Kentucky libertarians: Rand Paul might not be libertarian enough

posted at 8:36 pm on May 26, 2010 by Allahpundit

Here’s a good way for libertarians to prove they’re serious political actors: Mount a third-party challenge to their best shot at a Senate seat in ages because he — Ron Paul’s son — isn’t quite 99 and 44/100 percent pure.

“He had gone from being an outsider candidate to a tea party candidate to an establishment candidate in the past nine months,” [state Libertarian vice chairman Joshua] Koch said. “It’s a complete identity crisis. I’ve never seen anything like it.”

Insisting Paul is no Libertarian, Koch called Paul and his Democratic opponent, Kentucky Attorney General Jack Conway, “faces of the same bad coin.”…

Koch said Paul’s views on a variety of subjects differ from the Libertarian Party, including his promised support for any measures to ban abortion and his opposition to same-sex marriage.

“Trying to impose a national standard for that would throw the whole system out of balance, and that’s definitely not Libertarian,” Koch said.

Koch also said Paul is out of step with Libertarians in his unwillingness to call for U.S. troops to leave Iraq and Afghanistan.

I’m intrigued by the fact that they think he’s on the level about Iraq and Afghanistan. I’ve always assumed that was Paul’s version of Obama’s lie about his supposed opposition to gay marriage, which the left has the good sense to indulge in the name of electability. Seriously, it just so happens that Rand Paul, novice candidate, has sharply different views from his old man in the one area that made Ron Paul electoral poison to so many conservatives in 2008? C’mon. Anyway, the filing deadline’s August 10. The question: Is a party that struggles to crack two percent of the vote in a general election really a threat to Rand Paul in Kentucky? It’s hard to imagine Conway winning 49/48/3, as most purist libertarians will probably hold their nose and vote Paul if the race is that close in the end. But I guess if the purists can get the meme going that he’s a phony, maybe enough people stay home or refuse to donate that it really does end up hurting him. Quick, Rand: Condemn the Civil Rights Act before it’s too late!

Incidentally, they’re quite right about Paul bucking the libertarian tide on abortion. His father’s pro-life too, but Rand is really pro-life. Really.


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Also, just as Rand Paul is the best choice for KY establishment Republicans at the moment… he’s also the best shot that the KY libertarians are gonna get. Surely some of these l/Libertarians must realize this…

MeatHeadinCA on May 26, 2010 at 8:40 PM

Rand is really pro-life. Really.

you’re not kidding

cmsinaz on May 26, 2010 at 8:40 PM

Kentucky libertarians aren’t exactly a large voting bloc. Just sayin’.

It's Vintage, Duh on May 26, 2010 at 8:41 PM

If these idiots think abortion (which is in no real danger of being criminalized) or gay marriage (which even Democrats aren’t supporting) are the issues of the day, they’re either ignorant fools or just liberals pretending to be fiscally conservative.

1 – Spending. 2- Taxes. That’s what’s on the ballot this year, folks. Nothing else. Not gay marriage, not abortion, not even national security. This year is about stopping the death spiral of runaway deficit spending that we can’t pay for without plundering the private sector and putting millions more out of work. No libertarian with any sort of principle would think otherwise. These guys are phonies.

Caiwyn on May 26, 2010 at 8:43 PM

What a buffoon. They should be leading the parade for Paul, claiming they found him first.

motionview on May 26, 2010 at 8:45 PM

That’s like Kucinich voting “no” on a Socialist piece of garbage legislation because it wasn’t enough socialism in it

Chrisin206 on May 26, 2010 at 8:45 PM

Clayton Cramer on sensible libertarians.

John the Libertarian on May 26, 2010 at 8:45 PM

Haha guys, as a libertarian, trust me..do not take the Libertarian PARTY seriously. Most libertarians (I mean this) do not! the LP is a complete circus joke. Ignore them, trust me most libertarians are hoping, wishing, praying whatever that Rand Paul gets elected.

flawedskull on May 26, 2010 at 8:49 PM

Haha guys, as a libertarian, trust me..do not take the Libertarian PARTY seriously. Most libertarians (I mean this) do not! the LP is a complete circus joke. Ignore them, trust me most libertarians are hoping, wishing, praying whatever that Rand Paul gets elected.

flawedskull on May 26, 2010 at 8:49 PM

Yeah, after reading the write up a bit more carefully, I realized AP wasn’t really referring to libertarians in general but the LP.

MeatHeadinCA on May 26, 2010 at 8:51 PM

isn’t quite 99 and 44/100 percent pure.

I didn’t know AP was a Ronnie Milsap fan. That song came out the year Nixon resigned.

TxAnn56 on May 26, 2010 at 8:51 PM

Many libertarians are pro-life. Also, Kentucky is one of the most pro-life states in the country, even a majority of Dems are pro-life. What position is the GOP nominee suppose to take in that case.

TimTebowSavesAmerica on May 26, 2010 at 8:52 PM

Insisting Paul is no Libertarian, Koch called Paul and his Democratic opponent, Kentucky Attorney General Jack Conway, “faces of the same bad coin.”…

Koch said Paul’s views on a variety of subjects differ from the Libertarian Party, including his promised support for any measures to ban abortion and his opposition to same-sex marriage.

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Yes, simple minded juvenile ideological purity! No moderation, no compromise, no coalition building, no appeal to mainstream conservatives and centrists! Church going Catholics and Evangelicals, and Orthodox Jews need not apply. Yep! That’s the ticket! It worked just fine in November 2006 when Libertarians abandoned the Republican Party and Reid and Pelosi got control of federal spending as a result thereof. It worked even better in November 2008! Hey why double down again? What can go wrong?

Mike OMalley on May 26, 2010 at 8:53 PM

The Tea Party is flexing it’s muscle.

Tea party win embarrasses GOP establishment

True_King on May 26, 2010 at 8:58 PM

It’s hard to imagine Conway winning 49/48/3, as most purist libertarians will probably hold their nose and vote Paul if the race is that close in the end.

They have to hold their nose to vote for…Rand Paul.

And to think Libertarians aren’t taken seriously by most people.

amerpundit on May 26, 2010 at 8:59 PM

Don’t let the perfect get in the way of the good, libertarians.

Dark-Star on May 26, 2010 at 9:02 PM

Here’s a good way for libertarians republicans to prove they’re serious political actors“big tent”: Mount a third-party challenge toDo everything they can to torpedo their best shot at a Senate seat in ages because he — Ron Paul’s son the Tea Party Candidate and a Republican— isn’t quite 99 and 44/100 percent GOP establishmentpure.

FIFY Allah.

Firefly_76 on May 26, 2010 at 9:03 PM

Early on in his campaign, Paul described himself less of a Libertarian and more of a constitutional conservative.

NoNails on May 26, 2010 at 9:03 PM

Also, just as Rand Paul is the best choice for KY establishment Republicans at the moment… he’s also the best shot that the KY libertarians are gonna get. Surely some of these l/Libertarians must realize this…

MeatHeadinCA on May 26, 2010 at 8:40 P

I’m a Libertarian, Rand Paul is fine. The media will seek out any nut job that thinks that Rand Paul is to damn liberal and quote them as if they are speaking for a major block in Kentucky. They are not. They also think he is a Neo-Con, Zionist front man for the NWO.

We are happy with Paul, he is doing fine. he hit a bump in the road, but he will be fine. He is not a professional politician.

Want to know what we in Kentucky think about Rand Paul, ask us, we will tell you.

RobertInLexington on May 26, 2010 at 9:07 PM

OT Type in http://www.michellemalkin.org and see where it takes you.

NoNails on May 26, 2010 at 9:08 PM

Lesson No. 1 in politics (particularly applicable to “L”ibertarians):

Politics is the art of the possible. Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

JohnGalt23 on May 26, 2010 at 9:10 PM

I’m a Libertarian, Rand Paul is fine. The media will seek out any nut job that thinks that Rand Paul is to damn liberal and quote them as if they are speaking for a major block in Kentucky. They are not. They also think he is a Neo-Con, Zionist front man for the NWO.

We are happy with Paul, he is doing fine. he hit a bump in the road, but he will be fine. He is not a professional politician.

Want to know what we in Kentucky think about Rand Paul, ask us, we will tell you.

RobertInLexington on May 26, 2010 at 9:07 PM

You need to go over to http://www.riehlworldview.com and educate that fool Dan Riehl.

NoNails on May 26, 2010 at 9:10 PM

Read to the end of the article that AP linked to http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37358634/ns/politics-decision_2010/ and you will find this quote from Koch:

“The reason why we would even consider running somebody in this race is because we’re not going to let Rand determine what a Libertarian stands for,” he said. “I’m here to say Rand does not have the Libertarian ideology.”

I just wish the Republican Party would WAKE UP and set some standards for candidates who claim to be Republicans even though they are Ron Paul Libertarians! The objective of these “Liberty Republicans” is to hijack the definition of what a Republican stands for.

Watch this video to see Ron Paul’s strategy to “take back the Republican Party.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlqXq8YxQFQ

Ron Paul’s Campaign for Liberty is supporting “Liberty Republican” candidates around the country who are aligned with the anti-war movement and do not represent the Republican ideaology.

Voter beware! Rand Paul is just the tip of the iceberg!

wren on May 26, 2010 at 9:16 PM

You need to go over to http://www.riehlworldview.com and educate that fool Dan Riehl.

NoNails on May 26, 2010 at 9:10 PM

Unless he lives in Kentucky and has a vote, I could not care less.

RobertInLexington on May 26, 2010 at 9:19 PM

The Libertarian Party represents only a small segment of the overall libertarian movement. And I say this as a 25+ year dues-paying Libertarian Party member.

The Republican Liberty Caucus is much more representative of the mainstream of the libertarian political movement.

Dave Nalle, National Chairman of the RLC has affirmed that Libertarian Republicans are enthusiastically and excitedly behind the candidacy of Rand Paul and will most certainly remain so.

Eric Dondero, Publisher
LibertarianRepublican.net
Fmr. Senior Aide, US Cong. Ron Paul
Founder, Republican Liberty Caucus

ericdondero on May 26, 2010 at 9:21 PM

Ron Paul’s Campaign for Liberty is supporting “Liberty Republican” candidates around the country who are aligned with the anti-war movement and do not represent the Republican ideaology.

Voter beware! Rand Paul is just the tip of the iceberg!

wren on May 26, 2010 at 9:16 PM

McCain is such a fine example along with Lindsey Graham and the rest of the RINO’s.

RobertInLexington on May 26, 2010 at 9:23 PM

Got this from Rand Paul today..

Well, that was an interesting week. As I noted at my Lion’s Club meeting today, it was the best of times and the worst of times. We had a great victory last week, beating the establishment by over 20 points.

But we also felt the attacks and lies of our opponent, the establishment media, and the entire Democratic power structure from Washington DC — up to, and including, the White House.

I guess we’ve got their attention now!

My opponent and his allies in Washington are showing their true colors. They have spent days lying and distorting and generally trying to smear me with their attack machine.

It’s not going to work.

My opponent is making something clear to everyone that I already knew — he can’t beat us in Kentucky in 2010 if he has to defend his record of support for President Obama’s schemes like national healthcare, Cap and Trade, Card Check and bailouts. He is too far left for our state and is out of step with the mood of the country.

So he’s intent on changing what this race is about. We’ll, I’m not going to let him do that.

All this week and next, we’ll be talking to the media and the people of Kentucky, one day at a time, one issue at a time. We’re going to expose my opponent’s out of step liberal agenda. We’ll talk about his establishment friends and special interest money. And we’ll make sure he knows he won’t get away with making things up about me or my views.

Real simple, Paul will force Conway to stand on Obama’s platform and defend it.

The noise is dying down here in Ky.

RobertInLexington on May 26, 2010 at 9:27 PM

So the LP has a party with an anti-abortion stand? Are they also anti-abolitionism?

The LP has to be one of the biggest obstacles to actually getting a more libertarian government.

If they guys had spent as much time focusing on taxes/government power as they did on dope perhaps we wouldn’t have gotten President Obama and Speaker Pelosi…

18-1 on May 26, 2010 at 9:33 PM

If they guys had spent as much time focusing on taxes/government power as they did on dope perhaps we wouldn’t have gotten President Obama and Speaker Pelosi…

18-1 on May 26, 2010 at 9:33 PM

+1000

They are very unrealistic. I agree with what they want, it is how we get there I disagree with. To me, and just my opinion, Rand Paul is the steady pressure on the breaks of slowing down run away government. The “pure” Libertarians what to slam on the breaks.

Good luck with that. We didn’t get in this mess over night, and we won’t get out of it over night. It will take time, and some hard fought battles, but we can get there.

RobertInLexington on May 26, 2010 at 9:38 PM

Voter beware! Rand Paul is just the tip of the iceberg!

wren on May 26, 2010 at 9:16 PM

Good Lord, I really hope so. We need a Liberty iceberg to sink the SS Big Government before it’s too late!

Inkblots on May 26, 2010 at 9:42 PM

ericdondero on May 26, 2010 at 9:21 PM

I’m sorry, but I have to do this, just for old times’ sake:

DONDEROOOOOOOOOOOO!

Inkblots on May 26, 2010 at 9:44 PM

Latest Rand Paul Facebook post..

more bailouts coming courtesy of your friends in Washington, this time of private employer/union pension funds. Where does Jack stand on this one? Ask him!

Maybe I am just being to optimistic, but I think Rand will be fine. After all, he will just be holding Conway’s feet to Obama’s fire.

RobertInLexington on May 26, 2010 at 10:06 PM

So what exactly is the litmus test for Kentucky Libertarians? That he be as crazy as his old man?

catmman on May 26, 2010 at 10:22 PM

This is why Libertarians can’t have nice things.

BadgerHawk on May 26, 2010 at 10:44 PM

Haha guys, as a libertarian, trust me..do not take the Libertarian PARTY seriously. Most libertarians (I mean this) do not! the LP is a complete circus joke. Ignore them, trust me most libertarians are hoping, wishing, praying whatever that Rand Paul gets elected.

flawedskull on May 26, 2010 at 8:49 PM

As a libertarian cartoonist for a libertarian editorial page for 23 years, there is a big difference in capital’L’ libertarians (the party) and small ‘l’ ones. The LP is kooky, like when they ran Stan Jones for Montana senate who took colloidal silver in 1999 because he thought Y2K would screw up computers, spread disease and make antibiotics hard to get. That stuff turned his skin blue (permanently) and he already had white hair, and has been known as the “smurf Libertarian”.

Not to mention former hookers running for governor (CA), or the “spitting Druid” running for statewide office ( I forget which) in California.

Yeah, that’s the Party, and pretty much what they do…party.

cartooner on May 26, 2010 at 11:25 PM

Hmmmm.

Libertarians. Crazy then, crazy now, crazy forever!

(golf clap)

memomachine on May 26, 2010 at 11:58 PM

I am sick of Libertarians-go get your own party and leave us Republicans alone.

Bullhead on May 27, 2010 at 12:17 AM

Don’t let the perfect get in the way of the good, libertarians.

Dark-Star on May 26, 2010 at 9:02 PM

Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

JohnGalt23 on May 26, 2010 at 9:10 PM

Ok… so I don’t need to look up the exact wording there. Guess I’ll go to bed, you guys seem to have that covered nicely. :)

gekkobear on May 27, 2010 at 12:54 AM

cartooner on May 26, 2010 at 11:25 PM

Ha. Your examples cheered me. But..

I glad that the R and D parties don’t have any strange people in them or become overly obstreperous. Things are going so well with them sharing control now./ sarc

IlikedAUH2O on May 27, 2010 at 7:00 AM

I see stupid people (i. e. the Kentucky Libertarians).

WannabeAnglican on May 27, 2010 at 8:34 AM

I find it odd that the poster feels that being Ron Paul’s son should be proof enough that Rand is libertarian.

Hey, if that’s your measuring stick, then why not suggest the son of Ronald Reagan as the GOP Presidential nominee? He must be just like his dad, right?

orange on May 27, 2010 at 3:48 PM