Nikki Haley’s accuser: I’ll release texts and e-mails that prove the affair soon
posted at 5:57 pm on May 25, 2010 by Allahpundit
Didn’t he say originally that he’d have nothing more to say after his “confession”?
Republican blogger Will Folks, in an e-mail to The Daily Caller, said records of e-mails, text messages and phone records will prove he had an extramarital affair with South Carolina gubernatorial candidate Nikki Haley.
“In the end, I think the record of communication here will end up speaking for itself,” Folks told The Daily Caller.
He told the local Fox affiliate that he’d just met with his lawyer and would release the material “soon.” More from one of his co-bloggers, who wonders why Haley hasn’t sued yet:
One reason for Team Haley’s reticence to call for the post’s removal or pursue a legal remedy against our founding editor could be that Nikki Haley and Will Folks both use Verizon Wireless for their personal cell phone service, and that any legal motion that’s filed would undoubtedly result in the publication of a flood of phone records, text messages, emails, voicemails and other data exchanges between the two protagonists in this unfolding drama…
All we can tell you for now is that the record of correspondence between the two of them began on November 20, 2005 – with an email sent at 8:33 a.m. from Haley’s State House email address … to Will Folks’ personal address … in which Haley complimented Folks on an article he had written praising her gubernatorial ambitions.
Maybe she hasn’t sued because … it’ll drag the story out even further, a lesson learned by celebrities vis-a-vis tabloids a thousand years ago? One mark in Folks’s favor, though: A South Carolina paper evidently was working on this story, and got at least one prominent pol to admit he’d heard the rumors before Folks ever came clean.
Former Sanford spokesman and FITSNews blogger Will Folks privately admitted a year ago to having a brief extramarital affair with GOP gubernatorial contender S.C. Rep. Nikki Haley, according to a Palmetto State Republican political operative…
Free Times has been investigating a story involving an alleged affair between Haley and Folks for several weeks and spoke with Folks about it May 14…
“There have been rumors about that,” said state Rep. Annette Young, a Dorchester County Republican, May 13. “I heard [it was Haley and] Will Folks.”…
Other House members have confirmed they’d heard about an alleged affair between Haley and Folks, but did not want their names to appear in this story.
“It’s not a secret,” said Columbia Democratic Rep. Todd Rutherford on May 13 while in the lobby of the legislative chambers. He added that other House members told him they’d heard such things, too.
Young claims she first heard the rumor about a year ago. Hmmmm. Here’s what I don’t get: If it’s all true and there’s documentation of it, why would Haley have denied it in the first place? It’s a classic case of the cover-up being worse than crime. All she would have had to do is say, “Yes, I made a mistake, but my husband and I are working through it.” Remember, she’s got Jenny Sanford in her corner for political cover and it’s a safe bet that the press wouldn’t have gone after a young mother for cheating the way they would a male candidate. If it turns out she lied, though — blatantly, with a paper trail to prove it — she’s in trouble. So why would she?
The right is still firmly in her corner at the moment, in any case. According to her spokesman, yesterday was her single biggest day of online fundraising ever (Red State is touting a money bomb for her as I write this in the name of “fighting the smears”) and she was way up in the last primary poll before this broke yesterday. Per PPP, it was Haley 39, McMaster 18, Barrett 16, Bauer 13 as of this weekend. What’ll it be tomorrow?
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SHOW YOUR TEXTINGS!
upinak on May 25, 2010 at 6:00 PM
sexty time!
blatantblue on May 25, 2010 at 6:01 PM
J’accuse!
Cough up the evidence, Will.
John the Libertarian on May 25, 2010 at 6:02 PM
This is the best HotAir can do? Speculation abut speculation about rumor?
DaydreamBeliever on May 25, 2010 at 6:02 PM
I think it’s a political hit job.
the_nile on May 25, 2010 at 6:03 PM
Ask Blumenthal in CT.
WashJeff on May 25, 2010 at 6:03 PM
Not only that, but push the gay agenda.
Inanemergencydial on May 25, 2010 at 6:03 PM
I’d ‘hit’ it…
Seven Percent Solution on May 25, 2010 at 6:03 PM
The “proof” will be akin to a certificate of live birth from Hawaii.
SouthernGent on May 25, 2010 at 6:05 PM
Yeah right. Then do it.
Mr. Joe on May 25, 2010 at 6:05 PM
Well the tea party nuts are on track to have a *stellar* slate of candidates. It was much easier being a Monday morning quarterback, wasn’t it folks?
Now, do the GOP a favor and start a third party. At this rate, a true tea party would end before it ever begins! Rand Paul (wacko), Tim D’Annunzio (missing 17 screws), and now Nikki Haley (liberal in the bedroom)?
Ha.Ha.Ha. The tea party = not ready to sit at the big kids table yet.
NoStoppingUs on May 25, 2010 at 6:05 PM
Dumbest scandal ever?
Red Cloud on May 25, 2010 at 6:06 PM
This will not end well.
portlandon on May 25, 2010 at 6:06 PM
As opposed to what? Pretending like nothing’s happening? The guy’s claiming corroborating evidence of an accusation that the leading GOP candidate in SC has denied. According to one newspaper, there are pols willing to go on record with their names to say that they heard these rumors long before Folks ever wrote anything on his website. Seems like a story readers might want to know about it, no?
Allahpundit on May 25, 2010 at 6:08 PM
Then the next step is proving that the texts weren’t doctored…
Conservative Voice on May 25, 2010 at 6:08 PM
Allah, since you included a picture of the Cuda in the post, I’d love to read about your thoughts on her new neighbor.
CTSherman on May 25, 2010 at 6:08 PM
Oh, and by the way, the “Free Times” is one of those hippy, liberal, bohemian, snotty rags that are published just for the humor they provide from their ultra-liberal slant. I wouldn’t believe anything I read in the “Free Times” about a conservative.
SouthernGent on May 25, 2010 at 6:08 PM
If she did, then she can just switch parties and the Dems will accept her like she’s headed for the upper party leadership.
How come this is news but Vera Baker and Barry was just immediately dismissed?
MMMMMMMM.
PappyD61 on May 25, 2010 at 6:08 PM
Yeah, the gay agenda, like repealing DADT. Which, according to the latest poll, is supported by 78 percent of the public.
Friendly reminder to our discontents: There’s no law requiring you to read the site. Even in Obama’s America, it’s safe to tune out.
Allahpundit on May 25, 2010 at 6:09 PM
Because this claim originated with one of the alleged participants. He’s staking something on the allegations. The Obama/Baker story is all third-hand rumor.
Allahpundit on May 25, 2010 at 6:10 PM
I’d be real interested in hearing from someone in the know about how easy/difficult it would be to falsify the evidence he is claiming to have.
Yea …..so how’s the view from the high chair?
oldfiveanddimer on May 25, 2010 at 6:10 PM
I’ll release them just as soon as I write them and update them….FOLKS is joke!
tim c on May 25, 2010 at 6:10 PM
If it’s OK for President Clinton, it’s OK with me.
faraway on May 25, 2010 at 6:11 PM
The truth will reveal itself.
terryannonline on May 25, 2010 at 6:11 PM
How about as opposed to facts and evidence? It’s still, according to your paragraph, speculation about speculation about rumor.
DaydreamBeliever on May 25, 2010 at 6:12 PM
If she comes out and admits the affair, will she return all the donations people have been sending her?
Outlander on May 25, 2010 at 6:12 PM
I’m not a top ‘puter geek. Even I know that everything he says is proof is easily capable of being forged/spoofed.
Unless he has router node logs, server logs, and the many other electronic devices that make up the internet, what he says he has would have trouble getting admitted as evidence in a custody case. I am not impressed.
And where was Andrea Sullivan when StudBoy says he was with this female?
platypus on May 25, 2010 at 6:12 PM
I don’t buy it. I’m still trying to understand how, exactly, he had been “placed in a position where he felt he had no choice but to address the rumors.”
What place would that be? Is his rent overdue, or what?
Anyway, if he ain’t got photos, it didn’t happen.
SlaveDog on May 25, 2010 at 6:12 PM
Thanks for reminding me to give some more money to Nikki’s campaign!
I don’t believe this loser’s story for a minute.
Jenny Sanford, the wife Gov. Mark Sanford cheated on, and Sarah Palin have got Haley’s back.
Go Nikki!
Jenfidel on May 25, 2010 at 6:13 PM
I hope that applies to Obama as well.
darwin on May 25, 2010 at 6:13 PM
If he ain’t got viral & pornographic You Tube vids, it didn’t happen!
LOL
Jenfidel on May 25, 2010 at 6:14 PM
I thought she was Republican? Guess I need to pay more attention the the SC race.
allrsn on May 25, 2010 at 6:14 PM
Exactly , a bit too contrived. “This is the last i will say about this, but i’ll show up tomorrow with more”
the_nile on May 25, 2010 at 6:14 PM
The evidence thus far is his testimony and the salient fact that elected politicians claim to have heard rumors about this last year, which suggests it’s not a sudden invention. He’s also promising more evidence to come and actually offered a few details in the post I quoted.
Allahpundit on May 25, 2010 at 6:15 PM
Is this the new marketing plan? I think the liberal magazines tried this.
faraway on May 25, 2010 at 6:16 PM
Not only that, but push the gay agenda.
Inanemergencydial on May 25, 2010 at 6:03 PM
Holy cow you are delusional
blatantblue on May 25, 2010 at 6:16 PM
Uh, one poll and you get warm? Come on, a guy who lives in NYC is made of sterner stuff regardless of all the beta snark.
And we really don’t want the discontenters to tune out. Then this would be the secular version of the choir section on Sunday. Trust me, that ain’t why we’re here.
We like the abuse. But don’t tell anybody – it’ll blow the mystique.
platypus on May 25, 2010 at 6:17 PM
Well, this gay agenda tie-in oughta make your head spin. Connect the dots… I can personally tell you that the “Free Times” newspaper is very gay-centric. I’ve had many copies in my hands after leaving some of the gay clubs in Columbia, SC. It’s a fun read, but not exactly what I would call a reputable publication for breaking political news.
However, if this story happens to be true, it’ll be interesting to see if Nikki gets more or less forgiveness from the public. PPP notes that David Vitter and Mark Sanford have pretty good levels of support after admitting affairs.
SouthernGent on May 25, 2010 at 6:18 PM
Caught two with that bit of snark. wow.
Inanemergencydial on May 25, 2010 at 6:18 PM
Who cares if she had an affair or not? If she did, maybe instead of conservatives throwing her under the bus like they did Sanford, they’ll take the road less traveled, stop being such a bunch of pearl-clutching, judgmental prudes and support her anyway. Too much to ask, I suppose.
Rae on May 25, 2010 at 6:18 PM
No need to fight. Just get ready to watch the media standards on this, versus lying about being in Vietnam.
None excuses anything but it is fun to observe the ‘standards’.
In this time, especially under the Obama standards, all one has to do is “I’m sorry and I apologize”.
For the left, and for the right, sorries and apologies mean absolutely nothing any more.
Play and dance, Rome, er America. Who’s business is it anyway?
Schadenfreude on May 25, 2010 at 6:19 PM
Allah, Will Folks pretends many of his posts are written by co-bloggers to make himself seem more important. It’s a stupid rhetorical device, kind of like O’Reilly saying, “Talking Points Memo believes …” and he’s been doing it for years. Don’t encourage him.
Jenn Q. Public on May 25, 2010 at 6:19 PM
They should, but if it’s true — and as I suggest in the post, there’s reason to think it isn’t — the fact that she lied will be damaging.
Allahpundit on May 25, 2010 at 6:19 PM
So was the Edwards/Hunter story.
xblade on May 25, 2010 at 6:19 PM
The French are indignant.
Schadenfreude on May 25, 2010 at 6:19 PM
So, I wonder which campaign promised Folks a position on staff if this turns out to be true?
portlandon on May 25, 2010 at 6:20 PM
Have you blogged this poll? because I am unable to believe that 78% number.
Jenfidel on May 25, 2010 at 6:20 PM
But if it turns out to be true (who knows at this point) that would also make her a liar. Do we really want a Governor that’s a cheater and a liar?
terryannonline on May 25, 2010 at 6:20 PM
Folks please google Will Folks. I’m having a hard time believeing that this happened.
Dire Straits on May 25, 2010 at 6:20 PM
The truth shall set you free.
El_Terrible on May 25, 2010 at 6:20 PM
Allah desperately hoping and praying that this is correct so that he can somehow turn her stunning climb in the polls after Palin’s endorsement into a negative somehow.
Keep on choking that chicken allah.
ROFL, he is still trying to figure out why Carly is advancing in the polls. look over there is that a kitten?
unseen on May 25, 2010 at 6:21 PM
In all his life, how come he never had a girlfriend?
Not related to this thread, but a curious thought…
Schadenfreude on May 25, 2010 at 6:21 PM
Anything negative about Palin and Gay, Allahpundit is all over it.
WoosterOh on May 25, 2010 at 6:21 PM
Ugh. Do you really believe that Allahpundit spends his days plotting Palin’s demise?
terryannonline on May 25, 2010 at 6:22 PM
warning to fellow conservatives, do not do not I repeat do not trust any politician, verify everything…Do not become right wing zombies and give your salute because Palin, or whoever gave their endorsement.
Are you prepared Haley being an exceptional good liar? Stand up for principles and values…
I hope Haley is telling the truth, because she will taint a lot of energy and overall trust if she is lying, and it will all be a waste. Don’t get me wrong, if she is innocent, then we should defend her and assume innocent until proven guilty…but don’t I plead, don’t place blind faith in anyone.
Conservative Voice on May 25, 2010 at 6:22 PM
Mitt Romney endorsed Nikki Haley as well.
portlandon on May 25, 2010 at 6:22 PM
It seems the running score so far between scumbag journalists and politicians accused of an affair is:
politicians accused of an affair: 0
scumbag journalists: too many to count
pedestrian on May 25, 2010 at 6:22 PM
So politicians hearing rumors is evidence? Do you know how many rumors I have heard in my career about prominent politicians having affairs? I could start my own blog if that’s all the “evidence” you need. Such rumors almost come with the territory nowadays, especially if you are young and attractive.
Having been the victim of many such rumors in my career, I am more than skeptical about this and I know excatly zero about Nikki Haley. I do know that one of the laziest and easiest charges to throw around about any prominent woman who might be seen occasionally with a man she is not married to is that the two must be having an affair.
Very disappointing to see this posted here.
rockmom on May 25, 2010 at 6:23 PM
Wow! You invented cynical, didn’t you?
platypus on May 25, 2010 at 6:23 PM
He also pets his cats and plays with the Ipad. /
portlandon on May 25, 2010 at 6:23 PM
Dude, if she wins 50 percent of the vote… she avoids a runoff… :P
ninjapirate on May 25, 2010 at 6:23 PM
I don’t really care if she had an affair, as long as she is repentant and honest. To lie about it means she can lie about screwing anyone.
Conservative Voice on May 25, 2010 at 6:23 PM
Ahh, AP won’t marry you, in spite of repeating what he writes :(
Schadenfreude on May 25, 2010 at 6:24 PM
Alright. Who paid you to ask me that? huh? WHO?????
portlandon on May 25, 2010 at 6:24 PM
Please pardon a naive and possibly foolish question: Is it possible that Mr. Folks is trying to damage Sarah Palin indirectly by embarrassing Ms Haley in this fashion?
Mary in LA on May 25, 2010 at 6:24 PM
It’s important to note that Mitt Romney still supports her…
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20005938-503544.html
ninjapirate on May 25, 2010 at 6:24 PM
Here you go. And since I know the first words you’ll say are, “It’s a CNN poll!”, you can review prior polls from a variety of sources here.
Allahpundit on May 25, 2010 at 6:25 PM
Same guy?
Inanemergencydial on May 25, 2010 at 6:25 PM
Her husband should call Michelle Obama for advice. The shark knows a thing or two about such political ‘inconveniences’.
Schadenfreude on May 25, 2010 at 6:25 PM
Their are many rumors about the sex lives of South Carolina politicians. Rumors about Lindsay Graham and Andre Bauer being gay continue………….but, no one has produced any hard evidence. Frankly I don’t care if they are gay or if Haley had an inappropriate physical relationship with this man. Let her work it out with her husband, if it did happen.
SC.Charlie on May 25, 2010 at 6:26 PM
Did they have a working relationship?
How hard is it to alter her e-mails to make them saucy?
He’s pretty ugly and she’s quite attractive so it’s very unlikely to be true, and the way he has leaked it makes it even more dubious.
Ted Torgerson on May 25, 2010 at 6:26 PM
It’s supposedly “evidence” according to Allahpundit.
The rest of us would call it sleaze and leave it at that.
Norwegian on May 25, 2010 at 6:27 PM
It’s very simple. You create a rumor and then you spread it and encourage others to report on it. When people ask you about it, you say, “Yes, I’ve heard rumors about that. It’s not a secret.”
ramrocks on May 25, 2010 at 6:27 PM
Don’t worry about it – I’m double-crossing her.
platypus on May 25, 2010 at 6:27 PM
The funniest thing about this thread is that if this were a liberal, the holier-than-thous w/b all over them and delegate her, lover, et all to he*l.
Schadenfreude on May 25, 2010 at 6:27 PM
AP said:
There was the option of leaving it in Headlines. IMO, so far the amount of evidence presented to support this allegation- zero, other than the claim of a guy who is clearly trying to hurt her- doesn’t justify the amount of attention it is receiving.
Jon0815 on May 25, 2010 at 6:28 PM
Thank you.
I’m seeing it, but I’m still not believing it.
It’s push-polling of the worst kind.
Jenfidel on May 25, 2010 at 6:28 PM
Mitt Romney endorsed Nikki Haley as well.
portlandon on May 25, 2010 at 6:22 PM
Yeap it helped her cement her fouth place standing at the time.
unseen on May 25, 2010 at 6:29 PM
Regarding the ease with which he could forge his “evidence”. It would be difficult, unless he has someone on the inside at Verizon. He’d have to have the messages time stamped and linked to her phone, which would not be easy from the outside. As well, the emails would need to be spoofed in a way that the trail led back to her address, and the logs for the servers modified to reflect that trail. And the supposed voice mails would have to be run through some filters in order to clean up any cut-n’-paste action he would be performing on various audio segments he wanted to use.
This is all assuming he’s lying his ass off. If he’s got some legit evidence, then the means by which they’d be proven would be through the various server logs mentioned above. Having such proof would be a home run for him. If Verizon doesn’t keep data back that far, then it would ultimately come down to “he said, she said”. Which brings us back to where we are now.
Impossible to forge? No. Practical? Not at all. Expensive? Definitely.
nukemhill on May 25, 2010 at 6:29 PM
Ok, let me see if I understand this guys “logic”.
1) He told the story himself because he heard someone else might tell it, and wanted to get it out there. Knowing it makes her look bad, but doesn’t really affect him much.
2) He also didn’t want it to “drag on for weeks”… because of the damage it might do her.
3) Now he’s doing daily news updates to keep this story in the spotlight for as long as possible… hunh?
Does anyone else notice that #3 seems to directly contradict the motives he gave himself for #1 and #2; and that they were pretty stupid to begin with?
Hey, this guy might tell my friend’s wife he and I were out drinking last night instead of bowling like we said… I should tell her first and get my buddy in trouble before I see if this guy’s really going to say anything… because I’m that nice.
Really? Does anyone think that’s the rational move of a deep thinker who is your friend and has your best interests in mind? And when he keeps bringing it up every time you & your wife see him after that… does anyone think this is even the act of a friend?
When everything you’re doing seems to be working to smear someone you’re claiming is your friend I can assume one of several options.
1) They’re not you’re friend, and you’ve decided to dish the dirt you have on them. Definitely possible.
2) You’re generally a jerk to your “friends” and tend to attack them on occasion, because either you’re an ass, or you think it’s “funny”.
3) You’re far too stupid to realize what anything means, and that does make your information questionable.
4) You’re deranged and there’s no telling what mix of medications might get you back to some semblance of reality.
Mix and match from those options and pick your approved choice of who this guy is and why he’s doing this.
I know “Noble, honest, heroic truth-teller who really likes this candidate” didn’t make my list; which was this guy’s initial claim. That wasn’t by accident. “Super-genius capable of splitting atoms with his mind and using his psychic powers to fly” didn’t make the list either.
gekkobear on May 25, 2010 at 6:29 PM
What I find odd is the Folks’ co-blogger never describes the email and texts as saucy or anything of the sort.
terryannonline on May 25, 2010 at 6:29 PM
All I can say is that Will must have big feet.
Dire Straits on May 25, 2010 at 6:30 PM
If he can’t produce the e-mails or gets caught lying, rest assured, I’ll post on it. I’m not accusing anyone of anything here; in fact, I gave you a reason in the post to think she’s telling the truth. Lying about it simply makes no sense.
Allahpundit on May 25, 2010 at 6:30 PM
Apparently, it was Gresham Barrett according to Will Folks. Barrett denies eventhough his campaign.
The Garnet Spy says:
Barrett has been endorsed by Lindsey Graham for what that’s worth to ya.
SouthernGent on May 25, 2010 at 6:30 PM
I have a feeling someone is going to offer to eat their hat soon? no?
ted c on May 25, 2010 at 6:31 PM
I have seen his basement lair in his mom’s house. Pictures of Palin everywhere on the walls, scratched over with red crayon, marked “evil”.
faraway on May 25, 2010 at 6:31 PM
Well, someone is lying. We’ll just have to wait and find out who. It doesn’t make sense for him to make this up nor for her to deny it if it’s true. But this is usually how these things play out.
scalleywag on May 25, 2010 at 6:33 PM
Will he release those documents “soon”, as in Barack Obama will hold a press conference “soon”?
GarandFan on May 25, 2010 at 6:33 PM
Has this question occurred to anyone else: How do you prove an affair took place with emails alone?
(Ex: What if it was a running joke between them to pretend they were having an affair in emails?)
To prove this, you need photos, videos,hotel room clerks as witnesses, stained sheets (Ewww!) and DNA testing, etc.
Jenfidel on May 25, 2010 at 6:33 PM
LOL! Are the Palin pictures next to the brown paper bag he wears when he leaves the apartment?
terryannonline on May 25, 2010 at 6:33 PM
I think you have a wee bit of a contradiction there. I appreciate that your arguing a third-hand rumor is “evidence” when it’s backed by the participants own story, on the other hand it’s still a third hand rumor and thus may be evidence of nothing more than blogger-boy has been telling this tale for a while now and other people have already heard his story.
I think you would be on firmer ground if you just stuck to the principal that hearsay evidence is not admissable in a court of law or on Hot Air and left it that.
PackerBronco on May 25, 2010 at 6:33 PM
If it’s pessimistic in nature and written on the 2nd shift, yeah….
joejm65 on May 25, 2010 at 6:34 PM
Conservative Voice on May 25, 2010 at 6:22 PM
I agree never trust a politican nor place alot of faith in them. I support Gov Palin but I know sooner or latter she will let us down somehow somewhere. with politicans its always trying to get the most good out of them before they go bad. It is just the nature of power.
However, that being said this story is just too sterotypical for me to have much faith in it. the timing is too clear cut and the reasons for it to leak now are just too in your face.
It would take a willing suspension of disbelief to think even if true the story was not a major political hit piece.
I really don’t like that type of politics and will support the victim of those politics most time.
If the people can not beat her on policy and tiopics dragging her love life into the campaign is not a classy thing to do.
unseen on May 25, 2010 at 6:34 PM
Will Folks sounds like a class act./
Disturb the Universe on May 25, 2010 at 6:34 PM
That’s what I was trying to say but flipped over. Unless all of those things are present, the end result cannot be known for sure. Without them, true or not, she gets to legitimately claim (or silently imply) that he made it all up.
Unless they agree to forego all of the pieces.
It’s like that old George Bernard Shaw comment about prostitutes and prices. If you’re haggling about price, you’ve already identified what you are.
platypus on May 25, 2010 at 6:34 PM
Very nice find SouthernGent. Hey Allah, maybe you could update this story with this big nugget of information?
portlandon on May 25, 2010 at 6:35 PM
Allah, how sad. “78 percent of the public supports allowing openly gay people to serve in the military” is the question asked in the poll.
I’m surprised it’s not 100%. That question has nothing to do with DADT, however.
faraway on May 25, 2010 at 6:35 PM
AP, everyone lies about sex. It’s the most lied-upon subject (take that either way) in life.
PackerBronco on May 25, 2010 at 6:35 PM
Dont forget the Rainbow posters he also has on his walls, He also posterized Richard Simmons.
WoosterOh on May 25, 2010 at 6:36 PM
Well hell, let’s let the public decide the age limits and minimum test score requirements for military service, too. Who gives a crap what a bunch of anonymous civilians think about ANY military policy? I don’t. The military is not supposed to be a venue for social experimentation.
CantCureStupid on May 25, 2010 at 6:37 PM
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