16-12: Armed Services Committee passes repeal of “don’t ask, don’t tell”; Update: Repeal passes House, 234-194

posted at 7:28 pm on May 27, 2010 by Allahpundit

That looks like a party line vote, but it actually wasn’t. Susan Collins voted yes and Jim Webb voted no. Meawhile, in the House

In a floor speech on Thursday, Representative Barney Frank, Democrat of Massachusetts, denounced the policy that requires gay men, lesbians and bisexuals to keep their sexual orientation secret if they want to serve in the armed forces.

Mr. Frank noted that the Israeli military, which he called “as effective a fighting force as has existed in modern times” does not bar gay men or lesbians from service. Mr. Frank, who is openly gay, also said that he would be criticized — rightly, he said — if he were to suggest that gay men and lesbians be exempted if a military draft were needed.

Representative Mike Pence of Indiana, the No. 3 Republican, accused Democrats of trying to use the military “to advance a liberal social agenda” and demanded that Congress “put its priorities in order.”…

“The military is not a social experiment,” said Representative Louie Gohmert, Republican of Texas, who said lifting the ban could encourage “overt” sexual behavior in the ranks.

The full floor vote in either chamber could come tomorrow or even tonight, and I honestly can’t wait. Not because I support repealing DADT (which I do) but because it’ll be fascinating to watch vulnerable Dems and Repubs struggle with how to vote on this in an election year. Oddly enough, The Hill finds that an awful lot of House Democrats really, really don’t want to talk about it. Although the Senate, as usual, is more interesting: Will Collins be the only Republican to risk the wrath of the base by defecting? If she is, then Reid’s got a problem because Webb’s in line to be the 41st vote for the GOP on a filibuster. Or maybe Webb will decide that he doesn’t want to antagonize the nutroots quite that much so he’ll vote for cloture but then vote no on the final bill. Which way does Blanche Lincoln vote, though? Probably yes in order to protect herself in the primary run-off in Arkansas, but that’ll be another liability for her in the general (if she survives).

While we wait, here are milbloggers JD Johannes and Uncle Jimbo from Blackfive telling Rachel Maddow last night why they support repeal. Exit question: Is this going to be another 217-216 vote in the House?

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Update: The deal is sealed in the House. 234-194, with four Republicans voting yes. Charles Djou was one of them, which is a no-brainer given how blue his district is, but I’m waiting for the roll to see who the other three are. The fact that the vote wasn’t close is a sign of how comfortable centrist Dems felt with the polling.

Update: Still waiting for the roll, which should be available here once it’s up, but the names of the five (not four) GOP defectors are already being reported on Twitter: It’s Djou, Joe Cao (also from a deep blue district), Judy Biggert, Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, and … Ron Paul.

Update: A shrewd point from Ben Smith: “It’s worth pausing to note the degree to which military service has replaced marriage as the public focus of the gay rights movement, and what a canny strategic posture that has been. Gays and lesbians have now spent months demanding something that’s less a right than a burden or a duty — demanding to be able to service and, potentially, die for the country. It’s a fundamentally patriotic stance, and it will offer a moral high ground to the movement for equal treatment for same-sex couples on questions like immigration and marriage.”


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“This is not about repealing, but about instituting a whole new host of policies, laws and tactics to transform our military from a largely conservative and effective institution into a liberal and ineffective one. Not only will the military system have to change to accommodate gays, but it’s mission will have to change as well.”

You are so right. The twisted filthy obscenity of “gays” complaining that marriage among straights is supposedly currently rocky is like arsonists complaining about the quality and response time of the local fire service.

ebrown2 on May 28, 2010 at 9:19 PM

quikstrike98 on May 28, 2010 at 9:12 AM
Hear hear… sexual segregation is just more hatred by the conservative nazis. It would solve the whole transgender problem too.

Skywise on May 28, 2010 at 10:02 AM

I’ve seen this question posted many times on these threads, but I’m still waiting for someone to try to answer it.

I know it sounds a bit silly, but it’s a serious question at its core. Can ANYONE who supports the repeal of DADT offer an answer to this one?

Abelard on May 28, 2010 at 11:27 AM

It’s because the repeal of DADT will DE-LEGITIMIZE the service of gays and lesbians in the service, and the non-naive supporters of such idiocy INTEND for it to be destructive in that manner, which is why implementation is being held off until after the November elections.

Gays and lesbians who truly love their country, understand the rationale behind sexual discipline in the forces and want to serve are a different breed from creeps like the activists who threw blood in Catholic churches, i.e. the kind of disgusting creeps Obama wants to allow to tear into the military.

ebrown2 on May 28, 2010 at 9:27 PM

What logistics issues? And out of curiosity, what’s your MOS/rank?

I’m a Staff Sergeant and my MOS is 0811, Artillery.

The logistical issues will be the barracks and shower situations because there will be some Marines uncomfortable with the idea of sharing a room with a homo. However, after the initial shock I don’t see a problem.
However, although I agree that repealing DADT is something to consider in the future, I personally don’t think right now is the right time to be doing this while we are fighting wars around the globe.

RightXBrigade on May 28, 2010 at 10:07 PM

Why are you guys debating this like you actually have a say in it? Your opinion does not matter. It will be repealed. Its been interesting to realize how many people comment here who are genuinely bad human beings. Not an ounce of good in some of you and I think it reflects well what this site has become. Its pretty bad when many other sites and forums are linking to comments here that most decent people think are vile. Someone who followed the link here told me its like accidentally clicking a link that is child porn and that creepy feeling in your stomach when you read what you clicked and then getting out really fast.

fastestslug on May 29, 2010 at 12:41 AM

Its pretty bad when many other sites and forums are linking to comments here that most decent people think are vile

 
Links, please.

rogerb on May 29, 2010 at 5:01 AM

I find it interesting that the neither the chairman nor ranking Republican of the HASC has ever served in the military. But not to worry, neither has the chairman of the SASC. That’s to be expected: “According to the Military Officers Association of America, only 25 of today’s 100 U.S. senators are veterans, compared with 73 in 1981. The percentage of veterans in the House of Representatives fell from 62 percent in 1981 to 22 percent — or 94 members — today, according to the association.” Then we have a Commander in Chief with no prior military or national security experience and a CIA Director with no prior intelligence experience. Seriously?

Send_Me on May 29, 2010 at 11:44 AM

Tolerance = no one asks nor cares about your sexual orientation. Don’t bring it up, and no one will care.
Acceptance = full disclosure and tacit approval by all.
This is not a tolerance issue, but rather an attempt to force those who view homosexuality as a sin to approve of said behavior. Intolerance of intolerance.
Why do advocates for homosexuality feel as if they need everyone’s approval to live how they wish to live? I thought they didn’t care what others thought.

Send_Me on May 29, 2010 at 11:50 AM

It’s the conservative thing to do. We’re not the party who lumps human beings together in groups, rather we look at them as the individuals they are.

In related Ron Paul news,

Rae on May 28, 2010 at 10:44 AM

Absurd! How is Ron Paul voting to remove DADT “the conservative thing to do”? Your entire allegation there is absurd, just utterly absurd, but it DOES explain why CPAC2010 was characterised, unfortunately by Ron Paul and homosexual activism.

Lourdes on May 29, 2010 at 1:17 PM

In related Ron Paul news,

Rae on May 28, 2010 at 10:44 AM

And I didn’t read your “Ron Paul news.” Rather, skimmed on past it, since my remarks earlier were in no way a solicitation to read more about “Ron Paul news”.

You Paul promoters are shameless. Utterly shameless.

Here’s the real news: Ron Paul isn’t the cool-cult leader to the rest of us that he is to you.

Lourdes on May 29, 2010 at 1:18 PM

It’s the conservative thing to do. We’re not the party who lumps human beings together in groups, rather we look at them as the individuals they are.

In related Ron Paul news,

Rae on May 28, 2010 at 10:44 AM

I am still sitting here shaking my head at your numbskullery, your audacious illiterate assumptions that Ron Paul’s views on this issue represent “the conservative thing to do.”

It’s not about Ron Paul, conservatives or your phony concept of conservativism, it’s about our military and maintaining competitiveness and unity among the miltiary ranks to do so. Yet, inevitably, people such as yourself (among others I’ve read, here and elsewhere) continue to make “it” all about someone’s sexual proclivities and varioius remashings of the term “conservative.”

Absurd and exploitative.

Lourdes on May 29, 2010 at 1:23 PM

Why are you guys debating this like you actually have a say in it? Your opinion does not matter. It will be repealed. Its been interesting to realize how many people comment here who are genuinely bad human beings. Not an ounce of good in some of you and I think it reflects well what this site has become. Its pretty bad when many other sites and forums are linking to comments here that most decent people think are vile…

fastestslug on May 29, 2010 at 12:41 AM

Our opinions do matter, contrary to the fascist demands you’re espousing there. And the Senate is likely not to pass the amendment-laden legislation, and I’ll tell you why: the Republicans in the Senate are the only people involved in the legislative debate who are actually taking the military’s point of views into consideration and the military does not want DADT repealed. And for very credible reasons why, that have nothing to do with all the Leftwing touchy-feely hoopla that is attempted to be applied to this issue.

Lourdes on May 29, 2010 at 1:27 PM

DADT:

– no one’s asking, so,

– no one’s “being asked to lie about who the are.”

If they’re not asked, they’re not responding.

The simple truth is being warped around every possible victimization excuse and taunt as can be imagined. If someone thinks the military is “demanding they lie about who they are” (which is the Leftwing and homosexual-activist victimization outcry) then they’re indicating a relatively hostile attitude about the military.

In which case, they’re not military material.

If they’re happy and eager to serve otherwise, then they’re welcome. NO one’s asking them if they’re homosexual, so there’s no excuse to claim they’re “being forced to lie about who they are” and that’s the functionality of DADT.

Lourdes on May 29, 2010 at 1:32 PM

Why do advocates for homosexuality feel as if they need everyone’s approval to live how they wish to live?

Because even they don’t believe that how they are living is natural. But by trying to force everyone to believe that it is, then they themselves might believe it and feel better about their lifestyle. And that just ain’t gonna happen, because they will always know, deep down, the falsehood of that lifestyle.

Sterling Holobyte on May 29, 2010 at 4:33 PM

I think this is funny how a lot of you guys (the same people that seem to know that direction to take in Iraq and Afghanistan) know what we in the military need to do to keep a well disciplined, highly trained military. Stick to the blogs, I’ll kill the ragheads and decide if it matters that I got a gay guy shooting next to me.

RightXBrigade on May 29, 2010 at 10:09 PM

Its pretty bad when many other sites and forums are linking to comments here that most decent people think are vile

 
Links, please.
 
rogerb on May 29, 2010 at 5:01 AM

 
I suppose it’s safe to call you a liar now. A vile liar, even.

rogerb on May 30, 2010 at 8:38 AM

Today is Memorial Day 2010. Let’s all salute those who have served whether they are gay or straight, it make no difference.

SC.Charlie on May 31, 2010 at 9:29 AM

Let’s change the punchline to give it more impact.

“Don’t tell and I won’t ask”. This new slogan gets to the crux of the issue. Basically, I know but do not care and as long as you do not insist telling me that I must accept your lifestyle and we will get along just fine as long as you do your part.

MSGTAS on May 31, 2010 at 10:41 AM

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