Bloody clash off Gaza coast leaves 10 dead

posted at 10:43 am on May 31, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

The preferred media headline so far this morning has been “Israelis kill 10 peace activists in Gaza flotilla,” but that’s not quite what happened.  The IDF attempted to head off a number of boats attempting to run the blockade on Gaza, a blockade necessitated by Hamas’ repeated attacks on Israel.  They boarded the lead ship by helicopter, expecting to either convince the occupants to turn back or to commandeer the boat themselves.  What they didn’t expect was to find armed “peace activists,” and a bloody melee ensued:

The left-wing activists on board a flotilla carrying aid to the Gaza Strip tried to lynch the Israel Navy commandos who stormed their Turkish-flagged ship early Monday, Israel Defense Forces sources told Haaretz.

The commandos, who intercepted the Turkish ferry Mavi Marmara after it ignored orders to turn back, said they encountered violent resistance from activists armed with sticks and knives. According to the soldiers, the activists threw one of their comrades from the upper deck to the lower after they boarded.

Activists attacked a commando with iron bars as he descended onto the ship from a helicopter, the army said. The IDF said its rules of engagement allowed troops to open fire in what it called a “life-threatening situation”.

The soldiers said they were forced to open fire after the activists struck one of their comrades in the head and trampled on him. A senior field commander ordered the soldiers then to respond with fire, a decision which the commandos said received full backing the military echelon.

At least 10 people were killed and several more wounded after the Israel Navy troops opened fire on the six-ship flotilla. Unofficial reports put the death toll at between 14 and 20.

Ynet has a more detailed timeline of the confrontation:

A few minutes before the takeover attempt aboard the Marmara got underway, the operation commander was told that 20 people were waiting on the deck where a helicopter was to deploy the first team of the elite Flotilla 13 unit. The original plan was to disembark on the top deck, and from there rush to the vessel’s bridge and order the Marmara’s captain to stop.

Officials estimated that passengers will show slight resistance, and possibly minor violence; for that reason, the operation’s commander decided to bring the helicopter directly above the top deck. The first rope that soldiers used in order to descend down to the ship was wrested away by activists, most of them Turks, and tied to an antenna with the hopes of bringing the chopper down. However, Flotilla 13 fighters decided to carry on.

Navy commandoes slid down to the vessel one by one, yet then the unexpected occurred: The passengers that awaited them on the deck pulled out bats, clubs, and slingshots with glass marbles, assaulting each soldier as he disembarked. The fighters were nabbed one by one and were beaten up badly, yet they attempted to fight back.

However, to their misfortune, they were only equipped with paintball rifles used to disperse minor protests, such as the ones held in Bilin. The paintballs obviously made no impression on the activists, who kept on beating the troops up and even attempted to wrest away their weapons.

One soldier who came to the aid of a comrade was captured by the rioters and sustained severe blows. The commandoes were equipped with handguns but were told they should only use them in the face of life-threatening situations. When they came down from the chopper, they kept on shouting to each other “don’t shoot, don’t shoot,” even though they sustained numerous blows.

The Navy commandoes were prepared to mostly encounter political activists seeking to hold a protest, rather than trained street fighters. The soldiers were told they were to verbally convince activists who offer resistance to give up, and only then use paintballs. They were permitted to use their handguns only under extreme circumstances.

The planned rush towards the vessel’s bridge became impossible, even when a second chopper was brought in with another crew of soldiers. “Throw stun grenades,” shouted Flotilla 13’s commander who monitored the operation. The Navy chief was not too far, on board a speedboat belonging to Flotilla 13, along with forces who attempted to climb into the back of the ship.

The forces hurled stun grenades, yet the rioters on the top deck, whose number swelled up to 30 by that time, kept on beating up about 30 commandoes who kept gliding their way one by one from the helicopter. At one point, the attackers nabbed one commando, wrested away his handgun, and threw him down from the top deck to the lower deck, 30 feet below. The soldier sustained a serious head wound and lost his consciousness.

Only after this injury did Flotilla 13 troops ask for permission to use live fire. The commander approved it: You can go ahead and fire. The soldiers pulled out their handguns and started shooting at the rioters’ legs, a move that ultimately neutralized them. Meanwhile, the rioters started to fire back at the commandoes.

Ynet notes that the IDF should learn two lessons from this. First, paintball rifles won’t work against so-called peace activists when they’re armed and inclined to fight. That’s probably even more true in an in-close confrontation, such as on a boat. Paintballs sting, as anyone who has played war games with them attest, but once antagonists understand that’s all they do, they won’t provide any deterrent value at all.

The second lesson Ynet takes is that the soldiers should have considered the fact that their arrival was hardly a surprise and planned accordingly, but really, the IDF and the Israelis were foolish to assume that these activists had non-violent intentions in the first place. The demonstration was in support of Hamas, hardly a group dedicated to non-violence and peaceful coexistence. That assumption put their soldiers’ lives at risk unnecessarily and allowed planners to eschew a more muscular entry to the boat — which could have saved lives on both sides of the equation with an initial use of overwhelming force.

The world will blame Israel for this, but the blockade exists to keep weapons out of the hands of Hamas, which continually attacks Israel despite the latter’s withdrawal from Gaza years ago. It’s a legitimate and necessary military response to Hamas’ terrorism, and the flotilla knowingly sailed itself into a military conflict — and carried arms into it as well. That makes them legitimate antagonists in the conflict and fair game for Israeli’s military.

Update: Say, it’s probably a good thing the IDF had its video cameras rolling:

Update II: Via Cubachi, the group behind the flotilla has a history of supporting violent jihad and anti-Westernism:

Prominent among the coalition organizations participating in the aid flotilla scheduled to arrive in the Gaza Strip in the coming days is the Turkish IHH (Insani Yardim Vakfi, IHH, “humanitarian relief fund”). It is a radical Islamic organization which was established in 1992 and formally registered in Istanbul in 1995. It is headed by Bülent Yildirim.  …

In practice, besides its legitimate humanitarian activities, IHH supports radical Islamic terrorist networks. Inrecent years it has prominently supported Hamas (through the Union of Good). In addition, the ITIC has reliable information that in the past IHH provided logistical support and funding to global jihad networks.

IHH’s orientation is radical-Islamic and anti-American, and it is close to the Muslim Brotherhood(Hamas’ parent movement). IHH supports Hamas and does not hide the connection between them. Hamas also considers its links to IHH and Turkey to be extremely important, and regards Turkey as a target audience for its propaganda network (Palestine-Information, Hamas’ main website, has a Turkish version, and as of the end of 2009, the website of its military wing, the Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades, has also appeared in Turkish).

In recent years, especially since Hamas took over the Gaza Strip, IHH has supported Hamas’ propaganda campaigns by organizing public support conferences in Turkey. At those conferences, which featured the participation of senior IHH figures, the heads of IHH expressed their support for Hamas and its strategy (including the armed struggle it favors), in defiance of the Palestinian Authority, Hamas’ rival.

IHH is a member of the Union of Good, an umbrella organization of more than 50 Islamic funds and foundations around the globe, which channels money into Hamas institutions in the Palestinian Authority-administered territories. As a Union of Good member IHH has connections with other worldwide Islamic funds and foundations which support Hamas. Among other things, the support includes initiating and conducting joint projects whose objectives are to bolster the de facto Hamas administration in the Gaza Strip and Hamas’ civilian infrastructure in Judea and Samaria, which also supports terrorism (the infrastructure is under pressure from the Palestinian Authority security services). IHH, which has become an important factor in global fund-raising for Hamas, transfers significant amounts of money to Hamas institutions in Judea and Samaria, including the Islamic Charitable Society in Hebron and the Al-Tadhamun Charitable Society in Nablus (Hamas’ two central “charitable societies,” both outlawed by Israel).

IHH operates widely throughout the Gaza Strip. To promote its activities it opened a branch there, headed by Muhammad Kaya, who recently stated that IHH intended to send other aid flotillas to the Gaza Strip (See below). In January 2008 an IHH delegation met with Ahmed Bahar, a senior Hamas activist who is acting chairman of Hamas’ council in the Gaza Strip. At the meeting the delegation revealed the extent of the aid it had given Hamas in the Gaza Strip during the preceding year and said it intended to double the sum in the future. In January 2009 IHH head Bülent Yildirim met with Khaled Mashaal, chairman of Hamas’ political bureau in Damascus, and Mashaal thanked him for the support of his organization.

Israel expelled IHH from Gaza in 2008, along with 35 other organizations associated with the Union of Good.

Update III: And here we have a “peace activist” repeatedly stabbing an IDF soldier, via Orit Sklar on Twitter:

Yup, a really good thing the IDF brought along its video cameras …

Update V: A few commenters point out that this took place in international waters, not in Gaza’s waters, and therefore consider Israel’s actions illegitimate.  However, the flotilla had already announced their intention to run the blockade, making them belligerent and giving the Israelis a reason to interdict them.  And are we to believe that the “peace activists” would have surrendered peacefully had this action taken them within the 12-mile limit?  I see no reason to believe that; indeed, it looks as though they were prepared for armed confrontation.

Update VI: Noel Sheppard at Newsbusters takes a look at the news coverage of the incident.


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artist on May 31, 2010 at 10:48 AM

I look forward to teh inspection of the “cargo” of “humanitarian aid.”

Wethal on May 31, 2010 at 10:50 AM

Obama better keep his fat mouth shut on this one. If he condemns Israel’s “use of force,” he’s about to watch those poll numbers drop even further.

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IrishEi on May 31, 2010 at 10:53 AM

You board a ship, and you don’t expect violence?

I can’t see much to defend on this mission.

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faraway on May 31, 2010 at 10:45 AM

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ive only had to see something like that once

i hope it doesnt become a regulah thing

blatantblue on May 31, 2010 at 10:58 AM

im getting real tired of these “peace” activists and their whining.
they create the problem then cry when they get treated accordingly.

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blatantblue on May 31, 2010 at 10:59 AM

You board a ship, and you don’t expect violence?

I can’t see much to defend on this mission.

faraway on May 31, 2010 at 10:53 AM

Try to bum rush a blockade and don’t expect violence? I do not see much to defend in regards to the “peace” protesters.

CWforFreedom on May 31, 2010 at 10:59 AM

i hope it doesnt become a regulah thing

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Benaiah on May 31, 2010 at 11:00 AM

I can’t see much to defend on this mission.

faraway on May 31, 2010 at 10:53 AM

That’s because like nearly all liberals, you are an imbecile.

doriangrey on May 31, 2010 at 11:01 AM

Board it, escort everyone off, then sink the m***********r. Now THAT would send a message.

Mojave Mark on May 31, 2010 at 11:02 AM

You board a ship, and you don’t expect violence?

I can’t see much to defend on this mission.

faraway on May 31, 2010 at 10:53 AM

Expecting “violence” and armed resistance are two different things. I assume this is not the first ship they’ve boarded.

I bet the rules of engagement are different next time, though.

And there will be some used military surplus paintball equipment for sale soon.

TexasDan on May 31, 2010 at 11:02 AM

You board a ship, and you don’t expect violence?
 
I can’t see much to defend on this mission.
 
faraway on May 31, 2010 at 10:53 AM

 
Agreed, but the soldiers still handled it well and managed to get the job done.

rogerb on May 31, 2010 at 11:02 AM

‘Peace activists’ are usually the most violent types. Just sayin’

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Benaiah on May 31, 2010 at 11:03 AM

Try to bum rush a blockade and don’t expect violence? I do not see much to defend in regards to the “peace” protesters.

CWforFreedom on May 31, 2010 at 10:59 AM

They should have come in more heavily armed and shot these “peace activists” before the IDF guys were beaten. The “peace activists” who survived should be imprisoned.

But then the world assumes that jews were put on earth to absorb violence and cry to God. Most of those comlaining about jewish self-defense are extremely tolerant of Hezbo attacks on jews.

clnurnberg on May 31, 2010 at 11:03 AM

Also, I can’t imagine being told to shoot at someone’s legs, during CQB. Or anytime, for that matter.

TexasDan on May 31, 2010 at 11:03 AM

The IDF needs better planners.

Get back the Idi Amin-hoaxing guys who successfully stormed the Entebbe airport in Angola and rescued the Israeli hostages.

profitsbeard on May 31, 2010 at 11:04 AM

That’s because like nearly all liberals, you are an imbecile.

doriangrey on May 31, 2010 at 11:01 AM

He missed the class on blockades.

CWforFreedom on May 31, 2010 at 11:04 AM

This is going to be like Honduras, or Arizona. All the facts on one side of the argument, but the left will trudge forward with the narrative anyway.

BadgerHawk on May 31, 2010 at 11:04 AM

On Fox this morning, they were spouting the testimony of a reporter, who said the Israeli’s started this, and were flat out brutal.

I’m sure their story will change with incoming updates, but watch the rest of the msm’s tow the line for this reporter, and only report his *cough* unbiased *cough* account of things.

capejasmine on May 31, 2010 at 11:04 AM

Paging Barack Obama.
Telephone call for Mr. Barack H. Obama.
Paging Mr. Obama.
Telephone call for Mr. Obama.

Mr. Barack Obama, please pick up the white courtesy telephone.

Skandia Recluse on May 31, 2010 at 11:05 AM

Jihad ship?

Ashkenazi: Only 1of 6 ships in flotilla carried extremists

Ashkenazi noted that the Mavi Marmara, the only ship on which violence took place, was different than the other five ships of the flotilla. He said that five ships carried humanitarians and peace activists but the Mavi Marmara was sponsored by the extremist organization the IHH and those aboard acted in “extreme violence.”

All 6 ships carried extremists – they support Hamas.

mudskipper on May 31, 2010 at 11:05 AM

Also, I can’t imagine being told to shoot at someone’s legs, during CQB. Or anytime, for that matter.

TexasDan on May 31, 2010 at 11:03 AM

especially CQB, i would suppose, where “time is money,” if you will.

blatantblue on May 31, 2010 at 11:06 AM

You board a ship, and you don’t expect violence?

I can’t see much to defend on this mission.

faraway on May 31, 2010 at 10:53 AM

I find it hard to sympathize with either side, but the Israeli expectation of ‘minor’ resistance in this instance was utterly absurd.

Peace activists or no, scary-looking soldiers trying to board a ship is going to instinctivly evoke the ‘fight or flight’ reaction in anybody. And ‘flight’ on a ship at sea isn’t really an option except if the thing is about to sink.

Dark-Star on May 31, 2010 at 11:06 AM

Also, I can’t imagine being told to shoot at someone’s legs, during CQB. Or anytime, for that matter.

TexasDan on May 31, 2010 at 11:03 AM

Crazy world we live in. Our troops from the USA are often kept from doing was is needed and told to await orders to fire. We are just too humane to the inhumane.

CWforFreedom on May 31, 2010 at 11:06 AM

doriangrey on May 31, 2010 at 11:01 AM

CWforFreedom on May 31, 2010 at 11:04 AM

I think he’s saying that the Israelis who planned the mission did a poor job in not anticipating violence, not that the mission wasn’t warranted.

BadgerHawk on May 31, 2010 at 11:07 AM

Too bad Cynthia McKinney wasn’t on board.

JoeySlippers on May 31, 2010 at 11:07 AM

Also, I can’t imagine being told to shoot at someone’s legs, during CQB. Or anytime, for that matter.

TexasDan on May 31, 2010 at 11:03 AM

This is what you get when you’re more worried about PR than accomplishing a mission. Not that it does any good. That’s why I gave up long ago on trying to please certain types, such as leftists and ex wives. No matter what you do, you’re going to be in the wrong, no matter how much you try to please. If you’re going to be attacked, might as well be for good reason.

bikermailman on May 31, 2010 at 11:08 AM

Peace activists or no, scary-looking soldiers trying to board a ship is going to instinctivly evoke the ‘fight or flight’ reaction in anybody. And ‘flight’ on a ship at sea isn’t really an option except if the thing is about to sink.

Dark-Star on May 31, 2010 at 11:06 AM

Check the video again. They had planned to attack the Israelis.

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faraway on May 31, 2010 at 11:09 AM

Peace activists or no, scary-looking soldiers trying to board a ship is going to instinctivly evoke the ‘fight or flight’ reaction in anybody. And ‘flight’ on a ship at sea isn’t really an option except if the thing is about to sink.

Dark-Star on May 31, 2010 at 11:06 AM

That is why all over Israel and MANY Other countries you see armed UNIFORMED soldiers that are most often not being attacked. The uniforms and guns normally show authority and the threat of force. It normally works well. You’re just a know nothing. Governments all over the world board ships without incident every single day. Your ignorance is truly something to behold.

CWforFreedom on May 31, 2010 at 11:09 AM

You board a ship run a legal blockade while ignoring commands to turn back, and you don’t expect violence?

I can’t see much to defend on this mission.

faraway on May 31, 2010 at 10:53 AM

Fixed it for you.

Rogue Traveler on May 31, 2010 at 11:10 AM

It’s been said: that you don’t take a knife to a gun fight. I’ll add that you don’t take a paint ball gun to a knife fight.

Woody

woodcdi on May 31, 2010 at 11:10 AM

That is why all over Israel and MANY Other countries you see armed UNIFORMED soldiers that are most often not being attacked. almost never attacked.

FIFM

CWforFreedom on May 31, 2010 at 11:10 AM

Predicted (watch for it) Pro forma response from US media, spokesmen for the White House :

“The White House statement condemns the brutal attacks on unarmed civilians aboard international aid vessels conducting humanitarian aid resupply missions to Gaza today. This unprovoked attack, unprecedented in its level of violence must be condemned by the international community.” in a statement released on the white house web page as most US federal government offices were shut down in observation of the Memorial day holiday. The President was unavailable for questions.

Skandia Recluse on May 31, 2010 at 11:11 AM

This could only come about because of the inept weakness in Washington DC. Obama is impotent, a Muslim sympathizer and the Muslim world and the secular world that is aligned against the nation of Israel all know it. They are going to try and isolate Israel and come against her en mass. Their carcasses all will rot and bones picked clean by the vultures of the east. These same forces, with the aid of Washington forced Israel to give up Gaza and the so called west bank for the sake of peace. What have these nations who promised peace given…their souls to the forces of hell. What has Israel gained by listening to these demon possessed people?—suicide bombers, rockets and plots to push them into the sea. The day of reckoning is soon approaching and the world will mourn His coming. But many will rejoice.

wepeople on May 31, 2010 at 11:12 AM

Don’t you have a right to defend yourself when heavily armed commandos storm your ship in international waters for no good reason?

lodge on May 31, 2010 at 11:12 AM

Governments all over the world board ships without incident every single day.
CWforFreedom on May 31, 2010 at 11:09 AM

Do they repel from helicopters? I thought they usually bull-horned, then pulled up beside them.

faraway on May 31, 2010 at 11:13 AM

Don’t you have a right to defend yourself when heavily armed commandos storm your ship in international waters for no good reason?

lodge on May 31, 2010 at 11:12 AM

No good reason. Comprehension is not your strong suit. WYGTFO?

CWforFreedom on May 31, 2010 at 11:13 AM

Do they repel from helicopters? I thought they usually bull-horned, then pulled up beside them.

faraway on May 31, 2010 at 11:13 AM

Doesn’t change anything.

CWforFreedom on May 31, 2010 at 11:14 AM

The “news” is trying to portray this as the reason the Prime Minister cancelled his meeting with Obama. Wrong. He cancelled it because the U.S. voted in favor of the U.N. resolution to make the middle east a “nuclear free” zone. Israel is the ONLY nuclear power. They were completely surprised by this position, directly opposing them, in this resolution.

I fully expect that the next news cycle will have it being portrayed as Obama cancelled the meeting because of this little dust-up.

This is the start of the biggest war yet in the middle east (NOT the ship boarding).

CC

CapedConservative on May 31, 2010 at 11:14 AM

lodge on May 31, 2010 at 11:12 AM

Seriously learn to read. This is truly sad.

CWforFreedom on May 31, 2010 at 11:15 AM

This could only come about because of the inept weakness in Washington DC. Obama is impotent, a Muslim sympathizer and the Muslim world and the secular world that is aligned against the nation of Israel all know it. They are going to try and isolate Israel and come against her en mass. Their carcasses all will rot and bones picked clean by the vultures of the east. These same forces, with the aid of Washington forced Israel to give up Gaza and the so called west bank for the sake of peace. What have these nations who promised peace given…their souls to the forces of hell. What has Israel gained by listening to these demon possessed people?—suicide bombers, rockets and plots to push them into the sea. The day of reckoning is soon approaching and the world will mourn His coming. But many will rejoice.

wepeople on May 31, 2010 at 11:12 AM

Looks like that.

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neobadger on May 31, 2010 at 11:15 AM

Try to bum rush a blockade and don’t expect violence? I do not see much to defend in regards to the “peace” protesters.

CWforFreedom on May 31, 2010 at 10:59 AM

+100

This will be a fantastic rorschach test for The Regime (and others). I have already seen them condemn SB 1070 here in Arizona without having read it. I expect them to condemn Israel without reviewing the video or even their side of the story.

Kataklysmic on May 31, 2010 at 11:16 AM

Peace activists or no, scary-looking soldiers trying to board a ship is going to instinctivly evoke the ‘fight or flight’ reaction in anybody. And ‘flight’ on a ship at sea isn’t really an option except if the thing is about to sink.

Dark-Star on May 31, 2010 at 11:06 AM

There is no way these “peace activists” could possible claim to be surprised. Israel routinely blockades and boards ships entering Gaza. The only instinct in action here was “Kill the Jews!”

Rocks on May 31, 2010 at 11:16 AM

What? Violence in the middle east?
No way.

Next thing you know arabs and jews will have land disputes.

Oh you say this has been going on for 5000 years?

I see.

I guess then an actual real NEWS story would be if they made peace.

TheSitRep on May 31, 2010 at 11:16 AM

Peace activists or no, scary-looking soldiers trying to board a ship is going to instinctivly evoke the ‘fight or flight’ reaction in anybody. And ‘flight’ on a ship at sea isn’t really an option except if the thing is about to sink.

Dark-Star on May 31, 2010 at 11:06 AM

Were they in international waters? I don’t believe so.

Rocks on May 31, 2010 at 11:17 AM

Don’t you have a right to defend yourself when heavily armed commandos storm your ship in international waters for no good reason?

lodge on May 31, 2010 at 11:12 AM

You’re either a dishonest hack or a moron, and listening to you repeat falsities is getting tiresome.

The Israelis were attempting to enforce a legal blockade. A blockade that even Egypt participates in. The ships were given repeated opportunities to have their cargo inspected and delivered to Gaza, but choose to instead create a media bonanza that would get useful idiots like yourself to whine about how awful Israel is.

Looks like it’s working.

BadgerHawk on May 31, 2010 at 11:20 AM

Were they in international waters? I don’t believe so.

Rocks on May 31, 2010 at 11:17 AM

Arguing with sociopaths never works

clnurnberg on May 31, 2010 at 11:20 AM

Did Hillary have advance knowledge of this botched mission?

faraway on May 31, 2010 at 11:20 AM

10 of these “peace activist” down, 690 to go…

Fuzzlenutter on May 31, 2010 at 11:20 AM

Seriously learn to read. This is truly sad.

CWforFreedom on May 31, 2010 at 11:15 AM

Seriously, try to learn to not reflexivly defend Israel at all times. YOU are truly sad!

BTW, any word on the cargo carried yet? I’m hearing big numbers of humanitarian supplies but can’t seem to get any sources.

Dark-Star on May 31, 2010 at 11:20 AM

They were told to use another port and they declined. The Israeli action was not a surprise nor unwarranted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKOmLP4yHb4&feature=player_embedded#!

CWforFreedom on May 31, 2010 at 11:20 AM

So explain why Israel was justified in shooting and killing at least ten activists in this situation.

Jimbo3 on May 31, 2010 at 11:21 AM

WTF were they doing boarding the boats anyway? Israel declared an exclusionary zone in these waters and these morons violated it. The best response would be to sink the offending vessels “pour encourage les autres”.

As for the morons on the ship, they forgot Niven’s law, namely, don’t throw rocks at armed men! This was simply evolution in action. The Turkish nation’s average IQ just went up a little tiny bit.

Skywatcher44 on May 31, 2010 at 11:22 AM

Dark-Star on May 31, 2010 at 11:20 AM

You obviously don’t read. Nuff said.

Yes sad. Talk about reflexes? Hilarious coming from you. Pot meet kettle little man.

CWforFreedom on May 31, 2010 at 11:22 AM

This could only come about because of the inept weakness in Washington DC. Obama is impotent, a Muslim sympathizer and the Muslim world and the secular world that is aligned against the nation of Israel all know it. They are going to try and isolate Israel and come against her en mass. Their carcasses all will rot and bones picked clean by the vultures of the east. These same forces, with the aid of Washington forced Israel to give up Gaza and the so called west bank for the sake of peace. What have these nations who promised peace given…their souls to the forces of hell. What has Israel gained by listening to these demon possessed people?—suicide bombers, rockets and plots to push them into the sea. The day of reckoning is soon approaching and the world will mourn His coming. But many will rejoice.

wepeople on May 31, 2010 at 11:12 AM

-Right. Because Obama was clearly responsible for the poor implementation and execution of the missing by Israelis.

Jimbo3 on May 31, 2010 at 11:23 AM

So explain why Israel was justified in shooting and killing at least ten activists in this situation.

Jimbo3 on May 31, 2010 at 11:21 AM

Not another dipshite- It is called self defense. You idiots kill me. Seriously. Again-someone who did not do their reading. Shooting live ammo was not the first choice. Why are you so ignorant?

CWforFreedom on May 31, 2010 at 11:23 AM

First, Israel should be commended for exercising such extraordinary restraint in choosing to lightly arm their naval commandos to conduct an unbelievably risky underway heliborne assault onto an unfriendly vessel. There are few other assaults that contain as many risks. Second, the next time Israel assaults another vessel, the restraint will not be as judicious as it was in this case. The Israelis knew this incident would blow up into a PR issue for them, and they armed accordingly. They risked their commandos, one of whom is near death, to get the best of the PR campaign. They should be duly commended.

Bibi Netanyahu has slipped off his gloves.

Good for him

ted c on May 31, 2010 at 11:23 AM

If there is anything good to come out of this event it is that Netanyahu canceled his trip to Washington, thus denying Obama the footage of Netanyahu receiving the red carpet treatment before Abbas’ trip next week. What will be available are images of Israel’s Prime Minister being ushered into the back door of the WH. Re: The flotilla. Everyone knew it was coming, particularly the White House and the UN, but no one said anything or did anything to stop the inevitable as the UN and the WH are now in collusion on the issue of Israel. No one will be looking for the truth, just ammunition to further disempower Israel.

You’re correct, Ed. Thank goodness for the videotape, though anti-Israeli sentiment is riding high, thanks to the permission of the president of the United States.

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Rebar on May 31, 2010 at 11:23 AM

So explain why Israel was justified in shooting and killing at least ten activists in this situation.

Jimbo3 on May 31, 2010 at 11:21 AM

Um because they were attacked and fired on, dumbo.

clnurnberg on May 31, 2010 at 11:23 AM

I can’t see much to defend on this mission.

faraway on May 31, 2010 at 10:53 AM

for no good reason?

lodge on May 31, 2010 at 11:12 AM

Good reason — defensible!!

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2009/0107/p07s01-wome.html

rebuzz on May 31, 2010 at 11:23 AM

TheSitRep on May 31, 2010 at 11:16 AM

Lol…point well made.

Would be nice if the news outlets would quit using ‘shock stories’ and Hollywierd pap as an easy way to garner viewership, wouldn’t it?

Dark-Star on May 31, 2010 at 11:24 AM

Video here breifly shows large iron poles being use to beat commandoes

William Amos on May 31, 2010 at 11:21 AM

Those are internationally known as peace poles.

CWforFreedom on May 31, 2010 at 11:24 AM

Hmmm…check out the “peace activist” with his knife in the Haaretz story (scroll down):

“A left-wing activist on board the Gaza flotilla holding a knife after Israel Navy commandos boarded their ship on May 31, 2010.”

UncleBubba on May 31, 2010 at 11:25 AM

So here we have a ship of unknown people rushing a Naval blockade designed to prevent arms from coming in … and then you wonder why some people get killed.

I wonder what would happen in Iraq if a truck decides to rush the checkpoint.

You go looking for trouble you will likely get it, staged or otherwise.

tarpon on May 31, 2010 at 11:25 AM

So explain why Israel was justified in shooting and killing at least ten activists in this situation.

Jimbo3 on May 31, 2010 at 11:21 AM
Um because they were attacked and fired on, dumbo.

clnurnberg on May 31, 2010 at 11:23 AM

–Um, it looks like at most two activists had guns they had taken from the Israeli soliders. So what about the other eight dead?

Jimbo3 on May 31, 2010 at 11:25 AM

How do know that 10 are dead?

faraway on May 31, 2010 at 11:25 AM

So explain why Israel was justified in shooting and killing at least ten activists in this situation.

Jimbo3 on May 31, 2010 at 11:21 AM

Don’t do it, Jimbo. Don’t dive head first into the shallow waters of ignorance.

The Israelis began boarding the ship and were immediately attacked. Their rifles contained paint bullets. The entire operation was supposed to be non-violent; its whole goal was to simply get the ships into a port to be inspected, and have the aid supplies be delivered via legitimate routes.

The Israelis gave the ships multiple warnings before boarding, and the ships chose to run a naval blockade. Even after being given permission to use live rounds, the Israelis initially took leg shots so as to not kill anyone unless absolutely necessary. The violence was planned and initiated by the crew of the ship, not the Israelis.

BadgerHawk on May 31, 2010 at 11:26 AM

Good reason — defensible!!

rebuzz on May 31, 2010 at 11:23 AM

You’re arguing with those that have the story set in their mind without reading the news or watching the videos. Damn if they ever will. You and I know they have a scripted outcome that will not be overcome by facts.

CWforFreedom on May 31, 2010 at 11:27 AM

Dark-Star on May 31, 2010 at 11:20 AM

I suspect that all the ships actually have humanitarian aid on them and not weapons. The goal was to provoke an international incident, so any weapons on board would disrupt that narrative.

BadgerHawk on May 31, 2010 at 11:28 AM

BadgerHawk on May 31, 2010 at 11:26 AM

Jimbo cares not for the truth.

CWforFreedom on May 31, 2010 at 11:28 AM

No good reason. Comprehension is not your strong suit. WYGTFO?

Oh I forgot they were carrying aid to a starving populace. They must be stopped.

lodge on May 31, 2010 at 11:29 AM

So explain why Israel was justified in shooting and killing at least ten activists in this situation.

Jimbo3 on May 31, 2010 at 11:21 AM

According to reports no live shots were fired until “activists” had wrestled away live arms. Once that happened the Israels were justified in using live ammo until those weapons and the “activists” surrendered. They attacked the solders. If you don’t want to die don’t attack a soldier. That is what of the maxim’s I live by.

Rocks on May 31, 2010 at 11:29 AM

Don’t do it, Jimbo. Don’t dive head first into the shallow waters of ignorance.
BadgerHawk on May 31, 2010 at 11:26 AM

*snicker*

BigWyo on May 31, 2010 at 11:29 AM

BTW, any word on the cargo carried yet? I’m hearing big numbers of humanitarian supplies but can’t seem to get any sources.

Dark-Star on May 31, 2010 at 11:20 AM

Get a clue! “humanitarian supplies” are meant to supplement Hamas’ ability to buy rockets etc. ANY aid increases their ability to make war on Israel.

This is just one example of the asymmetrical war they have here: for Hamas it’s total war — ll resources marshaled for the fight; for Israel — “paint balls” as weapon of first resort!

rebuzz on May 31, 2010 at 11:30 AM

BadgerHawk on May 31, 2010 at 11:26 AM

Jimbo cares not for the truth.

Also-
The JPOST reports 15 dead.

http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=177022

CWforFreedom on May 31, 2010 at 11:31 AM

Got Firefox? Problem solved.

Guardian on May 31, 2010 at 10:52 AM

EXCELLENT! Thanks!

karl9000 on May 31, 2010 at 11:31 AM

You and I know they have a scripted outcome that will not be overcome by facts.

CWforFreedom on May 31, 2010 at 11:27 AM

True — but we gotta try!

BTW what if we controlled our borders with the same mindset as does Israel?

rebuzz on May 31, 2010 at 11:31 AM

So explain why Israel was justified in shooting and killing

at least ten activists in this situation.

Jimbo3 on May 31, 2010 at 11:21 AM
Don’t do it, Jimbo. Don’t dive head first into the shallow waters of ignorance.

The Israelis began boarding the ship and were immediately attacked. Their rifles contained paint bullets. The entire operation was supposed to be non-violent; its whole goal was to simply get the ships into a port to be inspected, and have the aid supplies be delivered via legitimate routes.

The Israelis gave the ships multiple warnings before boarding, and the ships chose to run a naval blockade. Even after being given permission to use live rounds, the Israelis initially took leg shots so as to not kill anyone unless absolutely necessary. The violence was planned and initiated by the crew of the ship, not the Israelis.

BadgerHawk on May 31, 2010 at 11:26 AM

–If the Israeli rifles contained only paintballs, then how could the activists have taken those rifles and shot the Isrealis with bullets? There are no reports that the activists had guns before the ship was boarded. And they must be really poor shots to kill ten people when shooting at legs. Sorry, there’s more to this story than we’re being told.

Jimbo3 on May 31, 2010 at 11:32 AM

hmmm I’m about as pro-Israel as one can be who has no connection to the country….

But having said that, I’m having a hard time with the spin… If you want to take the vessel, come in with Uzi’s showing and shoot the first one….

Ten dead -who were not well armed- just looks horrible.

I dunno, I’m trying to convince myself Israel was in the right but I’m even having trouble.

Elastic Jordan on May 31, 2010 at 11:32 AM

–Um, it looks like at most two activists had guns they had taken from the Israeli soliders. So what about the other eight dead?

Jimbo3 on May 31, 2010 at 11:25 AM

In Jimbo-land, knives don’t kill people I take it?

Good Solid B-Plus on May 31, 2010 at 11:32 AM

The violence was planned and initiated by the crew of the ship, not the Israelis.

BadgerHawk on May 31, 2010 at 11:26 AM

I am not going to rationalize that far. An Israeli commando team boarded the ship with weapons. The Israelis should have anticipated this would happen with this mission.

I agree, the ship needed to be turned around. But, this mission was a screwup.

faraway on May 31, 2010 at 11:32 AM

Oh I forgot they were carrying aid to a starving populace. They must be stopped.

lodge on May 31, 2010 at 11:29 AM

They dont starve. Per capita Palestinians get more money in aid than anyone else.

the_nile on May 31, 2010 at 11:32 AM

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