Democrats looking for payback in tax extenders

posted at 8:48 am on May 27, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

The Constitution has a prohibition against passing bills of attainder, but that doesn’t keep Congress from looking for some payback when it can get away with it.  The Wall Street Journal takes a look at the “tax extender” bill under consideration now and sees a desire for some class warfare that should have played itself out after last year’s AIG “rich hunt” blew up in Chris Dodd’s face.  With the economy staggering to its feet after more than two years, the bill declares war on the investor class and kills any incentive to take risks with capital:

In the 1999 movie “Payback,” Mel Gibson plays a small-time hood who ruthlessly takes on the mob to reclaim $70,000. At one point, he casually shoots holes in the luggage and suits of a high-living mobster played by James Coburn, who says, “Man, that’s just mean.”

That’s the attitude Democrats are taking to American capital markets, as they work to impose the most punitive tax rates on investment income in recent American history.  We’ve already reported that tax writers Sander Levin and Max Baucus plan to raise the tax rate on most “carried interest” income from 15% today to roughly 35% next year, and to about 38% in 2013. But it turns out that, like Mel Gibson, they also want to shoot holes in their victims’ suits.

In a little-understood provision, the Levin-Baucus bill would impose a new “enterprise value” tax on the sale of part or all of any investment firm that has ever earned even $1 of carried interest income. So instead of paying the capital gains tax rate on the sale of such shares, the owners would have to pay ordinary income tax on the proceeds of the sale. This means that owners in private equity firms or real-estate trusts would be taxed twice at a rate approaching 40%—first at the time the money is earned and again at the time of the asset sale. The combined tax rate would therefore rise well above 50%.

The Democratic justification for this punitive provision seems to be that firms like the Blackstone Group paid lower tax rates than they should have, so now it’s payback time. You’d think these firms have been doing something illegal, as opposed to paying tax rates under the 15% rate that Congress itself passed. But now in their scramble to pay for their runaway spending, Democrats want to punish people who played by Congress’s rules even if they earned only token amounts of carried interest.

Democrats have tried making the argument that equity-fund managers somehow got off the hook for paying income tax by realizing most of their compensation as capital gains.  Most of their income has been capital gains, though, and these fund managers paid the tax rate set by Congress on them.  They didn’t create a tax loophole or dodge the IRS (as some other notable Democrats have done), but followed the law.  These fund managers pay regular income tax on their management fees, and capital gains taxes on their “carry income,” which is the return on their own capital investment in the funds.

Members of Congress want to paint them as greedy fat cats who don’t pay their fair share, but we have always taxed capital gains at a lower rate for a reason.  Capital investment carries a lot more risk than earning a salary or hourly wage, or more to the point, earning interest income from savings and bonds.  We need people putting capital to use in order to keep our economy expanding by taking risks — but if the tax system treats income from risk the same as income from safer decisions, fewer people will take risks and the economy will not expand.

In fact, that’s what is happening now, thanks to signals like this tax expander bill that tell investors to keep their money on the sidelines.  Why take a risk that could lose capital if one has to pay the same rate on the uncertain return, when one can shelter the capital and pay the same rate?  The Obama administration is already hiking the capital gains tax to 20%, up from 15%, and now they’re looking for ways to eliminate the distinction altogether.

Democrats in Congress are desperate to do two things: find more money for their expensive nanny-state programs, and be seen as punishing capitalists.  Neither of these are good policy directions, and both will wind up strangling any recovery we have.

Fortunately, it looks as though the bill won’t get 60 votes in the Senate, because key Democrats are already expressing reservations.  Dick Durbin, for instance, is reportedly “seething” because the bill screws up a highway-funding formula that impacts Illinois, according to Congress Daily.  Evan Bayh, Ben Nelson, and Kent Conrad have “expressed concerns,” according to Congressional Quarterly.  Robert Menendez is flat-out opposed, according to the Huffington Post, worried that businesses will lose access to capital.  The tax-extenders bill looks like yet another overreach from the hard Left of the Democratic Party.

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But it turns out that, like Mel Gibson, they also want to shoot holes in their victims’ suits. all the JOOOOS!!

FIFY../S

Caper29 on May 27, 2010 at 8:51 AM

Who knew that electing animals in human skin would lead to such destruction.

Bishop on May 27, 2010 at 8:51 AM

Absolutely worthless, corrupt and incompetent Democrats drove our economy off of a cliff months ago and we’ll only realize it when we hit the bottom.

‘Til then, look at the pretty scenary!

NoDonkey on May 27, 2010 at 8:52 AM

In the 1999 movie “Payback,” Mel Gibson plays a small-time hood who ruthlessly takes on the mob to reclaim $70,000. At one point, he casually shoots holes in the luggage and suits of a high-living mobster played by James Coburn, who says, “Man, that’s just mean.”

“70,000?! Hell, my suits are worth more than that!”

Doughboy on May 27, 2010 at 8:55 AM

I’d compare them to slugs and dung-beetles, but that is insulting to some creatures who at least have a useful purpose.

indypat on May 27, 2010 at 8:56 AM

Who is John Galt?
Where is John Galt?
Does anyone have directions to the gulch?

Disturb the Universe on May 27, 2010 at 8:57 AM

This is just one glaring example of how we MUST scrap the current tax code. It needs to be completely dumped in favor of either the one-rate flat tax, or the Fair Tax. (I go back and forth on which I prefer.)

It makes me so angry when these jerks wield the tax system as a weapon against one in favor of another. And yes, both sides do that. Time to take that weapon from them once and for all.

JamesLee on May 27, 2010 at 8:57 AM

This means that owners in private equity firms or real-estate trusts would be taxed twice at a rate approaching 40%—first at the time the money is earned and again at the time of the asset sale.

Another instance of Congress pushing unconstitutional double-taxation. It is time to burn the tax code.

Democrats in Congress are desperate to do two things: find more money for their expensive nanny-state programs, and be seen as punishing capitalists. Neither of these are good policy directions, and both will wind up strangling any recovery we have.

There will never be enough money for all of their nanny-state programs. They are never satisfied! They don’t have a cash flow problem; they have a spending problem!

*facepalm!* It is really hard to believe there can be this many stupid people at the higher echelons of government.

NoLeftTurn on May 27, 2010 at 8:57 AM

2008 was a really bad time for taxers and regulators to take office. Not much blood in the stone and the greatest porkgasm in history got all the wimps animated about the debt.

A guy im my group sent the AZ Gov a shot at billions of revevue. Wonder if she wii even see it.

IlikedAUH2O on May 27, 2010 at 8:58 AM

The Obama administration is already hiking the capital gains tax to 20%, up from 15%, and now they’re looking for ways to eliminate the distinction altogether.

Many (of us) will be largely cashing out of equities by year’s end. Should be interesting.

petefrt on May 27, 2010 at 9:00 AM

NO MORE BAILOUTS!!

SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT!

canopfor on May 27, 2010 at 9:10 AM

I had a dream last night that it was November, the country was not yet destroyed and the Democrats lost every race they were in.

Then I woke up to the living nightmare.

fogw on May 27, 2010 at 9:11 AM

A lot a people are going to find out that they, too, are part of the dirty, rotten, filthy “rich” in 2011 with new, hidden tax increases and the elimination of many, if not all, of the Bush tax breaks.

BowHuntingTexas on May 27, 2010 at 9:13 AM

The Dems should get rid of the jackass and change their logo to the Jolly Roger. They’re nothing but a bunch of pirates.

Buy Danish on May 27, 2010 at 9:16 AM

Hey amybe Mel could come shoot some holes in that “Suit Wearing Bag” in the House….Then we could hear Harry say “Hey that’s just mean”.

rich801 on May 27, 2010 at 9:17 AM

Foreign equity markets are going to love this. Hear that sound? It’s private capital flying out of the USA.

What the donks have done to manufacturing with regulations they are hell bent on doing to financial companies.

jukin on May 27, 2010 at 9:20 AM

rich801 on May 27, 2010 at 9:17 AM

Uhhh…..what?

Bishop on May 27, 2010 at 9:26 AM

The Dems should get rid of the jackass and change their logo to the Jolly Roger. They’re nothing but a bunch of pirates.

Buy Danish on May 27, 2010 at 9:16 AM

Buy Danish:Oh gawd,ya give me visions dance’n in my head,
yup,I see a Jolly Rogers Flag stuck in a jack
*ss’s rearend doin a fancy Unicorn strutt,haha!:)

canopfor on May 27, 2010 at 9:26 AM

rich801 on May 27, 2010 at 9:17 AM
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Uhhh…..what?

Bishop on May 27, 2010 at 9:26 AM

Bishop: Happyfeet was speaking the same language,umm
I think,I’ll park near the curb,and watch how
this goes,ahem!!:)

canopfor on May 27, 2010 at 9:29 AM

canopfor on May 27, 2010 at 9:26 AM

Don’t forget the rainbow, and the pot of taxpayer’s gold.

Buy Danish on May 27, 2010 at 9:30 AM

canopfor on May 27, 2010 at 9:26 AM
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Don’t forget the rainbow, and the pot of taxpayer’s gold.

Buy Danish on May 27, 2010 at 9:30 AM

Buy Danish: Ya,and the little leprechaun dolled up,in a
purple SEIU shirt!!:)

canopfor on May 27, 2010 at 9:36 AM

Capital investment carries a lot more risk than earning a salary or hourly wage, or more to the point, earning interest income from savings and bonds.

I suppose that by taking over entire sectors of the economy and creating the prospect of the government picking all the winners and losers, Obama’s administration is eliminating these investor risks, thereby justifying the leveling of the income-tax-rate playing field. The only variable then will be who has hired the most effective lobbyist to persuade the political class to favor this or that corporation or industry.

Do all you liberals and progressives who visit this blog understand the trainwreck you’re hoping for?

How can 40% or more of this country still stand by cheering these people on? I really don’t get it? Leftist Democrats should be banished from political existence by at least a 75% to 25% vote in all but the most liberal areas and by a 95% to 5% vote in the conservative areas.

BuckeyeSam on May 27, 2010 at 9:38 AM

With every passing day, the document written 234 years ago that itemized the complaints against King George can be edited only slightly and be used as an equally ringing indictment against the Democratic Party.

The Democratic Party has proven itself unworthy of representing the people of the United States and deserves nothing less than utter destruction and removal from power forever. Many of the operatives in power now deserve nothing less than prosecution, conviction and prison for what they have knowingly done.

And my opinion of the Republican Party is not much higher.

Over the next two elections (provided they actually occur) we must commit ourselves not only to removing the great and vast majority of the 535 in Congress as well the sad excuse for a president, but all of the underlying staff on Capitol Hill. Further, we must commit ourselves to dismantling this leviathan. Whole departments need to be completely shut down. Education and Commerce come to mind almost immediately. Others need to be neutered, such as the EPA and the IRS. We need not only to scrap the tax code in favor of one that is fair and equitable to all citizens regardless of income and/or wealth (all need to share in the burden) but we need to reduce drastically the amount spent by government. 100% sounds good to me, but realistically, we need to spend less every year for a very long time.

Either that or we are through.

turfmann on May 27, 2010 at 9:43 AM

we have always taxed capital gains at a lower rate for a reason.

This is absolutely not true! Ed, you are living in a dream land.

burt on May 27, 2010 at 9:45 AM

If the bill is too far left for Robert Menendez to approve right away, then it really is awful!

flutejpl on May 27, 2010 at 9:46 AM

“These fund managers pay regular income tax on their management fees, and capital gains taxes on their “carry income,” which is the return on their own capital investment in the funds.”

In the interest of factual accuracy, I do not believe that statement is correct. My understanding of carried interest is that it is usually not a return based upon the managers own capital in the fund, it is a return based upon capital belonging to limited partner (ie, outside) investors.

Just as an example, if a firm charges 2 and 20, the 2 refers to their management fee (2% of investors assets under management) and the 20 refers to the carried interest. The investors invest all the money (though that amount might possibly include some managers capital) and the managers invest it. When the fund closes and sells off it’s investments, and the returns are calculated, the managers skim 20% of the investors capital gain (and take none of the loss). Hence the term “carried interest”.

Continuing the example: If a $1 billion fund returns a profit above investment of say 50% (sometimes measured against a risk-free rate) after five years, then the managers will have earned $20 million per year in fees (intended to pay their operating costs), or $100 million over five years, and at closing of the fund the managers also get a check for the carry of $100 million. The investors get their $1 billion back, plus a profit of $400 million.

Still, this is nothing more than a tax on investment activity. When you want less of something, you tax it. Do we really want less job creation, less company formation, and less innovation? Sorry about the length.

MTF on May 27, 2010 at 9:48 AM

This is absolutely not true! Ed, you are living in a dream land.

burt on May 27, 2010 at 9:45 AM

Ed may have been guilty of a generalization. But when was the last time that long-term (and I realize that’s varied over time) capital gains and ordinary income were taxed at the same rate–and without an exclusion applying to some portion of the capital gain?

BuckeyeSam on May 27, 2010 at 9:48 AM

Who is John Galt?
Where is John Galt?
Does anyone have directions to the gulch?

Disturb the Universe on May 27, 2010 at 8:57 AM

Indeed, diections to the gulch. As the economy teeters from the foolish nanny programs both here and in Eutopia that had better one h*ll of a large gulch. As the looters loom in the wings for yet more hand outs as the capitalist engine falls to its knees the Wesley Mouches in DC will seek yet more confiscatory powers we need to start seriously considering where we will go to escape their clutches.

That the looters are in ascendence world wide going abroad is to merely put off thye inevitable. What appears to be needed is a “gulch” from which to make our last stand, for unlike the fantasy in Atlas’ era technology today makes it impossible hunker down in the wilds of colorado. We can run, but we can’t hide, satellites and thermal imaging and the like render this impossible.

So where does that leave us? We until ’12 to establish a course correction, as the administration will seek to neuter our electoral perogitives between here and then, putting a new man at the helm is 50/50 at best. If the ship of state steams onwards toward the shoals, coalescing in area of like-minded souls will be the last option. From my vantage point there are only two possibilties where the population meets this requirment, the northern continental divide and the deep south.

We need to seriously start asking ourselves where we will stand together if we fail to secure our freedom through the ballot box and start now making arrangements for that eventuality. Along the line of Howard Baker’s 5 P’s, prudent steps must be taken before hand.

PROPER PREPARATION PREVENTS POOR PERFOMANCE.

Archimedes on May 27, 2010 at 9:49 AM

we have always taxed capital gains at a lower rate for a reason.

This is absolutely not true! Ed, you are living in a dream land.

burt on May 27, 2010 at 9:45 AM

I’m too impatient to wait for answer from someone who makes a comment like this. I don’t have the time to research the ends of the earth, but this entry from wikipedia confirms what I suspected from my recollection of my courses in income tax in undergrad, law school, and an LL.M. program in estate planning.

Taxpayers have been trying to get income characterized as capital gain, as opposed to ordinary income, almost since the income tax came into existence. According to the Wikipedia entry, the federal tax law begain taxing capital gains in a manner more favorable to taxpayers since the early 1920s. As a result, I doubt that Ed’s remark warranted the comment copied above.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_gains_tax_in_the_United_States

BuckeyeSam on May 27, 2010 at 10:00 AM

This is absolutely not true! Ed, you are living in a dream land.
burt on May 27, 2010 at 9:45 AM

There are few things more annoying than a commenter who makes an assertion but provides zero evidence to buttress their claim.

Buy Danish on May 27, 2010 at 10:14 AM

This is just one glaring example of how we MUST scrap the current tax code. It needs to be completely dumped in favor of either the one-rate flat tax, or the Fair Tax. (I go back and forth on which I prefer.)

JamesLee on May 27, 2010 at 8:57 AM

I used to be a flat-taxer, but then I read that we essentially had a flat tax in 1986, but it got amended a thousand times to get it back to the lunacy we have today. Now I am a fair taxer and I am trying to get my Tea Party behind the Bill of Federalism, which has a Fair Tax as the first of its amendments.

Kafir on May 27, 2010 at 10:17 AM

The next Congress should pass tax changes to claw back the excess wealth Members of Congress have gained from their position.

And the only out should be: repeal the 16th Amendment.

Which would abolish the income tax entirely.

LarryD on May 27, 2010 at 10:18 AM

This carried interest provision also applies to venture capital – the people who take giant risks on completely unknown companies, working 100+ hour weeks on companies that might not pay off ever, or may take 5,7,10 years to pay off. This huge tax increase will kill that industry, and the new companies that they would have built over the next 10 years.
The socialists are guaranteeing themselves future welfare clients; think of this as pre-emptive forced sterilization reproductive choice for new companies.

motionview on May 27, 2010 at 10:20 AM

Leftist Democrats should be banished from political existence by at least a 75% to 25% vote in all but the most liberal areas and by a 95% to 5% vote in the conservative areas.

BuckeyeSam on May 27, 2010 at 9:38 AM

FIFY

RustBelt on May 27, 2010 at 10:24 AM

F**k the market, buy gold!!

abobo on May 27, 2010 at 10:24 AM

Once again libs tax an activity and create less of the activity. They get less revenue on higher taxes and never see it. Meanwhile retirees slip a little more in their quality of life.

Kissmygrits on May 27, 2010 at 10:50 AM

Could it be possible that the Dummycrats in Washington are coming the the realization of just what their far-left members are doing to the economy of this country?

GarandFan on May 27, 2010 at 11:04 AM

remember Blackstone et al backed Obama for POTUS. now they, and we, are reaping the whirlwind

ginaswo on May 27, 2010 at 11:05 AM

burt

I think you are incorrect, cap gains taxes are a tax on investment of capital by definition, capital that creates jobs, we tax it at a lower rate deliberately to grow the economy, or we used to..

the Big Dawg lowered cap gains and revenues went UP, he did that and it Democraticzed markets and millions of regular Americans, like me!, entered the markets as retail investors for the first time

Obama is undoing all of that, once all we retail investors are out, and most of us are already, he can tax the rest at will with little pushback.

ginaswo on May 27, 2010 at 11:08 AM

Timmeh is overseas explaining AGAIN how we Americans will be consuming less. They never tell US that though.

Q1 GDP revision came in DOWN instead of up, from 3.5 to 3%, they are panicking and need their new spendulus infusion ASAP before their Keyensian pipe dreams blow up in public…

ginaswo on May 27, 2010 at 11:11 AM

They don’t just want to be seen as punishing capitalists. They want to punish capitalists (and capitalism) with every bone in their body.

And they intend to do it, too, till capitalism no longer exists.

Whereupon they will pretend it exists, but actually the government will control everything. Isn’t that called fascism?

Alana on May 27, 2010 at 11:26 AM

Venture Beat had a good column on this topic back in 2007 covering what Congress wanted to do, then, with the tax code in the venture capitalist arena. It is particularly interesting what happens when you get one shining star in a bad investment portfolio… under what Congress was considering, then, you could still owe taxes on a portfolio that lost money if it had that one shining star in it. Thus for a portfolio investment you can still end up paying taxes even if the portfolio didn’t make any money as a whole. Fun stuff what these Congresscritters spend their time doing trying to shaft people, isn’t it? And if you don’t think this applies to you, ask yourself if Congress would do this to other funds, say mutual funds… wouldn’t that be splendid?

ajacksonian on May 27, 2010 at 11:30 AM

Madame Nancy and her Congresstitutes must be removed from power. Dirty Las Vegas Harry and his thugs must be removed from power. Zero the Empty Suit WILL be removed from power and we must not let the Stalist Hillary take control.

Nothing is more important than to take our Country back from the invaders from the South, the pillagers in Washington, D.C. and their anti-American enablers in their mansions and marbled halls.

Then, however, who has the strength of will to dismantle Leviathan so that it never rears it’s ugly head again?

SeniorD on May 27, 2010 at 11:37 AM

Evan Bayh, Ben Nelson, and Kent Conrad have “expressed concerns,” according to Congressional Quarterly. Robert Menendez is flat-out opposed,

Weren’t these same guys opposed to Obamacare “On Principle (abortion)”

How much money in an offshore account and what future job will it take to sell those principles this time?

dhunter on May 27, 2010 at 11:42 AM

I’m the founder of a solar power technology company. We have a potential investor who has put together a pool of several hundred million dollars to invest in start-up and early stage growth companies with the goals of making money, doing good things for the future of the nation, and creating jobs in America.

He told us upfront that his money comes with strings attached: We have to agree not to outsource or offshore any jobs overseas. We agreed instantly because that had been a dream of ours from the beginning anyway.

Our funding deal was supposed to close a several months ago, but the health care deal with its capital gains increase and other anti-business aspects slowed things down.

Since then, with the ‘financial reform’ bill, the potential for cap-and-trade bill being passed, and now the bill in question in the above article, he’s reluctantly backed out of the deal completely – at least for the time being.

This guy wants to create real, lasting jobs in America and fund companies he thinks can improve our future. Our President and Congress seem to be doing everything they can to stop him.

He has several hundred million dollars he wants to invest in American start-up and early growth companies, but he says that it is no longer economically feasible to do so.

What Congress and the President are doing to the nation is insane.

DrDeano on May 27, 2010 at 11:43 AM

Sadly, this is just a symptom of the problem, the real issue is the millions of public-educated citizens who continue to fall for the class warfare rhetoric and vote for these leftist idiots. We can’t fix what’s wrong until enough people understand what Ronald Maximus told us: Government is not the solution, government is the problem.

skanter on May 27, 2010 at 11:45 AM

If the ship of state steams onwards toward the shoals, coalescing in area of like-minded souls will be the last option.
Archimedes on May 27, 2010 at 9:49 AM

Utah, baby. Reddest state in the Union for a reason. I just moved here, and this place is jammed packed with rugged individualists. LOVE IT.

Kristamatic on May 27, 2010 at 1:15 PM

Dick Durban “seething”? That only happens when he’s not getting enough kickback for his votes. He must have some buddies in the highway construction business…

ReformedAndDangerous on May 27, 2010 at 1:50 PM