/11
it makes Bush look bad

Dave Rywall on June 4, 2010 at 2:09 AM

9/11 made everyone look bad, ESPECIALLY Bill Clinton. Can’t see past your nose again, dumb@ss. Do recall the PRELUDE to the event as well as the postlude.

maverick muse on June 4, 2010 at 8:53 AM

hey why count 9/11
it makes Bush look bad

Dave Rywall on June 4, 2010 at 2:09 AM

9/11 made everyone look bad, ESPECIALLY Bill Clinton. Can’t see past your nose again, dumb@ss. Do recall the PRELUDE to the event as well as the postlude.

maverick muse on June 4, 2010 at 8:53 AM
——
No.
Righties blame 9/11 on the previous president.
But they blame current incidents on the current president.
Fu*king amazing rightie logic.

Dave Rywall on June 4, 2010 at 9:12 AM

hawkdriver

As single minded as Rumsfeld was in his shock and awe that impetuously sent our forces beyond back-up and without proper supply security, AT LEAST his prime directive was to defend the United States of America, with a belief system in full support of our military TROOPS ability to accomplish miracles, despite Congress and the Brass, and despite his own short comings. It seemed that Rumsfeld had the willingness to defend our troops from PC — which unfortunately conflicted with GWB (just as GWB’s “compassionate” love affair with PC conflicted with Cheney, Bush too willing to sell Scooter Libby down the river though Libby had nothing to do with exposing the CIA employee who wasn’t even a covert agent at the time of the Wilson brouhaha).

Whereas, two-faced Gates’ single mindedness is the new guard segue bridging US neoconservatism into the socialist New World Order. Gates is more than happy to expend the lives of American troops in the Middle East war to “win the hearts and minds of the enemy” merely to play on public opinion, antagonizing those who still love America. Despite facade, Gates is hell bent on spending US taxes illegitimately shifting from project to project, never completing any, never maintaining any project, destroying our finest military, all the while allowing our advancements to be SHARED with international Socialists. For instance, aside from forfeiting NASA and our rights to the Moon explorations and the “international” space station that BEGAN AS OUR OWN, what was our Air Force is meant to be arbitered by the EU, whilst the new NATO interpretation leaves the US subservient to UN globalist puppet masters. Since Clinton, the US has freely supplied Red China our highest technological advancements on a silver platter of DEBT. Gates’ the neoconservative aligns with the Marxist US Democrats, Congress and Obama administration, with the objective to limit the ABILITY of the US Military to only have the responsive means for two war fronts, no more. Gates is the extension of Clinton’s alignment of the US as a Communist Chinese patsy.

AND GEORGE W. BUSH PUT GATES IN THAT POSITION. That after choosing Rumsfeld who clearly did not think beyond “shock and awe” assault. Before declaring war on Iraq, or on terrorism, given that Bush DOES read a lot, he knew it was a foolish gamble that he endorsed with Rumsfeld, and true to WWI logic, just kept staying the course that had no tangible objective AND NO WAY HOME. The never ending war. It’s bound to end up here at home since Obama, Gates and Congress REFUSE to protect or even acknowledge our nation’s borders and our citizen rights which are unconstitutionally usurped from citizens and granted illegitimately to illegal criminal aliens and traditionally defined enemies of the state.

Sick convoluted neoconservatism serves as the compassionate facade that complements the same authoritarian conclusions which define the Marxist US Democrats’ “democracy” that dissolves the conservation of our Constitutional Governance by fooling Republicans who presume to support conservatism via “neo”.

maverick muse on June 4, 2010 at 9:32 AM

Dave Rywall on June 4, 2010 at 9:12 AM

You suffer from your own selective memory.

Clinton’s administration DID set up the circumstances allowing 9/11 to happen so conveniently. And Bush’s new administration’s neoconservative “bipartisanship” love affair with socialism embraced Clinton’s appointments as his own. Obviously, some one had the allowance of 9/11 in mind, because “never waste a crisis” is nothing new in politics, though Obama’s administration is raping that critical premise to death.

The creation of DHS, the Bush administration’s response WITH CONGRESS, was not only foolish since it is a huge bungling failure on top of the original failure to communicate, but was the easy sell of the “need” for authoritarianism to the distraught American public. I argue the point needed then and now, as always, is the enforcement of laws and regulations in place, and HOLDING GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES ABSOLUTELY RESPONSIBLE TO FULFILL THEIR JOB DESCRIPTIONS. All that ever occurs is more CYA, and when CYA actually creates a Marxist Federal government that supposedly is not bound by the highest law of the land, the US CONSTITUTION, that spells troublesome misery.

But DHS only became what monster it was designed to allow via OBAMA’S ADMINISTRATION. He owns that ball of wax.

maverick muse on June 4, 2010 at 9:45 AM

lol. Awesome headline!

American Elephant on June 4, 2010 at 10:04 AM

You suffer from your own selective memory.

Clinton’s administration DID set up the circumstances allowing 9/11 to happen so conveniently. And Bush’s new administration’s neoconservative “bipartisanship” love affair with socialism embraced Clinton’s appointments as his own. Obviously, some one had the allowance of 9/11 in mind, because “never waste a crisis” is nothing new in politics, though Obama’s administration is raping that critical premise to death.

The creation of DHS, the Bush administration’s response WITH CONGRESS, was not only foolish since it is a huge bungling failure on top of the original failure to communicate, but was the easy sell of the “need” for authoritarianism to the distraught American public. I argue the point needed then and now, as always, is the enforcement of laws and regulations in place, and HOLDING GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES ABSOLUTELY RESPONSIBLE TO FULFILL THEIR JOB DESCRIPTIONS. All that ever occurs is more CYA, and when CYA actually creates a Marxist Federal government that supposedly is not bound by the highest law of the land, the US CONSTITUTION, that spells troublesome misery.

But DHS only became what monster it was designed to allow via OBAMA’S ADMINISTRATION. He owns that ball of wax.

maverick muse on June 4, 2010 at 9:45 AM
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Hey dumba** I’ve made it abundantly clear on this website that I hold Clinton almost as responsible for 9/11 as Bush.

Dave Rywall on June 4, 2010 at 10:34 AM

Dave Rywall on June 4, 2010 at 10:34 AM

You aren’t Hotair’s most eloquent, wordy, or logical commenter. You should show a little mercy and leniency if someone misrepresents what you have stated in the past.

Inanemergencydial on June 4, 2010 at 11:51 AM

Bush’s new administration’s neoconservative “bipartisanship” love affair with socialism embraced Clinton’s appointments as his own.

Other than Richard Clarke, I can’t think of a single Clinton appointee that Bush asked to stay on for his administration.

Dave Rywall on June 4, 2010 at 10:34 AM

As for the rest of your post, is English your 2nd language?
Because your thoughts, as expressed here, don’t really hang together grammatically all that very well.
Perhaps you should eschew online commentary altogether.

Jenfidel on June 4, 2010 at 11:58 AM

No.
Righties blame 9/11 on the previous president.
But they blame current incidents on the current president.
Fu*king amazing rightie logic.

Dave Rywall on June 4, 2010 at 9:12 AM

Hey dumba** I’ve made it abundantly clear on this website that I hold Clinton almost as responsible for 9/11 as Bush.

Dave Rywall on June 4, 2010 at 10:34 AM

I’ve not misrepresented what you’ve stated. And in a most civil manner, I have responded to your “F*cking amazing rightie logic” smear.

Righties blame 9/11 on the previous president.
But they blame current incidents on the current president.

Perhaps you were admitting that only Republicans hold a sitting president accountable for his own administration’s work or failures. Given Obama’s falling public support for his agenda, and his rising disapproval ratings, evidently even Democrats “feel” that Señor Uno tossed them under the bus.

maverick muse on June 4, 2010 at 12:27 PM

Jenfidel on June 4, 2010 at 11:58 AM

He’s a bitter clinger resembling social contact with herpes and toenail fungus–kept at arms length. Though he’s been @ HA for years, he has failed to mature in the least. Stuck on stupid.

It isn’t as if responding to his comments is a direct communication. Rather, thought for thought’s sake, on a whim, an elucidation.

maverick muse on June 4, 2010 at 12:37 PM

Jimbo, I just scanned all the comments you made in the thread. You didn’t talk about the fiscal connection to security once. You were talking about Bush’s leadership abilities the whole time. Damn man, I’d consider your responce to me initially now as something close to lying.

So, I’ll repeat my point. Your comments over the months leading up to the passage of the Health Care reform bill indicated that you were perfectly fine with using Slaughters tactic to pass it. But you decry Bush’s Administration for doing things outside the rules rules to keep us safe. Pathetic.

Take a guess at who the military wishes was still in charge. And damn straight, we’d take Rummy back over Gates too.

hawkdriver on June 3, 2010 at 6:03 PM

–What did Obama do wrong on Health care? He had 60 votes in the Senate and a majority in the House. That’s all that is needed.

Jimbo3 on June 4, 2010 at 5:49 PM

You didn’t talk about the fiscal connection to security once.

hawkdriver

I want our President to do the smart and efficient things in his power (or that he can readily implement) to protect us within the resources that we’re willing to pay for

So you want the President to spend ten hundred trillion dollars a year (increasing our taxes by fifty percent in the process) to do everything possible to protect the American people, including, for instance (i) prohibiting entry to the US by any people or goods not made in the US; (ii) putting cameras and microphones on every block and every house and apartment; and (iii) monitoring all communications in detail by everyone in the US?

You’re right. It was twice.

Jimbo3 on June 4, 2010 at 5:54 PM

BUSH!!! You did a couple of things I wasn’t happy about but if we could have you back I would be HAPPY!

SgtRed on June 4, 2010 at 5:58 PM

What did Obama do wrong on Health care? He had 60 votes in the Senate and a majority in the House. That’s all that is needed.

Jimbo3 on June 4, 2010 at 5:49 PM

Maobama did everything wrong on ObamaCare!

It only passed the House by 7 votes, after numerous under-the-table deals were made with Sestak and his group of pro-life Democrats.
The House, which was a reconciled Senate bill, was passed by the Senate under duress on CHRISTMAS EVE.
In addition, this was a 2,000 page bill that no-one had read and Nancy Pelosi admitted it!
Nor did either House discuss its substance, because no-one had read it or vetted it.
Is that Constitutional?
I think not.

Jenfidel on June 4, 2010 at 11:01 PM

I want our President to do the smart and efficient things in his power (or that he can readily implement) to protect us within the resources that we’re willing to pay for

Jimbo3 on June 4, 2010 at 5:54 PM

We passed “willing to pay for” with TARP and when Porkulus passed, it became “unable to pay for.”
And thus it continues…

Jenfidel on June 4, 2010 at 11:02 PM

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