Red State: On second thought, we’re not sure if anyone’s paying Haley’s accuser

posted at 4:22 pm on May 28, 2010 by Allahpundit

Let’s backtrack. Yesterday, at 2:50 p.m., the siren goes up and Erick Erickson announces that “We know who paid Will Folks to push this story out there.” Last night, at 9:16 p.m., Erickson scoffs at Folks’s denial: “Will Folks is denying he got paid. Hahahahaha.” This morning, at 9:00 a.m., Erickson mocks Folks’s third-person writing style and declares, “Sources tell Erick Erickson that yes, despite Folks’s denial, money was paid to procure the story and guarantee it hit at the most opportune time — right before the primary.”

And now, the chips fall:

I have no clue if anyone is behind Will Folks doing this. He really could feel aggrieved for some reason and just want to take out Nikki Haley. But I have a theory, I have some facts, and I’ve drawn some inferences to form my opinion. Let’s go below the fold and down the rabbit hole…

Who knows where this story will lead. And who knows if anyone is behind it other than Will Folks. A lot of people suspect Andre Bauer has some role just given his history. That’s my opinion and I’m perfectly willing to admit it is speculation based on inference from a number of facts that haven’t really been discussed yet. Take it for what you will.

Follow the last link and read the whole post. There was a rumor floating around awhile ago on another blog that Folks had reached some unspecified deal with Lt. Gov. Andre Bauer last year; supposedly, the private investigator who may or may not have taken a photo that may or may not exist of Folks and Haley together also works for a Bauer ally. And Bauer has a motive to take down Haley because he’s desperate to get back into contention with the primary coming up. There’s a bit more — Folks himself worked for Bauer four years ago before they had a falling out — but that’s pretty much the gist of the big siren-worthy scoop. Unless I missed it, not a word is offered to support the specific, oft-repeated charge that Folks is getting paid under the table to do this. Hot Air commenters, who were joyously anticipating the Great Will Folks Takedown, are … not pleased.

So, two possibilities. One: This was supposed to be some grand satire of Folks’s M.O., breathlessly touting an explosive allegation with little evidence to support it in order to show how easy it is to get media attention from smearing people. Erickson hints at something like that in passing in today’s post (“With apologies to RedState readers … I’ve had no hesitation in stringing the media along like Folks has done”), but if that really was the plan all along, he would have been more explicit today in announcing it as a joke. And the thing is, it’s not a joke: He does think Folks is in cahoots with Bauer and executing a political hit. He’s simply no longer willing to say that he’s doing it for a fee. Which brings us to theory two: Erickson was promised hard evidence by one of his sources about Folks getting paid and the source flaked out on him at the last minute, hanging him out to dry. But in that case, why trumpet this story for two days before you have it nailed down? He’s actually made Folks seem marginally more credible by admitting that he can’t prove any ulterior motive.

Speaking of which, the media’s sifted through Folks’s phone records and found 600 calls between him and Haley in 2007. The obvious explanation: He was working for her at the time. Less easily explained: Why some of the calls came late at night, including one at 2:24 a.m. that ran for more than two hours. Gonna be a hell of a debate on Tuesday!

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That’s why I love this site: healthy skepticism.

That, and all Palin all teh time.

John the Libertarian on May 28, 2010 at 4:26 PM

John the Libertarian on May 28, 2010 at 4:26 PM

Got a problem with skepticism?

Allahpundit on May 28, 2010 at 4:27 PM

I wonder how many women would look at a picture of Folks and say, “Affair with him? Not even if he was the last man on earth.”

Wethal on May 28, 2010 at 4:27 PM

I bitched him out royally on twitter after his first story this morning… and was extremely disappointed after this… maybe he does have more that’s not confirmed yet he just came up with this… but if so, don’t hype it…

Anyway, TheOtherMcCain seems to be onto something…

http://theothermccain.com/2010/05/28/background-to-the-carolina-scandal-will-folks-tom-knotts-and-the-hit-list/

ninjapirate on May 28, 2010 at 4:27 PM

Speaking of which, the media’s sifted through Folks’s phone records and found 600 calls between him and Haley in 2007. The obvious explanation: He was working for her at the time. Less easily explained: Why some of the calls came late at night, including one at 2:24 a.m. that ran for more than two hours. Gonna be a hell of a debate on Tuesday!

Uh oh.

terryannonline on May 28, 2010 at 4:28 PM

TheOtherMcCain seems to be onto something…

http://theothermccain.com/2010/05/28/background-to-the-carolina-scandal-will-folks-tom-knotts-and-the-hit-list/

ninjapirate on May 28, 2010 at 4:28 PM

I will believe Nikki Haley until there is actual PROOF of her having an affair with this ugly, arrogant, bald-headed chicken buggerer…

Fuzzlenutter on May 28, 2010 at 4:28 PM

Got a problem with skepticism?

Allahpundit on May 28, 2010 at 4:27 PM

Whoa, tiger.

MadisonConservative on May 28, 2010 at 4:28 PM

I found the warnings of BIG announcements coming somewhat annoying considering the gravity of the circumstances.

rob verdi on May 28, 2010 at 4:28 PM

Red State… blush… then prepare to lower your ad rates as hits plummet.

mankai on May 28, 2010 at 4:29 PM

Less easily explained: Why some of the calls came late at night, including one at 2:24 a.m. that ran for more than two hours.

Hard to explain, really? I wonder how many late night, hours long calls she has had with her ops to discuss how to handle this. In the internet age there is no such thing as late night.

And yes Erick looks like and idiot and lame over this.
if this was a joke he should have left it to Ace.
This could have been played over at AoSHQ. Redstate, not so much.

Rocks on May 28, 2010 at 4:29 PM

Still, why hasn’t Folks come through with all the evidence yet? He’s been stringing us along for much longer than a couple of days.

Esthier on May 28, 2010 at 4:29 PM

600 phone calls for an active campaign seems reasonable, including working late at night.

rob verdi on May 28, 2010 at 4:29 PM

Did someone say “sue you” ????

jake-the-goose on May 28, 2010 at 4:29 PM

Less easily explained: Why some of the calls came late at night, including one at 2:24 a.m. that ran for more than two hours. Gonna be a hell of a debate on Tuesday!

Simple, he was calling her from California while she was still in South Carolina.

That’s what Skepticism is all about Charlie Brown.

Skywise on May 28, 2010 at 4:30 PM

But in that case, why trumpet this story for two days before you have it nailed down?

No offense, AllahP, but I find it incredible that you are accusing Erick Erickson while you have been hanging on his every word for days. I mean, we have the pot calling the kettle black, here.

DaydreamBeliever on May 28, 2010 at 4:30 PM

I think Erich was baiting Folks, along with everyone else and it’s biting him in the butt.

Does that make him a master baiter?

Monica on May 28, 2010 at 4:30 PM

I really gripped at Erickson this morning before the big unveil came… he’s the one who fell for Sanford’s crap before he got caught…

God, I’m tired of people hyping crap up…

ninjapirate on May 28, 2010 at 4:30 PM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG0Ik4_1DqU

canopfor on May 28, 2010 at 4:30 PM

Ericson has just stepped on his own d**k, any pretense that his was a legitimate ‘news’ source just went fling out the door. There is enough real dirt on the progressive Dhims that the right cannot to engage in bullsh*t like this. I Hope Ericson has the dignity and class to go down with the USS RedState, I.AM.NOT.HOLDINGMY BREATH.

Archimedes on May 28, 2010 at 4:31 PM

Got a problem with skepticism?

Allahpundit on May 28, 2010 at 4:27 PM

Uh oh, call Meggie- beta has gone alpha!

Monica on May 28, 2010 at 4:31 PM

Well, Erickson *is* the genius who helped give us Rand Paul.

It's Vintage, Duh on May 28, 2010 at 4:32 PM

Seems to be a whole lot of smoke,

fire,not so much!!

canopfor on May 28, 2010 at 4:32 PM

600 phone calls for an active campaign seems reasonable, including working late at night.

rob verdi on May 28, 2010 at 4:29 PM

My daughter’s top that in a month (each)… and don’t make me post their texting stats.

mankai on May 28, 2010 at 4:32 PM

600 phone calls for an active campaign seems reasonable, including working late at night.

rob verdi on May 28, 2010 at 4:29 PM

I can see having to make late night calls for a national level campaign….but she’s a State Senator…come on. Do you really need to make a 2 a.m. call to run a state senate campaign? I don’t think so.

terryannonline on May 28, 2010 at 4:33 PM

I will believe Nikki Haley until there is actual PROOF of her having an affair with this ugly, arrogant, bald-headed chicken buggerer…

Fuzzlenutter on May 28, 2010 at 4:28 PM

After Bitter Douche Levi and all media attack rumors on Palin ( divorse! the shoe gonna drop! ) , me too wants to see real proof.

the_nile on May 28, 2010 at 4:33 PM

No offense, AllahP, but I find it incredible that you are accusing Erick Erickson while you have been hanging on his every word for days.

I haven’t been “hanging on it for days.” I wrote precisely one post about it — yesterday. And when drop explosive charges like “WILL FOLKS IS BEING PAID TO DO THIS AND WE’RE GOING TO TELL ALL,” I assume that they *will* in fact attempt to tell all.

If your point is that I shouldn’t have given EE, specifically, that benefit of the doubt, well, fair enough.

Allahpundit on May 28, 2010 at 4:33 PM

Ericson has just stepped on his own d**k,

Archimedes on May 28, 2010 at 4:31 PM

Archimedes: FREAGGIN OUCH,haha!!:)

canopfor on May 28, 2010 at 4:33 PM

I’d still ‘hit’ it…

Seven Percent Solution on May 28, 2010 at 4:34 PM

Less easily explained: Why some of the calls came late at night, including one at 2:24 a.m. that ran for more than two hours. Gonna be a hell of a debate on Tuesday!

It would be interesting to see her phone records. Politicians working at 3 AM is nothing new. You can often find operatives on Twitter still sending out Tweets at that hour in the middle of working.

And are we sure it wasn’t a conference call-style call rather that a one-on-one call?

amerpundit on May 28, 2010 at 4:34 PM

If your point is that I shouldn’t have given EE, specifically, that benefit of the doubt, well, fair enough.

Allahpundit on May 28, 2010 at 4:33 PM

I assume you won’t in the future. I doubt many people will. He really hurt himself here.

Esthier on May 28, 2010 at 4:35 PM

I can see having to make late night calls for a national level campaign….but she’s a State Senator…come on. Do you really need to make a 2 a.m. call to run a state senate campaign? I don’t think so.

terryannonline on May 28, 2010 at 4:33 PM

You haven’t been around alot of people with OCD have you?

Rocks on May 28, 2010 at 4:35 PM

600 phone calls for an active campaign seems reasonable, including working late at night.

Here’s the deal… as someone at FITSNews said in the comments, Haley beat an incumbent in 2004… faced nobody in 2006, and faced only token opposition from someone who only spent like ~$2,500 on his campaign who she beat something like 87%-13%… if there was any “campaign” it might be this link below… which kind of fits with the timeline… but that even iffy too…

http://www.free-times.com/index.php?cat=1992912064227409&ShowArticle_ID=11462201080760466

ninjapirate on May 28, 2010 at 4:35 PM

Today’s RedState post on the subject is very much a letdown after yesterday’s teaser.

The whole situation reminds me of a column written sometime during the 1980s, I think, by Meg Greenfield of Newsweek. She mused that we would know women politicians have really arrived when one of them is caught in a sensational sex scandal. For a lot of reasons I sincerely hope that is not the case with Haley. We’ll have to wait and see what the truth actually is.

jwolf on May 28, 2010 at 4:35 PM

It would be interesting to see her phone records. Politicians working at 3 AM is nothing new. You can often find operatives on Twitter still sending out Tweets at that hour in the middle of working.

For a state senator? Uh, I don’t think so.

terryannonline on May 28, 2010 at 4:35 PM

I’ve never understood the affection that some have for Red State.

Kensington on May 28, 2010 at 4:35 PM

Now Haley says she will not deal with the allegations until “after the election.”

Huh?

I don’t know if she means the primary or the general election. Either way, this response hardly builds confidence.

And Tim Pearson, Haley’s campaign manager, has acknowledged that the text messages are genuine. One of those messages was: “I’m telling you man, we keep this under wraps and nh is going to win.”

Not looking good for Haley.

sauropod on May 28, 2010 at 4:36 PM

If your point is that I shouldn’t have given EE, specifically, that benefit of the doubt, well, fair enough.

Allahpundit on May 28, 2010 at 4:33 PM

I guess I don’t know enough about EE to know why you wouldn’t. I believed he had the goods, too. Then again, I’m still slightly more naive than you, AP. I’m working on it.

shibumiglass on May 28, 2010 at 4:36 PM

Ugh,AP is just the messenger,jus sayin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

canopfor on May 28, 2010 at 4:37 PM

And are we sure it wasn’t a conference call-style call rather that a one-on-one call?

Not sure, but a two-hour conference call … at 2:30 a.m.? I can understand that in the context of a tough gubernatorial race where it’s down to the wire and all hands are on deck, but as far as I know, she wasn’t even campaigning for something at the time. SC House elections are held in even-numbered years. That call was in August 2007.

Allahpundit on May 28, 2010 at 4:38 PM

I haven’t been “hanging on it for days.” I wrote precisely one post about it — yesterday. And when drop explosive charges like “WILL FOLKS IS BEING PAID TO DO THIS AND WE’RE GOING TO TELL ALL,” I assume that they *will* in fact attempt to tell all.

If your point is that I shouldn’t have given EE, specifically, that benefit of the doubt, well, fair enough.

Allahpundit on May 28, 2010 at 4:33 PM

No, honey, my point is that you’ve written at least five posts on the subject (easy to check the archives) of Nikki Haley and you have no more information now than you did when you atarted. You have been hanging on it for days — what the hell are you talking about??

DaydreamBeliever on May 28, 2010 at 4:38 PM

Speaking of which, the media’s sifted through Folks’s phone records and found 600 calls between him and Haley in 2007. The obvious explanation: He was working for her at the time. Less easily explained: Why some of the calls came late at night, including one at 2:24 a.m. that ran for more than two hours

This is what people are saying is horse hoofbeats? That a politician talked to a political operative who worked for them 600 times and sometimes late at night?

katiejane on May 28, 2010 at 4:39 PM

Earlier this week I was on the phone with a buddy for a couple of hours in the middle of the night.

We’re not having an affair; we’re just night owls.

Kensington on May 28, 2010 at 4:40 PM

Now Haley says she will not deal with the allegations until “after the election.”

sauropod on May 28, 2010 at 4:36 PM

No, she’s categorically denied it, twice. She said she wouldn’t discuss it till after but she has denied the affair.
If I was her manager I would not her say a word about it till Folks came up with some actual proof.

Rocks on May 28, 2010 at 4:40 PM

Speaking of which, the media’s sifted through Folks’s phone records and found 600 calls between him and Haley in 2007. The obvious explanation: He was working for her at the time. Less easily explained: Why some of the calls came late at night, including one at 2:24 a.m. that ran for more than two hours. Gonna be a hell of a debate on Tuesday!

I believe Folks only got paid slightly more than $4000 over those two years by Haley as well. That’s an aweful lot of work to do for what, $1.20 per hour?

Zetterson on May 28, 2010 at 4:40 PM

For a state senator? Uh, I don’t think so.

I think she may have had another job besides state senator though…

http://www.wltx.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=86769

She may have owned another business too… but I’m not sure about that…

ninjapirate on May 28, 2010 at 4:40 PM

I can understand that in the context of a tough gubernatorial race where it’s down to the wire and all hands are on deck, but as far as I know, she wasn’t even campaigning for something at the time. SC House elections are held in even-numbered years

Oy. Shady, shady, shady.

terryannonline on May 28, 2010 at 4:40 PM

Got a problem with skepticism?

Allahpundit on May 28, 2010 at 4:27 PM

Nope. That’s why I called it healthy and that’s why I love this site.

John the Libertarian on May 28, 2010 at 4:41 PM

Allahpundit on May 28, 2010 at 4:38 PM

Is it possible there was some minor scandal at the time or some project or bill she was working on?

Esthier on May 28, 2010 at 4:41 PM

Got a problem with skepticism?

Allahpundit on May 28, 2010 at 4:27 PM

He stated “healthy”, take some time off Allah, you have been working too hard.

Here

right2bright on May 28, 2010 at 4:41 PM

Then again, I’m still slightly more naive than you, AP. I’m working on it.

shibumiglass on May 28, 2010 at 4:36 PM

Multiple house cats will cure you in no time.

TexasDan on May 28, 2010 at 4:42 PM

She may have owned another business too… but I’m not sure about that…

ninjapirate on May 28, 2010 at 4:40 PM

Who needs business advice at 2:30 in the morning. She’s also a mother…if it was just business…..wouldn’t she want to get business/political advice at a more reasonable hour? Like say 8 a.m.?

terryannonline on May 28, 2010 at 4:43 PM

I can understand that in the context of a tough gubernatorial race where it’s down to the wire and all hands are on deck, but as far as I know, she wasn’t even campaigning for something at the time. SC House elections are held in even-numbered years. That call was in August 2007.

Allahpundit on May 28, 2010 at 4:38 PM

And the only possible issue or campaign they could be discussing is her own? Neither Haley nor Folks worked on others’ campaigns at the time? Even national campaigns? Does politics ever really stop?

Rocks on May 28, 2010 at 4:44 PM

Erick does a lot of good in getting candidates names out there early and generating some early momentum for people. Erick also takes his advocacy so far at times, that he loses credibility. This appears to be the most recent example. Calls for Fiorina to drop out are another. Redstate (and other sites) certainly pulled some votes away from Bill Brady and towards Andy Andrzejewski with their rose colored reading of some polling data, which nearly got Illinois the worst possible candidate in the primary. Dodged a bullet there. Erickson did have the Sanford thing blow up on him a bit.

Not that Erickson is a bad guy, and I am certain overall he is a net positive, but he does pull too many stunts like this for my liking. Don’t bring up the story again and again if you don’t have the goods. Bauer probably is involved, that doesn’t seem like a revelation to me.

I may not always agree with the guys here at hotair, but I think I’m getting their honest assessments. Redstate is kinda the online equivalent of Hannity to me.

stldave on May 28, 2010 at 4:44 PM

For a state senator? Uh, I don’t think so.

terryannonline on May 28, 2010 at 4:35 PM

If the legislature is debating something particularly contentious, sure. And let’s keep in mind just how rare that call was.

The vast majority of the calls between Folks and Haley took place between 8 a.m. and 8 p.m., fairly normal business hours for political operators in Columbia.

The amount of time the two talked built throughout the year. In January, they talked about 20 times, and only one conversation lasted longer than an hour. In February, they shared 60 calls. By December, the average had dropped to barely a dozen calls for the month.

The first post-midnight call came July 9, when they spoke for 77 minutes. The two shared about 10 calls in July and August that each lasted longer than an hour after about 10 p.m.

Ten calls over two months — an average of 1.25 calls per week — after 10 pm. Not unheard of.

amerpundit on May 28, 2010 at 4:45 PM

I just hope nobody peruses my phone records in the future. I’ve personally been on the phone for work at pretty much any hour of the day or night, and I’m not exactly a political figure.

Haley may well have had an affair… but so far all we have are lurid accusations with no proof.

“Phone records” to a consultant in her employ at the time are very weak tea.

cs89 on May 28, 2010 at 4:45 PM

Man they can write a soap opera on South Carolina politics. Unbelievable.

terryannonline on May 28, 2010 at 4:46 PM

Mr. Folks’s “proof” to date is almost as weak as Mr. Erickson’s proof of payment. And what is an inappropriate physical relationship anyway? I would like to think the Rep. Haley isn’t fibbing and I will agree there is no proof but politicians aren’t known for their straight shooting.

Cindy Munford on May 28, 2010 at 4:46 PM

Kensington on May 28, 2010 at 4:35 PM

It was one of the first blogs I ever visited, but it ended up having a weird vibe. Still, I hate to see a credibility loss like this, and expect RS will become a byword for it.

James OK on May 28, 2010 at 4:46 PM

Who needs business advice at 2:30 in the morning.

Um, a business would take up her time wouldn’t it? This isn’t about “business advice”… this is about time…

She’s also a mother…if it was just business…..wouldn’t she want to get business/political advice at a more reasonable hour?

Working overnight might give her more time with her kids…

ninjapirate on May 28, 2010 at 4:46 PM

If your point is that I shouldn’t have given EE, specifically, that benefit of the doubt, well, fair enough.

Allahpundit on May 28, 2010 at 4:33 PM

If you did give Erickson the benefit of the doubt before, I’m sure you won’t again.

Erickson played us all for fools. He has ZERO credibility now.

portlandon on May 28, 2010 at 4:46 PM

No, honey, my point is that you’ve written at least five posts on the subject (easy to check the archives) of Nikki Haley and you have no more information now than you did when you atarted. You have been hanging on it for days — what the hell are you talking about??

DaydreamBeliever on May 28, 2010 at 4:38 PM

There’s been plenty of information on this, and since it’s a news story, there’s no reason not to cover it.

If I was her manager I would not her say a word about it till Folks came up with some actual proof.

Rocks on May 28, 2010 at 4:40 PM

Not me. I’d find out what kind of proof is out there (like what the photo shows) and then see if it’s worth the risk of waiting to tell the truth if there’s something to tell.

If there’s nothing to tell, and she’s being honest, coming out and denying it seems like a good thing. Following that up with a possible motivation for Folks would also seem like a good idea.

Esthier on May 28, 2010 at 4:47 PM

For a state senator? Uh, I don’t think so.

terryannonline on May 28, 2010 at 4:35 PM

Mine stay up all the time. LOL I guess you don’t keep up with your senators.

upinak on May 28, 2010 at 4:47 PM

The late night phone calls could be seen as suspicious, but that’s still not a smoking gun. Until Folks can produce some real evidence, it’s his word against hers and his credibility is about as high as….well, Erick Ericson’s.

Doughboy on May 28, 2010 at 4:47 PM

I’m not saying there’s no possibility of something wrong. Just that conclusions shouldn’t be jumped to because a politician was on the phone late at night with a political aide.

amerpundit on May 28, 2010 at 4:47 PM

It would be interesting to see her phone records. Politicians working at 3 AM is nothing new. You can often find operatives on Twitter still sending out Tweets at that hour in the middle of working.

And are we sure it wasn’t a conference call-style call rather that a one-on-one call?

amerpundit on May 28, 2010 at 4:34 PM

–We’d also need the GPS coordinates to determine if if was a one-on-one thing.

Jimbo3 on May 28, 2010 at 4:48 PM

He has ZERO credibility now.

portlandon on May 28, 2010 at 4:46 PM

a man with a conservative site who has mostly liberal posting on it?

He never had any credibility.

upinak on May 28, 2010 at 4:48 PM

Mine stay up all the time. LOL I guess you don’t keep up with your senators.

upinak on May 28, 2010 at 4:47 PM

You’ve called your state senator at 2:30 a.m. before?

terryannonline on May 28, 2010 at 4:49 PM

I still think Folks is a lying dirtbag.

ted c on May 28, 2010 at 4:49 PM

And what is an inappropriate physical relationship anyway? I would like to think the Rep. Haley isn’t fibbing and I will agree there is no proof but politicians aren’t known for their straight shooting.

Cindy Munford on May 28, 2010 at 4:46 PM

It does seem Clintonian in its potential for weaselness, doesn’t it? I mean, the reporter and the PR guy in the “Don’t Touch Me” video also had an inappropriate physical relationship.

Kensington on May 28, 2010 at 4:49 PM

So, two possibilities. One: This was supposed to be some grand satire of Folks’s M.O… theory two: Erickson was promised hard evidence by one of his sources about Folks getting paid and the source flaked out on him at the last minute, hanging him out to dry.

There’s always theory three: Erickson never had anything on Folks and never had a real plan. He was dumb enough to think he could stick it to the media by taunting them and then showing them to be hypocrites when they don’t take the bait. Which is stupid because now that he has nothing to show for it, the media can simply say there was nothing for them to investigate.

Caiwyn on May 28, 2010 at 4:50 PM

You’ve called your state senator at 2:30 a.m. before?

terryannonline on May 28, 2010 at 4:49 PM

I went to a bar before the session started and saw Lisa Murkowski having a drink with her husband.

I have also been to resturants open 24 hours and have seen MY State legislatures at them at 4 AM.

*rolls eyes* give me a break and stop speculating.

upinak on May 28, 2010 at 4:50 PM

I said it on the other thread, but I’ll say it again- Erickson is a joke. He promised the goods and delivered…a lame theory.

I just don’t get this whole thing. Those phone records don’t look good, imo, but why would she continue to deny if it were true? She has to know that would be incredibly dumb…right?

changer1701 on May 28, 2010 at 4:51 PM

EE got way too ‘meta’ with this…and hurt his credibility a bit.

AUINSC on May 28, 2010 at 4:51 PM

And the only possible issue or campaign they could be discussing is her own? Neither Haley nor Folks worked on others’ campaigns at the time?

They could have been discussing anything. They could have been discussing baseball. Any political operatives reading this care to weigh in on how many casual chats they’ve had with their bosses at 2:30 a.m. for hours on end about other politicians and campaigns?

Allahpundit on May 28, 2010 at 4:51 PM

I’d still ‘hit’ it…

Seven Percent Solution on May 28, 2010 at 4:34 PM

Seven Percent Solution: Your Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad!:)

canopfor on May 28, 2010 at 4:52 PM

AP, you and the (other) asshat at Red State are turning this ‘story’ into some sort of National Enquirer super expose.

When either of you get any hard facts which can be independently substantiated, by all means let us know.

In the meantime, please spare us your breathless, hyped-up innuendos (“on the one hand it could be true; on the other, maybe not”.) A person’s reputation is on the line here, consequently, this is not the time to engage in prurient speculation. Either go out and dig up the facts yourself, or wait for the facts to come to you, and then report objectively on those facts.

alwyr on May 28, 2010 at 4:52 PM

Who needs business advice at 2:30 in the morning. She’s also a mother…if it was just business…..wouldn’t she want to get business/political advice at a more reasonable hour? Like say 8 a.m.?

terryannonline on May 28, 2010 at 4:43 PM

Some people are just night people and are able to think more clearly in the middle of the night than at 8am. This is certainly odd, but I wouldn’t call it outright proof of much of anything.

Now, if it turns out her husband didn’t know about these calls, then that jumps it up a bit. It might still not mean she was physically unfaithful, but it might point to her being emotionally unfaithful, which was brought up in the headlines thread as a possibility.

Esthier on May 28, 2010 at 4:52 PM

“No, she’s categorically denied it, twice. She said she wouldn’t discuss it till after but she has denied the affair.”

I’m afraid categorical denials aren’t going to get it done. Folks is dribbling out details one day at a time. He probably intends to do this all the way up to the primary … and after, if Haley is the nominee.

sauropod on May 28, 2010 at 4:53 PM

wonder how many women would look at a picture of Folks and say, “Affair with him? Not even if he was the last man on earth.”

Wethal on May 28, 2010 at 4:27 PM

>Raises hand!

scalleywag on May 28, 2010 at 4:53 PM

They could have been discussing anything. They could have been discussing baseball. Any political operatives reading this care to weigh in on how many casual chats they’ve had with their bosses at 2:30 a.m. for hours on end about other politicians and campaigns?

Allahpundit on May 28, 2010 at 4:51 PM

I know you try to be cautious before jumping into any conclusions. But don’t think a 2:30 a.m. call seems extremely shady?

terryannonline on May 28, 2010 at 4:54 PM

Some people are just night people and are able to think more clearly in the middle of the night than at 8am. This is certainly odd, but I wouldn’t call it outright proof of much of anything.

No admit it is not de facto proof of anything. But I do think it is shady.

terryannonline on May 28, 2010 at 4:55 PM

Allahpundit on May 28, 2010 at 4:51 PM

Just reserve some of that skepticism for the presumption that late night phone calls prove sex, because they don’t, necessarily.

People are weird, and sometimes they have long phone conversations in the middle of the night for reasons other than affirming sexual relations.

Seriously, is this really a stretch beyond limits? Am I that out of touch?

Kensington on May 28, 2010 at 4:56 PM

I can see having to make late night calls for a national level campaign….but she’s a State Senator…come on. Do you really need to make a 2 a.m. call to run a state senate campaign? I don’t think so.

terryannonline on May 28, 2010 at 4:33 PM

You obviously are not familiar with running campaigns, in fact this number looks so decidedly tepid I’d question the woman’s committment to win. I have worked on several campaigns over the last 30yrs, once on board the team I cannot ever remeber getting more than 3hrs of sleep in a night, often less. So phone calls, emails, actual jumping in cars for face2faces after 2AM, are standard fare for any campaign that has the moxy to win.

Archimedes on May 28, 2010 at 4:56 PM

–We’d also need the GPS coordinates to determine if if was a one-on-one thing.

Jimbo3 on May 28, 2010 at 4:48 PM

Seriously? It wouldn’t be on the phone records or something?

Esthier on May 28, 2010 at 4:57 PM

They could have been discussing anything.

Allahpundit on May 28, 2010 at 4:51 PM

Then there is the possibility of a non-physical/emotional affair. They could have been talking the talk and not walking the walk.

John the Libertarian on May 28, 2010 at 4:57 PM

They could have been discussing anything. They could have been discussing baseball. Any political operatives reading this care to weigh in on how many casual chats they’ve had with their bosses at 2:30 a.m. for hours on end about other politicians and campaigns?

Allahpundit on May 28, 2010 at 4:51 PM

Why does it have to be casual?

Rocks on May 28, 2010 at 4:57 PM

wonder how many women would look at a picture of Folks and say, “Affair with him? Not even if he was the last man on earth.”

Wethal on May 28, 2010 at 4:27 PM

The better question is what woman wouldn’t say that?

DaydreamBeliever on May 28, 2010 at 4:58 PM

You obviously are not familiar with running campaigns, in fact this number looks so decidedly tepid I’d question the woman’s committment to win. I have worked on several campaigns over the last 30yrs, once on board the team I cannot ever remeber getting more than 3hrs of sleep in a night, often less. So phone calls, emails, actual jumping in cars for face2faces after 2AM, are standard fare for any campaign that has the moxy to win.

Archimedes on May 28, 2010 at 4:56 PM

I didn’t know state senate campaign were that tough. Where I live they get little local media attention.

terryannonline on May 28, 2010 at 4:59 PM

You obviously are not familiar with running campaigns

But she wasn’t running a campaign at the time. It was an off-year.

Allahpundit on May 28, 2010 at 4:59 PM

I’m afraid categorical denials aren’t going to get it done. Folks is dribbling out details one day at a time. He probably intends to do this all the way up to the primary … and after, if Haley is the nominee.

sauropod on May 28, 2010 at 4:53 PM

And the way he’s doing it seems odd to me for someone who supposedly has completely proof. The things he’s releasing are only half the story. He’s released specific texts, only the phone records, not the calls themselves, and he mentions a picture but doesn’t say what it is.

This just seems like something someone would if trying to make a scandal like this up without better proof.

No admit it is not de facto proof of anything. But I do think it is shady.

terryannonline on May 28, 2010 at 4:55 PM

It’s definitely potentially shady. If this is uncommon for her, then it’s even more so. Just seems odd that he’s yet to release anything concrete. What’s he waiting for?

Esthier on May 28, 2010 at 4:59 PM

Well, I’ve never worked in politics but I can’t imagine ever calling my boss for any reason whatsoever outside of work. What could be that pressing, especially at 2:30am?

scalleywag on May 28, 2010 at 5:00 PM

Ericson has just stepped on his own d**k, any pretense that his was a legitimate ‘news’ source just went fling out the door. There is enough real dirt on the progressive Dhims that the right cannot to engage in bullsh*t like this. I Hope Ericson has the dignity and class to go down with the USS RedState, I.AM.NOT.HOLDINGMY BREATH.

Archimedes on May 28, 2010 at 4:31 PM

Awesome takedown.

I think this could be good for Erick if it blows up in his face the way it might: I think a lot of my complaints about RedState can be directly traced to his overinflated ego. Example: can you think of ANY other major right-leaning blog that not only regularly endorses candidates, but does so months before the primaries and feels the need to weigh in on almost EVERY race? I can’t, and that’s because more experienced (read: older) players in politics know that you don’t attach your reputation to specific politicians, especially in local elections where YOU DON’T LIVE AND WORK.

The fact alone that Erick jumped out there to defend Sanford when that story broke should have taught him some humility and taught us to be wary of his judgment. This really is the last straw for me, though. I want Erick out of my local elections…. he does more harm than good.

Animator Girl on May 28, 2010 at 5:00 PM

Well, I’ve never worked in politics but I can’t imagine ever calling my boss for any reason whatsoever outside of work. What could be that pressing, especially at 2:30am?

scalleywag on May 28, 2010 at 5:00 PM

Exactly.

terryannonline on May 28, 2010 at 5:02 PM

Then there is the possibility of a non-physical/emotional affair. They could have been talking the talk and not walking the walk.

John the Libertarian on May 28, 2010 at 4:57 PM

That would explain quite a bit, but if that’s the case, it’ll probably be hard to prove she never had a physical affair.

Esthier on May 28, 2010 at 5:02 PM

Allahpundit on May 28, 2010 at 4:27 PM

My take is that John is not from the NYC metropolitan area, and therefore, was being sincere not snarky.

Al in St. Lou on May 28, 2010 at 5:02 PM

Well, I’ve never worked in politics but I can’t imagine ever calling my boss for any reason whatsoever outside of work. What could be that pressing, especially at 2:30am?

scalleywag on May 28, 2010 at 5:00 PM

I haven’t worked in politics, either, but I have worked several office jobs that required me to be in touch with my boss at ungodly hours of the night. It does happen, although I’ll wait to hear the explanation for this particular call.

Animator Girl on May 28, 2010 at 5:03 PM

Just about EVERY Hollywood movie about poltics has scenes where the candidate, or their advisors, are on the phone at all hours of the night strategizing and whatnot. Now I supposed to think it odd that they spoke late at night? Phooey!

I just cannot believe how worked up people are over this as there has been no proof except for the claims of somebody vying for Douche of the Year. Wake me when there is some actual proof of something.

This is ridiculous and Ace, Hot Air and everyone else have fallen for it and they are having their brands tarnished because of it. Is there something there? As far as I can tell – not yet. Could there be? Perhaps but are we all to get excited about What Ifs now?

Hurricanes on May 28, 2010 at 5:05 PM

This reminds me of the time when Hot Air and Malkin immediately rushed to condemn James O’Keefe. Two days later, the whole story fell apart.

Narutoboy on May 28, 2010 at 5:06 PM

Why would late night phone calls that last a LONG time be indicative of an affair? Wouldn’t phone calls that last hours be very suspicious unless there was a legitimate reason? Wouldn’t two lovers prefer to talk in person away from people possibly overhearing? It makes no sense in the context of an affair at least in the physical sense.

I always heard that short but frequent phone calls were signs of an affair.

“Who was that honey?”
“Just a wrong number, go back to bed. Oh and I have to go to the store to get some milk, I’ll be back in a few hours. Don’t wait up!”

Kronos on May 28, 2010 at 5:06 PM

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