Tavis Smiley: There are way more Christian murderers than Muslim ones

posted at 7:17 pm on May 28, 2010 by Allahpundit

Via Hengler, this seems so off-the-grid stupid that it makes me paranoid that I’m misunderstanding it. Hirsi Ali’s talking about jihad here, i.e. religiously-motivated murder by Muslims, and his comeback is that, well, Christians kill people too. In fact, in America, many more Christians commit murder than Muslims do. Which is no doubt true since the ratio of the former to the latter is, um, like, 75 to 1. What that has to do with her view of each faith’s capacity to motivate its followers to kill is beyond me (and beyond even nonpartisan sites like Mediaite). Either he’s missing her point so wildly that they’re having two different conversations or he seriously believes that a guy who shoots up a post office after, say, getting laid off is necessarily committing an act of religious terrorism in the name of whatever faith he follows. Off the grid, I say.


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Oh snap! Dis heavy-hittin’ Tavis brotha be smart as a whip. Truly a near Don King or Obama-level intelleck of historic ramifiliations. Nome sayin’?

Travis Bickle on May 28, 2010 at 9:03 PM

Just when I think liberals can’t get any dumber . . .

FalseProfit on May 28, 2010 at 9:03 PM

Aleph on May 28, 2010 at 8:48 PM

I’m an idiot. You are good!

AUINSC on May 28, 2010 at 9:04 PM

Strawman indeed

Mr. Tavis stay on topic

CWforFreedom on May 28, 2010 at 9:07 PM

I don’t mean to controversial … but.

For years … Michael Savage has said that Liberism is a mental disorder.

It has proven to be so … what more can be said?

ORrighty on May 28, 2010 at 9:10 PM

There is absolutely no question that those who were nominally Christians committed far more murderous acts than Muslim did. The Holocaust is a historical fact, as was the millennium worth of persecution against. I find it sickening, simply sickening, how some Christians exploits violence committed by Muslims today to whitewash the millennium worth of mistreatment of Jews at the hands of Christians.

year_of_the_dingo on May 28, 2010 at 9:15 PM

Too easy…

This guy apparently never studied fractions, subsets or logic.

mankai on May 28, 2010 at 9:18 PM

First off……..Tavis Smiley is “off the charts” STUPID.

Secondly……..he’s a Christian?……huh?…..oh I get it he’s a “Celebrity Christian”. Celebrity Christians are the Hollywood types that get up and accept the Awards at these shows and say “I’d like to thank God for giving me big jugs and the ability to groove on the stripper pole”. He can’t be a practicing Flyover Country Christian or he’d realize what a dumb*** he sounds like.

Thirdly I hope this wonderful woman realized what an idjit Smiley is.

PappyD61 on May 28, 2010 at 9:19 PM

‘Stewart Smiley’ is nothing more than a two-bit, fast-talking, serial-lying, race-huckster. As I’d commented in the Green Room on this, for all his claims he could go on all day regarding this murderous crime wave of Christian thugs, he mysteriously opted against giving a single, solid example.

Post office shootings? Show me one that was perpetrated by a Christian.

School shootings? Same challenge.

Colombine? That’s so stupid, it’s difficult to even muster up the sense of humor to laugh about that.

‘Stewart Smiley’ doesn’t seem to understand that stark and grave differences between Christendom and islam. By definition, if you’re a murderer, you’re not doing the work of God. When it says in the Bible to put on the Armor of God, it’s not, then, advocating for you to march on the enemy and destroy it. It says stand against enemy forces. One of the premier orders (called “commandments”, commonly) of the Bible is: “thou shalt not commit murder”. That word “murder” differentiates it from “kill”. I was authorized to kill in the Army, and I had no problem with killing. I could, and would, kill all the live long day, and think nothing of it, because I was justified and knew I was doing the right thing were I to find myself knee-deep in the dead. When God ordered such things as the total destruction of civilizations in the Old Testament, it was specifically on unrepentant, evil, un-Godly peoples, NOT a general ROE to be carried out in every situation. In more than one instance of war with Israel, there were prisoners taken, the lives of whom were preserved. Why were they allowed to live? Because that’s what God wanted, and that was/remains the Judeo-Christian ethic.

Islam is a completely different, illegitimate, cloven-hoofed animal. Written by a man that was demoniacally-possessed/suffering from a progressively debilitating form of schizophrenia, psychopathy of some kind, etc. as he was dying (syphilis?), it advocated killing on an unending scale. It advocated the extermination of all unbelievers, such as the Jews and Children of the Book (the beneficiaries of Christendom). It advocated/advocates revenge-killings against enemies. It advocated the extermination of Jews on a scale Adolph Hitler and Heinreich Himmler would blanch at, and that authorization remains in place, to this very day. It glorifies murder-suicide in the name of a demon masquerading as a god, “allah” (which many try to claim to be the God of Abraham, because the word is literally translated by some as “god”).

Christendom advocates spreading the faith throughout the world by the spreading of the Gospel and living a life that is visibly influenced by that very Gospel. Those that refuse are to be left behind, and you are to kick the dust of their homes off your feet.

Islam advocates spreading their theo-political craze/social disease by the edge of the sword. Acts of terror and violence are completely justified, in order to terrorize the weak into falling to their knees in surrender to a false god.

Then we have Stewart Smalley (I mean Smiley).

Mr. Christian.

A real Christian does not support a president that robs taxpayers of their hard-earned funds, and redistributes them to the world in order to subsidize and underwrite abortion (that’s child murder/sacrifice, to the uninformed), worldwide (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/International/story?id=6716958&page=1). A real Christian does not support an arrogant, self-aggrandizing politician that wants to take things away from God (“…render unto Caesar…” -Mark 12:17) (http://philanthropy.com/article/Obamas-Plan-to-Reduce/63024/), Himself.

To Stewart Smiley I say: Matthew 7:23

There’s also this commandment against bearing false witness against your neighbor. I think accusing this nation’s Christian residents of being involved in a murderous, nationwide crimewave (that, mysteriously, is being kept out of the public eye, thanks to the complicity of a protective press blackout, apparently) falls under that. Smiley has always been a racist and a liar who hides behind a couple of fake Ph.D.s (“honorary”) and the endorsements of leftists (one of America’s 50 Most Promising Young Leaders, Time Magazine, 1994). He is the classical example you point to when you warn people not to lie down with dogs, lest you wake up with fleas, and not to cast your pearls before swine.

Virus-X on May 28, 2010 at 9:19 PM

year_of_the_dingo on May 28, 2010 at 9:15 PM

The Holocaust was the committed by Christians?

Without Evangical Christianity, there is no Israel. And if Germany was somehow “Christian” than the US was moreso… so your ignorant analogy falls apart quickly.

Public school, I’m guessing.

mankai on May 28, 2010 at 9:21 PM

Tavis either doesn’t know the difference or doesn’t want to know.

BTW, just received my copy of “Nomad” in the mail today. Can’t wait to start reading it tonight.

NYconservative on May 28, 2010 at 9:23 PM

Smiley is a idjit, but a great picture of the genius thinking in the 95% of his minority group that voted for the Destroyer.

But how smart are we………we don’t demand that the FedGov cut off funding?

PappyD61 on May 28, 2010 at 9:26 PM

In fact, in America, many more Christians commit murder than Muslims do. Which is no doubt true since the ratio of the former to the latter is, um, like, 75 to 1.

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If one compares murder rates among American male Christians who attend church once a week or more to the murder rates among America’s adult Muslim male population one may find that Tavis Smiley is wrong even on a raw number basis. Violence levels among Church-going American males is astonishingly low.

Mike OMalley on May 28, 2010 at 9:27 PM

This guy pretends to be an intellectual?

Schadenfreude on May 28, 2010 at 9:30 PM

I thought it was common knowledge that the Columbine shooters asked their victims if they believed in God. If the answer was yes, they were shot immediately.

I thought that was common knowledge.

Then I heard Tavis Smiley run his big, fat, uninformed mouth.

Grace_is_sufficient on May 28, 2010 at 9:31 PM

There is absolutely no question that those who were nominally Christians committed far more murderous acts than Muslim did. The Holocaust is a historical fact, as was the millennium worth of persecution against. I find it sickening, simply sickening, how some Christians exploits violence committed by Muslims today to whitewash the millennium worth of mistreatment of Jews at the hands of Christians.

year_of_the_dingo on May 28, 2010 at 9:15 PM

Your ignorance is easily on par with Steward Smiley’s. If not outright stupidity. Adolph Hitler, the National Socialists, etc; all non-Christian. In fact, the SS were being prepared to become the priest-class of a new, state-run religion. And guess what? It wasn’t a Christian denomination. I guess it’s too complex a matter for you to realize that a psychotic nation prostrate at the boots of a psychopathic, false messiah that hates Jews for being who and what they are, and holding true to those things, would also, quite possibly, find it in their hearts to reject a JOOO GOD.

Dumbass.

I find it sickening, simply sickening, that uneducated half wits (like yourself, for example) whitewash the millennium worth of violence and mistreatment of Jews at the hands of muslims, all in order to take cheap shots at Christendom and Catholicism. Congratulations, sir, on your successful application for renewal of your membership card to the Great Unwashed.

Go back to Democratic Underground, Year of the Dumbass.

Virus-X on May 28, 2010 at 9:39 PM

Without Evangical Christianity, there is no Israel. And if Germany was somehow “Christian” than the US was moreso… so your ignorant analogy falls apart quickly.

Public school, I’m guessing.

mankai on May 28, 2010 at 9:21 PM

Israel exists because of the courage, determination, and self-sacrifices of Jews. Who were there on battlefield in 48? Who wrestled control of old Jerusalem from the Arabs in 67? No, it certainly wasn’t Evangelical Christians. Was the centuries of persecution not enough? Was Kristallnacht not enough for you? Must you steal the valor of Jews fighting for their very existence too? Shame on you.

year_of_the_dingo on May 28, 2010 at 9:40 PM

There is absolutely no question that those who were nominally Christians committed far more murderous acts than Muslim did. The Holocaust is a historical fact, as was the millennium worth of persecution against. I find it sickening, simply sickening, how some Christians exploits violence committed by Muslims today to whitewash the millennium worth of mistreatment of Jews at the hands of Christians.

year_of_the_dingo on May 28, 2010 at 9:15 PM

Dingo, old boy, do you have ANY idea what you are talking about? Nope. Do you know that it was the Catholics who saved so many Jews from the Nazis when the Jews had fled to Italy during WWII? Apparently not. In fact, Hitler was determined to exterminate not only Jews but all Catholics as well. Check the records on how many priests were exterminated in concentration camps. A little historical fact-checking might clarify matters for you. Really…..

chai on May 28, 2010 at 9:53 PM

There is absolutely no question that those who were nominally Christians committed far more murderous acts than Muslim did. The Holocaust is a historical fact, as was the millennium worth of persecution against. I find it sickening, simply sickening, how some Christians exploits violence committed by Muslims today to whitewash the millennium worth of mistreatment of Jews at the hands of Christians.

year_of_the_dingo on May 28, 2010 at 9:15 PM

The Shoah was committed by pagans.
I was raised Jewish-and Christians that follow Christ don’t commit evil.
Muslims that follow their god DO commit evil.
Christians aren’t the problem Dingo!!

annoyinglittletwerp on May 28, 2010 at 9:53 PM

PS. Smiley is a fool. Let’s see…. how many Christians fly planes into building or blow up people on buses, planes, subways, etc., etc. If he can count beyond zero, that would be amazing..

chai on May 28, 2010 at 9:54 PM

DingoBat- No Christians did not commit the Holocaust. This silly speak has to end.

CWforFreedom on May 28, 2010 at 9:56 PM

Must you steal the valor of Jews fighting for their very existence too? Shame on you.

year_of_the_dingo on May 28, 2010 at 9:40 PM

Who are you to speak for Jews? Shame on you.

Tav on May 28, 2010 at 9:57 PM

Tav

applause!

CWforFreedom on May 28, 2010 at 9:58 PM

Netanyahu, Obama’s newest prop

Bibi is returning to the White House — and not for a “beer summit”. Indicators suggest that the Israeli prime minister may be weakening. He better not.

The Democratic Party is feeling the heat for US President Barack Obama’s hostility towards Israel. In an interview with Israel’s Channel 10 earlier this month, Democratic Party mega-donor Haim Saban characterized the Obama administration as ideologically aligned with the radical Left and harshly criticized its treatment of Israel.

Both Ma’ariv and Yediot Ahronot reported this week that Democratic congressmen and senators as deeply concerned that the administration’s harsh treatment of Israel has convinced many American Jews not to contribute to their reelection campaigns or to the Democratic Party in the upcoming mid-term elections. They also fear that American Jews will vote for Republican challengers in large numbers.

It is these concerns, rather than a decision to alter his positions on Israel specifically and the Middle East generally that now drive Obama’s relentless courtship of the American Jewish community. His latest move in this sphere was his sudden invitation to Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu to visit him at the White House for a “warm reception” in front of television cameras next Tuesday.

It is clear that electoral worries rather than policy concerns are behind what the White House has described as a “charm offensive,” because since launching this offensive a few weeks ago, Obama has not changed any of his policies towards Israel and the wider Middle East. In fact, he has ratcheted up these policies to Israel’s detriment.

Tav on May 28, 2010 at 10:08 PM

Was Kristallnacht not enough for you?
year_of_the_dingo on May 28, 2010 at 9:40 PM

Hitler was a pagan, yotd, who saw himself in the prophesies of Nostrodamus. Calling Hitler a Christian is like calling Stalin a Buddhist. You sound silly.

Tuning Spork on May 28, 2010 at 10:08 PM

Yet again…….Behold the mind numbing power of pigment….this moron should be mowing lawns at best…but this is the new post racial America! Local news hear in Ma. interrupted regular programming to inform us that an American Icon had expired, Gary Coleman had died……WTF!

All Hail the Messiah

dmann on May 28, 2010 at 10:23 PM

Kinda weird to mention a caveat as to how Hirsi Ali is known and not mention Submission or Theo van Geoh.

lizzie beth on May 28, 2010 at 10:34 PM

Hitler was a pagan, yotd, who saw himself in the prophesies of Nostrodamus. Calling Hitler a Christian is like calling Stalin a Buddhist. You sound silly.

Tuning Spork on May 28, 2010 at 10:08 PM

No, it is you who is silly. Hilter wasn’t clearly quite anything, but Hitler did fulfill the desires of the third most important just Christian in the history of Christianity in his genocide of the Jews. Martin Luther had argued for what Hitler did.

And anyway, Hitler’s rhetoric did appeal to many very Christian Germans. There is no category of people who can escape some degree of responsibility and truly the only moral course is not to attempt to claim your hands are clean. If there is anything to learn from what happened in Nazi Germany, it’s to not place paranoid blame on others.

Now, there is small detail that some people miss. Hitler blamed the Jews, and it was crazy. You are equally crazily trying to shift blame on the pagans. But some groups really are evil, like the Nazis, the KKK, and the mulims–because they are never willing to take responsiblity for their evil.

thuja on May 28, 2010 at 10:42 PM

Smiley has an audience of what. . . a dozen? Who cares? His opinion means jacksh*t. He’s just another race hustler like Obama. He either practices intentional ignorance or he is unfixable stupid. Now it’s been reported that Smiley is a “christian”, if so, he must be one of those James H. Cone black liberation “christians” like brother Barack.

Whenever anybody pulls that Iamachristian stuff on me, I just ask them how many books are in the Holy Bible? What translation do they read? I only get blank stares in return.

As far as Christians committing murder more often than Mohammadans, I say bullcrap. Only a secular progressive would even try to argue the point. Nominal small “c” christians have murdered in the modern era, the holocaust comes to mind, but even Hitler and Company did not do it in the name of Christ Jesus. Now those pesky raghead mooslems are another story, don’t you know.

scullymj on May 28, 2010 at 10:46 PM

If one compares murder rates among American male Christians who attend church once a week or more to the murder rates among America’s adult Muslim male population one may find that Tavis Smiley is wrong even on a raw number basis. Violence levels among Church-going American males is astonishingly low.

Mike OMalley on May 28, 2010 at 9:27 PM

And then there is the fact the peopel who are most attracted to Islam in America are the bullies and thugs in the prison population. Islam truly is a religion of human scum.

thuja on May 28, 2010 at 10:55 PM

Israel exists because of the courage, determination, and self-sacrifices of Jews. Who were there on battlefield in 48? Who wrestled control of old Jerusalem from the Arabs in 67? No, it certainly wasn’t Evangelical Christians. Was the centuries of persecution not enough? Was Kristallnacht not enough for you? Must you steal the valor of Jews fighting for their very existence too? Shame on you.

year_of_the_dingo on May 28, 2010 at 9:40 PM

Dingo, I think you are lying. I don’t think you give a s*** about Jews. And if you do, your arguments only injure Jews. Either way, people who support Israel and support rational argument should ignore you.

thuja on May 28, 2010 at 11:00 PM

Thuja
I have a Lutheran friend and her parents are very anti-Jewish.
They consider me to be Christian because I converted but I know better. She mentioned to me-why, I have no idea-that her dad might be a Holocaust revisionist. We don’t discuss her parents anymore.
Btw: It’s not all Lutherans. I was Missouri Synod at one point and they were good people .
My friends parents belong to the LCR-Lutheran Church of the Reformation.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 28, 2010 at 11:07 PM

There is absolutely no question that those who were nominally Christians committed far more murderous acts than Muslim did. The Holocaust is a historical fact, as was the millennium worth of persecution against. I find it sickening, simply sickening, how some Christians exploits violence committed by Muslims today to whitewash the millennium worth of mistreatment of Jews at the hands of Christians.

year_of_the_dingo on May 28, 2010 at 9:15 PM

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Nominal Christians? And that’s not a misleading characterization of conditions in a virulently anti-Christian totalitarian Neo-Pagan/Social Darwinist state?
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In 1931 the German Catholic bishops conference excommunicate ALL active Nazi party members. By 1935 the Nazis had imprison a half a million German Catholics in concentration camp. By 1943 the Nazis even had a special section in the Dachau death camp for over fifteen thousand Catholic and Orthodox priests. There was one religion which was never restricted in Nazi Germany however. That religion was Islam. I suggest you read up on Islamic participation in the Holocaust. The Muslim Handizar SS divisions annihilated 90% of the Jews population of Bosnia. Pay particular attention to the roll played by Haj Muhammad Amin al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.
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BTW Mr. Dingo, Islam has been annihilating Jews from its very founding. SeeThe Legacy of Islamic Antisemitism By Dr. Andrew G. Bostom and ISLAM AND DHIMMITUDE. Where Civilizations Collide by Bat Ye’or

Mike OMalley on May 28, 2010 at 11:16 PM

Here you go Mike.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 28, 2010 at 11:40 PM

Let’s try again.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 28, 2010 at 11:41 PM

Must you steal the valor of Jews fighting for their very existence too? Shame on you.
year_of_the_dingo on May 28, 2010 at 9:40 PM

LOL. It only took two posts for dingbat to invoke the tried and true troll-ism “shame on you”.
Be true to your troll school.

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on May 28, 2010 at 11:56 PM

Very classy lady who knows whatof she speaks. He is an asshat of the highest order.

kellyjane on May 29, 2010 at 12:02 AM

Hey tavis,

Prove it.

archer52 on May 29, 2010 at 12:10 AM

There is absolutely no question that those who were nominally Christians committed far more murderous acts than Muslim did. The Holocaust is a historical fact, as was the millennium worth of persecution against. I find it sickening, simply sickening, how some Christians exploits violence committed by Muslims today to whitewash the millennium worth of mistreatment of Jews at the hands of Christians.

year_of_the_dingo on May 28, 2010 at 9:15 PM

The difference between faithful Christians and faithful Muslims? Christians are killed for their faith, Muslims kill because of it.

Blue Collar Todd on May 29, 2010 at 12:11 AM

A radical Christian will do everything within his power, including die, to make sure you get to heaven. A radical Muslim with do everything within his power, including die, to make sure you get to hell.

I think it’s time for all citizens of this country to start asking the Democratic party for reparations for subjecting America to Obama.

Mojave Mark on May 29, 2010 at 12:27 AM

This guy is a real moron, but that’s been evident for a long time.

therightwinger on May 29, 2010 at 1:21 AM

It’s Tavis. ’nuff said.

skydaddy on May 29, 2010 at 1:25 AM

I wonder, ( I don’t know squat about this guy) if he’s full on muslim or perhaps closet muslim…or does he understand his state of dhimmitude?
Nothing like being an apologist/defender of islam.
It’s a totalitarian government in the guise of a religion.
It’s a religion in the guise of a totalitarian government.
It’s two, two, two forms of slavery in one!
However unlike Doublemint Gum, there is no fun in islam.( So sayeth the grand ayatoilet sosmelly or as some know him the ayatollah khomeini).
Check out his islamic best seller…a guide to sex in islam and many other questions answered. Is sex with an infant permissible? You betcha. (Sodomy only…be cool.) How about sex with animals? According to the ayatoilet…hell yeah!
Read for yourself…then defend islam if you can…
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/The_Little_Green_Book.Islam

Army Brat on May 29, 2010 at 4:53 AM

As I type this “http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/” is reporting that 15361 individual deadly terrorist attacks inspired by Islam have taken place since 9/11. That’s almost 5 a day. If Smiley can show 5 a MONTH for Christians I’d be surprised and want to see the documentation.

He is another ignoranus.

{^_^}

herself on May 29, 2010 at 5:00 AM

Great site. The number of attacks goes up, as you point out, 4 or 5 a day. Never does a day go by without at least one or two.
The thing is, they’re not counting the murders, just the terrorist attacks. The murders are impossible to keep track of cause most muslims ignore them. Honor killings are not murder, they are islamic justice as put down in the hate book by the pervert prophet.

There are many great sites to learn about islam and how to fight the Stealth jihad. Jihadwatch.org is one. You’ll find a wide range of Infidels there. Molecular Biologists, Lawyers, Politicians, Nuclear Physicists, Professors of History, Linguists and regular folks like me…you name it. Hindus, Sikhs, Taoists, Atheists, Jews, Christians, Agnostics, Buddhists even…all seeking to stop the spread of islam.

This Travis guy is just a liar. That’s all.

islam is a lie and
Truth is killing it.

Army Brat on May 29, 2010 at 5:30 AM

year_of_the_dingo on May 28, 2010 at 9:15 PM

You are so right. Watch out for those Christians coming after you. They are sneaky (and worse, they carry literature to thump you with), so watch closely.

Even if you don’t see them they are there. The only way to hide is to use tinfoil. It masks you from them. They have G-ray vision, but it can’t see through tinfoil. If you can’t find tinfoil, then just run as fast as you can.

Be safe dingo. We’ll be praying for you (to a generic, non-denominational, he/she/it deity.) But if you don’t want that, we’ll just meditate naked in the wind.

Squiggy on May 29, 2010 at 7:56 AM

This is definitely Will Farrell in black make-up trying to get a supporting role in Tropic Thunder 2.

Erkenbrand on May 29, 2010 at 8:12 AM

Martin Luther went on an anti Jewish rant. It was among other things some part of the groundwork for the holocaust. Hitler was a Catholic.
The world has a lot of people that did not apply principles from the New Testament teachings. They are not followers of Jesus.
Muslims and christians combined do not approach the 200 million in the last 140 years killed by Mao, Pol Pout, Stalin, Lenin etc affiliated with atheism.

seven on May 29, 2010 at 9:54 AM

Let’s try again.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 28, 2010 at 11:41 PM

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Thanks A.L.T.

The Wikipedia account, upon quick review, seems sanitized. I think it was Gestapo observers who were shocked at the genocidal anti-Jewish ferocity of the Handizar SS in the Balkins. Anyway this is another link from Google Images: Der Grossmufti von Jerusalem bei den bosnischen Freiwilligen der Waffen-SS
which translates to: “The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem with Bosnian volunteers of the Waffen-SS”
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BTW: I recently found out that during the early break up of Yugoslavia in the 1990s Bosnian Muslims, under the influence of A.Q. and Iran, tried to reconstitute the Handizar Divisions. Recalling WWII and centuries of Islamic oppression the Serbian Marxists in Yugoslavia reacted ferociously to A.Q. and neo-Handizar’s initial acts of genocide against Serbs in Bosnia.

Mike OMalley on May 29, 2010 at 10:17 AM

Yes, more Christians commit murder than Muslims do, and it is called self defense.

MSGTAS on May 29, 2010 at 10:19 AM

Tavis Smiley is to stupid what the hydrogen bomb is to weapons of mass destruction; the very pinnacle.

Extrafishy on May 29, 2010 at 10:47 AM

Martin Luther went on an anti Jewish rant. It was among other things some part of the groundwork for the holocaust. Hitler was a Catholic.
The world has a lot of people that did not apply principles from the New Testament teachings. They are not followers of Jesus.
Muslims and christians combined do not approach the 200 million in the last 140 years killed by Mao, Pol Pout, Stalin, Lenin etc affiliated with atheism.

seven on May 29, 2010 at 9:54 AM

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While a substantive argument has been made attributing significant responsibility for the Holocaust to Martin Luther, whose anti-Semitic vitriol was only exceeded by his anti-Catholic vitriol. It should not forgotten that Luther wasn’t excommunicated by his bishop, or by a German bishops synod, not even by a Pope but by one of the great Church Councils. Moreover, the very Popes that Luther vilified and demonized chose not to scapegoat the Jews for Reformation but to use their authority to fight anti-Semitic mistreatment of the Jews in Catholic lands.
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Hitler was obviously an anti-Christian neo-Pagan who had obviously left Catholicism in his youth. As an active Nazi party member he was excommunicated by the German Catholic bishops in 1931.
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Actually by some reasonable accounts, after 14 centuries, the Islamic-Jihadist death toll may be as high as 270 million. The death toll in India alone is estimated to be around 80 million. At times Muslim conquerors in India would kill 100,000 or more conquered Hindus, Jahns, Buddhist and other non-Muslims per day in sacred murder. In comparison the estimated death toll for the infamous burning times in the 16th century is now around 30,000 over the span of a century.

Mike OMalley on May 29, 2010 at 10:54 AM

The Holocaust is a historical fact, as was the millennium worth of persecution against. I find it sickening, simply sickening, how some Christians exploits violence committed by Muslims today to whitewash the millennium worth of mistreatment of Jews at the hands of Christians.

year_of_the_dingo on May 28, 2010 at 9:15 PM

Dingbat: Yes, I can still visualize all the Muslims freeing those who survived the death camps – and keeping the evil Christians from further mistreating them.

Historical fact is interfering with your delusions.

Rejection of Truth damns one to buying into the lie. Seek Truth – and you will find it – but only if you truly seek it.

Oopsdaisy on May 29, 2010 at 11:39 AM

A strong argument for abortion.

LarryG on May 30, 2010 at 12:13 AM

A couple of months ago, about April of this year, Muslim extremist attacked Christians in a village in the Northern part of Nigeria. The story even made it to the recent publication Voice of the Martyrs magazine. Here are some pictures of that attack. CAUTION!! It is VERY graphic. http://www.anglicandioceseofjos.org/dogo.html

So I am EXTREMELY offended (putting it mildly) When TV personality and Muslim apologist Tavis Smiley has the audacity to say that Christians are blowing things and people up in America. Tavis smiley called the columbine shooters at those like them Christians!!!! Am I missing something here?!!! How many of these people i.e. the columbine shooters said they were doing this for CHRIST?!!!!

lizzie-e on June 14, 2010 at 9:11 PM

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