Surprise: Scott Brown voting no on repealing “don’t ask, don’t tell”
posted at 7:47 pm on May 25, 2010 by Allahpundit
Not really a surprise. After becoming the 60th vote on financial reform, he needs a gesture to “prove” to Massachusetts conservatives that he’s still one of them. But even so: According to CNN’s poll today, 78 percent of Americans support repealing DADT, along with nearly six in 10 Republicans. (That’s in line with other polls, incidentally. An ABC survey taken in February found 75 percent support overall.) Even among blue-state GOPers, his vote here won’t do much for him.
Brown says that while he is keeping “an open mind” on future efforts, he believes any vote for repeal should be put off until the Pentagon has time to formulate a plan for implementing any new policy.
“I am keeping an open mind, but I do not support moving ahead until I am able to finish my review, the Pentagon completes its study, and we can be assured that a new policy can be implemented without jeopardizing the mission of our military,” Brown said in a statement provided to the Globe…
“For some time now, I have been seeking the opinions and recommendations of service chiefs, commanders in the field, and, most importantly, our junior soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines,” he said in the statement. “I believe we have a responsibility to the men and women of our armed forces to be thorough in our consideration of this issue and take their opinions seriously.”…
Criticism from some gay rights groups was swift and unsparing. “The notion that the senator from Massachusetts — the first state in the nation to have marriage equality and one of the first states to have an anti-discrimination law — would oppose ending discrimination against gays military personnel is reprehensible,” said Arline Isaacson, co-chair of the Massachusetts Gay and Lesbian Political Caucus.
In Massachusetts, 77 percent support repeal, along with 62 percent of Brown voters. Susan Collins, who’s not in quite the same amount of electoral jeopardy as he is, says she’ll support repeal — but the Dems aren’t out of the woods yet. Lindsey Graham’s also voting no for the same reason Brown is (i.e. we should wait until the Pentagon review is finished) and Jim Webb(!) is reportedly leaning that way too. These are all members of the Armed Services Committee, of course, and without a majority in favor of repeal there, there’s no way to attach a repeal amendment to the defense appropriations bill and bring it to the floor for a final vote. There are 16 Democrats on the committee and 12 Republicans, so with Collins and Webb swapping votes, there’s still a two-vote margin in favor of attachment. HuffPo notes, though, that both Nelsons — Bill and Ben — are shaky. If they end up voting with Brown, the Committee’s deadlocked at 14, which likely means the repeal effort is stalled until the Pentagon comes back with its review in December. Exit question: If, as is expected, Gates and Mullen generate a report insisting that they can implement a policy of service by openly gay members, how will the new, more conservative Congress next year vote? Remember — 78 percent of the public’s in favor.
Update: Another interesting poll: For the first time ever, a majority of Americans say gay relationships are morally acceptable.









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yeah, well 63% want to repeal ObamaCare. I don’t see anybody jumping up and down over that.
If gays want to openly serve, fine. But I don’t want to see Heterosexual soldiers punished every time an openly gay soldier feels they have been “wronged” or “treated differently”.
portlandon on May 25, 2010 at 7:51 PM
You lie. Now tell us the truth. What question did they ask?
faraway on May 25, 2010 at 7:51 PM
Am I in some bizarro flash-sideways timeline/limbo from LOST?
OhioCoastie on May 25, 2010 at 7:51 PM
if he’s not beholden to anyone
maybe he’s beholden to not being beholden?
blatantblue on May 25, 2010 at 7:51 PM
Update: Another interesting poll: For the first time ever, a majority of Americans say
gay relationshipsmurder and bribery are morally acceptable.–just cuz a majority says its morally acceptable….doesn’t make it so.
fundamentals of truth.
ted c on May 25, 2010 at 7:52 PM
I wasn’t aware a majority thought otherwise. That’s a surprising chart in that link.
Doughboy on May 25, 2010 at 7:53 PM
Once the nuclear family atom was smashed the fallout continues to spread. Now it’s hoppes#9 time.
fourdeucer on May 25, 2010 at 7:54 PM
Too late! He’s officially graduated into the DC insiders club.
katy on May 25, 2010 at 7:54 PM
Only in San Fran.
Sporty1946 on May 25, 2010 at 7:56 PM
68% want ObamaCare repealed.
Overwhelming majorities don’t want Gitmo closed.
Similar majorities oppose civilian trials for terrorists.
Remember, Democrats: We don’t govern by polls.
amerpundit on May 25, 2010 at 7:58 PM
The GOP congress will go along with it… but dictate terms and guiding lines…
I think repealing now is ridiculous… do the study and then lets look at it…
ninjapirate on May 25, 2010 at 7:58 PM
Oops had to log back in to make sure that wasn’t to be taken wrong. Meant no threat to no one, good night.
fourdeucer on May 25, 2010 at 7:59 PM
If you are, I’m getting out now. I don’t want to show up several years from now and discover we’re all dead, that y’all the people I’ve chosen to meet up to cross over.
amerpundit on May 25, 2010 at 7:59 PM
just “Plug the Damn Hole!”
ooops. *sorry* wrong thread….
ted c on May 25, 2010 at 7:59 PM
My niece graduates the Friday from Boston College Law and the guest speaker is none other than the RINO Sen. Scott Brown. Oh well, could be worse and be “Did you know I served in Viet Nam” Sen. Kerry.
Wade on May 25, 2010 at 8:02 PM
It’s a damn shame they never poll the ONLY ones effected by such social engineering. Members of the military. It’s always easy to dictate terms of living when you aren’t the one being forced to actually live it.
Guardian on May 25, 2010 at 8:03 PM
Bravo, Ted. #1000 in my book.
GrannyDee on May 25, 2010 at 8:04 PM
I thought when we elect Republicans in New England we get social liberals and fiscal conservatives.
How did we end up with Scott Brown? Fiscal liberal and social conservative?
I happen to be conservative on both, but, if I can only have one, I’ll take fiscal….
JadeNYU on May 25, 2010 at 8:04 PM
Sorry. That should be +1000 in my book.
GrannyDee on May 25, 2010 at 8:04 PM
Bull.
katy the mean old lady on May 25, 2010 at 8:05 PM
Let the study be done and the professionals have their say! This is one place the politicians should not mettle without some solid studies on the big picture. Right now all they are doing is pandoring to the left for votes. I don`t believe they care one iota for the gays in this country or really anyone else until they need something.
bluemarlin on May 25, 2010 at 8:05 PM
If only he’d reverse those votes. Oh, well.
SouthernGent on May 25, 2010 at 8:06 PM
Why are people surprised that Scott Brown is not a hard line conservative? He didn’t run as one. He specifically ran as not a hard line conservative. It’s Massachusetts, after all.
Buford Gooch on May 25, 2010 at 8:06 PM
I wouldn’t care about the gay pushing on this site… if Allahpundit wasn’t such a male spinster who sits on his arse watching Sex and the City all day…
ninjapirate on May 25, 2010 at 8:06 PM
fiscal liberal, pro-abortion, hates teh gays, me starting to not likey………
TimTebowSavesAmerica on May 25, 2010 at 8:08 PM
Or, perhaps, he actually believes what he says about waiting for the Pentagon’s report.
After all, as you say, it would be sort of stupid to take a stand that’s opposed by 78% of the voters, for pure political expediency.
Even cynical opinions such as yours need some sort of logical or factual backing, and you undercut your own argument.
notropis on May 25, 2010 at 8:11 PM
I could give a clever rat’s rear end what the sexual preference is for a soldier defending this country. I’m way, way beyond that. But repealling DADT means gays serving openly in the military. If everyone in the military will pinky swear they are cool with this on a number of levels…well…
(I hope y’all can detect the missing sarc tag on the above sentance.)
It’s not about sexual orientation…it’s about trust, feeling you can rely on the folks that are serving along side you. IOW: if you are a gay serving with a bunch of straights, are you going to be concerned that they will put you at additional risk?, If you’re openly gay in the military…are you? Safe I mean.
It cuts both ways.
I think sexualizing the military is a huge distraction and is putting soldiers–and us–in a more danger. Just one more thing they have to be sensitive to.
How ’bout this: Let’s tell our soldiers they can kill bad folks…including those they think are pretty likely bad folks…we, um, let our soldiers be, like…soldiers?
(yeah, I know, way too radical.)
Chewy the Lab on May 25, 2010 at 8:14 PM
I’ve sure been hearing a lot about gayness lately considering it only applies to one’s bedroom. Right?
rightheaded on May 25, 2010 at 8:14 PM
If I hadn’t read some of your other posts I would cry MOBY!
As is, I can only lol.
Aquateen Hungerforce on May 25, 2010 at 8:17 PM
I never had a problem with it…
… just don’t call it a marriage.
Seven Percent Solution on May 25, 2010 at 8:17 PM
Wasn’t Sen. Brown in the service? It’s easy for people who aren’t enlisted to comment but I have a problem taking out of the hands of the people with the knowledge.
Cindy Munford on May 25, 2010 at 8:17 PM
i guess thats a compliment? BTW, WTF is a MOBY?
ted c on May 25, 2010 at 8:20 PM
It’s a stupid policy to begin with. If these guys in barracks and down there in the bowels of ships can’t figure out a man is gay, then they are too dull to serve and are actually the ones who are a threat to the security of their unit.
Dr. ZhivBlago on May 25, 2010 at 8:22 PM
MOBY
Guardian on May 25, 2010 at 8:25 PM
I am neutral on Don’t ask, don’t tell, I feel it should be a military decision.
But Scott Brown is a moron, I really do think he is a dim bulb. The financial reform bill was infinitely more important than this military policy, I would much rather his votes were reversed. The financial “reform” bill is nothing but another Government power grab which in the end will benefit the big banks and strangle the smaller banks – like ALL Federal regulation does.
Daemonocracy on May 25, 2010 at 8:26 PM
52% think gay relationships are morally acceptable?
Who took that poll and just exactly who did they ask? THEY DIDN”T ASK ME!!!
Vntnrse on May 25, 2010 at 8:32 PM
The constitution gives the legislature the authority to make this particular decision. Everybody gets a say and as voters, civilian or veteran, we have a responsibility to weigh the issue for ourselves and form our own opinions.
Certainly the opinions of those serving our country should carry special weight, and it would be foolish to ignore their advice. However, even among the military it’s a controversial issue. Shouldn’t civilians give due consideration to the many military men and women who have argued persuasively for repeal?
RightOFLeft on May 25, 2010 at 8:37 PM
He’s appeasing conservatives by voting no on “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,” but he voted yes on Obama’s financial reform? That is exactly the wrong way to go.
Cara C on May 25, 2010 at 8:39 PM
my feelings too
cmsinaz on May 25, 2010 at 8:39 PM
I’m with Scott Brown on this one. Flamboyance on the line is going to cause problems. Its the truth.
tom0508 on May 25, 2010 at 8:39 PM
Alternate universe, maybe?
donh525 on May 25, 2010 at 8:43 PM
78% of all statistics are made up.
Blarg the Destroyer on May 25, 2010 at 8:46 PM
They asked:
“Do you think people who are openly gay or homosexual should or should not be allowed to serve in the U.S. military?”
Looking at the polls at the link AP gave (http://www.pollingreport.com/civil.htm), there’s a February Quinnipiac poll that asks about repealing DADT specifically, and it was 57-36% in favor of repealing.
You may not agree, or think that it should matter what most people think about this, but are you really denying that this is what people think? The polls at the link AP gave seem pretty consistent.
tneloms on May 25, 2010 at 8:47 PM
DADT isn’t exactly a core Conservative issue … and it’s not exactly exclusively held by conservatives.
I thought he ran as pro-Military.
MeatHeadinCA on May 25, 2010 at 8:50 PM
CRAP! Polls taken in liberal urban areas and college towns are just that. Try flyover country. We live in America too!
donh525 on May 25, 2010 at 8:50 PM
I’m gonna start stealing your comments :O
MeatHeadinCA on May 25, 2010 at 8:51 PM
If morals aren’t based on an absolute standard, they aren’t worth jack shit. And since an ever-increasing percentage of the US population recognizes no absolute moral standard, the slide into the moral sewer is as inevitable as the slide into socialism.
Splashman on May 25, 2010 at 8:52 PM
Pro-military = DADT
What people do behind closed doors is their business. There aren’t many closed doors in the military
donh525 on May 25, 2010 at 8:54 PM
AP – Why are we not calling out Collins, Snowe and Grassley for caving on this – while two Dems voted against? Making Brown #60 seems arbitrary.
swede7 on May 25, 2010 at 8:56 PM
That’s how I more or less see it. That would mean Gates is not pro-Military in that regard – but that’s not shocking.
MeatHeadinCA on May 25, 2010 at 9:00 PM
I’m one who’d definitely like to see homosexuals given full & open employment equality in the armed forces somehow.
I’m just a little confused on how the logistics of it all will be worked out.
After all, we’d never force men & women to shower together or sleep together. So what do you do when there’s same-sex attraction?
Put each gay man in a different barracks housing women? Recruit only gay couples & put ‘em in married housing?
I know I sound reaallly stupid with this question, but I’ve never seen anybody address this conundrum & so I’m stumped.
leilani on May 25, 2010 at 9:01 PM
Based on the question asked, I would have guessed 100%. But AP “gibbed” when he said this affirmed repeal of DADT.
faraway on May 25, 2010 at 9:03 PM
Congress won’t wait. Did they wait for the full CBO report on ObamaCare costs?
Why wait for bad news? And what if the Pentagon report comes back full of ‘bad news’. Like lower enlistment rates, lower retention rates?
Brown may yet end up voting for repeal. At least he’s waiting for information.
In the meantime, all you female Hotair viewers are invited over to shower with me. Nothing sexual about it.
GarandFan on May 25, 2010 at 9:21 PM
Even a pansy like Cosmo Boy looks tuff when he kicks homo ass I think.
Sit up and take notice, Team R. This one’s a keeper.
happyfeet on May 25, 2010 at 9:23 PM
Huh? These are polls of national adults. They don’t just call liberal urban areas and college towns. Where are you getting that from? And the link shows consistency across various polls.
tneloms on May 25, 2010 at 9:24 PM
..every time Allah (or Ed) run one of the “Scott Brown voted..” posts, I see in my minds eye a bleary, bloodshot-eyed, alcoholic, fat, bloviating liberal Senator in some restaurant with Chris Dodd trying to make a waitress sandwich out of some poor, middle-class serving wench..
..and then calm returns.
The War Planner on May 25, 2010 at 9:28 PM
..oh, and I am fine with repealing DADT as long as they make a rule saying that gays cannot serve in the military..
..I don’t give a damn what they did back in ancient Greece.
The War Planner on May 25, 2010 at 9:30 PM
Scott Brown is boring and a meathead.
rrpjr on May 25, 2010 at 9:32 PM
The tea party should be *so* proud of themselves.
lololol
NoStoppingUs on May 25, 2010 at 9:38 PM
Huh? You live with unicorns stopping traffic and leprechauns lurking in the bushes. I guarantee you, my southern Illinois county wouldn’t support abolishing DADT by 10%.
I have NEVER been polled on anything and don’t know anyone who has.
Like I intimated, some places are in the loop and a large percentage of America doesn’t count in any poll.
I also would bet urban areas carry a larger percentage polled per capita than rural areas. We just aren’t sophisticated enough. Rural rednecks, you know.
Do the polls show the areas polled? National adults? I’ve noticed them pretty much everywhere. That doesn’t mean they’re polled every where.
donh525 on May 25, 2010 at 9:54 PM
Right. It’s a national poll. It doesn’t mean that EVERY area in the country support repeal of DADT by 10%. It is measuring the average.
Neither have I. I don’t think that’s very surprising, since they only need a very small percentage to get a big enough sample for statistical purposes. I do know one family that’s been polled — my cousins in rural New Jersey. But I’m pretty sure that you can’t conclude anything based on anecdotal experience like that.
Okay, so you’re just assuming that pollsters don’t call rural areas for some reason. Even though people who live in rural areas also have phones.
I googled a few terms because I was curious, but couldn’t find anything even suggesting such a theory. Maybe I missed it. Can you point me to this? There are tons of people on all parts of the political spectrum that care about and study pollster practices. Presumably someone would have pointed this out if it were true. Do you know of any evidence whatsoever for your theory?
tneloms on May 25, 2010 at 10:28 PM
Some conservative . Mindlessly announce opposing the DADT repeal before the military even reports , but vote to miss-regulate the free market along with the Obambo-fascists
borntoraisehogs on May 25, 2010 at 10:32 PM
If you repeal DADT now, previous military policy on gays in the military goes back into effect, doesn’t it?
And with repeal, the UCMJ will also have to be amended, the sodomy laws removed or rewritten, right?
All I’m hearing right now is repeal. If there isn’t a fix, what’s the point?
Just like Obamacare, we’ll get a few days of favorable press followed by the inevitable “Ummm, what do we do now? Oh right, get back to prosecuting the homosexuals.”
catmman on May 25, 2010 at 11:09 PM
AP: Morality is not determined by majority.
publiuspen on May 25, 2010 at 11:10 PM
The military needs to be less gay, at the moment.
profitsbeard on May 25, 2010 at 11:15 PM
No wonder the muzzies and the left will let Islamism take us over, from within.
Our military is no longer for fighting.
Schadenfreude on May 26, 2010 at 12:23 AM
I don’t respect this vote. It’s just too political and too odd, frankly.
AnninCA on May 26, 2010 at 1:28 AM
I should add that the best of being a moderate GOP guy should be a more liberal stance on social issues.
This just is chaotic.
AnninCA on May 26, 2010 at 1:29 AM
In other words, don’t come to Allahpundit if you want a conservative viewpoint on this issue. I can buy the shtick that fiscal concerns just happen to be taking the spotlight for now, but let’s face it… we’re kidding ourselves if we think traditional conservative cooperation is going to be reciprocated with any defense of traditional cultural principles.
Three years of organizing and activism, and this is what it amounts to? It’s enough to make me want to just help the Dems destroy what’s left of America as we know it. Just get it over with, because apparently we can’t be united on something as commonsensical as keeping gay politics out of the military.
…Excuse the rant. It’s discouraging to see the most visible of us simply rolling over on left wing demands on an issue this basic to conservative philosophy.
Alexander on May 26, 2010 at 2:13 AM
Yes, I realize it’s not fair to single out AP for all this. Like I said… to see this coming even from top brass is discouraging. I can’t imagine that with so many conflicts going on that this is what they think should be on the top of their priority lists. I don’t understand why that question isn’t being asked.
Alexander on May 26, 2010 at 2:47 AM
Allah, maybe he is voting this way because he has been in the military. He has a long history in that regard. I know you see everything from a cynical point of view, but sometimes there are other things at play than just political calculation.
Terrye on May 26, 2010 at 6:59 AM
Man, this is why some (most?) days I hate the GOP. They will cave into everything the Dems offer regarding fiscal policy that costs me money, but then make a big show of strength on social policy that doesn’t affect me one way or the other.
Thanks Soctty. Now I will sleep better knowing that closeted gays will still be closeted in the military. But as an added bonus my taxes will go up to pay for “financial reform” and “job creation” that you happily voted for.
You suck.
angryed on May 26, 2010 at 8:32 AM
Gays are already serving in the military ………. but they are not supposed to tell and you are not supposed to ask, which is pure BS. People are people, everyone is subject to rumors, bad and good. They need to be allowed to serve openly. Brown voted for the Democrats when it came to fiscal issues and now he votes this one down. He is not my favorite Senator right now.
SC.Charlie on May 26, 2010 at 9:20 AM
In a perverse way, I think I am actually looking forward to the fall-out when military retention goes down the toilet upon the repeal of DADT. Obama and his fellow travellers (including the gay activist hell-bent upon shoving their perversions, not only into the faces of all other Americans, but using the power of government to force us to accept, or even “officially approve” of their perversions) have pretty much managed to destroy nearly every other aspect of this country and now they will destroy our military. (By the way, there are a greater percentage of “evangelical Christians” in the military than there is in the general population.)
Even bringing back the draft won’t help, because the problem comes with RETENTION, not initial enlistment. Anyone who has served in the military knows that it is the NCO’s who really make things work, and those NCO’s come from the ranks of the enlisted who have been retained and / or are making a career of the military. Without significant numbers of those NCO’s, no military will be effective (which has been the problem in getting the Iraqi’s ready to take over their own security, etc – because it hasn’t been long enough to develop a significant, effective NCO corps.)
I have come to accept the fact that I am living through the downfall of the greatest nation this planet has ever known, and I am in a permanent state of depression becauce of it. There is nothing that these people will do that can surprise me any longer. They WILL destroy this nation, and then they will dance on its grave.
Fatal on May 26, 2010 at 11:23 AM
Fatal, you worry about the wrong issue. The spending and government involvement in every aspect of our lives is what worries myself.
SC.Charlie on May 26, 2010 at 12:42 PM
SC, traditional conservatives have been largely supportive of fiscal concerns. In return, we’re being told ours are unimportant. Really?
Good luck trying to turn the country around on your own.
Alexander on May 26, 2010 at 12:49 PM
I am all in favor of keeping DADT. The military is not a job just like any other one, which is the typical justification for this repeal. You cannot have sexual tension in the middle of battle and the sexual orientation of an individual has no reason to be brought up. It doesn’t change the work that the military does but repealing DADT makes it an issue.
For over 15 years our military has worked great under DADT. Just let it be and stop trying to make homosexuality a protected class in every facet of life.
ptcamn on May 26, 2010 at 1:07 PM
Oh how kind of Mr Brown to toss us a courtesy can of potted meat food byproduct, after serving the Liberals a nice juicy steak, and fine wine.
Razgriez on May 26, 2010 at 3:18 PM