New video: Flotilla passengers attack Israeli troops

posted at 2:28 pm on May 31, 2010 by Allahpundit

Via the IDF’s blog. Ed already posted video taken from above the ship as Israeli troops rappeled down but this one’s shot from alongside so there’s more detail. Have a look as the Forces of Peace shift into full-on mob mode, dragging the soldiers to the ground before they’re even on the deck and swinging for the fences with huge metal poles. Some of the IDF personnel involved later described it as a “lynching,” which sounded dubious to me at first but not anymore. That’s what it looks like.

“They beat us with metal sticks and knives,” he said. “There was live fire at some point against us.”…

One of the commandos said some of the soldiers were stripped of their helmets and equipment and a several were tossed from the top deck to a lower deck, forcing them to jump into the sea to escape.

“They jumped me, hit me with clubs and bottles and stole my rifle,” one of the commandos said. “I pulled out my pistol and had no choice but to shoot.”

I’m not sure if he’s referring to a paintball rifle — which, incredibly, some of the troops were armed with in order to avoid a lethal encounter — or the real thing, but according to the Jerusalem Post, the mob managed to wrestle at least two handguns away from the troops. It looks like Ynet’s account, which Ed linked earlier but which you should absolutely read in full, was spot on: The IDF really thought they were facing off with “peace activists” here and didn’t realize their miscalculation until they were on the boat. (See the third clip below for just how badly they misjudged.) The argument from the left is that the raid was illegal because it happened in international waters, but evidently that’s not true either: If a neutral ship is intent on running a blockade after being warned to turn back, the fact that it’s on the high seas isn’t a defense. Apparently Israel was either supposed to let the ships run the blockade, not knowing for sure who or what was on board, or instruct their troops to let the passengers crack their skulls open with lead pipes once they were on the deck in the interests of “dialogue” or something.

The UN Security Council is holding an emergency meeting as I write this, which is interesting since, to my knowledge, it has yet to meet to condemn the North Korean attack on that South Korean ship that’s had the far east inching towards a war footing for months. Netanyahu has already canceled his scheduled trip to the White House tomorrow, ostensibly because he needs to be back home to deal with the crisis but likely because Obama doesn’t want to be forced into an awkward photo op before all the facts are out. I’m awfully curious to see how the U.S. votes on the inevitable UN condemnation of the raid, as relations between America and Israel are already falling apart over the U.S.’s endorsement of a nuclear-free Middle East. That policy won’t do a lick of good to stop Iran but it will catalyze Muslims opposition to Israel’s arsenal, a master stroke which Richard Fernandez describes thusly: “Like a circular-running torpedo it managed to miss its every intended target — missing North Korea and Iran — while hitting Israel.” Read his whole post, as I think he’s right on about a central irony of Obama’s falling out with Netanyahu. A basic assumption of The One’s foreign policy strategy, at least during the campaign, was that dialogue can reduce international tensions by assuring that isolated states don’t act rashly in desperation. Fernandez’s point: Is further isolating Israel when it’s already desperate over Iran’s nuclear program and Hezbollah’s missile capacity a wise idea? We’re about to find out, I think.


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Let us not pick on Ernesto just ask him to read the destruction of the West handbook,The koran.
If you are not a muslim then you must be taxed, convert or be killed. Ernie this is not hard to grasp, the ragheads want you dead,or submissive. These people manufacture little but take plenty,they are the Barbarian Hoard.The best standard of living they have is stuff bought from the civilized world.Tribal living does not lend itself to the formation of republics.The only thing that this enemy of the West understands and respects is OVERWHELMING FIREPOWER!

Col.John Wm. Reed on May 31, 2010 at 6:56 PM

The Weekly Standard is reporting on Hamas-links and terror ties with the “humanitarian convoy” incident.

James Moriarty on May 31, 2010 at 7:01 PM

I can’t believe the Israelis risked their soldiers in what looks like a completely ill conceived and poorly planned operation. Paintball guns? If anyone on earth should know what kind of scum they are dealing with it’s the IDF.

Boxy_Brown on May 31, 2010 at 7:15 PM

The Weekly Standard is reporting on Hamas-links and terror ties with the “humanitarian convoy” incident.

James Moriarty on May 31, 2010 at 7:01 PM

If the AP or any other MSM outlet report this I wonder if they’ll use “unexpected” as a qualifier?

Yakko77 on May 31, 2010 at 7:18 PM

Do you agree that the neoconservative attempts to spread democracy to the Middle East are misconceived?

aengus on May 31, 2010 at 5:54 PM

We must get away from occupation warfare and nation building and execute precision strike operations aimed at denying the terrorist enemy sanctuary.

Who said the above? No “cheating” now.

Tav on May 31, 2010 at 7:23 PM

This shit we are walking around in is now well over our shoe tops. Its getting to be more than ankle deep. This with Israel and the UN, Korea, the EU falling apart, the oil spill, 0bamaCare, etc. It just keeps coming. Its not going to be pretty.

Mirimichi on May 31, 2010 at 7:30 PM

Who said the above? No “cheating” now.

Tav on May 31, 2010 at 7:23 PM

I was gonna say Reagan, but I’m wrong… hehehe

MeatHeadinCA on May 31, 2010 at 7:31 PM

Yet another unfortunate event in which no amount of evidence will get in a leftist’s way of condemning Israel for acting barbarically.

Grafted on May 31, 2010 at 7:34 PM

The world needs to go back to minding the falling Euro, North Korea attack on South Korea, Russian intransigence and thuggery, crazy ayatollahs of Iran getting their dirty hands on nukes and other weighty matter, and let Israel deal with these floating terrorist sponsored and equipped thuglings. What’s the matter with everybody, seriously ?

runner on May 31, 2010 at 7:35 PM

Has Bambi finished his waffles yet?

PackerBronco on May 31, 2010 at 7:43 PM

The argument from the left is that the raid was illegal because it happened in international waters, but evidently that’s not true either….

If some “international law” makes Israel’s self-protection illegal, one can reasonably expect the Israelis to let that international law fend for itself. We seem to be overburdened with laws, anyway; if the Israelis break a few, maybe they’ll live to keep the rest.

Kralizec on May 31, 2010 at 7:44 PM

The Euroweenies have their talking points down pat. Any action that Israel takes is always “disproportionate.” The cowardly leadership in those countries are already on their way toward dhimmitude. They fear speaking up on behalf of Israel because they fear the easily inflamed Muslims in their own nations and because they have trading ties to the nations that supply their fuel.

Iran is fighting a proxy war via Hamas, and our nation is also supplying way too much aid to Hamas that provides guns more than butter in “humanitarian aid to the perpetually aggrieved “Palestinians,” whom no one wants in their countries but who always serve as the excuse to tar the Israelis.

onlineanalyst on May 31, 2010 at 7:45 PM

Do you agree that the neoconservative attempts to spread democracy to the Middle East are misconceived?

aengus on May 31, 2010 at 5:54 PM

No you stupid twit! Just the opposite.
Democracy beats Islam hands down.
One of Judeo-Christian’s basic tenets is that man has free will and is free to choose his own path, a gift from the Creator. This fits with Democracy and has allowed the West to lead the world.

Bubba Redneck on May 31, 2010 at 7:48 PM

The truth about the Turkish terror convoy.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/6045519/the-truth-about-the-turkish-terror-convoy.thtml

a capella on May 31, 2010 at 7:51 PM

Democracy beats Islam hands down.

Bubba Redneck on May 31, 2010 at 7:48 PM

Like in Gaza?

Democracy isn’t free will… Freedom will lead to free will, but often Democracy leads to tyranny. History shows us this.

MeatHeadinCA on May 31, 2010 at 7:51 PM

Bubba Redneck on May 31, 2010 at 7:48 PM

Gotta agree with aengus on this one. Driving square pegs into round holes is not usually productive.

a capella on May 31, 2010 at 7:55 PM

Yakko77 on May 31, 2010 at 7:47 PM

As disturbing as it is, I at least got to give the guy credit for being honest about wanting to use “aid” convoys as a method to arm terror groups and enable them to kill more Jews.

Yakko77 on May 31, 2010 at 7:56 PM

boxy_brown, you are only only scum other than these malignant pustules, called Muslims. maybe you ought to shut the f*ck up until you actually know what you’re talking about but if you’re a liberal, it doesn’t matter because facts are simply a nuisance to you. Have a nice day, dirtbag.

LarryG on May 31, 2010 at 7:57 PM

Yakko77 on May 31, 2010 at 7:47 PM

MERMI is invaluable.

BadgerHawk on May 31, 2010 at 7:59 PM

Good thing Israel gave back all that land in Gaza to make peace, eh?

SouthernGent on May 31, 2010 at 8:10 PM

Interesting that Europeans think Israelis’ efforts to save their own lives are always disproportionate. Doesn’t that sort of imply that their underlying premise is that an Israeli life isn’t worth as much as anyone else’s?

ProfessorMiao on May 31, 2010 at 8:27 PM

MERMI is invaluable.

BadgerHawk on May 31, 2010 at 7:59 PM

So is MEMRI ;)

ProfessorMiao on May 31, 2010 at 8:28 PM

ProfessorMiao on May 31, 2010 at 8:28 PM

Heh. Yeah them too.

BadgerHawk on May 31, 2010 at 8:33 PM

Interesting that Europeans think Israelis’ efforts to save their own lives are always disproportionate. Doesn’t that sort of imply that their underlying premise is that an Israeli life isn’t worth as much as anyone else’s?

ProfessorMiao on May 31, 2010 at 8:27 PM

Well Israelis are jews and europeans believe that they are only worthwhile when suffering.

clnurnberg on May 31, 2010 at 8:45 PM

Well Israelis are jews and europeans believe that they are only worthwhile when suffering.

clnurnberg on May 31, 2010 at 8:45 PM

As stated earlier darn those jews / for feeling threatened when their tiny sliver of land inhabited by about 2 percent of the M.E. population is attacked daily and their neighbors often pray for their demise.

CWforFreedom on May 31, 2010 at 8:53 PM

Posted on the other thread- Egyptian expert calling for the shipping of arms on such boats.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_BTmbX6v0Q&playnext_from=TL&videos=IpxVzvG__WY&feature=sub

Yeh Israel is whack. /

CWforFreedom on May 31, 2010 at 9:03 PM

If said supplies were en route to an area highly populated with starving destitute civilians, yeah I’d probably have a problem with US commandos boarding and killing.

ernesto on May 31, 2010 at 6:02 PM

ernesto! May I call you f*cking retard? Yes?
Well you f*cking retard use that internet thingy you got there and google Gaza and look at the kids in the streets. They look like so many fat little La Raza kids worshipping corn cobs. Your the dumbest bucket of tacos I’ve ever encountered.

BL@KBIRD on May 31, 2010 at 9:03 PM

I can’t believe the Israelis risked their soldiers in what looks like a completely ill conceived and poorly planned operation. Paintball guns? If anyone on earth should know what kind of scum they are dealing with it’s the IDF.

Boxy_Brown on May 31, 2010 at 7:15 PM

I wonder if the “paintball guns” referenced are anything like the paintball guns *we* are familiar with – that would surprise me greatly. I’d expect/hope that what they were using were significantly more stringent a deterrent – maybe a non-lethal military grade weapon rather than a weekend warrior CO2-powered thing… Maybe?

Midas on May 31, 2010 at 9:07 PM

Pigs blood in the paint balls would be nice.

BL@KBIRD on May 31, 2010 at 9:09 PM

Those are the most violent ‘peace activists’ I’ve ever seen.

TonyR on May 31, 2010 at 9:10 PM

Those are the most violent ‘peace activists’ I’ve ever seen.

TonyR on May 31, 2010 at 9:10 PM

Maybe they should be referred to as “religion of peace activists”; you know, like the 9/11 “religion of peace activists”, etc.

Midas on May 31, 2010 at 9:14 PM

An al-Jazeera journalist delivering a report before Israel cut communications said Israel fired at the vessel before boarding it. In one web posting, a Turkish television reporter on the boat cried out, “These savages are killing people here, please help” — a broadcast that ended with a voice shouting in Hebrew, “Everybody shut up!”

–FYI, there are now allegations that Israel fired at the sixth ship before boarding it. And, from the news accounts, it appears that five of the six ships were boarded without any injuries or death.

Jimbo3 on May 31, 2010 at 9:15 PM

Okay. I wasn’t sure. I don’t associate the word Aleph with islam.

Blake on May 31, 2010 at 5:31 PM

It is also Hebrew.

ProfessorMiao on May 31, 2010 at 9:16 PM

Jimbo3 on May 31, 2010 at 9:15 PM

What’s your source, prisonplanet.com?

stefanite on May 31, 2010 at 9:40 PM

What’s your source, prisonplanet.com?

stefanite on May 31, 2010 at 9:40 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100531/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians

Jimbo3 on May 31, 2010 at 9:45 PM

–FYI, there are now allegations that Israel fired at the sixth ship before boarding it. And, from the news accounts, it appears that five of the six ships were boarded without any injuries or death.

Jimbo3 on May 31, 2010 at 9:15 PM

see, there is the problem right there, they should have fired on all the damn ships

runner on May 31, 2010 at 9:46 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100531/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians

Jimbo3 on May 31, 2010 at 9:45 PM

Wow, that first paragraph is something else, isn’t it? If it didn’t say it was from the AP, I’d think it came from al-Jazeera. Or Robert Gibbs, maybe. That’s some high class propaganda right there.

‘Passengers’. lol

Midas on May 31, 2010 at 9:53 PM

there are now allegations that Israel fired at the sixth ship before boarding it.

Jimbo3 on May 31, 2010 at 9:15 PM
Fired and missed? Or shots across the bow? Regardless, what’s your point?

And, from the news accounts, it appears that five of the six ships were boarded without any injuries or death.
So one out of six is acceptable to you?

blink on May 31, 2010 at 9:33 PM

–The point is that we need more information about what happened before the last ship was boarded. The existing videos only show what happened when the boarding began, not what happened before.

Jimbo3 on May 31, 2010 at 9:56 PM

Ernesto

Here are your starving paleostinians retard*.

*retard = as having a delayed ability to grasp pragmatic truths about situations. Like all leftards, you feel rather than know.

BL@KBIRD on May 31, 2010 at 9:57 PM

Israel followed International Law
Section V : Neutral merchant vessels and civil aircraft

Neutral merchant vessels

67. Merchant vessels flying the flag of neutral States may not be attacked unless they:

(a) are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture;

http://www.icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/html/57JMSU#4

Reality Check on May 31, 2010 at 9:58 PM

Jimbo3 on May 31, 2010 at 9:45 PM

Bet you kind of like prisonplanet.com though, don’t you?

stefanite on May 31, 2010 at 10:02 PM

Jimbo3 on May 31, 2010 at 9:45 PM
Bet you kind of like prisonplanet.com though, don’t you?

stefanite on May 31, 2010 at 10:02 PM

–What is it? Is it like the joke in the movie Airplane about gladiators.

Jimbo3 on May 31, 2010 at 10:05 PM

Just sink the damn things and let the bottom feeders enjoy the chum.

NoDonkey on May 31, 2010 at 10:22 PM

MeatHeadinCA on May 31, 2010 at 6:45 PM

Are you calling starving palestinians nazis?

ernesto on May 31, 2010 at 10:39 PM

ernesto on May 31, 2010 at 10:39 PM

At least the Nazis had the gumption to take on half of the world to prove their lunatic jew hatred, the “palestinians” (aka Jordanians) just sit on their lazy asses and beg for the moron western left to do their dirty work for them.

NoDonkey on May 31, 2010 at 10:47 PM

Do you agree that the neoconservative attempts to spread democracy to the Middle East are misconceived?

aengus on May 31, 2010 at 5:54 PM

No you stupid twit! Just the opposite.
Democracy beats Islam hands down.
One of Judeo-Christian’s basic tenets is that man has free will and is free to choose his own path, a gift from the Creator. This fits with Democracy and has allowed the West to lead the world.

Bubba Redneck on May 31, 2010 at 7:48 PM

How naive. With most Muslims, democracy is not even on the playing field. Muslims are directed by Allah and to go outside of Allah is a capital crime.

Tav on May 31, 2010 at 10:47 PM

Just what kind of idiot is Richard Fernandez?

“Like a circular-running torpedo it managed to miss its every intended target — missing North Korea and Iran — while hitting Israel.”

And when was AP dropped on his head?

Let me spell it out for AP: Israel was Obama’s intended target.

Sheesh!

Al in St. Lou on May 31, 2010 at 11:04 PM

It’s complete idiocy to expect the IDF to allow Hamas supporters to run a blockade, even.

They should have been blown out of the water after they refused to turn back, that only 9 of these absolute scum were killed is a gift to Hamas.

All of them should be chum right now.

Terrorist supporters are not human beings and should not be treated as such.

NoDonkey on May 31, 2010 at 11:06 PM

–The point is that we need more information about what happened before the last ship was boarded. The existing videos only show what happened when the boarding began, not what happened before.

Jimbo3 on May 31, 2010 at 9:56 PM

Why? How will that effect your opinion of the incident? Will prior events somehow make the Israeli self defense actions wrong?

blink on May 31, 2010 at 10:58 PM

Jimbo’s in favor (all day long) of whatever might possibly be used to cast the Israelis in a negative light.

Video evidence of what actually occurred is to be ignored if possible, then discounted when can’t be ignored – while hearsay and propaganda reporting that is anti-Israeli is to be counted as credible, you see.

Midas on May 31, 2010 at 11:06 PM

In DC there were protests by leftist activists in front of the Israeli embassy with pre-printed signs bemoaning this Israeli “atrocity”. Pre-printed signs!

There also seem to be a lot of trolls out today on the internet. They just don’t know what to do with themselves on Memorial Day, now do they?

Dhuka on May 31, 2010 at 11:14 PM

The point is that we need more information about what happened before the last ship was boarded. The existing videos only show what happened when the boarding began, not what happened before.

Jimbo3 on May 31, 2010 at 9:56 PM

Seems you’re hoping an Al-Jazeera “journalist” actually told the truth. Don’t hold your breath. That’s a bogus allegation. You don’t fire from the chopper and then send down troops with paint ball guns. Use a little common sense. Why do you think Al-Jazeera was on the boat? Why did the boat have a cache of knives and pipes if they were “peaceful activists? I really detest that word activist.

gitarfan on May 31, 2010 at 11:19 PM

Dhuka on May 31, 2010 at 11:14 PM

Many DC protesters are merely employees of lunatic left organizations like MoveOn.org and ACORN like community groups.

Your tax dollars at “work”.

NoDonkey on May 31, 2010 at 11:29 PM

Midas on May 31, 2010 at 11:06 PM

Yes not only that, but the Al Jazeera pro-Islamists who are reporting these things and who were on board from the start of the sail as propaganda tools are the ones stating the ship was ‘fired upon‘..

Because as soon as they see flares go up, or hear a flashbang they call that being fired upon – It’s all propaganda – They are always ‘innocent’ & being ‘fired upon’, even when it is paintguns shooting at them – Everyone is a ‘civilian’ even when armed with a TOW missile, and everything is a ‘massacre’ for them despite the fact that no one kills more Muslims by far than fellow Muslims.. It’s Islam, the religion of conquest that loves to play victim.

saus on May 31, 2010 at 11:36 PM

Isreal is not legitimate in the eyes of the haters.

Remember, Isreal’s existence within ANY boundry is not considered legitimate by Palestinian supporters standards.

In that light, why are we even arguing the issue here?

rickyricardo on May 31, 2010 at 11:36 PM

It is truly appalling how the left seeks to legitimize terrorist organizations who deliberately target civilians and who hide among civilians at the same time.

The left considers Hamas and Hezbollah perfectly legitimate organizations.

Just another example of how morally and intellectually bankrupt leftism really is.

NoDonkey on May 31, 2010 at 11:45 PM

I was gonna say Reagan, but I’m wrong… hehehe

MeatHeadinCA on May 31, 2010 at 7:31 PM

Yes, you are wrong. But, you are not really that far off at all, IMO.

Tav on May 31, 2010 at 11:50 PM

Do you agree that the neoconservative attempts to spread democracy to the Middle East are misconceived?

aengus on May 31, 2010 at 5:54 PM

“Neo” conservatives are liberal conservatives. In other words, they’re a contradiction in terms that has no business existing. Also, speaking for myself, I’m not a neoconservative, I’m an actual conservative.

As for this raid, I have a very strong feeling that Israel was set up. I mean, let’s look at this. From what I understand, Israel did board this ship with the intention of using non-lethal force as necessary, and what happens when they got on board? They’re ambushed by a bunch of guys with knives and bats. And of course the international community, when it sees that some of these a-holes got themselves killed in their own violent attack, will blame Israel instead of the people who actually started the violence.

That’s liberalism for you. Victims are perpetrators, good is bad, and 2+2=5. But as I mentioned, I think that an incident like this was planned in advance by people who knew how most of the world would respond no matter who was really at fault.

R. Waher on May 31, 2010 at 11:58 PM

Absolutely it was a setup.

It’s all about getting the world to force Israel to allow shipping into Gaza so Iran and Turkey can arm Hamas with missiles, so as to completely encircle Israel.

Only so many missiles etc., can be smuggled in through Egypt.

I’m sure our gutless, witless, worthless jackass of a president along with our doormat of a Secretary of State will see right through this.

NoDonkey on June 1, 2010 at 12:04 AM

I can’t wait to hear what’s on those ships. Nothing would surprise me.

Ward Cleaver on June 1, 2010 at 12:06 AM

Another great article from Melanie Phillips:

http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/6044639/peace-convoy-this-was-an-islamist-terror-ambush.thtml

As the international community rushes to condemn Israel for the violence on board one of the ships in the Gaza flotilla, which left a reported 10 people dead and dozens injured, it is now obvious that the real purpose of this ‘armada of hate’ was not merely the further delegitimisation of Israel but something far worse.

Sharke on June 1, 2010 at 12:32 AM

We must get away from occupation warfare and nation building and execute precision strike operations aimed at denying the terrorist enemy sanctuary.

Who said the above? No “cheating” now.

Tav on May 31, 2010 at 7:23 PM

I wonder…

For a laugh, I thought it might have been something Obama lied-about-to-sound-tough during the campaign.

But it’s a better brother than Barry.

profitsbeard on June 1, 2010 at 12:53 AM

ConservativePartyNow on June 1, 2010 at 1:22 AM

It is shocking the extent that Hamas an Al Queda will go to gain sympathy. I think Israel was totally in the right

ConservativePartyNow on June 1, 2010 at 1:24 AM

Iranians were resisting an authoritarian islamist terror state
“Peace activists” were ASSISTING an authoritarian islamist terror authority.

I see consistency in the response here

clnurnberg on May 31, 2010 at 3:34 PM

+100

No doubt it was an ambush, but the Israelis really should have waited til they were out of international waters.

abobo on May 31, 2010 at 3:52 PM

Why? They have a declared Maritime Exclusion Zone, which the USofA uses to protect our interests.

Pity the poor soldier, commanded by the ‘Political Correct’.

Slowburn on June 1, 2010 at 1:46 AM

but the Israelis really should have waited til they were out of international waters.

abobo on May 31, 2010 at 3:52 PM

What ever for?

Shy Guy on June 1, 2010 at 2:03 AM

So I guess if a boatload of hamas “peace activists” are headed to the US, the Paulbots and everyone else on the left think we should just hang out until they hit the beach. Well that’s just brilliant.

Ronnie on June 1, 2010 at 3:13 AM

No you stupid twit! Just the opposite.

This is the level of discourse here?

Democracy beats Islam hands down.

Would that it did. Democracy gave us Erdogan and the AKP, and their flotilla of death.

One of Judeo-Christian’s basic tenets is that man has free will and is free to choose his own path, a gift from the Creator. This fits with Democracy and has allowed the West to lead the world.

Right and Islam is a different mental universe to Judeo-Christian thought. Perhaps that is why democracy in the MME has been such a roaring success?

aengus on June 1, 2010 at 5:39 AM

Both Jimbo3 and Ernesto amuse me. ala Obama’s remark concerning “teabaggers”. I have to admit, I give Ernesto more leeway than Jimbo3 (although both exhibit profound naivete, so there is somewhat hope, just in that fact).
We’ve lost a few: crr6,bleedsblue,Teflon Drywall, and somehow, my favorite (really and truly) highhopes……………what happened???? Then there is AnninCa (now in Texas), only will submit when it is a Clinton based post (or abortion) (who loves him and wishes to bed him, along with half the female population in American as per her estimation).
Or, if healthcare pops up, she’s here. Around the holidays, she’ll produce mashed potato recipes, so there is some value.

betsyz on June 1st, 2010 at 5:28 am

betsyz on June 1, 2010 at 5:40 AM

Where in the world is “highhopes”?…what have you done to her/him? PEOPLE WHO’VE BEEN BANNED BY HOT-AIR. When you outlaw certain individuals, you need to offer somewhat of explanation, ESPECIALLY, the people who are the most controversial…..This could be a blog in itself: People who’ve been ban-hammered, or else, lost interest in this site and went to other territories.

betsyz on June 1, 2010 at 6:02 AM

The only scandal in this story is that the Israeli command sent their people on to that floating piss farm without M-16s and air cover. They should be court marshaled.

The press reaction is both predictable and outrageous.

Jaibones on June 1, 2010 at 7:10 AM

Paintball guns? This reeks of sending Marines into Beruit without ammo for their weapons for fear they might protect themselves. Assinine. Love Israel, but man, they shoulda just sank that giant bed pan and did the world a favor.

Alden Pyle on June 1, 2010 at 7:26 AM

islamic countries and south american dictators regularly commit atrocities and the US never goes running to the un security council yet we spend billions of American tax payer dollars every year supporting these third world dirtbad bureauocrats so they can regularly attack us and our allies. We are told that scum like kofi anon are great men yet all they’ve ever done is live the high life in new york and never do anything to help thier own countries. Has the scum kofi gone home to help his country? I bet he lives in a very expensive condo in new york still raping the American tax payer. I wonder how our slow national suicide will end.

peacenprosperity on June 1, 2010 at 8:04 AM

What Aleph was saying in Arabic was that Islam is false because it denies that Jesus is the true God and Islam has no one that paid the price of humanity’s sin such that Jesus did for us. Aleph is upset that his beloved hatefilled relgion fails to bring any peace to him.

garydt on June 1, 2010 at 8:56 AM

–The point is that we need more information about what happened before the last ship was boarded. The existing videos only show what happened when the boarding began, not what happened before.

Jimbo3 on May 31, 2010 at 9:56 PM
Why? How will that effect your opinion of the incident? Will prior events somehow make the Israeli self defense actions wrong?

blink on May 31, 2010 at 10:58 PM

–It could, depending on what Israel did.

Jimbo3 on June 1, 2010 at 9:05 AM

–It could, depending on what Israel did.

Jimbo3 on June 1, 2010 at 9:05 AM

They shot a 4 inch purple paint ball at the ship, completely ruining the hull’s color scheme.

Oh the humanity!

Shy Guy on June 1, 2010 at 9:10 AM

Seems you’re hoping an Al-Jazeera “journalist” actually told the truth. Don’t hold your breath. That’s a bogus allegation. You don’t fire from the chopper and then send down troops with paint ball guns. Use a little common sense. Why do you think Al-Jazeera was on the boat? Why did the boat have a cache of knives and pipes if they were “peaceful activists? I really detest that word activist.

gitarfan on May 31, 2010 at 11:19 PM

–They also had pistols with live ammo.

Why didn’t they have more effective non-lethal weapons, like stun grenades and tasers?

Why weren’t there any incidents on the first five boats boarded?

Why won’t Israel allow communication with people on the boats at this point in time?

Why aren’t there any videos of the activists shooting at the Israelis–or reports of Israeli soldiers with gun shot wounds? (Israel said that two guns were taken and must have been used because there were no bullets left when the guns were found, but the ammo could have been stored separately by the Israelis).

What did they find when they looked at the cargo?

Were some of the pipes part of the cargo?

Sorry, but at this point, I still have alot of questions.

Jimbo3 on June 1, 2010 at 9:14 AM

Jimbo’s a “see no evil” kinda troll guy.

Shy Guy on June 1, 2010 at 9:16 AM

Jimbo’s a “see no evil” kinda troll guy.

Shy Guy on June 1, 2010 at 9:16 AM

–If Israel shot at the ship first (depending on the specifics), the “self defense” thing doesn’t well work for me.

Jimbo3 on June 1, 2010 at 9:19 AM

If Israel shot at the ship first (depending on the specifics), the “self defense” thing doesn’t well work for me.

Jimbo3 on June 1, 2010 at 9:19 AM

IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF……….. (ad infinitum)

What if someone on the Turkish ship shot first?

What if a shot was fired over the Turkish ship’s bow, whether before or after being warned that they are approaching a restricted conflict zone as an emeny force?

What if the filth on the TerrorTurk ships are lying fiends?

What if you can’t bring yourself to state all the other possible “ifs” in the world?

Phony!

Shy Guy on June 1, 2010 at 9:24 AM

Israel shot at the ship first (depending on the specifics), the “self defense” thing doesn’t well work for me.

Jimbo3 on June 1, 2010 at 9:19 AM
IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF……….. (ad infinitum)

What if someone on the Turkish ship shot first?

What if a shot was fired over the Turkish ship’s bow, whether before or after being warned that they are approaching a restricted conflict zone as an emeny force?

What if the filth on the TerrorTurk ships are lying fiends?

What if you can’t bring yourself to state all the other possible “ifs” in the world?

Phony!

Shy Guy on June 1, 2010 at 9:24 AM

–Since Israel has an embargo on any comments by people on the boats, it’s tough to know everything that may have happened at this point.

Jimbo3 on June 1, 2010 at 9:32 AM

–If Israel shot at the ship first (depending on the specifics), the “self defense” thing doesn’t well work for me.

See, there is the problem right there, should have destroyed the ships while they were stationed in Turkey – could have saved themselves a wee bit of trouble. but that’s ok, next time Saudis or some other terror sponsor tries to send an “armada” under a peace banner in the direction of Israel, they will think twice.

runner on June 1, 2010 at 9:34 AM

–Since Israel has an embargo on any comments by people on the boats, it’s tough to know everything that may have happened at this point.

they had no business floating toward Israel. got what was coming. if they wanted to send supplies, tons of humanitarian organization including the UN are in Gaza , feeding those good for nothings. should have worked through legitimate channels.

runner on June 1, 2010 at 9:37 AM

–Since Israel has an embargo on any comments by people on the boats, it’s tough to know everything that may have happened at this point.

Jimbo3 on June 1, 2010 at 9:32 AM

And why would you believe them anyway?

In any case, for the rest of you, Israel could (and should) have just punctured the ships to form a new coral reef:

RESTATE: Was Israel’s Boarding Of the Gaza Flotilla a Violation of International Law?

Shy Guy on June 1, 2010 at 9:38 AM

That’s REDSTATE.

Shy Guy on June 1, 2010 at 9:38 AM

See, there is the problem right there, should have destroyed the ships while they were stationed in Turkey – could have saved themselves a wee bit of trouble. but that’s ok, next time Saudis or some other terror sponsor tries to send an “armada” under a peace banner in the direction of Israel, they will think twice.

runner on June 1, 2010 at 9:34 AM

–That would have been a clear violation of international law.

Jimbo3 on June 1, 2010 at 9:47 AM

–That would have been a clear violation of international law.

Jimbo3 on June 1, 2010 at 9:47 AM

Clear violation of international law is terror sponsorship, and armed terrorists using civilians as human shields

runner on June 1, 2010 at 9:56 AM


That would have been a clear violation of international law.

Jimbo3 on June 1, 2010 at 9:47 AM
Clear violation of international law is terror sponsorship, and armed terrorists using civilians as human shields

runner on June 1, 2010 at 9:56 AM

–I haven’t seen anything to suggest that civilians were being used as shields on this boat.

Jimbo3 on June 1, 2010 at 9:59 AM

I’ve already linked to why there wouldn’t have been any violation of any law had Israel simply blown the ships out of the water.

Shy Guy on June 1, 2010 at 10:04 AM

–I haven’t seen anything to suggest that civilians were being used as shields on this boat.

Jimbo3 on June 1, 2010 at 9:59 AM

of course you didn’t – I would be shocked if you did

runner on June 1, 2010 at 10:06 AM

I’ve already linked to why there wouldn’t have been any violation of any law had Israel simply blown the ships out of the water.

Shy Guy on June 1, 2010 at 10:04 AM

No you didn’t. Five of the six ships allowed the Israelis to board, so what you posted wouldn’t have allowed attacks on those ships. And with respect to the sixth ship, an attack would have been permitted, but it would have been subject to the following (meaning that they couldn’t have blown it out of the water):

41. Attacks shall be limited strictly to military objectives. Merchant vessels and civil aircraft are civilian objects unless they are military objectives in accordance with the principles and rules set forth in this document.

42. In addition to any specific prohibitions binding upon the parties to a conflict, it is forbidden to employ methods or means of warfare which:

(a) are of a nature to cause superfluous injury or unnecessary suffering; or
(b) are indiscriminate, in that:
(i) they are not, or cannot be, directed against a specific military objective; or
(ii) their effects cannot be limited as required by international law as reflected in this document.

43. It is prohibited to order that there shall be no survivors, to threaten an adversary therewith or to conduct hostilities on this basis.

46. With respect to attacks, the following precautions shall be taken:

(a) those who plan, decide upon or execute an attack must take all feasible measures to gather information which will assist in determining whether or not objects which are not military objectives are present in an area of attack;
(b) in the light of the information available to them, those who plan, decide upon or execute an attack shall do everything feasible to ensure that attacks are limited to military objectives;
(c) they shall furthermore take all feasible precautions in the choice of methods and means in order to avoid or minimize collateral casualties or damage; and
(d) an attack shall not be launched if it may be expected to cause collateral casualties or damage which world be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated from the attack as a whole; an attack shall be cancelled or suspended as soon as it becomes apparent that the collateral casualties or damage would be excessive

Jimbo3 on June 1, 2010 at 10:10 AM

–I haven’t seen anything to suggest that civilians were being used as shields on this boat.

Jimbo3 on June 1, 2010 at 9:59 AM
of course you didn’t – I would be shocked if you did

runner on June 1, 2010 at 10:06 AM

–Have you seen anything showing this, or any reports that this happened in this case?

Jimbo3 on June 1, 2010 at 10:11 AM

Back to Section V you go!

Shy Guy on June 1, 2010 at 10:13 AM

–Have you seen anything showing this, or any reports that this happened in this case?

Jimbo3 on June 1, 2010 at 10:11 AM

are you done with the multiplication table yet ? fractions ? how is Social Studies going ?

runner on June 1, 2010 at 10:15 AM

They should just blow the ship out of the water.

roux on June 1, 2010 at 10:15 AM

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